Somewhat peevishly, the President went to some lengths to portray his current budget as fiscally disciplined. One supposes that he gave his people the mandate to find some impressive number of programs to cut, amounting to some impressive dollar amount. In the event, he got 121 cut programs (most of the cuts had already been announced, like the F-22 Raptor), amounting to $17 billion.
Now you know that Congress will restore most, all, or more than all, of those cuts. And you know that Obama knows that, too. So obviously, the whole exercise was intended to give him a sound bite and nothing more. But look, that matters tremendously, because from now until the end of his term in office (and beyond), Obama will say that he was the first President in goodness-knows how long to actually cut the budget.
For proof, he’ll have the news headlines: “Obama cuts $17 billion in spending; Starts making the hard choices; Down-payment on Fiscal Responsibility.” Repeating lies endlessly makes them true.
George Bush left office with a record federal deficit of about $475 billion. (It had dipped below $200 billion at mid-decade.) Over the course of his eight years in office, he took our public debt from $3 trillion to $6 trillion.
Obama’s first budget will be in deficit by anywhere from $1.2 trillion to $1.75 trillion. (It will be worse if the economy, employment, and business income remain weak.) Obama promises in every speech to cut the federal deficit in half. He doesn’t mean down to half of Bush’s $475 billion. He means down to half of his own one-to-two trillion dollars. And even that he can only achieve by assuming the economy starts growing by 4% next year, which is not only silly given the banking crisis, but also far above the secular trend in any case.
The President is asking us to grade him on a curve. With one hand he wants to expand government spending far above what it’s ever been in peacetime. With the other, he’s going to trim a few things around the edges and ask to be credited as a fiscal conservative. But Obama will add more to the public debt in the next two years than George Bush did in eight.
Let’s talk about that a little bit. The pledge from this President is that 95% of Americans should pay lower taxes. Almost 50% of them pay no income taxes now, but only payroll taxes. Let’s assume that those people will be getting negative income taxes (which has already started happening). We know that taxes on the top earners will rise “to the levels of the Clinton era, which after all was pretty good for wealthy people.”
Ok, so what do you do now to fix the incredible gap between that small revenue enhancement and what Obama (and Congress) actually want to spend? There will be big-time rule changes on high earners, on businesses, and on capital. (In the latter case, it helps a lot if you de facto control the banks, because they can’t scream as loud.)
There’s no way for productive people and capital to escape far higher taxation in the next few years, even if the top marginal income-tax rate remains below Clinton’s 39.6%. The math just doesn’t work otherwise. Obama, again grading himself on a curve, will tell you that he intends to find some savings in medical spending, so that his trillion-dollar-plus expansion in such spending won’t be quite as large as it would have been otherwise. But again he knows full well that what some people consider wasteful spending, others consider their livelihood. He’s asking us to give him full credit simply for making the effort.
Someone has to say it, starting now: there is a European-style VAT in our future. That is simply the only way to fund a vastly larger government without crippling wealth production, and without a debilitating inflation. Get used to it. The President’s surrogates will start floating the idea after the midterm elections, and he himself will propose it right after election day in 2012.

Cap & Trade IS a VAT
DerKrieger Friday, May 8th at 7:37AM EDT (link)Cap & Trade taxes will affect every point of production and functions just like a VAT.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Not entirely.
The_Gadfly Friday, May 8th at 12:26PM EDT (link)The VAT is more efficient at extracting money. Some production and transformation techniques require less energy and are therefore more able to make profit. A VAT does away with that completely. Although cap and trade might be a stepping stone to VAT as some foolish businesses would back moving to a VAT instead of Cap & Trade. At that point we would have property taxes, income taxes, occupational taxes, sales taxes, Cap and Trade, and the VAT.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Congress... and Obama remind me of the women
Steph C Friday, May 8th at 8:03AM EDT (link)who marry for money, only to find out even the rich have their limits, too.
Yet, the women still spend, spend, spend, like there’s no tomorrow. Credit cards maxed to the hilt and still they spend; and will spend us into bankruptcy because they “own” the printing press.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
I don't think they will wait till 2012
reddog53 Friday, May 8th at 8:30AM EDT (link)I think that the VAT is headed our way in 2010, after the mid term elections. The only way to stop it is to unseat the Democrats.
The complicated part is all the folks seeking the Fair Tax, which is essentially a VAT, will potentially be hoodwinked into supporting something on the promise that the Income Tax will go away. It won’t because, as you point out, it can’t because the government will need the $$….and without it, they can’t modify our behavior along their lines of ’social justice.’
The Fair Tax and a VAT have no real commonalities
The_Gadfly Friday, May 8th at 12:21PM EDT (link)only superficial ones. The Fair Tax is explicitly applied at the point of consumption. A VAT is applied at the point of production and at each point of transformation along the way, with hideous regulations and hiding the full extent of the VAT from the citizen. The fact that they are both applied as a percentage of the price is the only thing they have in common.
I’m not especially a supporter of the Fair Tax, because I think ultimately it puts businesses in the cross-hairs for the demagoguing politicians. But we shouldn’t unnecessarily assail their position. My personal preference is for a universal flat tax on income*. The more citizens who perceive themselves to be at risk of government abuse, the more citizens who are likely to keep a close eye on government. Moving people off the income tax rolls was one of the few mistakes I think Reagan made.
*The only thing I’d like more than a universal flat tax would be requiring each taxpayers to send his payment to the government each time he gets his pay check. although I might settle for making tax day Nov 1 instead of April 15.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Come into the real world.
Flagstaff Friday, May 8th at 7:17PM EDT (link)(insert smiley face here)
“The fact that they are both applied as a percentage of the price is the only thing they have in common.”
While there may be nothing technically wrong with what you wrote, a VAT is exactly the same as a consumption tax, with the added down side that the tax is collected at each point of its production and distribution life, even before the product is consumed. Collecting a VAT cost more than collecting a sales tax. The VAT must have been invented by tax accountants.
That makes a VAT almost as bad as a property tax.
At least a point-of-sale tax has the advantage of simplicity.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
Taking
10ksnooker Friday, May 8th at 8:55AM EDT (link)all that jive talk to new heights.
Is everything a lie with him?
Obama unveils his fiscal displine...
6eorge Jetson Friday, May 8th at 2:44PM EDT (link)Obama must've eaten the image above...take 2
6eorge Jetson Friday, May 8th at 2:46PM EDT (link)European style...
Crowe Friday, May 8th at 9:44AM EDT (link)Well we’re already well on our way to European style unemployment, utilitaritan health care, economic calcification, choking entitlement, and population decline, so why not the VAT?
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”Oy.
mikefisk Friday, May 8th at 10:03AM EDT (link)There’s been enough research (not to mention historical evidence on this) that a combination of VAT and income tax is the worst of both worlds, leading to crippling rates of taxation while hiding the true burden from the average consumer. (For its lack of transparency, I would consider a VAT to be worse than the current income tax system; that being said, it’s precisely this aspect that makes it so appealing to government types.)
Tax increases by stealth are still tax increases, and it’s getting close to a time of reckoning where Obama and his lackeys are going to have to come clean to the American people and admit what we all already know: “We are the government, we won, and we’re here to soak you for every cent we can get away with.”
“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” - Michael Fisk
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A slogan for Republicans: "No new types of taxes" nt
David123 Friday, May 8th at 3:06PM EDT (link)David123
Not sure about this:
Flagstaff Friday, May 8th at 7:36PM EDT (link)“…a European-style VAT…. …is simply the only way to fund a vastly larger government without crippling wealth production, and without a debilitating inflation.”
Not saying that there won’t be a tax, but I don’t believe that it won’t cripple wealth production. Whether the tax is taken away from our income or taken out of our pockets as we purchase anything taxable, it still has the same dampening effect on the economy. True, it will give a lot of those folks whose taxes weren’t going to be raised a chance to help pay some government bills, but economically the effect is the same.
It’s in effect a price increase, accompanied with a theoretical increase in disposable income. Except, oops!, there is no theoretical increase in income contemplated, because this isn’t tied to a reduction in income tax rates. So the effect will be awful if it happens, guaranteeing a reduction in GDP.
It has no chance to do anything but “crippl[e] wealth production.” I believe that if Obama installs his profligate spending plans, we have no hope of avoiding “debilitating inflation.” It’s not possible to avoid it simply by changing the form of the tax.
If there were a way to cap income taxes at a much lower rate than today while installing a low sales tax, I could be convinced to support it. The plans you wrote about that the administration may have are more problem, not new solution.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
An Income AND a Sales Tax would provide two paths for exponential increase.
phred Friday, May 8th at 7:58PM EDT (link)As tax will always discourage an action, taxing purchases rather than earnings will not have a negative impact on wealth accumulation, unless everyone quits spending and only saves.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
I don't underestand.
Flagstaff Sunday, May 10th at 1:58AM EDT (link)Perhaps you could expand your comment.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
The income tax described and sold to us in the 16th Amendment
phred Sunday, May 10th at 10:00AM EDT (link)only affected the “rich.” Look at it now. I live in Georgia and remember a basic 3% sales tax, over time the legislature has given local municipalities and authorities the ability to add sales tax within their jurisdictions and despite the the fact that inflation has increased the amount of money that the original 3% generated the state has increased that by 1 cent (33% increase!) 7% state and local combined in most of the state now. MORE THAN DOUBLE!
Now create a VAT which is generally not itemized as it is added all along the distribution channel, and there will be even less outcrying than there is with income tax and their seems to be little shame in increasing that. Two taxes with appetites of their own.
There is only a logical limit to increasing taxes, there doesn’t seem to be a moral one.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
OK. A sales tax discourages consumption.
Flagstaff Sunday, May 10th at 7:25PM EDT (link)Contrary to some, my opinion is that isn’t a good thing. Especially when the reduction of consumption can have only one outcome–loss of work for producers.
We have unsustainably inflated consumption for years by excessive borrowing for that purpose. We’ve turned around the borrowing. To increase prices now would be a double hit.
Unfortunately, our tax and spend process is out of control. Instead of determining just exactly what services government should provide and then taxing to pay for it, we’ve decided that government should pay for almost everything, which of course is also unsustainable.
IMHO, at some point, sooner or later, we will have to cut back on the welfare state or we’ll be in another depression. Five percent of us cannot support the other ninety-five percent.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
A tax scheme that encourages earnings and savings,
phred Sunday, May 10th at 7:41PM EDT (link)will promote an economy that isn’t built so much on borrowed money, a true ownership society not easily manipulated by govts either foreign or domestic.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
sales tax, dmv fees, business license fees, library card fees hit the poor hardest
mom2oneson Sunday, May 10th at 8:32PM EDT (link)The lower someone’s income the more of a percent they pay. I think it’s great certain food items are not taxed in some states.
Business license fees are so dumb. That has to be the most anti-capitalistic fee ever thought of it.
Conservatives politicizing the debt, cuts?
mbdam123 Saturday, May 9th at 4:49PM EDT (link)I watched a clip of William F. Buckley the other day, and some of his words got me thinking… see the video and my thoughts here:
http://publius772000.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/are-we-politicizing-our-financial-woes/