« BACK  |  PRINT

RS

MEMBER DIARY

Ground Zero Mosque And Koran Burning – Both Bad Ideas (Major Update)

By: BigGator5 (Diary)  |  September 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Update: Honestly people, this is not about the Obama Administration’s headlong rush into the stupid (however that can be for another article for another day). This is about condemning both without prejudice or hyperbole. If you support the Ground Zero Mosque or Koran Burning for any reason, please take it out of this blog. You can write your own.

This is an open letter to the people building the Ground Zero Mosque and those who are taking part in the Koran Burning here in Florida. If you are not part of either, then this is not directed at you.

Honestly people, what are you thinking? You think one washes the other?

The Cordoba House in New York is a victory mosque, nothing else. The Koran Burning is an ignorant reaction to both Islam and said mosque. If you think otherwise, then you have been smoking the wacky weed. Both are protected by law, but both is equally dumb, ignorant, and unwise.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s past statements and refusal to even listen to critism, makes him as ignorant as Obama when he walked ran headlong into this debate. The more we learn of this place and of the Imam, the less we like. The fact most people in New York don’t like this mosque, defeats its stated purpose of being an outreach center (althrough we know full well it is not an outreach center).

Now, I don’t have any good feelings toward Islam. That said, real freedom loving people don’t burn books. Dictators like Hitler burn books (yes, I just invoked Godwin’s Law). Freedom loving people, we read books to become educated. If we are to defeat Radical Islam, we must come to understand Radical Islam and we can only do that through the Koran. I mean, what if I held a Bible Burning? You guys wouldn’t like it very much, would you?

Both are dumb and unwise. I hope someone is able to stop both from happening and talk some sense into you people.

[Cross-Posted On Practical State.com]

BigGator5.net

Tags: , ,
Get Alerts

COMMENTS

POSTING RULES  |  LOGIN TO COMMENT  |  REGISTER TODAY
  • rws197

    to go out and protest this ridiculous Koran burning thing. Film it… post it all over Youtube. Political chess

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      1. You’re wrong on the politics

      2. You’re dumb to pretend the TEA party is some top down thing.

      • rws197

        I’m not pretending anything of the sort, but thank you for the mature informative response. Appreciate it.

        • BigGator5

          I try to ignore Neil “The Hyperbole” Stevens, rws197. I suggest you try and do the same.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Are you trying to get other people banned like you were?

          • BigGator5

            No, I’m trying to keep people from getting banned. Getting in a debate with you is pointless.

          • rws197

            just simply wow.

          • BigGator5

            Email me dude, I’ll try to explain just what happen there.

          • Common_Cents

            What burns me is the very same organizations and people that criticize and sensationalize the burning of a religious book will support a slap in the face mosque to be built out of “freedom.”

            It’s either both be supported or none of them. Not selective BS that I am so tired of.

            Don’t hold your breath for any of the faux freedom groups of the left “fighting for the freedom of speech rights” of those in FL burning religious books.

            Not building the mosque there is the right thing to do. Not burning religious books is the right thing to do. Regardless of legality.

            For some reason, it seems the more laws and lawyers we have the less common sense we have. I think I’m gonna cut a lawyer off in traffic tomorrow ;)

    • BigGator5

      Honestly, I would love to do that. However I am too far away. It’s a question of gas money, really.

  • MojoMan

    A number of people on the left have been hurling antagonistic slurs against those people who do not share their support of the building the ground zero mosque. To justify their steadfast support, these people explain that the organizers of the proposed mosque have the constitutional right to build it and should be defended based on that right alone.

    I am not completely sold on the sincerity of that presentation, because if these people were sincere, surely they would be supporting the burning of these Korans on the same grounds. Both of these projects are similar in that the people involved are knowingly and intentionally pushing ahead even though what they are doing is highly offensive to others. It is my sense that both groups should voluntarily refrain from these proposed projects, not because they do not have the right – they do have the right – but because these actions in both cases are callously antagonistic and unnecessarily provocative.

    In both cases, these activities are being conducted by groups in the name of certain religions that they claim to be affiliated with. However, the stubborn selfishness of these people’s actions in these two particular incidents does not appear to be very religious at all. And truth be told, it is really not – in either case.

    So, where are all of the people who supported the building of this mosque because it was the organizer’s right to do so – regardless of the circumstances or consequences – now that this “church” is under similar pressure to suspend its rights in the consideration of others? Do these people balk at supporting Christians the same way they support Muslims? Is that because of bigotry? Or is it a partisan political thing? Either way, the silence is deafening.

  • bk

    It’s only a TINY fraction of the American people who are participating. (Less than 0.0001% – 30 vs >300M.) The rest of us could be called “moderate” Americans and practitioners of a “system of peace”.

    It would be totally unfair to practice “community punishment” by killing innocent moderate Americans using this Koran-burning as an excuse, kind of like how Israelis are not supposed to accidentally kill any “civilians” when responding to rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip.

    • JSobieski

      nt

  • The_Rebel

    What irks me, though, is that General Caldwell, commander of the NATO Training Mission in Afghanistan, has said “it’s their Holy Book, so when somebody says that they’re going to destroy that and cause a desecration to something that’s very sacred to them, it’s already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern amongst the people,” Hello….has he heard about the mosque at Ground Zero?

    The Muslims in New York have a 1st Amendment right to build a Mosque at Ground Zero, even if it will offend a majority of Americans if they do so. General Caldwell has stated that the people in Florida have a 1st Amendment right to burn the Koran, but that they should let their sensitivities to the Muslims overrule that right.

    I might be inclined to agree with General Caldwell if he would also state that the mosque should not be built at Ground Zero. After all, his troops are the ones fighting against the perpetrators of 9/11, and the ones fighting for those who lost their lives to scum that would never consider the “sensitivities” of their victims.

    • nessa

      The terrorists, AQ members, Taliban etc in Afghanistan who stir up public resentment in hopes of causing riots and violent unrest do. If the Taliban, working through their Imam supporters and co-conspirators can get a large protest outside one of the American FOBs then push things till shots are fired and someone is killed they have won a weighty victory. Months of developing trust between the Americans and the local Afghans is destroyed, all the things we are trying to accomplish are set back and require months or years of effort just to reach the place they were before the incident. Hundreds of people are pushed into the arms of the Taliban seeking vengeance, working against our efforts.

      He’s got to worry first about his Area of Operations.

      • The_Rebel

        General Caldwell stepped into it politically when he waded into the discussion of 1st amendment rights and sensitivities. I’m not saying he’s wrong, just that let’s stop with the politcal correctness.

        PC has already killed enough soldiers in Afghanistan. IED’s set off by signals from cellphones, yet Karzai asks Petraeus not to bomb the cell phone towers. We comply.

        Under the rules of engagement in this war, soldiers are being denied artillery and air support for fear of killing civilians, and the Taliban is exploiting that. Mosques with women and children as shields are off limits. These crazy rules of engagement are meant to appease the media rather than win over the people.

        To quote Bill Roggio from earlier this year:

        “There seems to be a clear double standard at work in the US military’s information operations; it is apparently perfectly okay, even requisite, to mention the enemy’s religion when we are apologizing for some slight or error, but it is almost always verboten when reporting on the enemy’s actions against us in the name of that religion.

        There is something wrong when the US military has time to issue a press release on the destruction of Korans in Afghanistan (we don’t even know who destroyed the Korans, based on the release, but rest assured the US military will be accused of doing it), but in an 86-page report on last fall’s murder of 13 soldiers at Fort Hood, it cannot mention the shooter’s name or note that the attack was carried out by a Muslim terrorist who was inspired by a radical Islamist preacher linked to al Qaeda and based in Yemen.”

        Enough said.

      • JSobieski

        almost as much as the burning of the Koran.

        Anything we do that is not pro-them will be used against us, and the things we do that are pro-them will be taken as a sign of our weakness.

        Frankly, we need to just not care what the Arab street thinks. If that makes the wars impossible to fight, we should get the hell out.

        Our troops should not fight over there to make us less free over here.

        • bk
  • mar1n3r

    is exactly the conflict that Osama bin Laden wanted to foment.

    Why is everyone on the right going along with it so easily?

    Since Timothy McVeigh was Catholic, would we have protested the building of a Catholic Church near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing? Of course not–because for one thing McVeigh didn’t speak for all Catholics, and for another, we support freedom of religion.

    The Cordoba Institute has been sponsoring interfaith initiatives for years. There are already two mosques within the same distance of Ground Zero as the proposed one, along with strip clubs. The National Council of Churches (100,000 churches) supports the mosque on religious tolerance grounds. Most Europeans who founded the U.S. came here to escape religious persecution at home–why do we turn from our history?

    On 9/11, “they” were a group of Saudi (nor Iraqi) Wahhabi believers who opposed US military bases placed near sacred Muslim sites. “They” were not the majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide.

    Yes, Islam has issues. I believe the biggest one is that they lack the American tradition of speaking out in church individually, combined with democratic discussion (as we are having here). Muslims are trained to follow their religious leaders’ political beliefs (much as Christians did for most of the history of Christianity). They need to find a new moderate tradition that fits better with Western multicultural values.

    Mar1n3r

    • cwilson

      We don’t accept primogenature in this country. Just because his parents were Catholics, he isn’t unless he chose to be one. He chose athiesm.

      You libs ALWAYS do this: OK City is your go-to example of “christian terrorism” — even though it isn’t. And WHY is it necessary for you to invent this smear?

      Because unless you lie, you can’t actually FIND an example.

      Secondly, the fact that this terrorist-supporting radical imam (who the media have annointed as a “moderate”) named his initiative after Cordoba tells me all I need to know about the GZM. Do you really think it was an accident his initiative was named after the capital of Al-Andalus, and a rallying cry of the irredendist advocates of Dar Al Islam?

      • Nick Haynes

        Should we allow Catholics to build a church near a playground? Just askin’.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Just bannin’.

          • ywhyvon1

            Must have been a sleeper cell.

    • JSobieski

      Us could just as easily be interpretted to mean everyone but violent jihadists (including peaceful Muslims) and Them could be interpretted to mean violent jihadists.

      FYI, the poll data I have seen suggests that the tiny minority aint so tiny.

  • Mary Beth

    I agree. When I think book burning, my first thought is of the Nazis.

    I like Palin’s angle here:

    People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation ? much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

    She and we aren?t questioning or challenging the right for people to behave badly. Only the wisdom of it.