General Motors Hurtles Toward Bankruptcy


The big headline yesterday was that GM CEO Rick Wagoner is being dismissed in favor of Fritz Henderson. This isn’t remarkable in itself, because no one expected him to last, despite having the oft-expressed (in public, anyway) full confidence of GM’s board .

Today, the President of the United States is expected to make significant announcements about GM’s warranty policy. No, that’s not a typo, and yes, it’s remarkable. I didn’t say the President of General Motors, I said of the United States.

Since when does an urban agitator and small-time legislator with a law degree think he can run an enterprise with 100,000 employees, thousands of vendors, millions of customers, and operations in every part of the world? Well, that’s one of those questions you’ll just have to ask the people who voted for him last November. I can shed some light on the rest of this.

And there’s another really remarkable aspect here, which speaks either to tremendous political skill or luck among the Democrats: they kept the whole thing out of the news for the last three months.

All signs are now pointing to a significant bankruptcy event at GM, and the departure of Wagoner is the first sign of that. Why? Because for months now, he’s been the one guy saying consistently that GM can not file any kind of a bankruptcy.

There are two reasons why not. First, the public ones. Wagoner has always insisted that GM’s customers would abandon a bankrupt automaker for fear of not getting their warranties honored.

How interesting and convenient it is then, that the new CEO of General Motors, a certain Barack Obama acting ex officio, will announce today in public the formation of a government-sponsored entity, independent of GM and non-defeasible in a bankruptcy, to guarantee performance on GM’s warranties! That’s your other sign that a bankruptcy filing is imminent.

But there is another really important reason why GM has resisted bankruptcy tooth and nail. No one will lend them the money to operate in bankruptcy.

Last summer, the first warnings on GM were sounding as they started running low on cash. They haven’t turned a profit in several years, and the burn rate as of last summer was about a billion dollars a month. That would have had them out of cash by sometime in late 2009.

But then, the bottom fell out of the auto market, beginning in October. Since then, every automaker in the world has felt the pinch of sharply-reduced demand for new cars and trucks. In some months, GM’s sales dropped by no less than half. This is the top line, mind you, not the bottom line! It’s quite incredible, and would be an enormous challenge to even a healthy business.

But GM wasn’t healthy. The out-of-cash event that was originally projected for next fall, instead came at the end of last December. You can go back and read the long series of posts I wrote at RedState for the blow-by-blow.

If a company can possibly operate in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they’ll arrange bank financing and work out their issues under court protection from their creditors. But there are two problems: first, you may have noticed we’re in a credit crunch. You couldn’t get a banker to lend you money even to buy Treasury bonds these days. And second, everyone knows GM can’t survive, and has known that for years, so even under normal credit conditions, no one would lend to GM.

So a bankruptcy filing would quickly degenerate from Chapter 11 (restructuring) to Chapter 7 (total liquidation, and the immediate loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, and a cascade of bankruptcies among GM’s dealers and suppliers).

That might indeed have been the picture last January, had the Treasury not stepped in with a wad of cash from the TARP, which was then supplemented several weeks later.

We all knew the moment of reckoning would come right about now. It matches the amount of bailout cash that GM has received, at their current burn rate of about $5 billion a month.

The wonder is that it’s been kept out of the news so effectively. The rolling flaps over the banking crisis and AIG have provided useful cover for the Democrats, as they’ve beavered away at a plan for nationalizing GM.

But the TARP and all the banking assistance programs (except for AIG) have been about providing support for the capital positions of banks. The public dollars committed in support of those entities have been going onto bank balance sheets. The public has been buying stock in those banks, and you expect to get your money back out when you buy stock.

But the public money given to GM and Chrysler LLC has simply been poured down a rat hole. These companies are bleeding cash, and in a just world they would have failed months ago. Instead, public money is getting fed into them, just like pint after pint of precious blood dumped into a guy who’s hemorrhaging from a dozen bullet holes.

That’s the situation that GM’s new CEO, Barack Obama, is going to perpetuate, as I told you many times last December.

GM are facing bankruptcy because they’re insolvent. They’re built for a high cash-flow world, not a world in which sales contract by anywhere between a third and a half (year-on-year) month after month. GM, like Obama himself, have been pinning their hopes on the kind of economic recovery that will see total annual sales volume in North America shoot back up toward its high-water mark of around 17 million units.

Reality is a lot closer to 9 or 10 million. That’s enough to sustain the number of world-class automakers we have, but GM simply can’t be one of them with its current capital and cost structure.

GM needs a total restructuring of its operations. By rights, every stakeholder in the room should take a lot of pain, and then the company should figure out how to move forward in a world in which the competition is a lot hungrier, the markets are a lot smaller, and access to capital is far more constrained. But that’s a great challenge for American business people, who are still by far the best in the world.

But that’s not going to happen, because some stakeholders are more equal than others.

The common shareholders of GM are going to get wiped out. That’s good, they should. The bondholders are going to get converted to equity at 30 cents on the dollar. That’s good, they should.

Many of GM’s dealers will receive lavish buyouts as an inducement to close their doors, for a total cost in the billions of dollars. That’s disgusting, but it’s required both by GM’s contracts with them and by the welter of state laws that protect the dealers. (If you want to know who the political power brokers are in any given city or town, look for the car dealers.)

This is going to be kept scrupulously out of the news, because car dealers contribute huge sums to every last man and woman in Congress and the Senate. The public was ready to torch the private residences of AIG executives, but they won’t make a peep about paying billions of their own hard-earned dollars to provide a cushy retirement for thousands of already-rich auto dealers.

And then there’s the UAW. They are in fact the beginning and the end of the government’s interest in General Motors. They will come out of this as the big winners. Never mind that the average automaker earns half again as much in wages and benefits as the average American. UAW boss Ron Gettelfinger, with CEO Obama at his side, will announce “deep, painful concessions” to be suffered by the union membership.

But don’t believe a word of it. The union will come out of this nearly untouched, with their exorbitant compensation packages basically intact, and minor changes in work and seniority rules. And you the taxpayers will be paying for every penny of this, because they won’t be earning all that pay in the market. GM in bankruptcy will force every one of its stakeholders to take major pain except the UAW membership.

And their ex officio CEO, Barack Obama, will start forcing them to focus on non-economic electric cars. You see how conveniently that worked out? A more circumspect President would have recognized that it’s not good for government to be in the auto business. We’re going to replay a lot of bad history lessons that other countries learned long ago.

Oh yes, I almost forgot about Chrysler LLC. I can summarize their situation in two words: shark bait.

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I've always wanted to own a car company!

Crowe Monday, March 30th at 7:00AM EDT (link)

And now President Obama has helped me realize my dream! Yes We Can!

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

 

my God

CharlesFXD Monday, March 30th at 7:16AM EDT (link)

what has America done?

 

As GM goes, so goes the nation.

Vladimir Monday, March 30th at 7:37AM EDT (link)

Straight into the sh*#er. With our Dear Leader at the helm.

Scary.

There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer

seems to me

Streiff Monday, March 30th at 8:54AM EDT (link)

that if we keep it in operation, we’re sort of swirling down the tubes also.

Unfortunately, the more the White House screws around with this to protect the UAW the worse and more protracted the outcome will be.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

General Electric Motors introduces the Lada II!

Vladimir Monday, March 30th at 9:17AM EDT (link)

Welcome to central planning & government control of the means of production.

Future headline: “USA Automotive Directorate and UAW Jointly Celebrate Spirit of Economic Cooperation And Achievement of the Glorious Five Year Plan! 10,000,000th Tesla Lada II Sold!”

All Hail Marx and Lennon!

There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer

Irony Alert

Skanderbeg Monday, March 30th at 9:28AM EDT (link)

Vlad, the irony is that these days, Lada actually produces some very nice cars - I’ve seen them in Ukraine and Russia.

Further irony - same situation with Dacia (Romania).

 

could be worse

Streiff Monday, March 30th at 9:31AM EDT (link)

it could be a Trabant

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Trabant Gone - Lada, Dacia Make Good Cars

Skanderbeg Monday, March 30th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

Well, that’s of course funny. But Trabant is gone.

But Lada (despite its own financial problems) and Dacia (see below) make very decent cars these days, and they are very popular. If GM becomes “Government Motors” there will be plenty of competition against the junk that will be produced….

can your Lada do this?

Streiff Monday, March 30th at 9:59AM EDT (link)

or this?

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Doesn't matter

Skanderbeg Monday, March 30th at 10:34AM EDT (link)

Doesn’t matter. It’s no longer 1989 - it’s 2009.

Back in November, I was at a dinner that featured John Stossel as the speaker - and he did the same old boring line that “if you let government design a car, you get a Trabant.” (He then held up a picture of an old Trabant.)

My reaction was, “Yeah, we know that. But the Trabant disappeared 20 years ago. Why don’t you investigate what Lada and Dacia and such are doing NOW? They make good cars, and are competitive in the marketplace.”

So my advice is to forgotten the old-time fun and games with the junk that was made 20 years ago, and instead ponder the changes in the international automotive marketplace that have occurred more recently. Lada and Dacia can play ball in the marketplaces where they play - were that we could say the same for GM.

Yeah, but I bet the new Camaro gets killed :(

Dave_in_Fla Monday, March 30th at 11:33AM EDT (link)

At least the Challenger made it into production before the White House Automotive Design Office got started.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

 
 
 

"Government Motors"

Finrod Monday, March 30th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

I like it. Good renaming.


Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.

"Presidential Motors" works, too

Francis Cianfrocca Monday, March 30th at 10:36AM EDT (link)

PMS

Skanderbeg Monday, March 30th at 11:01AM EDT (link)

How about “Presidential Motor Systems”??

 
 
 

There's a car in the first picture?

JoeG Monday, March 30th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Sleek, High-Performance Machines

Skanderbeg Monday, March 30th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

Yeah, that pic was a bonus photo.

It features not one but THREE sleek, high-performance machines….

;)

 

The ruskies do make some good models...

6eorge Jetson Monday, March 30th at 2:07PM EDT (link)

the problem is that they wear out too soon in the old Soviet motherland.


Hold off on that Mammogram for 10 years

 
 
 

Or a Moskvich

Lammo Monday, March 30th at 12:30PM EDT (link)

Tried to post a picture. Darned computer wouldn’t let me. When we were in Moscow and Tyumen, Siberia, in 2003 our dirviers had a Volkswagen van and a Mitsubishi sedan, respectively. In Moscow I saw far more Mercedes, BMWs, Audis, Opels and even Fords than Ladas or Moskviches (except for the marked police cars which were mostly Ladas).

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Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)

Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)

 
 
 
 
 

Great write up (nt)

mbauer Monday, March 30th at 7:41AM EDT (link)

Those great business minds

wayneinnh Monday, March 30th at 7:42AM EDT (link)

that brought us Fannie, Freddie, social (in)security, and the welfare state are now going to run a car company. This is what happens when there is no adult supervision.

Can we drive this country into the ground? Yes We Can!

Thoughts From a Fallen World

Jon 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.

 

As a car salesman

greiner Monday, March 30th at 7:43AM EDT (link)

I have already had people who have been Chevy buyers their whole adult lives want to bail out of their GM’s because GM was getting a bail out. This will kill them.

“I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm’s way.”
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

Mark Greiner, I have an important question for you

Francis Cianfrocca Monday, March 30th at 10:45AM EDT (link)

For many months, Wagoner (and others) have been warning that any kind of bankruptcy filing would be death for GM, because of customer reluctance to make a financed major purchase from a bankrupt company. There are also the concerns about warranty support, replacement parts and resale value.

The standard counterarguments are that people buy tickets from bankrupt airlines, spare parts come from third parties, and warranties can be supported by third parties if necessary.

You’re a dealer, you’re answering these questions every day. Is Wagoner overdramatizing this?

No

greiner Monday, March 30th at 2:15PM EDT (link)

As a salesman for Toyota we almost never get an argument about the big 3’s less than steller record for dependability over the past 10 years compared to us or Honda People are concerened over the fact they are going to be making a large purchase on cheap car. They feel the car is being cheapend in order for them to pay all of their bills.
Also the residules on the Chevys have been takeing a nose dive.
But much of the reason I feel we are scooping up more of the market of the buyers who are out there isn’t just the fact that we may build a better car. But it is the “Chevy” or “Dodge” man mad at the fact they are asking for a bail out and the Toyotas and the Hondas are not (contrary to reports that Toyota and Honda asked for them the the “Automotive News” magazine published in the March 9,2009 weekly edition on page 46 that the Japanese goverment has been known to urge sound companies to take public money so shaky ones don’t look so bad).
Almost every one of them to a person blame the U.A.W.

“I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm’s way.”
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

 
 
 

Given the lemming mentality of the Obamabots

bk Monday, March 30th at 7:46AM EDT (link)

Perhaps GM should announce that on April 15th they will offer special new “Obama” limited edition models of all their vehicles. They could sell several million of them immediately no doubt.

Yeah, using government backed NINJA car loans!

Achance Monday, March 30th at 8:23AM EDT (link)

New GM electrics for all the ACORN Census and voter registration “volunteers” maybe?

In Vino Veritas

 
 

OK, I told you so.

mbecker908 Monday, March 30th at 7:55AM EDT (link)

And that’s not directed at you, Francis.

The bumbling Bush Administration should have - in November/December when GM was going to weld their doors shut before Christmas - taken the good ole boys into a room and put the wood to them. Bottom line: no management bonuses, pay cuts across the board with executive caps on base and exempt pay cuts and the UAW agrees to a contract renegotiation that drops wages 30% across the board, wipes out their “job centers” that pay nearly full wages for sitting around, moves health care costs for current employees to a more reasonable split and deals somehow with retirees.

In return the automakers get Federal financing to stay in business with benchmarks.

We’d be $20B or so better off right now ( I know, chump change) and the UAW would be on the way to being less of a threat to the world economy.

And, OT but while I’m “telling you so” the problems in the housing/finance sector aren’t anywhere near over. The announcement hit the WSJ this morning that 7.5% of FHA loans are currently in foreclosure, 90 days past due or in BK. And the Option ARMs are going to really start imploding in another couple of months. Real estate values in Southern CA still have a long way to drop and prices won’t be rebounding any time soon in AZ, NV, CA or FL. MLS listings are pushing all time highs and banks are holding on to undisclosed numbers in their REO inventories that could approach at least 50% of the numbers currently listed. That also doesn’t take into account the number of people who would love to sell but are way upside down.

Geez, I should probably wake up HappyBunny and have him comment on this comment.

Have a happy Monday.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Guess I was too optimistic

Achance Monday, March 30th at 8:28AM EDT (link)

when I predicted they’d just use “card check” to unionize the transplants then take the legacy H&W over as the basis for a new national H&W and retirement scheme. We’re really going to have a national car company run by a communist-style workers committee. I never thought I’d live to see the day; I always assumed I’d die in the thermonuclear rubble before the US would allow the communists to win. Instead the mental defectives opened the gates and let them in.

In Vino Veritas

Art, I've thought your comments about a coup were hyperbole

civil_truth Monday, March 30th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

…or at least permature.

But this GM take-over is the canary in the mind that we do have a coup in process. And the administration (with the willful blindiness of the press) is not only completely misdirecting their work here in creating a puppet worker’s collective out of what was once the U.S.’s largest corporation, they’re setting themselves as saviors of these companies and heroes who will apply this models next to banks and then energy companies.

And more and more, Obama is revealing that he views himself as the embodiment of our nation.

What is even worse is that the Republican leadership refuses to identify what’s going on - not even as nationalization. If the Republicans won’t find a term to define what’s going on, then the coup proceeds unimpeded.

This very well may mark our nation’s crossing of the event horizon.

I'm not prescient, civil_truth,

Achance Monday, March 30th at 9:59AM EDT (link)

I’m just one of the relatively few people on our side of the ditch who’s dealt with communist trained organizer types for a living. Mostly, they haunt really Blue places where everybody is just like them. I just happen to live in about the only remaining Red state that is heavily unionized, so when AFSCME came here, I quickly realized that I needed to know Saul Alinsky better than I knew labor relations practice.

In Vino Veritas

 

Not that it matters much, but....

USNJIMRET Monday, March 30th at 10:08AM EDT (link)

I believe that the “event horizon”, as you aptly describe it, was passed some time ago.
November 4, 2008 comes to mind, but even that is likely not accurate.
Perhaps when then the practically unknown junior Senator from Illinois published his “Blueprint for Change” back before the Iowa caucuses?
Honestly, I don’t know exactly when the horizon was passed, suffice is to say that it is in the rear view mirror.
And no one, from The One, who is probably chaffing a bit a the =>lack<= of progress, to the grossly misnamed Republican ‘leadership’ in Congress, seems much interested in even defining the issue(s), much less calling this “ism” whatever ism fills the bill.
As so many have said before, “We are sooooo screwed!”

 
 
 
 

So, how long before The One declares that NOT buying a GM product is unAmerican?? NT

USNJIMRET Monday, March 30th at 8:10AM EDT (link)

He'd never say that, but

The_Gadfly Monday, March 30th at 1:17PM EDT (link)

I wouldn’t put it past him to say it was racist.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

 
 

..thaaanks

greiner Monday, March 30th at 8:11AM EDT (link)

….can’t wait to go out there now….

“I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm’s way.”
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

 

What's the OCED

djemi Monday, March 30th at 8:18AM EDT (link)

ROME–The global economic crisis will hit jobs hard, with unemployment set to reach double digits in many developing and advanced countries, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD: undefined, undefined, undefined%) said on Sunday.

“By the end of 2010 the unemployment rate could be approaching double digit figures in all G8 countries with the sole exception of Japan, as well as in the OECD area as a whole,” the OECD forecast in a background paper to G8 labor and employment ministers gathering in Rome

here:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/oecd-double-digit-unemployment-looms/

“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
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10M/year will never happen again for GM...

Taniwha Monday, March 30th at 8:22AM EDT (link)

…in any case. No matter how much of our money Zero gives them to keep them nominally in business, there will always be too many red-blooded Americans who will never buy anything they sell again, out of simple taxpayer resentment. In a tough market, you just don’t p off half the public like that. Who’s going to want to pay good money for a car that they already paid to have built, and then some, with their taxes? “C’mon, you already paid for it twice — one more time, and we’ll actually give it to you!!” Nice sales pitch, isn’t it?

It reminds me of pop musicians that throw out harebrained political comments every chance they get. Sure: they have the same right to say what they want as anyone… But when your whole job description is being as popular as possible to the greatest number of people, isn’t throwing away at least half the potential audience for the sake of some cheap venting, well, stoopid?

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When asked some political questions...

larryp Monday, March 30th at 9:16AM EDT (link)

Michael Jordan is reported to have said that, he’d keep his opinions to himself as both Rebulicans and Democrats buy shoes-his shoes!
Really smart man…

There, see?

Taniwha Monday, March 30th at 12:34PM EDT (link)

That’s what I’m talking about. It shouldn’t TAKE a “really smart man”. Even movie stars used to be able to manage it a few decades ago. It’s not rocket science, just a simple matter of knowing what side of your bread is buttered. But none of them do anymore.

Trouble is, these days they don’t think they’re just movie stars. They think they’re (oh, brother… ) “thought leaders”.

Oh, they may be… in Hollywood. But the rest of us think they’re turkeys. No wonder even Hollywood is in trouble.

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Taniwha, you strike me as the kind of individual who...

Francis Cianfrocca Monday, March 30th at 11:50AM EDT (link)

…rides a motorcycle to work. Correct?

;-)

Heh.

Taniwha Monday, March 30th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

Whenever upstate NY weather permits… maybe I should move to Arizona.

Do they have people out there?

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Obama's regime is the open season for NEPOTISM and CRONYISM.

Rod_Patrick Monday, March 30th at 8:38AM EDT (link)

Soon enough, another Obama-appointed CEO will rise from GM and the rest of the many industries bailed out by Obama’s Government.

Only a fool will expect something better out of this.

WAKE UP America!

 

Fun with checklists....

Aaron Gardner Monday, March 30th at 9:18AM EDT (link)

Populist rhetoric….check

Youth Brigade….check

Car Company….check

News Agency….check

Rich Scapegoat….check

I swear I have seen this before….I just can’t place it….;^)

Aaron’s Archive

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

And if you look at the list of Treasury officials..there is only one on there..

$peciallist Monday, March 30th at 10:18AM EDT (link)

Timma….

I'm beginning to think this is quite intentional

techsan Monday, March 30th at 11:32AM EDT (link)

Why spoil a good coup by having 18 other Treasury positions leaking facts or challenging Herr Leader. It’s awfully convenient to have one person with enormous power in Treasury rather than spread among others.

In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.

 
 

Im sure our industrialists think they can control Obama too.

Alberta Monday, March 30th at 11:25AM EDT (link)

nt

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

 
 

unions

RJD Monday, March 30th at 9:20AM EDT (link)

so, how do we break the unions? seems like that should be at the top or near the top of the list.

Break the unions?

Achance Monday, March 30th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Remember, they’re sitting around thinking about how to break us; and right now, they’re winning.

In Vino Veritas

 

Break the unions?

erp Monday, March 30th at 10:27AM EDT (link)

This whole exercise is to save the unions, not save GM or any other car company.

erp

 
 

Bankruptcy...

david farrar Monday, March 30th at 9:28AM EDT (link)

…is where GM should have been since day one. I will never forgive our Republican President for keeping them out of bankruptcy, or the bankers for that matter. It was Pres. Bush who started us down the road to socialism,

How ironic, if it is Pres. Obama who finally comes to his senses and does the free-market, capitalist thing, allow failing companies to go into bankruptcy after a few billion dollars down the drain.

ex animo
davidfarrar

 

Where does this leave Ford?

JoeG Monday, March 30th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

I would think that in sane times, this would be the opportunity to bust unions. Alas, that’s not where we are…

There will be an uptick in total auto sales at some point if you look at the replacement rate. Right now we are at 17 years to replace the current US fleet of autos. But I doubt we’ll see a return to the previous levels any time soon. The big three all have to be gearing up to be making half the cars they used to. Anything short of that is foolish.

Re: Ford

drealoth Monday, March 30th at 1:15PM EDT (link)

I think that Ford is only a breath away from the same fate as The General. Ford’s strategy was to just outrun General Motors (something about not having to outrun a bear), which was working until the government donated some of their spare money printing machines to Rabid Rick. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that they’re doomed, but they will certainly have to be careful.

In General Motor’s case though, it’s not the union that’s be all and end all to their problems. GM’s engineers still cannot match the Japanese in quality, GM’s management has left the company with a line of boring cars that nobody really wants to drive. That the guy who turns the bolts to attach a door to the car gets paid too much and works too slowly is really a small problem in the grand scheme of things. On top of that, their legacy health care costs are something that they really can’t do anything about (nor should they. When you make a promise to someone, you should do your best to keep it). No, the General’s problem is that they got too big and too arrogant.

I am a supporter of the Canadian Green Party, but forgot to mention that when I came here to troll around.

 
 

More reasons not to buy GM

izoneguy Monday, March 30th at 10:52AM EDT (link)

Obama will probably start installing GPS trackers on every GM made.
Just what we need. A government car company.
They will be more unreliable, it will take hours just to get a number for crappy service, all the dealerships will now have civil servants with bad attitudes….No thanks….

Obama’s new book - “How to destroy a capitalism, one company at a time”

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

 

Here are Obama's comments today (h/t Drudge)

bk Monday, March 30th at 11:11AM EDT (link)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090330/tbs-uk-autos-obama-remarks-sb-03c9bed.html

Anyone else notice that when he says “let me be clear” that what follows is a lie?

Let me be clear: the United States government has no interest or intention of running GM. What we are interested in is giving GM an opportunity to finally make those much-needed changes that will let them emerge from this crisis a stronger and more competitive company.

 

Obama will have to take over ALL the Jiffy-lubes...

$peciallist Monday, March 30th at 11:21AM EDT (link)

Bring the pics!

 

I can't wait for SF-2897, Simplified Request for Automotive Repair

Dave_in_Fla Monday, March 30th at 11:44AM EDT (link)

I bet it will only be 6 pages of Arial 10 type.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

That would be Helvetica 8 point Narrow

The_Gadfly Monday, March 30th at 1:50PM EDT (link)

People can read 10 pt standard.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

 

And it would be in triplicate ... (nt)

ddstrain Monday, March 30th at 2:33PM EDT (link)
 

Board of directors

larryp Monday, March 30th at 12:00PM EDT (link)

for GM control who is CEO. Where were they? Stockholder should file suit against them all.Not that Wagoner was a prize. But Gee what gutless wonders.

If GM's board had any stones

Lammo Monday, March 30th at 12:51PM EDT (link)

they would refuse to accept Wagoner’s resignation. Since it appears they don’t, they might as well all resign as well.

ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)

Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)

Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)

GM's board is toast too

Francis Cianfrocca Monday, March 30th at 1:01PM EDT (link)

Remember, they represent the common stock, which is worthless in a nationalization. The board members will all be replaced by Obamunists over the next few months.

Yeah, but if they went down fighting

Lammo Monday, March 30th at 1:16PM EDT (link)

at least they could look themselves in the mirror.

ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)

Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)

Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)

 

This is far, far worse than outright nationalization

civil_truth Monday, March 30th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

With nationalization, we at least know that the government is running the company and thus is accountable to voters as to performance.

Here we have a puppet show, where the government pays the money, appoints the people, creates the performance standards, and scripts the dialog for the company as well as itself.

It’s an absolute win-win for Washington politicians and the socialist administration/Congress.

If GM turns around, then Obama and the Democrats will reap all the applause for saving the company. And the definition of success can be quite broad - or perhaps just plain deception where we get a “restructuring” that they bask in the sunlight, and then behind the scenes GM gets dismantled, sold off, etc.

Conversely, if all their efforts still cannot head off disaster, then they can say that they tried as hard as they could but the company was too far gone - and get the applause for “trying”.

Or even get to make this an argument for a “do-over” overt government nationalization. Or an argument for taking over other companies as “preventive maintenance”.

And a complicit media will let them get away with the scripting. This is the kind of reporting and public Potemkin spectacle that ushers in dictatorships.

 
 
 

What about the UAW?

ss396 Monday, March 30th at 2:08PM EDT (link)

Why is Ron Gettelfinger still President of the UAW? Why didn’t the administration push the union for his dismissal the way that they pushed GM for Waggoner’s?

(Oops. That was a stupid question. Silly me.)

If you pay people to sit on their duffs, you cannot be surprised when they do.

Soft landing

greiner Monday, March 30th at 2:28PM EDT (link)

thanks to the U.S. taxpayer

“I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm’s way.”
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)

 
 
 

Make no mistake, in the end this will be a UAW owned company.

paulincolo Monday, March 30th at 3:07PM EDT (link)

Sure the title might be in govt (your) name, but UAW will control it from top to bottom. It matters not if they make a good car or not, because the taxpayers (you) will be on the hook for all the losses, even with a govt shoo-in for car purchases (you again). Over time, the continued govt (you) funding will just stop making the news. Think I am wrong?

Freddie and Fannie have been bailed out to the tune of $200B (you), paying exec bonuses (no outrage like AIG), and asking for a $100B more, (play it again Uncle Sam (you)).

You are the viable plan that they will settle on.

Think: The school board in a unionized, Blue city.

Achance Monday, March 30th at 3:17PM EDT (link)

That’s how GM is going to be run.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

The government has never run anything at a profit

izoneguy Monday, March 30th at 3:14PM EDT (link)

and they don’t care. Look at the Post Office. So now government motors will only buy vehicles through it’s own company. I guess they will try and kill defense contracts and steer those military vehicles purchases through their own company. But a car company is not as you unique as the post office. This will give republicans more fuel to show the bloat, waste & mis-management of the democomms. I say let it fail and let other car companies pick the meat of the bones. Screw the UAW.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Unfortunately, this will likely be a 20 year govt funded operation

paulincolo Monday, March 30th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

Now that it is effectively nationalized, it cannot fail (so to speak) because well… the government has to protect the interests of the taxpayers (insane laughter ensues). The other unfortunate part is the
few principled Repubs might try to point to the massive waste, but they aren’t in power, don’t have a compliant media (or any media savvy) and can only make minimum inroads into the fed legislature in the coming 6 years (maybe longer once the census bureau overcounts the blue states).

Think Of The Synergies....

rcov092 Monday, March 30th at 4:46PM EDT (link)

we will combine Government Motors with Amtrack and call it…yes…

GAMTRACK

They can build cars with steel wheels that will have the abiltiy to ride the rails. Thia will be good, no one rides Amtrack so we will increase capacity utilization thereby increasing the losses from Amtracks average of $2 billion dollars a year up to say $30-40 billion a year for the combined:

GAMTRACK

Now that is government efficiency.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

 
 
 

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