Reid, Murray, Boxer, Schumer, and Gillibrand


Cross posted on Upstate Political Report

Would I have been happy if any or all of the first three had been defeated on Tuesday?  Of course.  Obviously the last two were totally out of reach with them being Democrats from New York.  If Jimmy McMillan with his useless platform (which accomplished precisely what it was designed for….to launch his entertainment career) had been the Democrat nominee for either US Senate seat in New York, he’d have won by a million vote margin too.

But is it really that bad that all five of these extreme leftists managed to be reelected?  Not at all.  Actually, let me correct myself.  The first four are leftists and the last is a rubber stamp for leftist #4.  The rubber stamp was independent during her days as a Congresswoman and is now mostly a puppet.

So why is it not so bad?  Boxer (CA) and Schumer (NY) are utterly obnoxious.  Reid (NV) might be less obnoxious than either of these two, but he still has his own level of obnoxiousness.  Being the Senate Majority Leader, he has high visibility.  Murray (WA) is fairly quiet but definitely extreme, and has high seniority within the Senate.  Gillibrand is quiet too, because she generally just votes with Schumer.  In that sense, he may as well be speaking for both of them.

So why do we not mind obnoxious and extremist types in the Senate?  With the exception of Reid, these come from states that consistently elect these types.  So, it’s a given that the Senate is going to have someone like Boxer from California or Schumer from New York.  Washington is also fairly liberal too.  The bulk of Democrats in the Senate are holdovers from the 2006 and 2008 elections.

Both Barack AND Michelle Obama campaigned for Harry Reid.  Barack Obama campaigned for Patty Murray and Barbara Boxer as well.  He’s associated with them.  They’re his problem.  Obama is up for reelection in 2012 (unless enough people “convince” Hillary to change her mind about not running in 2012).  Any attempts to seem more centrist or reasonable as we get closer to the election can easily be matched with statements from the likes of Reid, Boxer, and Murray, who personally don’t have to worry about another election for six years.  Boxer, after beating back a challenge from Fiorina where the polls occasionally put Fiorina ahead, may come out with another entertaining gaffe like “Call me Senator; I worked hard for that title.”  In reality, she happened to be a Democrat and get nominated for US Senator from California.  It’s California.  So, whenever Barbara “Call me Senator” Boxer wants to be reelected, she will be.  Maybe she had to “work hard” to push her way through other Democrats to get the nod way back in 1992.  But after that, Boxer will continue to retain her job for as long as she wants it.  Afterall, she has a “D” after her name.

Defeat would have meant that these people would step into history and eventually be forgotten.  But now they will continue to be in the spotlight.  Further, had Angle and O’Donnell been elected, they could have been lightning rods for Obama to play against in his reelection campaign.  (Note: I did not include Coons in my title only because he is not an incumbent.  But Obama campaigned for him too and I’m sure he will provide gaffes with which Obama can be associated.)

But let’s shift focus to the US Senate for the moment.  In 2012, there are several Democrat Senators from centrist or right-leaning states (or states which just elected a Republican governor and/or Senator) who will be up for reelection including:

- Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
- Bill Nelson (Florida)
- Ben Nelson (Nebraska)
- Bob Casey, Jr. (Pennsylvania)
- Jim Webb (Virginia)
- Debbie Stabenow (Michigan)
- Jon Tester (Montana)
- Sherrod Brown (Ohio)
- Kent Conrad (North Dakota)
- Joe Manchin (West Virginia)
- Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)

Barring new scandals, Republicans have potential liabilities in the following:
- Scott Brown (Massachusetts) — likely will flip since it’s Massachusetts
- Olympia Snowe (Maine)
- John Ensign (Nevada)

The eleven Democrats can be tied to Obama and Reid.  Just a few turnovers among them, even if Massachusetts and Maine are lost, could amount to narrow Republican control of the Senate.  I’d suggest that Ben Nelson, Jon Tester, Sherrod Brown, Kent Conrad, Jim Webb, and possibly Claire McCaskill and Bob Casey, are ripe for defeat under current circumstances.  Should Republicans keep their current seats, lose Massachusetts and Maine, and flip six of these Democrat held seats, they get narrow control of the Senate.  Obviously if they keep Maine, they only need to flip five.

Reid, Boxer, Schumer, and other obnoxious Democrat Senators like Kerry, Durbin and Harkin, could be useful in this effort.  They (especially Reid as Majority Leader) can be tied to these vulnerable Senators.  If Al Franken wants to be loud too, that would make it even more fun.  And if Coons mixes things up a bit, even better.  In fact, even one of the presumed “safe” Democrat seats up in 2012 could flip.

The eleven named Democrats will need to be more centrist and some would even need to be “fake conservative” to meet the leanings of their states.  They will not be able to just march in lock step with the likes of Reid, Boxer, and Schumer, all of whom won reelection and don’t have to worry about another election for six years.  None of these eleven want to be the next Russ Feingold (WI).  And if they start to see the handwriting on the wall, they could be the next Byron Dorgan, meaning that the Democrat running in their place would likely face defeat.

But if the obnoxious colleagues of these eleven were not enough, then there is Obama.  He’s not popular in most of the states represented by these eleven Senators.  His name will more than likely be on the ballot in 2012….along with these Senators.  He could be problematic for down ballot candidates.  2012 could indeed be another year of “change we can believe in.”


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Unless the Tea Party

froster (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

tries a to primary Olympia Snowe, she’ll win in a landslide.

Republican from California.

 

Brown

mboyle1988 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:50PM EDT (link)

is the most popular politician in Massachusetts. Same with Snowe in Maine. If we are smart and DO NOT PRIMARY THEM, we will win those seats. I’d rather have an Olympia Snowe than a Ben Nelson any day of the week, let alone Olympia Snowe vs. (shudder) Senator Chellie Pingree…

 

DiFi in 2012

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:57PM EDT (link)

DiFi (Dianne Fenstein) is up in 2012, however because of her age, 77 now, there is talk about her not running again. If the seat is open, I’m not sure who the Leftist will run, but the R side will be interesting to watch.

I do expect the Girlyman Governator to run, and I would not be shocked to see Tom McClintock throw his hat in the ring over on this side of the ring.

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Jerry Brown or Gavin Newsome?

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:07PM EDT (link)

I would opt for Newsome because of Brown’s age. Or how about your illustrious mayor of LA??

With respect to Arnie, isn’t he about the most hated guy in CA? I haven’t paid a whole lot of attention, but I’d think right now at least that he’d get creamed. And where have I heard that name McClintock before? Oh yeah…

Change

Good call on Mayor V

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

His bimbo eruption has had enough time passed that he could run.

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Tony Villar?

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:18PM EDT (link)

mbecker

Tony Villar (aka Viragosa) is pretty damaged goods due to some of his personal life scandals along with bad press about his taking all sorts of free tickets to sporting and other events that keep surfacing. But I do expect someone from the large Hispanic side of the CA Democratic party to run.

Newsome, maybe but he will be only in the Lt. Governor’s job for a short time which is a pretty useless job as proven by Cruze Bustimante.

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Since when does a bimbo eruption and free tickets

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:26PM EDT (link)

disqualify a liberal Democrat? I’m actually shocked that you’d even think that.

Good point on the LtGov’s job, but from what little I’ve seen Newsome is a whole lot more attractive candidate (no pun intended) than Cruz. He’d certainly mobilize the loafer community in the two red parts of CA.

With respect to AV, I have the distinct impression based on nothing more than gut instinct (oh yeah, I still have to take my Prilosec today) that he’s making a huger mess out of LA. Any truth in that and even if so, would it hurt him running against what will likely be a retread/loser Republican candidate?

Change

Long knives and all that

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

mbecker

Tony V’s womanizing and his free ticket scandals would not effect him in the general, but in the D primary his opponents will beat him over the head with that stuff.

The Democrat side will come down to the two major racial groups in CA, African Americans and Hispanics demanding that their guy/gal and their group deserves the seat. Not clear to me who will win that battle but if I had to bet now I would think that the growing Hispanic vote block will win out.

Over on the R side, well Governator Girlyman is damaged goods right now, RINOs like me hate him, and the base hates him. It’s not at all clear who else will run from the R side, and Tom McClintock being a CongressCritter now sort of makes it harder for him to run.

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You can't win just because a state has a Rep gov.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

Note the results in Nevada where Rory Reid got murdered in the Gov’s race by the same voters who sent his dad back to DC.

You’ve got to have a candidate who’s know by and respected by the voters. You’ve got to have a core organization of Conservatives in the state who can organize behind and raise money for the candidate.

I can guarantee you that the politicians in DC all learned a real lesson from this election cycle. One, even if you think you’re “entitled” don’t act like it. Two, never take an opponent for granted.

If you look at the incumbents who lost in Republican Primaries (and we’ll throw in Coakley for good measure), they lost because of their sense of entitlement and – except for Coakley – they pretty much lost to lightweights. Both Angle and O’Donnell snuck in late in the cycle with a big infusion of TP money and media attention. They both turned out to be pathetic candidates and got crushed in the general. Joe Miller won in AK for the same reason, now we have to see how that works out in the hand count.

Contrast that to incumbents who took primary challenges seriously, like John McCain. I honestly think McCain could have stayed in DC from Jan 1 to primary night and voted by mail and still beat JD by ten. But he didn’t take JD for granted and crushed him. That’s a lesson that won’t be lost on incumbents. The great contrast out west was Bob Bennett in UT. I can guarantee you that Hatch will have learned his lesson.

We got by easy this time around. It won’t happen next time.

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I suspect that by 2016, we'll be able to move some Tea Partiers into the Senate

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 4:44PM EDT (link)

Essentially, let them be congress critters for four years and then it’s time for a few of them to make that jump to the Senate both in primaries against the GOP and in runs against the Dems.

Jeb Bush should run for Senate from Florida in 2012.

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Senator Bush

hoosierdoug Monday, November 8th at 12:36PM EDT (link)

Senator Bush has a very nice ring to it.