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The Bottom Line on Wall St. and Bank Profits

2009 was one of the very best years in history for the financial industry, with over $50 billion in profits for the top half-dozen firms alone. Forget for a moment about the fact that this industry was literally saved from death with taxpayer dollars. The real question is, what are they there to do?

The short answer to that question is that the financial industry exists to make capital available, and to allocate it efficiently to productive uses in the real economy.

Instead, what did the financial industry do to make its money? The Wall St. firms ran proprietary trading programs as never before, and they raked in huge fees underwriting issues of debt by the largest corporations, who used the money to improve their balance sheets but not to invest in new productivity.

The old-fashioned banks spent the year lending Fed funds to the Treasury, profiting risk-free from the steep yield curve.

In short, the provision of capital and sound allocation decisions delivered to the real economy fell far short of justifying the financial sector’s huge profits. As it has been for some time (at least two decades), this industry, in significant measure, is a parasite.

When will that change? As soon as the industry stops being so good at manipulating the political process and the regulators, and as soon as Washington stops needing Wall St and large banks to finance its headlong plunge into control over more and more of the economy.

COMMENTS

  • JadedByPolitics

    allowing our politicians to be BOUGHT & PAID FOR by Wall Street and DEMAND accountability! OBTW lets STOP giving these tools our hard earned tax dollars and let them FAIL! It is interesting that the Democrats have become the party of Wall Street though in the year 2009!

    • edintexas

      It was well before 2009. In the 2008 campaign cycle McCain Wall Street contributions totaled 43.7% less than the amount Wall Street showered on Dear Leader’s campaign:

      Obama Campaign – $2,992,456.00

      McCain Campaign – $1,699,525.00

      Source – “Presidential Candidates: Selected Industry Totals, 2008 Cycle” Federal Election Commission data reported on opensecrets.org

      Most of the Administration’s major advisors, Tsars and appointees have collected salaries and/or retainers from Wall Street firms. As an example, according to Congressional financial disclosure forms Rahm Emanuel raked in $16.2 million from Wasserstein-Perella in the 2.5 years between leaving the Clinton WH and running for Rod Bagojevich’s seat in Congress. Not bad for a former ballet dancer.

      So which was the party of Wall Street before 2009?

      • Scope

        According to an article “2010 Shaping up to be a Rough year for Democrats” from Newsmax, Maryland Rep Chris Van Hollen, who leads the House Dems campaign arm, in December came out with an ad which includes “Remember? We all know we should never let this happen again.” The ad lays into Republicans for voting “to let Wall Street continue the same risky practices that crippled retirement accounts and left the taxpayers on the hook for $700 billion.” Van Hollen claims- “The Republican party in Washington today is no different than the Republican party that ran Congress before.” The problem with his claim- The Democrats have been in controll for the last 3 years.

        http://newsmax.com/politics/democrats-congress-2010-barack/2010/01/02/id/345188

        edintexas, this ad, together with your information above concerning the campaign contributions, would make a terrific ad for the Republicans. And, as to blaming the Republicans for the TARP bailout, it should be highlighted that most Democrats voted for the bailouts, and, Obama pushed Bush to release the second half of those funds that were still unspent. Van Hollen isn’t to bright, it’s easy to find that he voted for the TARP bill, and every other spending bill since.

        Unfortunately, the only challenger to Van Hollen in Maryland for 2010 is someone who considers himself a, get this- Conservatarian. He also challenged Van Hollen in 2008, and was endorsed by Ron Paul. The kiss of death.

  • Achance

    Looks like this Administration will make ’10 an even bigger year for the financial industry, though hopefully we can apply some brakes to the symbiosis in the 4th Quarter.

  • mbecker908

    Personally, I see the government and the financial industry as two parasites feeding on one another.

    I don’t see it stopping any time soon either.

    • Paul Cella

      That is the term for it. It’s a pretty common degradation of republics, historically. A union of welfarism and usury has produced in this country a very potent plutocracy.

    • bk
      • mbecker908
  • vanekl

    There is no doubt that lending has dropped, and that Fannie and Freddy are still being pumped, month after month, with our money, and the scams you mention are true, but lending hasn’t dropped off a cliff, at least not if you believe the government’s numbers.[1]

    Another hopeful sign is that the FDIC hasn’t had to close a bank in two weeks, but that may be due to the holidays.[2]

    What worries me is that the great unwinding has not started yet. Instead of the feds holding onto all the banking assets it seized during the great recession, there should have been some move to divest themselves of these assets. For example, why hasn’t AIG been broken up into smaller pieces and sold yet? And why is Barney still anywhere near the House Financial Services Committee? Why is there ZERO stink being made of his complicity and profligate spending?

    [1] http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TOTLL?cid=100
    [2] http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

    • Francis Cianfrocca

      For one thing, I wouldn’t classify the St. Louis Fed as the government :-) The H.8 series you mention is total assets in force, not originations of new credits. The downtrend in this value over the course of the crisis is pretty hair-raising, if you ask me. The US private sector has been de-leveraging aggressively since about mid-2007.

      • vanekl

        The downtrend appears like its may just be falling back to long-term trend. It will be interesting to see whether it crosses the long-term trend and continues to fall, or whether it stabilizes. Too early to tell.

        De-leveraging per se is not a bad thing. In fact, it’s to be expected when a bubble busts.

        If more banks are taken over I expect them to be listed on tomorrow’s FDIC list. It will be interesting to watch that indicator, too.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    As always, a fantastic and spot-on analysis.

    Cheers !

  • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

    Financial institutions, like any business, exist for one purpose, and it is completely and totally moral: To make a profit. That is why businesses do business.

    The problem here is not the financial industry or the people who work in it, the problem is the unholy alliance the industry has with the government. This alliance dates back to the days of the formation of the constitution and the debate between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists (who were actually misnamed and were in reality more “federalist” in the true sense of the word.)

    Alexander Hamilton and a bunch of New York bankers created a “crisis” to get the young country to adopt a new constitution which gave the central federal government control over the economy. The Articles of Confederation did not grant the feds such control.

    Upon completion of this, Hamilton immediately created a central bank and called for a number of mercantilist programs in his “report on manufactures” submitted as Treasure Secretary. The effects of which are our current boondoggle of centralized banking, government run economies, central planning, fascism, and socialism all mixed into one.

    If you want to know why we have bubbles and bursts and why some businesses can make absurdly high profits while the rest of the country struggles, you need not look any farther than the constitution’s pages. It gives the government the power to control commerce, and thus pick winners and losers.

    We need to dissolve this country and restore our individual freedom.

    • Paul Cella

      I’m not sure your story of Hamiltonian perfidy really holds up.

      • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

        and Thomas Jefferson.

        I suggest you read “Hamilton’s Curse”

    • Francis Cianfrocca

      He’s the (relatively) new head of the UK’s FSA, a position with no analog in Washington. Think of him as the UK’s top financial regulator.

      In a recent speech in the City, he pointed out that the financial sector is different from other businesses because it’s uniquely able to create demand for its own products.

      For example, I mentioned briefly Wall St’s algo trading, which went into high gear in 2009 as soon as the financial crisis ended. To oversimplify, this is trading on volatility, and it results in volatility which in turn needs to be hedged by financial end users. I’m not aware of convincing numbers giving the size of the effect, but it does have the result of increasing the cost of capital. To me, that’s parasitic.

      My reading of Hamilton’s history differs from yours, but that’s a subject for another day. Asset bubbles have been observed throughout recorded history, not just in the presence of the US Constitution.

      • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

        So I limited my analysis to the problems behind that one industry, which all boils down to the mercantilistic power granted to the federal government by the constitution.

        Bubbles and Bursts happen because of the use of force. If the market was actually free, these things wouldn’t happen. Why? Because only government can give unlimited security. They do so through the use of force. It’s more indirect and complicated than that, but that is the essential premise.

        In a truly free market, only the banks that made the most sound decisions would make a profit. There would be no loopholes or special government policies to take advantage of.

        • Francis Cianfrocca

          There’s a legitimate role for a lender of last resort. (I’ll be the first to admit that for the last year, the authorities filling this role have often seemed like lenders of first AND last resort, but these are extraordinary times.)

          My experience is in business and finance, so I can only speak from that point of view. Bubbles happen as a direct consequence of human nature. There’s no point in calling them market failures because they’re part of how markets work.

          It seems to me that your quarrel isn’t with cyclicality per se, but with how it gets responded to by government authorities. I’m abundantly on record on this site as having been in favor of the interventions of Sept 2008, and I won’t back down from that. I think it’s very difficult, but essential, to find the balance between pure market freedom and the disruptions of serious crises.

          And there’s no way to pick that balance point so as to make everyone happy. That’s one reason why the govt’s current attempts to pre-regulate the next crash will largely fail.

        • 6eorge Jetson

          which is far more likely to come from a central govt policy than from a diverse private sector. However, to assert that the private sector can’t make the same collective error (e.g. the tech bubble) is not correct.

    • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

      Any one who does even a cursory look at the historical record can see that booms and busts happen all the time with economies with no central bank, and in fact happen more often and are more severe.

  • JSobieski

    As Ann Coulter is so fond of saying, Wall Street is now populated with a bunch of fratboy types who are not particularly dedicated to capitalism. The support for Cap and Trade on Wall Street is just the most visible embodiment of a cultural shift.

    The fact that dems actually raised more Wall Street money than the republicans is a result of a gradual cultural change in the financial sector.

    This diary is very much appreciated, and the issue of exactly what is happening to the financial sector of our economy requires a lot more attention.

    Any idiot could make money borrowing at 0% and lending it out or buying assets.

    Are we on are way to a second financial sector bubble?

    • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

      as long as our economy is centrally planned, we will always have bubbles and bursts, until we finally collapse.

    • Achance

      anymore. There is the ocassional innovator or entrepreneur that gets to the seat of power, but bankers aren’t the guy who made the money or even whose grandfather made the money, they’re the guy from Hahvud or Wharton who rather than being indoctrinated to making money off making something somebody wants to buy is indoctrinated to a statist, use the government to make money view, or worse, is indoctrinated as a fascist, or to be more polite, someone who believes in state capitalism as opposed to individual capitalism. The leaders of the “financial industry” in America are rarely capitalists, they’re just wage slaves in a better tax bracket or trust fund babies. They have little use even for corporate capitalism and none for individual capitalism.

      • JSobieski

        The “elite” corporations do seem to be mirroring the “elite” thinking one finds at Harvard, Yale, Wharton, etc. However, there are plenty of examples of companies who do not operate in that fashion.

        I do however suspect that in terms of the large blue chip publicly traded companies, you are increasingly correct.

        Any organization that is not founded with a purpose of being conservative on an ongoing basis will in fact become more liberal over time.

  • JSobieski

    Insured FDIC accounts and lending money is a different business than trading in all sorts of complicated instruments. To some extent, banking and government are inherently linked together because the government is going to either control the money supply or have a sufficiently significant influence on the money supply as to cause inevitable ripple effects.

    Conservatives are by definition going to look to market based solutions and encourage innovation, but the core banking function may require something more regulated and less innovative.

    Maybe the risk taking and financial instrument innocation should be kept seperate from the core aspects of traditional banking? Basically the opposite result from what transpired as a result of TARP, where all sorts of financial services companies became “banks” for TARP and other purposes.

    • Francis Cianfrocca

      I’ll avoid a dissertation on the kinds of banking, particularly as regards the split between investment banking and depository banking that’s being contemplated by those advocating a new Glass-Steagall act.

      But there’s a clear split between managing the money supply and the business of banking. The former is a clear responsibility of the Fed, under current practice. And banking (in all forms) is ultimately about creating and allocating credit.

      It’s true that a year ago the Fed waded into the pool of directly providing credit to the economy and has done so ever since. It’s also true that the people running the Fed are well aware of how extraordinary and undesirable this is, and they’re pulling out more or less on schedule.

      • JSobieski

        however, it does seem clear that in the aggregate, the underlying rules of the game in the US seem to result in an overinvestment in all sorts of temporary trading in exotic financial instruments and an underinvestment in other aspects of the economy.

        No matter what the financial regulations are, I suspect that it is far easier to open a new branch of a bank than it is for a manufacturing company to open a new manufacturing plant.

        The lines between monetary supply, traditional banking, and investment banking have been very blurred as of late. Given how traditional banking can influence the velocity of money, I think a case can made for saying that traditional banking does in fact influence the effective monetary supply of the US.

        Otherwise, if the behavior of banks was irrelevant to the effective money supply of the US, wouldn’t we have rampant inflation by now?

    • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

      The solution is to deregulate, not regulate.

      The solution is to have a separation of economy and state for the same reason that we have a separation of church and state.

      As long as the government “regulates” there will be an advantage for certain individuals or businesses.

      • Scope

        we should abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS, and, get back on the gold standard?

        • http://www.itsmyblog.com uttles

          I think we should have currency competition – the absence of a government mandated standard. People should be able to trade value for value, and if they want to use gold or silver or dollars or bank notes, that should be allowed.

          Also, what shouldn’t be allowed is for the federal government to set the price of money – the interest rate.

          • Achance

            or keep using the Pony Express?

            The time for the sorts of decisions you’re talking about is long, long past and while we were in the throes of such a transition, somebody out there, probably the Chinese, would eat our lunch – in a very literal way.

          • smagar
          • http://www.thehayride.com MacAoidh

            …we’re currently on I’m not sure uttles isn’t describing the near future. You simply cannot print a trillion dollars a year out of thin air without collapsing the currency.

          • revivefederalism

            The level of monetary expansion we’re undertaking isn’t even enough to convince China to let the yuan rise against the dollar. If we actually did print money like Mugabe and experience those levels of hyperinflation, the social contract would break down, police forces would quit, and we’d be fending for ourselves. I don’t see this happening. There will be a more gradual capitulation of the public sector before it completely falls off a cliff.

            Metallic currency systems require that materials which could be put to productive industrial uses or made into ornamental consumer goods are kept off the market under armed guard. If physical settlement of bills in gold is required, then this adds a further transportation expense that drags upon economic growth .

            Investors are certainly right to be wary of the risks to dilution of their non-inflation linked financial assets due to expansion of a fiat currency, but its benefits are immense and overlooked by loonies with their conspiracy theories about fractional reserve banking.

          • http://www.thehayride.com MacAoidh

            …unsustainable, and the Chinese are giving us unmistakable signals that they will very soon reach their end of both buying our debt and tolerating a debauched American dollar as an unquestioned world standard.

          • revivefederalism

            I agree that we can’t idiotically allocate capital to wasteful government programs and economically destructive regulatory regimes indefinitely. A moderate drop in the currency, a rise in inflation due to increased import costs, and an end to foreign financing of our federal debt and associated housing programs will be the trigger to force us to change our ways. The bond vigilantes will raise the treasury rates and there will be some shedding of federal programs and promises. What ends up getting cut will depend on who is in control when the transition occurs.

            Conversely, China cannot permanently export vastly more than it imports. Their currency peg is the primary source of the trade imbalance, but demographics and national stability dictate that our currency will remain stronger than the calculated purchasing power parity for some time, so we’ll continue to run a trade deficit, albeit a smaller one, for a time even if the Chinese let the yuan float. The risks of revolutions and targeted expropriation of assets by the state are much higher there, so it’s less useful as a store of value. In order for China to stop buying our debt, they have to let their currency rise so that they stop having cash that they need to plow into USD investments.

            The export market developed first in China and its masters currently have greater influence with the Chinese government than those attempting to build a domestic economy. Given the recession, the government does not want to risk a rise in the yuan making exports uncompetitive because the domestic market cannot at this time adjust quickly enough to provide jobs to displaced factory workers. Keeping the yuan pegged though causes Chinese factories and human capital to be oriented towards the production of goods that are misaligned to domestic demand.

            The longer and deeper the undervaluation of the peg, the greater the result of this distortion. Furthermore, nations have a tendency to inflate away their debts over time. Would we allow ourselves to owe China 50% of a year’s GDP? I highly doubt it. What’s the exact point at which we begin printing at such a rate as to force them to let the yuan rise? As I’ve said before, that’s the real elephant in the room. As they perceive negative returns to holding their dollars instead of spending them and their workforce ages, these trade flows will reverse and they’ll buy stuff from us.

            I find all the talk of the displacement of the dollar to be strange. Honestly, the concept of a ‘reserve currency’ is something for which I’ve never understood the necessity. Nations, companies, and individuals can take the responsibility for holding various currencies in the proportions needed for their operations. Exchange traded derivatives can offer means of providing stability of cash flows as measured in local currencies or hedged foreign purchasing power. There is no need for an internationally orchestrated system of dollars or special drawing rights. A system of freely floating currencies polices the fiscal insanity of governments and reflects the market expectations of goods and services to be produced by each nation both now and later. If we avoid sandbagging our economy through excessively costly government administration costs, wealth redistribution programs, automatic unionization programs, and imaginary green energy daydreams we’ll be able to work our ways out of this mess.

          • aesthete
  • Scope

    a blank check, and, encouraged them to keep lending to people with no ability to pay the money back, will only exacerbate the original problem that brought the financial sector to it’s knees to begin with. Redistribution of wealth, and, redistribution of homes all owned by the federal government. Welcome to Communism.

    I have a friend that spent her early years in Communist Czecloslovakia (sp) and the government was ready to move strangers into their home, because they didn’t need all that space. They moved the inlaws in with them to prevent it.

    • Vegas_Rick

      It seems to me that the easiest and least intrusive way to regulate this is to require that “banks” keep their riskiest assets on their own books. For example: If you want to write NINJA loans, go ahead, but you can’t sell them. You keep the risk. If you want to sell a standard 30 year fixed, 20% cash down, FHA loan, knock your self out.

      Seems to my simple mind that this would significantly mitigate the problem of toxic assets.

      • Vegas_Rick
        • Scope

          but your idea makes sense to me. From my understanding, the bad risk loans got bundled into the less risk loans, and were sold to everyone. When the crash happened, the banks/investment companies had no idea of what they had. Wasn’t there a problem with trying to figure out what toxic assets (how can assets be toxic) they had. Weren’t there problems with the mark to market determinations? I haven’t been up on if they finally figured out how to value those homes. It seems that we may have blown right by that determination, or the will to determine it. Again, I am no expert, but, I like the idea that bank/mortgage companies should have to keep their more risky loans on their books, and, tell ACORN to go shove it with their demands.

          • revivefederalism

            Aside from the fact that Fannie, Freddie, and Ginnie have basically crowded out the private mortgage market, going forward, mortgage bond investors will be less inclined to accept bonds based upon such lousy collateral (assuming they don’t have federal guarantees). I expect that investors will demand simplicity in deal structure and rigidity in collateral underwriting standards going forward. I’d be more concerned with the fact that Fannie, Freddie, and Ginnie are continuing to write stupid loans with federal backing than with the possibility that fools in the private market may be fooled again.

            I’d like to point out though the symmetry between the subprime mortgage market and the student loan market. Universities do not hold the credit risk for the loans student take out to attend them. If they were required to hold a portion of the default risk, then there’s a chance they’d pay more attention to aligning educational programs to the demands of the job market and only accepting students with the ability to graduate in a timely and successful fashion. Given the phaseout of the FFEL programs, I really doubt we’ll be moving in this direction any time soon. Get ready for taxpayer bailouts of these loan programs to journalism and art therapy graduates.

      • mbecker908

        and in the near term future. There is no “creative financing” in the mortgage market and it’s so tight right now that you can get about half what you can prove you don’t need.

        ALL loans are full doc, verified assets. The only real issue is the value of the property. There are a couple of threads here tonite talking about the real estate market and the bottom line is that it’s nowhere near the bottom.

        The real problem is a bunch of loans that FF bought starting about 15+ years ago that they didn’t tell regulators they were buying. Those are now toxic. That’s where the rat hole is.

        • Scope

          I would appreciate if you would ask mbecker why the government just gave Freddie and Fanny an unlimited amount of money? What would they be backing if credit is so tight that loans are only approved with docs and verified assets? Most of those that they backed, that created the bust, were no doc, no asset, no job loans. Since the goal of the administration is to redistribute the wealth, and to put people in homes no matter what, who are they increasing that money supply for? Please tell mbecker for me that I agree, most honest economists I’ve heard recently agree, the real estate market hasn’t bottomed out yet. Also, wouldn’t those loans made 15 years ago, that may be adjusting now, would be adjusting little to nothing since interest rates, I believe are even lower now then they were even just a few years ago. I know mortgage interest rates take a while to catch up with the fed rate, but, there hasn’t been any increases in at least a few years. Please tell mbecker that I am only asking respectfully, and want to expand my knowledge, and, since I don’t exist to mbecker, I ask through a third party.

          • penguin2

            Wish I could think of another way to say it, but maybe give things another chance? :)

          • Scope

            Achance as I’ve liked to say recently, meaning give some of us a chance. It takes awhile until you get to know all the characters here. I am not saying characters like in a movie play, but, rather who is of good character. I’ve seen some posts from those that I thought were the most ruthless, and viscious, but, they give their true sentiments, beliefs, ideas and etc. away, while trying to look like the big old bad guys, wielding big sticks, and, no carrots. If you read between the lines, they have outed themselves more than once, (Franz, the 20 somethings). No worry Penguin, if we all stick to the same goal, we will beat all the people that we agree need to be gone. Most of us are on the same page, some are just a few chapters ahead of others, and, they just need to take a deep breath and help to get some of us caught up.

          • penguin2

            LOL, he told me he was a fuzzy bear or something like that. Yet, I think the world of him and his knowledge and opinions. That holds true for almost all others here for me as well, even if I may not quite have the same opinion as they do.

            I just saw you express ghostliness with Becker and you are not a ghost! And he would probably tell me he is a grizzly bear too, but I see you all as good people, and we are good to go for 2010!

          • mbecker908

            FF got a blank check for two reasons. One, they’re gonna have to write down a truckload of bad debt. In addition, I wouldn’t be surprised to see servicers transferring bad paper to FF off their books. BofA is running over 6% of their residential mortgage portfolio at greater than 90 day delinquent. Wells Fargo is almost 12%. The top five banks are running almost $100B over 90 days and that won’t get cured. Transfer the bad paper to FF and they become the biggest property owner in the country bar none.

            Two, BO wants to make the fed the mortgage lender of first resort and put everybody else out of business. This will do it.

            And as far as the RE market is concerned, it’s got a long way to go before you can even SEE the bottom let alone before it hits bottom. That really applies to the “big” markets – CA, AZ, NV, FL for instance, while most of the flyover country where values never really got caught up in the whirlwind is relatively stable.

          • Scope

            tomorrow. And I am probably going to ask you some things that you already answered. Have a good night, and, thank you again. Dogs rule, and if we all got as simple as they are, but as smart, these discussions wouldn’t be playing out. They instinctively know how is the enemy.

        • Vegas_Rick

          Scope wants to know the government just gave Freddie and Fanny an unlimited amount of money? What would they be backing if credit is so tight that loans are only approved with docs and verified assets? Most of those that they backed, that created the bust, were no doc, no asset, no job loans. Since the goal of the administration is to redistribute the wealth, and to put people in homes no matter what, who are they increasing that money supply for? Scope agrees, most honest economists I?ve heard recently agree, that the real estate market hasn?t bottomed out yet. Also, wouldn?t those loans made 15 years ago, that may be adjusting now, would be adjusting little to nothing since interest rates, Scope believes are even lower now then they were even just a few years ago. Scope knows mortgage interest rates take a while to catch up with the fed rate, but, there hasn?t been any increases in at least a few years. Scope is only asking respectfully, and wants to expand his(?) knowledge, and, since he don?t exist to you, he asks through a third party.

          • aesthete
  • Scope

    please don’t be such a stranger around these parts. Alot of us miss your expert analyses.

  • bk

    I’ve heard others talk of what said here: “The old-fashioned banks spent the year lending Fed funds to the Treasury, profiting risk-free from the steep yield curve.”

    So banks are borrowing money for practically nothing and using it to make a small but guaranteed profit at zero risk. Eventually you’d think the economy recovers and there’s more money to be made opening up normal lending channels albeit at some risk of course.

    But in the short term will the feds be tempting to jack up the base rate so that money can’t be borrowed for next to nothing? That would have other impacts of course – interest rates would rise across the board and the stock market could suffer.

    What does your crystal ball tell you about what may happen and what effects that might have?

    And as others have noted above, with Fannie and Freddie getting a blank check of taxpayers money, doesn’t that head us back toward what got us into this mess? If they just buy everything regardless of the risk, we’re back where we were before the bailouts right?

    • Francis Cianfrocca

      Or maybe the $64 bn question…

      It’s possible for the economy to recover asymmetrically. Some sectors (like finance) will come back strongly and others won’t. Some secular changes in employment patterns that were already in motion have been obscured by the crisis too.

      Bottom line, the government (not the monetary authority) has a great deal to be concerned about in regard to unemployment. We can have constrained monetary conditions without a recovery that puts people back to work.

      Markets are basically expecting that the Fed will try to raise rates sometime in late 2010 or perhaps 2011. The Fed themselves are very concerned about inflation, which could appear very, very quickly, if it appears at all.

      It’s not for sure that the Fed will actually be able to make a rate increase stick, given that there’s relatively little demand for credit. Also, the large banks are still extremely overextended with the overhang from housing bubble, and that makes them unwilling to create new credits.

      The basic approach we took to this mess was to guarantee everyone’s obligations. That prevented a deflationary spiral (aka Great Depression II), by allowing banks to continue holding the impaired assets that caused the mess, without recognizing a hit to capital.

      But now those assets will have to run off over time, and until that happens, the banking system will remain frozen in amber. Give it at least another two years, maybe three. Five years from now, it should be washed out.

      Already there’s a lot of evidence that when normal banking comes back, a lot of it will be leveraged loans and similar things that happened in the bubble.

      • SteveLA

        F_C

        Is this eerily like the time before the start of Jimmy’s Stagflation of the late 70′s?

        High unemployment, high national debt, high interest rates, increasing prices. Sure smells like it to me, but to be honest back then I was more interested in the price of beer and a tank of gas.

      • Scope

        n/t

      • Scope

        we are going to keep selling the 70/30 version, rather than to get back to a 93/7 mixture. China, our biggest debt holder, as well as the world monetary market isn’t into alot of wothless fat. We haven’t been able to sell bonds on the world market, so we printed more greenbacks to sell to ourselves. How is all that going to play out? I’m not sure I really want to know that answer.

    • revivefederalism

      If you ran a bank that took deposits, bought 30-year treasury bills, didn’t make any consumer or corporate loans, and sold 10 year debt with a mix of 10% equity (your cash you brought in to start the bank), 10% deposits, 80% 10-year debt, and the yields on both 10yr and 30yr treasuries increased by a full percentage point, you’d have lost all of your investment and the FDIC would be winding you down.

      The open market operations through which banks are able to borrow from the Federal Reserve at the overnight lending rate are fully collateralized transactions involving treasury bonds that banks have in excess of the their required capital.

      Banks obviously don’t just exist as treasury bond hedge funds. When you thrown in less liquid investments with credit risk and convexity (large second order price changes relative to the treasury curve) the business becomes far from trivial. Don’t confuse observing a period where profits have steadily accumulated without realized losses from mode of operations in which they were impossible.

      • bk

        So what’s the best explanation for banks in effect lending money to Uncle Sam rather than to John Q Public? Form what I hear and see, all these fed actions to open up money for lending haven’t done so yet, so things still seem tight.

        • revivefederalism

          Borrowing short and lending long has positive carry with an upward sloping yield curve. Picking up nickels in front of a steam roller and attributing it to your trading prowess is a big game, and plenty of treasury traders are playing it. They didn’t get fired the last two years, so they’re in charge now. The structured credit and mortgage guys are gone or browbeaten to silence in risk meetings.

          As for why the they’re lending to the government more readily than the private sector, ask yourself where you’d take credit risk in this environment. The additional yield of mortgage pools relative to the 30 year bond isn’t that attractive. The government agencies are hogging that market. There’s plenty of posts about the REO overhang and the continuing CRE mudslide. Aside from repo trucks, gun shops, and safes, where would you lend? Businesses that would be profitable absent the threat of targeted government destruction, such as coal fired utilities, could be bankrupted by The Won, just as he promised. Do you want to lend money to build a solar field or wind farm that would be uneconomic if not for subsidies but could get derailed due the presence of an endangered species? How about lending to ANY unionized company? Did you notice how the unions managed to get bankruptcy law turned on its head by receiving priority above that of secured creditors for GM/Chrysler? Why not make an auto loan to someone who you can’t discriminate against for deriving their income from unemployment benefits and who intends to buy a discontinued car such as a Saturn that will rapidly lose value? How about going to the trouble of making a private student loan if you think there’s a chance the federal government will offer student borrowers the chance to refinance into government subsidized loans, thus exposing you to substantial prepayment risk? Why not lend to a medical device or drug company? People are getting older and fatter all the time, so there should be a demand. OH WAIT, the government is planning to take that industry over and create their own gerrymandered list of reimbursable treatments.

          I’ve previously said that I expect there to be an increasing in debt funding of businesses relative to equity financing due to the expiration of Bush’s dividend tax cuts. I maintain this view, but the economy is still capitulating and everyone is watching Washington to figure out the next place that will get splashed with money instead of trying to enjoy the animating contest of free enterprise. Kick these jokers out of D.C. and replace them with humble public servants or get used to the new normal of a command economy.

          • bk

            “…everyone is watching Washington to figure out the next place that will get splashed with money instead of trying to enjoy the animating contest of free enterprise.”

            And given 2010 is an election year, Obama and the Dems will be even LESS likely to let the market work than they were in 2009, and will rush to implement more “fixes”, bailouts, stimulus packages, etc. to try to artificially make things look good within the next six months, hoping to avoid a bloodbath in November. They’ll worry about 2011 starting on November 3rd – until then priority one is priming the pumps for November 2nd.

  • Stan(ley) Pruss

    How much of our tax money is being channeled to democrats who will financially support democrats in future elections? Why are New York money managers so Democratic? Guilt?

  • antisocial

    As usual great post.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    As a former financial industry employee I can tell you that when a lending institution stops making loans their profits go up. The reason is that (1) you have already written off a lot of bad debt (2) you are still collecting on your former performing loans, and (3) you put your assets into some sort of interest bearing instrument, usually short term notes.

    So in reality you are slowly shrinking your business, but your profits look good.

    • aesthete
  • johnt

    & Freddie Mac. The private markets are at least amenable to learning lessons, to some degree and for some time. The two atrocities name above plunge ahead, undeterred and if anything looking to expand operations.
    The losses will continue to run in the multi billions, we will continue to ante up, and government slugs & politicians will continue to enjoy it all. And they do enjoy it.

    • mbecker908

      They absolutely control the mortgage market now. It will take a Libertarian President and a Libertarian majority in both the House and Senate before that happens.

  • mackelby

    Its not the bankers fault our politicians can be bought with no recourse. Between Carter and Clinton’ regulations making banks loan money to people they knew could not in any way pay the loan back, and nobody trying to reverse the nonsense is the reason banks need to get the reserves way up there to pay for the next round of impending doom for the financial system. McCain did try to stop in 2005 (way little, way late), but guess what 2 senators lead the bandwagon to stifle McCain’s lame attempt to correct the nonsense, Obuma and Biden. Go figure someone with ties to ACORN would try to fix that issue.