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Who’s Going To Pay the US National Debt?

As I write, the public debt (sometimes called the national debt) of the US stands at $6.3 trillion, roughly 40% of GDP. (You’ve heard many people say that the debt is actually about $10.6 trillion, but that’s fictional, as I explain below.)

As we know, the question of who will pay off the debt is an interesting and urgent one. Especially now that, through a combination of fiscal stimulus, existing entitlements, declining tax revenues, and new programs like universal healthcare and a “green” economy, the public debt is going to skyrocket in each year of the coming administration.

It seems more likely than not that we’ll be adding between one and two trillion dollars in new debt to the outstanding total in each of the next four years. It took President Bush eight years to add $3 trillion to the public debt. Obama will probably add twice as much debt, in only half as much time.

And as I’ll explain, it’s good and likely that we’ll be adding large amounts of new debt in the years after the next four, as well.

First let me explain the difference between “gross debt” and public debt. The gross debt of the United States government includes the Social Security trust fund. Social Security is usually described as a “pay-as-you-go” program. In fact, however, it collects more money through the payroll tax than it pays out in benefits. The remainder is spent by Congress on other stuff, in effect understating the federal budget deficit by the amount that Social Security is overfunded in each year.

The difference is also accounted for with special debt securities that the Treasury writes to itself. This is the “trust fund.” These debt securities don’t actually represent an enforceable claim on public assets (other than in the public imagination, which believes that real money is being stored somewhere, in order to pay Social Security benefits in the future). That’s why it doesn’t mean much to include the trust fund in our analysis of the public debt.

Subtracting the trust fund from the $10.6 trillion “gross” national debt leaves a public debt of $6.3 trillion. This is the amount of debt that the United States owes (and must someday pay) to actual people and institutions like investment funds and foreign central banks.

Now take a look at why we have to deficit-spend in the first place. If you add up the amount that Americans consume and invest, and subtract the amount that we save, you get a number that is correlated with GDP. And it also correlates with the material well-being that Americans experience. The amount by which the desired actual amount of consumption and investment exceeds the productivity of the economy is a structural deficit, which can only be filled by importing capital and/or goods from surplus countries. In times of recession, when the economy is producing goods and services below its capacity, the actual gap is even higher.

The government adds its own demand to the mix, in the form of stimulus, and spending for entitlements, earmarks, and war. That increases the amount of deficit we have to make up every year. And this adds ever more to the public debt, because we have to borrow it from somewhere.

Until 2008, government indebtedness would grow more or less every year, but private indebtedness was also growing at a very fast rate. This was possible because the private sector could (anomalously) borrow lots of money at relatively low interest rates. That borrowing ended abruptly with the appearance of the credit crunch.

Government, which (perhaps also anomalously) can still borrow at exceptionally low rates of interest, naturally has been forced to pick up the slack. The only alternative to this would have been a sharp and very noticeable falloff in personal consumption, considerably exceeding the recession that actually materialized. Hence, the explosive rise in the public debt.

Obama is taking this burning fire and pouring gasoline on it by proposing to deficit-spend literally trillions of dollars, in the hope of masking the reduction in consumption that has manifested as a recession. Let’s say he gets away with deficit-spending about three trillion extra dollars over the next two years, and that the economy then recovers. (It won’t, but forget about that.)

From that stimulus alone, we’ll have increased our public debt from about 40% of GDP to about 60%. (That measure is relevant for the same reason that your bank asks you how much you make, when deciding how big a mortgage payment you can afford.)

But that’s not the end of the deficit spending in the out years! The structural deficit, which we would be responsible for even with an economy running at full strength, includes the commitments we’ve already made to fund retirement and medical benefits for the baby boomers, and whatever else Obama can ram through Congress. (Notably, universal healthcare and subsidies for the wind and solar-powered automobiles that he promised today in his inaugural address.)

We can’t raise taxes to make up the deficit shortfall. Even if it were politically palatable, it wouldn’t be economically possible. You simply can’t displace that much consumption from consumers to the government’s priorities without causing an unacceptable decline in living standards.

We could make up some of the gap by radically increasing the productivity of the US economy. This could be done quite effectively by cutting marginal tax rates on capital, business income and exports. Which will never happen as long as Democrats hold power in Washington.

And we can’t cut government spending. As long as Democrats hold power in Washington, entitlements and discretionary spending will rise rapidly, rather than fall.

That means we’re going to be borrowing trillions of dollars, possibly every year, for a very long time to come. Where’s that going to come from?

It’s going to come from the surplus countries, those that produce more goods, services, and/or commodities than they need to meet domestic demand. (The key surplus countries today include China, Japan, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, and the oil-exporting countries in the Middle East. South Korea recently slipped into deficit. Russia’s status is unclear, given the decline in the oil price.)

The standard argument is that, as the dimensions of the federal deficit become clear, global investors will push up long-term interest rates, collapse the value of the dollar, and stop buying our debt.

Forget about the fact that this argument has been made for 25 years and has never been correct. Going forward, there are important reasons why foreign investors will continue to buy our long-term debt, support the value of the dollar, and fund our deficits.

And that’s simply because the surplus countries to date have shown little inclination or ability to increase demand in their own economies. There’s little reason to think that will change. They face a continuing need to import our demand. Over time, there is an opportunity for one or more of those countries to make structural changes and take over economic global leadership, but again, there’s no evidence that any of them are so inclined.

We’re going to need to engineer a grand symbiosis in the global economy, requiring careful (and probably secret) diplomacy, to keep the existing pattern of international capital flows going. Even though that pattern represents a large, growing, and ultimately unsustainable imbalance.

Much as the US needed to incur a public debt level approaching 100% of GDP in order to fund World War II, we will now need to do the same thing to fund the retirement of the baby-boom generation. Extending the debt to well beyond 100% of GDP is unprecedented and hard to speculate about. (Japan is running a public debt of 300% of GDP, but as a surplus country, relatively little of this debt is owed to non-Japanese investors.)

It took about 15 years (during a time of extraordinary economic growth) to get the debt from World War II down to a manageable level. It took the British Empire much of the nineteenth century to work down the debt from the Napoleonic Wars.

This is a plausible strategy. It sounds weird, and it will require an extraordinary amount of international cooperation, but it can be done.

I know that integrated global governance is one of the grand dreams of the American Left, which Obama now leads. But you probably didn’t realize that it can be accomplished without a public debate.

COMMENTS

  • cwilson

    are these oh-so-helpful foreign governments going to want in exchange for their “help”? Submitting our constitutional freedoms to the tender mercies of the UN and the ICC? Submit all economic and fiscal decisions to the WTO and Kyoto2? Look the other way when China assimilates Taiwan? Tell nuclear Iran, or jihadi-overthrown Pakistan (and their proxies) “Thank you sir may I have another” each time we lose another city? Hogtie our military?

    Is there any way out of this trap at all — even if the Presidency and/or the Legislature were in Republican hands? (Obviously, many of the above are catnip for Liberals, tho conservatives view them as extremely deleterious) And the $64,000 question: what would it take for Nancy, Harry, and Barack to even WANT a way out of this trap, and would they be willing to take it?

    • StandardCandle

      it’s just changing color…

      I think the question after “…want in exchange for their ‘help’?” is Will the American public give them what they want? Can the pride of Americans succumb to handing over fiscal sovereignty? Will there be a faction of patriots that revolt against the willful surrender of the constitution?

      the answer to these exciting questions lies in history…

      I suppose we can stop the cycle, or even accelerate it…

      God bless anyone that opposed these stimulus packages by vote in congress.

      • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

        It won’t be long before Social Security isn’t a net winner anymore. It will be a net loser. In other words, instead of subsidizing the rest of the federal budget, social security will need a subsidy. At that point the OP’s analysis goes out the window.

        Bottom line problem is that we have an unfunded mandate for $54 trillion worth of social security and medicare/medicaid payments to currently working adults that will come due during the next 30-40 years. Where is that money going to come from? Our GDP cannot grow fast enough to make up for it at the current rates of growth.

        • mikefisk

          …first one would be to raise the retirement age to 70, although I somehow doubt that’ll ever take off. While political suicide, that would settle a lot of things for both Social Security and Medicare.

          • Francis Cianfrocca

            The question is: what kind of tax reform will go along with it? And here, the Republicans will be able to affect the outcome, because it can’t pass without us.

          • JSobieski

            the result in 90% left, and 10% right.

            See No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug Benefit, etc.

          • IJB

            …Because it always strikes me as an underhanded way of moving the goal posts on people.

            The most obvious answer to me for SS (besides privatizing, or eliminating, it) is to *means test* it.

            The idea, more than any other, scares the Dickens out of the Dems (because then it’s no longer an “entitlement”, but “welfare”/safety net). But that would be the best (first) solution to the SS problem.

        • Francis Cianfrocca

          It’s just one part of the puzzle. And I definitely didn’t ignore that the payroll tax will soon (perhaps in 2016) no longer be larger than SSN outlays. That doesn’t change the analysis at all.

          I’m not really looking out 40 years. I know about that David Walker projection with $54 or $57 trillion. That’s almost meaningless to me.

          I am thinking hard about the next 10 years, though. 40 years is enough time for China or someone else to transition to a demand-driven economy, and also for us to make some fundamental changes too.

          10 years probably isn’t enough time. And if we borrow as much as it looks like we have to, we’ll be at national debt of 100% of GDP long before then. And then we have some problems.

          • skorrent1

            You should perhaps be posting as “Cassandra”.

            A few years ago we could afford to be concerned about the “long haul’ (40 to 75 years). Nowadays, we need to concentrate on the short term (4 to 8 years). Eight years is more than enough time to turn the SS fund negative if the economy is poking along. Raising the SS cap would likely damage the recovery more than it would benefit the SS fund.

            Welcome to “Stagflation, Part II”.

  • bk

    “And we can?t cut government spending. As long as Democrats hold power in Washington, entitlements and discretionary spending will rise rapidly, rather than fall.”

    It doesn’t seem that disease is limited to Democrats, though maybe it differs in degree – rise rapidly vs rise not quite as rapidly.

    Given the crushing debt we’re under, perhaps it can be handled like in the past where people like Bono plead for rich countries to forgive debt to poor ones. What? You don’t think China et al would forgive some of our debt like we’ve done with African or Latin American countries so many times?

    How are things looking with money we’re pissing away on bailouts? Maybe that’s just a drop in the bucket compared to entitlements and such, but a trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you’re talking about real money. This article says we’re a few days late on the latest loan to GM and so they’re about ready to shut the doors, and that it will be that way for another couple months. Meanwhile car sales are still in the toilet. I believe in one of your earlier articles you said GM’s promises included obviously overly rosy assumptions about sales. How long before we give up on ever getting these loans back that we’re using borrowed money for? Oh wait, first we’ll have add several billion more in loans after the 1st quarter no doubt to save the UAW.

  • MelZ

    Very educational.

    Obama keeps talking about sacrifice…I guess we will have to sacrifice for generations to come.

    All I want to know is where is my check? He has been in office a day now…when is he going to start spreading that wealth?

  • woodsman

    This answered my comments to your diary yesterday.

    As it appears now, our only avenue of escape from debtors prison is to cut a back-room deal with surplus countries. If the Left insists on raising taxes (their usual logic) then at some point in the future they send the tax paying population into a lower standard of living.

    To prevent that public perception, they then have to resort to what you have described, which would be in line with how they think I believe.

    If the general public ever got wind of substantially higher taxes the revolt would be more vocal than the recent immigration bill that was almost foisted upon us.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Inflation, There will be huge (by our standards) inflation in the coming years. Look for the democrats to quietly pass a “reform” changing how we figure the COLA.

    • http://www.blog.politicalcastaway.com hythloday

      Great article. I doubt anyone in Washington can apply this type of analysis much less understand it. Consequently, they will either raise taxes or have to print more money for these expenditures. Raising taxes, will be the first inclination, but when that actually ends up decreasing revenues, they will resort to printing money as Kyle8 hit on – inflation. Maybe not of the hyper-type but certainly high enough to damage the economy and high as most who do not remember the 1970s and early 1980s.

  • Jonah Shumate

    When Obama kept talking about in the debates how the national debt was skyrocketing to levels that future generations were going to have to pay off. How terrible George Bush was doing (never mind my thoughts about his utter disrespect for not calling him President Bush) and how he had messed things up so bad.

    That is seared in my brain. But as Francis points out, Obama is now talking about doing things that will make it even worse. I can not stop shaking my head at President Obama and his utter about face on so many issues. Ones that he called out (Former President) George Bush on and somehow evoked such hate and fear in people that he is now our President. And, how you now have people like the “best” of Hollywood pledging to do more for their country because of your “commitment” to our country.

    You, sir, will make it much worse if all this plays out. And who will all those people have to blame for this? Themselves.

    • Steve W

      I have personal experience with those with a victim mentality. Jonah, you said (speaking of Pres. Obama and those that support him):

      You, sir, will make it much worse if all this plays out. And who will all those people have to blame for this? Themselves.

      I will predict here-and-now – a victim will NEVER admit to blame for ANYTHING as long as there is some other living, breathing person on the planet. It may not make sense, but it will ALWAYS be someone else’s fault – even if it’s a (as yet currently undisclosed or discovered) right-wing conspiracy!

      Whether there plan works (which this OP clearly depicts won’t as regards the economy), or does not – it will ALWAYS be the rights fault!

      • bk

        when the Dems, after having total control for two years, want to blame the since forgotten George Bush for how bad things are.

      • janis

        he got hooked on watching all those “Judge Fill in the Blank” shows on TV. While working around the house, I couldn’t help but watch as well from time to time and the recurrent theme was this: I wasn’t wrong, I was victimized. If I owed someone money, it was really a “gift” from them to me. If I broke something they loaned me, it was their fault for loaning it to me in the first place. If I’m someone’s idiot child, then it’s my parent’s fault for not doing a better job raising me.

        At the end of the day, way, way too many people are already of the opinion that nothing is EVER their fault. Thank you moral equivalency, liberal stupidity, class action lawyers and the National Education Association.

        • Praying

          Thanks to our “fine” government schools. I got my kids into private schools, but not quite soon enough – it’s hard to break them of that “it’s not my fault” trap. Actions have consequences. Get used to it! Too many parents bail their kids out and never make them face the music, and then wonder why they never grow up! Well, that plus the kids see their teachers, elected officials, president, etc. all doing the same thing – kinda hard to make an object lesson, eh?

  • bk

    Saw this article cited at the Corner today. We now for the first time have more people working for the government than we do working in mfg and construction. And I sure wouldn’t expect the number of govt employees to shrink in the Obama administration. Our exports can’t rise much if we’re not producing any products. (There’d still be things like agriculture and services I suppose.)

  • redherkey

    I just figured we were going to default on our debt. Hey, it’s what Europe did to the US after WW-I and countless Latin American nations have done in recent years. So what if we can’t pay China back several trillion? We were doing them a favor by borrowing from them to buy their TVs and other junk, keeping all their people employed.

    Seriously, if it’s good enough for the sub-prime homeowners to default and walk away from it, why limit it there? Or better yet, let’s go to the UN and demand we redistribute wealth from India, China and all OPEC nations to the US since we can’t possibly repay all of this. We’re suffering financial hardship. Let them repay our loans. It’s good enough for the Obama voter to not pay taxes and have the minority do it for them, so let’s have the fat-cat OPEC and southeast Asian nations pay our debts for us too.

    This redistribution stuff seriously kicks butt.

    • janis

      the asking price for us defaulting and getting away with it would be something along the line of us giving up our military, all overseas bases, hand over nukes, etc.

      We have way too many valuable assets to default.

      • Achance

        brass and lead. We probably could default and get away with it as long as we were willing to kill some people in the process After we did it, we’d have to rule solely by military might in perpetuity because somebody would always be looking for revenge.

        • janis

          And as far as I can tell, the global landscape is pretty well littered with all kinds of groups who’d love to kill us regardless of what we’ve done/not done. So, let’s default away and take out who we have to if there’s any complaining. Might as well use our weapons while we still have them, before the Lightworker disables our nukes and turns our troops into mincing UN workers.

          And Achance? Don’t you dare leave this country, you stay right here and see if you can help us take back this land. What if your daughter ever produces grandchildren? You want them growing up in the Socialist States of America? So you stay here and you fight, dammit!

          • Achance

            getting away from American taxes and inflation, just don’t know if I can pull it off.

            My bio daughter probably voted for Obama; she’s lost to the Seattle milieu. I don’t talk politics with her anymore, don’t talk to her much any more. My step daughter has given us two grandsons. Their family are your basic Alaska rednecks that make Todd and Sarah Palin look suave and debonaire. So, if bad things happen, they’ll probably go down in the rubble. Me; I’ve served my time and just want to live out my days in some comfort somewhere.

          • janis

            info on where you can go to get away from the tax thing. Although with Russia behaving as they are, I might want to avoid the eastern European countries. But I’m assuming that you would choose some warmer climes for your great escape anyway. Where on this blessed earth can you go to escape either the long arm of either encroaching socialism or radical Islam?

  • streetwise

    Francis, I guess it’s an encouraging scenario where the surplus countries by our debt.

    But somehow I doubt they will pay the going coupon for long-term Treasuries: <3%

    I hope an astute Treasury Dept issues as much of the stuff now as possible.

    • izoneguy

      black, white, brown or red….
      Might as well just be dead.

  • jdshandsomeson

    It is up to gainfully employed, law abiding, patriotic Americans to pay more so that others won’t have to do without. I suggest that all such paying Americans apply for more overtime and find a second or third job so as to be better positioned to exhibit their patriotism. It is their burden to comfort the least among us. To complain about this responsibility shows callous disregard for the poor and is inconsistent with the new era of sacrifice being ushered in by Obama

    Further, the Clintons, the Gores, and the Kennedys must not be disappointed as they soar above us in private jets. Their important work – meeting heads of state in exotic locales – must not be impeded having to remind us to walk to work, turn off our central air, and forage the earth for nuts and berries. Their eyes and ears must not be offended by our petty requests for relief.

    • Achance

      Maybe it is time for Atlas to shrug. I’m seriously thinking of leaving the US because I don’t want to go through what my ex-in laws went through in the ’70s and early-80s as inflation ate their retirement savings. I don’t quite yet know what looks attractive, but I’m looking.

      They at least had a house that saved them from destitution, but even those of us who’ve pretty much done it right have lost much, even most, of the value of our houses in the last year. Now this President manque is going to destroy our retirement savings with inflation.

      • Praying

        just hope those rumors of the gov’t taking over your 401K are false.

      • izoneguy

        I haved stopped taking a paycheck in protest to Obama.
        That means I will pay no taxes. I think I can go 6 months
        before my wife kills me.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Those of us around in the early 1980,s seem to remember these statistics (estimated from memory);
    - Unemployment between 8% and 10%
    - Inflation in the 16% range
    - Between negative .5 and .8 GDP
    - FFR was what, like 12%?
    - Gross tax receipts, per capita were much lower

    Nobody called it the Great Depression II or the end of the world. Nobody even thought of proposing government spending in the trillions as a solution.

    I also worked on an M&A team during the heady days of the RTC. I don’t seem to recall anyone suggesting we the people buy Citi, et al to end the crisis.

    The difference today? People are indifferent to the whims of a Presidential amateur and his band of Congressional idiots. They are also intellectually lazy and believe they are immune to the consequences: that is until it is too late and their children pay the price.