If Not Ken Blackwell, Keep Mike Duncan


RedState endorses Ken Blackwell for Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

While RedState’s endorsement in the race for Chairman of the Republican National Committee does not set us apart from many of our colleagues in the online right movement, our second choice does. Nonetheless, we absolutely are committed to this fact: if the 168 members of the RNC cannot agree to choose Ken Blackwell for RNC Chairman, they should then keep Mike Duncan in place.

We make no secret that we are conservatives before we are Republicans. Ken Blackwell is a conservative. He is not just a conservative, but of all the men in the race, Ken Blackwell has run and won elected office on his own.

In addition, Ken Blackwell got into the race for Chairman by surrounding himself with extremely competent, principled people. This is a sign both of his understanding the needs of the RNC and of his commitment to the cause.

Make no mistake, with Ken Blackwell as Chairman of the RNC there will never, so long as he is there, be another Lincoln Chafee primary defense. Ken Blackwell is fundamentally a conservative first and knows the party grassroots extremely well.

We are also mindful that Ken Blackwell might not be able to muster the votes for RNC Chairman. The 168 members have a majority who are not, perhaps, as committed to conservatism as Ken Blackwell, and Blackwell is not without his enemies from his years in Ohio politics.

We believe strongly that should Ken Blackwell not have enough votes to be RNC Chairman on the first ballot, Mike Duncan deserves the votes on the second ballot.

There are many right of center activists who are opposed to Mike Duncan. These activists cannot throw out the President as head of the party, but they can throw out Mike Duncan. We share their frustration with the status quo, especially given how little the GOP House and Senate leadership changed after yet another disastrous election cycle. And we share the concern that Duncan is not a particularly compelling TV spokesman for the party. But there are three points that underscore why blaming Duncan is wrong.

First, Mike Duncan did not arrive at the RNC until 2007. During that year, whether you like it or not, Mike Duncan’s job was not about getting Republicans elected. It was about bolstering the President.

There is a new job description. Duncan understands that. Once beholden to the President, he is now beholden to 168 committee men and women. Duncan gets that.

Second, most of the criticisms against Mike Duncan are uninformed and misplaced. That the RNC did not function as it should have in 2008 had much more to do with the McCain campaign than anything the RNC did. It was the McCain campaign calling the shots and consuming the resources.

Many of the criticisms leveled at Mike Duncan have to do with the RNC’s failure to innovate in 2008 compared to Barack Obama. The RNC had in place and was ready to deploy the tools to innovate. Unfortunately, the McCain campaign opposed using the resources Duncan had committed.

Third, in key areas of vending and contracting at the RNC, many documents were signed before Mike Duncan could get a team in place. It may not be well known, but it is a fact that Duncan, by and large, had to live with decisions made before he got there.

In fact, there is only one area where Duncan could fully stretch his legs as Chairman of the Party unhindered by either a de facto party head in the White House and a Presidential campaign calling the shots — fundraising. In that area, Duncan thrived.

We believe Ken Blackwell would be an excellent, innovative choice for Chairman of the RNC who would run the party competently and conservatively. We encourage the 168 members of the RNC to vote for him. We are also mindful Mike Duncan has not really had a chance to stretch his legs and fully deploy his RNC team, given the dynamics of a Presidential campaign year.

If the members of the RNC will not support Blackwell, they should give Mike Duncan two years to be his own man.

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Almost sounds like a hostage negotiation...

mikefisk Monday, January 12th at 8:24AM EST (link)

“…give us Blackwell or… you’ll have to deal with Duncan for a couple more years!”

I’m taking the “if you’re not part of the solution…” approach with Duncan. He might be a perfectly competent Chairman. That being said, we can’t deal with a caretaker as Chairman, but should be figuring out ways to go on the offensive, lest we end up handing the Democrats a super-majority on a silver platter. In lieu of seeing that as part of Duncan’s nature at all as of yet, I’m really not confident in letting him keep the keys as the car goes off the cliff, even if the situation isn’t necessarily his fault.

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Good thoughts.

Mayhem Monday, January 12th at 8:25AM EST (link)

I think the Directors have found a very reasonable position on this issue. Whatever happens, I just want to get the decisions made and begin the fight. Let’s go.

“I reject your reality and substitute my own.”

I disagree...this ranks up there with endorsing Pawlenty as McGoo's VP pick the day before Palin was selected! nt

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:29PM EST (link)

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the party needs to change

Princeliberty Monday, January 12th at 8:39AM EST (link)

The Republican party needs to change.

Duncan is Bush’s guy and Blackwell has always played the good little soldier.

We need someone who be a force for bringing back principles and cleaning up corruption and the good ole boy mentallly from the party.

Steele has the best shot at being that man.

The party needs to catch up to 21st century campaign tactics.

However, the irony is that requires getting huge numbers of people fired up and involving.

You can only do that with ideas not games. So without a return to principles and reform the Republican party cannot comeback.

Princeliberty

Don't expect to change the party from the top down.

Brian Hibbert Monday, January 12th at 8:56AM EST (link)

The people at the top can influence the direction of the party and can help direct national resources where they think it is most needed (or waste the national level resources on failed initiatives). But they really don’t have the power to change the party.

That can only happen at the local level. It will happen we, the RedState regulars, start getting active locally and recruiting other like minded people to work locally. You and I will change this party, not the RNC chair.

That said, I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Blackwell. I think he would be a good public spokesman for the party and seems to understand that the party apparatus needs to focus on building new membership rather than relying on the current party members to carry the weight. We can’t win if we don’t grow.

Socialism doesn’t work. It looks nice on paper, but it’s been tried and it’s failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
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You are partially correct IMHO

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:35PM EST (link)

The change will come with us…but the powers that be at the top and who they are influence what we at the grass roots are allowed to do…if you look at Blackwell’s strategy the entire focus is returning things to the state and local party level where Barbour had it in 1994…right now it’s top down and no amount of work at the lower levels are going to have an immediate impact the way Blackwell would as RNC Chair because without the RNC leadership releasing power back to us it will take an insurgency decades in the making to dislodge them!

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Hey Princeliberty

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 10:07AM EST (link)

You never did tell us what you mean when you accuse the Republican party of being “deeply corrupt.”

Why don’t you back up such a vicious smear, hmm?

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Steele isn't as forcefull as Blackwell and his affiliations are in question nt

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:30PM EST (link)

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I agree on Blackwell.

mbecker908 Monday, January 12th at 8:44AM EST (link)

And I stand on my earlier diary, including the update, on Duncan.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Becker, I was won over by the facts. Thanks for being

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, January 12th at 10:09AM EST (link)

persistant

http://www.redstate.com/blog/2009/01/12/if-not-ken-blackwell-keep-mike-duncan/#comment-49035

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I agree with Blackwell BUT NOT with Duncan!

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 8:51AM EST (link)

I will not give one thin dime to the RNC if Duncan is back in the office and lets just say the reason someone gave above….he is Bush’s guy!

You did see the 12 traitors in the Senate who voted with Reid on Sunday right? this is what WE need to STOP doing. I will NOT settle for less than the BEST for our party and that is NOT Mike Duncan!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Amen Jaded and you know I defended Duncan somewhat before

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, January 12th at 10:08AM EST (link)

I love Blackwell and the reason I came to tip in his favor after backing Steele for months, was his Gamecock like response to Duncan’s vile attack on Saltsman over the Rush parody.

After Duncan did that, I could never support him. He used the left lie template on race against the GOP itself! He BROUGHT IT UP!

No way on Duncan.

In fact, Becker was right all along on the bottom line on Duncan!

here that Beck!

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You know, Jaded, you need a more diverse toolbox

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 10:09AM EST (link)

At some point the whole “not one dime” stuff gets a bit tired.

Don’t you think you need more ways of fighting for your cause than threatening to take your ball and go home?

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Actually not just to single you out...

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 10:17AM EST (link)

… but a lot of us have that attitude all too much. Our first thought is to threaten to quit when we don’t get our way.

The whole right online, all of us, need to work on that.

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Doesn't have to mean "take your ball and go home".

NightTwister Monday, January 12th at 10:23AM EST (link)

It could also mean putting your efforts (time, money, etc.) into other organizations that will better further conservative goals.

Such as? (nt)

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 10:43AM EST (link)

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Are you saying the RNC is the only organization that can further the conservative cause?..nt.

NightTwister Monday, January 12th at 11:10AM EST (link)

In getting people elected, yes. (nt)

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 11:13AM EST (link)

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I'll respectfully disagree...nt.

NightTwister Monday, January 12th at 11:43AM EST (link)

huh?

Mike Krempasky Monday, January 12th at 2:17PM EST (link)

I’m not sure what you mean. There are PLENTY of groups that contribute (directly as well as indirectly) to conservative electoral success.

Enough to exclude the party though?

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 2:20PM EST (link)

With all due respect I don’t buy that you can replace the party with outside groups and be anywhere near as effective.

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and keeping Duncan makes positive changes in the party, how?

randy streu Monday, January 12th at 2:49PM EST (link)

It doesn't change the party

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 2:52PM EST (link)

But change for change’s sake is an anti-conservative approach to take.

And it’s clear that the Directors aren’t convinced that Steele, Dawson, or Saltsman offer a positive change over Duncan.

Besides, the Directors addressed the issue of changing things, by pointing out that Duncan’s role changes once Bush ad McCain are out of the picture. He’ll no longer have those two breathing down his neck and tying his hands.

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It isn't change for the sake of change...

randy streu Monday, January 12th at 2:59PM EST (link)

People have outlined legitimate beefs with Duncan below this thread — not the least of which, for me, includes the simple fact that he had his shot. True, we had a Republican president, but that doesn’t account for those actions he’s taken — and failed to take — on behalf of the party.

.

A Kowalski...

randy streu Monday, January 12th at 3:04PM EST (link)

Admittedly, Conservatives are out for blood. We told the GOP this would happen. We begged. We pleaded and cajoled. We voted. It is time for change, and we want a cleansing.

That means from the top down, starting with Duncan.

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like directly into the campaigns of REAL Conservative candidates...

JLenardDetroit Monday, January 12th at 3:06PM EST (link)

… as well as organizations that pop up willing to run the advertisements we want to see… like “Let Freedom Ring” and others…..

(RS:Help) (JLD) (Conservative Candidates) (But She’s Latina) (Crist/Rubio) (torture EIT’s) (TEApeats) (Red-Dogs) (being respectful) (O FAIL) (Climate $cam) (Surrender doctrine) offsite: (9/11) (Articles)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Radical-In-Chief is NOT MY PRESIDENT!
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary here, is why)

 

like directly into the campaigns of REAL Conservative candidates...

JLenardDetroit Monday, January 12th at 3:06PM EST (link)

… as well as organizations that pop up willing to run the advertisements we want to see… like “Let Freedom Ring” and others…..

(RS:Help) (JLD) (Conservative Candidates) (But She’s Latina) (Crist/Rubio) (torture EIT’s) (TEApeats) (Red-Dogs) (being respectful) (O FAIL) (Climate $cam) (Surrender doctrine) offsite: (9/11) (Articles)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Radical-In-Chief is NOT MY PRESIDENT!
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary here, is why)

 

How about we concentrate on funding our State GOP machines.... local accountability (nt)

JLenardDetroit Monday, January 12th at 4:14PM EST (link)

nt

(RS:Help) (JLD) (Conservative Candidates) (But She’s Latina) (Crist/Rubio) (torture EIT’s) (TEApeats) (Red-Dogs) (being respectful) (O FAIL) (Climate $cam) (Surrender doctrine) offsite: (9/11) (Articles)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Radical-In-Chief is NOT MY PRESIDENT!
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary here, is why)

 

GOPAC and really Neil you are calling me out over where I would spend my money?

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 6:07PM EST (link)

I gave into you all and donated to McCain before he even picked Palin now I gave a lot more when he did BUT I always take my money and spend it where people are of LIKE mind I called the NRCC today and told them if they WANT me to stand with them against Pelosi in 2010 they needed to stand with me until 2010…..man I donated all around the RNC and NRCC this election cycle I donated in NC I donated in PA I donated to quite a few PAC’s BUT that is WHAT I HAVE my MONEY!

Let’s be clear about what these people understand MONEY and when they don’t have it anymore than they will start acting like CONSERVATIVES….perhaps they NEED to be disbanded and a REAL Conservative group can begin again. Sometimes life is like that!

But WOW really to call me out about how I spend my money is really funny because as you well know my voice is but one and my dollars are the way I make a difference and the RNC was well aware of that fact when they pulled up my account and I told them at the start of this that Steele would be the guy or they get NOTHING, however I have enjoyed a couple of the other fellows and will AGAIN give to the organization providing they pick anyone but Duncan and you only need see the link I provided below to see why…..he is President Bush’s and Karl Rove’s guy…..it’s over they are going HOME and WE need a CLEAN SWEEP!

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does not destroy him is his own enemy

 
 
 

Amen. nt

Vladimir Monday, January 12th at 10:27AM EST (link)

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No bodies quitting Neil...we're just not going to continue to...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:41PM EST (link)

buy the knife the RNC uses tu slit our throats…this is a war and I’m not paying the enemy to work against my interests!

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This is war, eh?

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 12:44PM EST (link)

Some of us are fighting Democrats.

You’re constantly picking fights within the Republican Party.

Huh. Some would call your position treason, if this were war.

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No...as Christy Todd Whitman, Bill Weld, and Pete Wilson are famous for saying every four years

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 2:55PM EST (link)

as they would launch a left wing jihad within the platform process…”We’re in a war for the soul of the Republican Party”…They and their kind have had their little insurgency against conservatives since Reagan and we’re only now starting to give as good as we’ve gotten!

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and it's about time...nt

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 2:56PM EST (link)

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Um, bad quote there Ace

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 2:56PM EST (link)

It wasn’t an RMSPer who said that about a war…

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I'm not sure what you mean Neil...I distinctly remember them doing and saying what I quoted

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:07PM EST (link)

during the 90s…every press outlet would be full of quotes from them about how the Republican Party needed to strip the pro life plank from the party platform and attacking SoCons with left wing spears…and Whitman, Weld and Wilson were chief among them.

If you’re pointing out those particular individuals aren’t in the RMSP then fine…the RMSP didn’t exist then and they aren’t in office now since the RMSP is made up mostly of elected squishes. They do represent the RMSP types I’m so busy griping about and they’re the problem we have as a party!

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It was Pat Buchanan who said that at the RNC

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 3:22PM EST (link)

*He* declared the war for the soul of the Republican Party on prime time national television. Not the pro-aborts. He did.

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that was 1992....and you are right...but Weld, Whitman and Wilson took it and ran with it...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:46PM EST (link)

Wilson and Spectors slimeing of Christians and SoCons make for some really juicy reading if you can stomach it!

The point is…the war was declared and Weld Whitman, Wilson, Danforth, and the rest of the Rockefeller crowd have gleefully participated in it. They’ve slimed and smeared Conservatives even after we swallowed our pride and principles and helped get them elected in the 90s…

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With that let's bring this back to my comment that got this started...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:49PM EST (link)

The war exists…and I acknowledged the war is going on. I don’t care who started it…My original statement had to do with the idea that I owe the RNC anything when they are busy working against me…

Again…why would I give them money to by the knife they will eventually use to slit my throat?!

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Because the war with the Democrats is more important (nt)

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 3:51PM EST (link)

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consider it two fronts in the same war Neil....

Attack Mode Monday, January 12th at 3:54PM EST (link)

Dems are part of an overt war….the Rinos are part of a covert insurgency.

I vote to deal with both the Dems and the insurgents.

Maybe we should just “let them go their way”.

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exactly right...

randy streu Monday, January 12th at 3:57PM EST (link)

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: winning by compromising your ideals isn’t winning. I don’t give two farts if the guy running things has an (R) next to his name; what I care about are the ideals and principles with which he governs.

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The Republicans I'm at war with are busy coluding with the Democrats

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:56PM EST (link)

How do you confront the enemy when your own people are busy shoving a bayonet in your back?

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Ahhh...Colluding nt

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:58PM EST (link)

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Had Lincoln gone to war with McClellan

David Hinz Monday, January 12th at 4:40PM EST (link)

instead of Grant, the North might not have ever won the Civil War. [Or the War of the Northern Agression] as it is known in some parts.

We need the right general to win against the Democrats [some to think of it -- its that same enemy]

great analogy...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 6:29PM EST (link)

not just McLellan, (Duncan), but McDowell, (Boehner), Burnside, (Blunt who reportedly is sneaking back into leadership), Hooker, (Cole), and Meade, (McConnell).

Every one of them can be defended based on great strengths…but where the rubber meets the road…they are losers to a man!

God help us all!

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In fact...read this little tidbit from Whitman in 1996 in Newsweek...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 3:41PM EST (link)

“”If you look at the statehouses, the people getting elected are not the extremists,” says Gov. Christine Todd Whitman of New Jersey, citing Bill Weld of Massachusetts and Pete Wilson of California, among others. “”Those who say you have to be in lock step — that’s not my party.”

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Wow. Really. *We're* picking fights with the Republican Party.

NightTwister Monday, January 12th at 3:19PM EST (link)

Fighting element within the Republican party who constantly pick fights with people within the Republican party is NOT treason

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 10:25AM EST (link)

FIghting traitors is NOT treasonous.

I don’t like the word “treason” in this context, but since you used it . . .


 
 
 
 

How about one red cent? nt

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:40PM EST (link)

:>)

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Wait...isn't that Backwards

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:38PM EST (link)

…I thought it was twelve who voted to kill the lands bill and the rest of the clubbers voted for it?

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I agree with Jaded

AHALgal Monday, January 12th at 2:30PM EST (link)

I give money to a variety of conservative causes. I support Blackwell. If Duncan gets back in, I’m cutting the RNC off for the duration of his term.

I’m disappointed Red State is giving him the benefit of the doubt because he failed to stand up to the McCain campaign. I’m also disappointed Red State gives Duncan the benefit of the doubt over some pity story that his hands were tied.

It’s a new day. It’s time for new blood. If Duncan cared to see the obvious, he wouldn’t expect to run for another term.

Amen...all I see is more excuse making which is all Duncan has ever given us...nt

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Huh? Nuts?!

IJB Monday, January 12th at 10:34AM EST (link)

You have four other candidates, and you think none of them can do a better job than Duncan?!

At getting the message out?!

On organization?!

On technology?!

You think Duncan’s better than Anuzis? Than Katon Dawson? Even than Steele (who I don’t support, though I can at least see a reason why some do)?

This is a weasel second endorsement IMO. I can’t believe all the Directors signed on for this. If they didn’t, I’d like to hear the Minority dissent.

Believe it (nt)

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Then, "Boooooo. Boooooo." (nt)

IJB Monday, January 12th at 10:43AM EST (link)
 
 

Hmm.... Duncan....

scottbomb Monday, January 12th at 11:29AM EST (link)

And 4 to 8 more years of what got us to where we’re at today? No thanks! I’m with Jaded, IJB, NightTwister, and Gamecock. I’ve had enough.

I got my GOP renewal beg letter last week. It goes in the trash if Duncan is the pick.

We can always support our candidate(s) directly.

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grassroots activism

David Hinz Monday, January 12th at 11:50AM EST (link)

You're going to monitor 400+ Congressional races? (nt)

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Nope, just mine.

scottbomb Monday, January 12th at 1:25PM EST (link)

And last I checked, my district is in good hands (Kenny Marchant, with Jeb Hensarling right across town).

I think it was Friday when Rush said he had a “spy” at a top GOP gathering where they were talking about how important it is to keep the party in the hands of “Northeastern [Read: liberal] Republicans”. Obviously the “leadership” hasn’t learned a thing. I don’t give money to people who are flipping me off.

Senators: I can keep up with two and I like ‘em both.

Gov: Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison has started an exploratory committee. Her solicitation letter is on my desk as I ponder the idea of her in Austin vs. Washington…..

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Dissapointing Commentary from the Directors

jonflash Monday, January 12th at 11:31AM EST (link)

After RedState’s emphatic and influential endorsement of Ken Blackwell, to pull the rug out from under your own endorsement is really unfortunate.

I humbly suggest that the Directors of the Red State step back and truly ask what kind of a message the party would be sending to its own donors and activists by re-electing the incumbent Chairman - President Bush’s man.

SINCE McCain lost (and then presumably Duncan was “free” to be his own man) — he FAILED to speak out against the Wall Street bail out.
– he FAILED to speak out against the U.S. Automakers bail out.
– he FAILED to publicly counsel Senate and House GOPers to get NEW leaders.
– he FAILED to express any concern about the House GOP Conference rejecting an earmark moratorium.
– he has now FAILED to call out House Republican Leader John Boehner for installing Roy Blunt BACK into leadership after Blunt supposedly took the trip to the back bench to atone for the sins of leadership.

The party needs new aggressive RNC leadership that is willing to acknowledge that electing Republicans is not our goal, but a means to our goal which is enacting GOP policy.

We won the WH, Senate and House this decade, and presided over big spending when we had it all.

Part of the new paradigm must include an aggressive boldly conservative Chairman — like a Ken Blackwell.

RedState’s message about Duncan is so off track. I was disappointed to read it.

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5s to infinity...though you left out Duncan's smear of a fellow Republican as a racist!

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 12:47PM EST (link)

We can no longer put up with our leadership using leftist smears to trash other Republicans while they demand we live by the 11th commandment at the same time…

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55555 - amen - nt

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I totally agree vsv Blackwell bur couldn't disagree more vsv Duncan

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 11:36AM EST (link)

First, Mike Duncan did not arrive at the RNC until 2007. During that year, whether you like it or not, Mike Duncan’s job was not about getting Republicans elected. It was about bolstering the President.

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disregard this I posted it before I finished nt

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Blackwell gets my support

Maggie_in_Indiana Monday, January 12th at 11:46AM EST (link)

as well. The opposition to Duncan comes I think mostly by the reason’s you describe but also for the desire for a fresh new face and ideas. Honestly though if he would continue on as he has then we will have wasted 2 years and squandered the opportunity to have a more bold leader and the fresh start the party needs.

Who’s the third choice?

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I totally agree vsv Blackwell bur couldn't disagree more vsv Duncan

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 11:56AM EST (link)

First, Mike Duncan did not arrive at the RNC until 2007. During that year, whether you like it or not, Mike Duncan’s job was not about getting Republicans elected. It was about bolstering the President.

If this was his primary job he failed since Bush has suffered with his approval ratings in the teens and twenties for the bulk of Duncan’s tenure!

Second, most of the criticisms against Mike Duncan are uninformed and misplaced. That the RNC did not function as it should have in 2008 had much more to do with the McCain campaign than anything the RNC did. It was the McCain campaign calling the shots and consuming the resources.

Fair enough…we all know what a miserable failure McCain and his crew were…but John McCain didn’t force Duncan to go out and declare the 2008 elections lost before the races even started and whine the rest of the time about how terrible the climate was for Republicans and moan about the fact that no one wanted to poor their hard earned money into an election that the RNC chair had declared lost from the get go.

we share the concern that Duncan is not a particularly compelling TV spokesman for the party.

This is a huge understatemetn… he’s not only less than compelling as a TV Spokesman for the party…he’s been AWOL since he became chaiman!

Given the PR disaster of declaring our imminent defeat in the 2008 elections and the fact that no one even knew Mike Duncan ever existed until after the 2008 elections were over are enough to disqualify him!

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Okay, I get it.

The_Gadfly Monday, January 12th at 12:44PM EST (link)

You think Blackwell isn’t going to win on the first ballot, and eventually Duncan does, and you need to keep lines of communication open. Sorry, wrong answer. Fight for what you believe in until you lose, don’t pre-emptively surrender-that’s what keeps putting us in bad positions in the first place. If you are that desperate to keep lines of communication open, let one person descent from the Blackwell endorsement and let him keep the line open.

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Amen...that's what I think happened on the Pawlenty cave for VP! nt

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has RS been hacked by someone claiming to be "Directors"?

JLenardDetroit Monday, January 12th at 2:56PM EST (link)

must be the explanation… cuz I checked the calendar and I hadn’t slept until April 1st….

Keep Duncan may as well ask John McCain do it then

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Did you even read the post?

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 2:57PM EST (link)

Do you have an actual rebuttal for the points made?

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McCain Campaign and RNC

humboldt Monday, January 12th at 3:12PM EST (link)

Can anyone provide an example of something the RNC under Duncan wanted to do but was overruled by the campaign? Any examples of things they opposed doing but were forced into by the campaign?

And separately, do I understand correctly the suggestion that the role of the party chairman should be an idealogical one who should enforce a legislative agenda on candidates and officeholders? How does this work with a 50 state strategy which has also been pushed here which by its very nature means that candidates need idealogical and tempramental differences among them within the party?

Yeah ... I'm curious about this too. [nt]

Martin Knight Monday, January 12th at 5:18PM EST (link)



 To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
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I agree wholeheartedly on Blackwell - I'm still not sold on Duncan ...

Martin Knight Monday, January 12th at 4:26PM EST (link)

… but I’ll defer to Erick and Co. if indeed Duncan is picked by his *colleagues* to retain his position even while noting his crowing over Chambliss and Cao was idiotic. I’ll give him a fair chance and my support. The reality is that it does us no good to condemn him to failure in advance and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy by a wholesale refusal to cooperate with him.

By the way this;

First, Mike Duncan did not arrive at the RNC until 2007. During that year, whether you like it or not, Mike Duncan’s job was not about getting Republicans elected. It was about bolstering the President (Bush).

… is - along with the point that Mike Duncan is bound to be the beneficiary of the “one of us” syndrome - the reason why I wrote this a while back.

The Chairman of the RNC needs to be selected by the base, independently of the President. This not only would have freed Duncan from having to follow the President’s “New Tone” lead, it would have enabled him to tell McCain to go pound sand as well as file suit against McCain-Feingold back when it would have made a difference.

SIDENOTE: That McCain could demand that the RNC spend money (thanks to the fact that he couldn’t raise any himself) on him with a straight face after he, more than anyone else, deliberately hamstrung the party’s fundraising ability … @#&! I thought money was a corrupting influence? What changed his mind? Or maybe it corrupts everyone except for the Great Bipartisan Maverick himself?

As for Blackwell, the fact of the matter is that his “Plan” is the best hands down - Saul Anuzis’ Blueprint is excellent but it comes a clear second with Dawson’s coming a distant third. For that alone, and the impressive talent he’s managed to surround himself with, Blackwell deserves to be given the top spot by the 168. He’s earned it.



 To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
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So why not support Blackwell wholeheartedly and keep Red States fingerprints off of Duncan II?

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 7:15PM EST (link)

All I’m seeing here in defense of Duncan is excuses…that’s all he’s offered us….excuses…

  1. It’s a Democrat year and Republicans don’t have a chance
  2. We can’t raise enough money, (I wonder why since it’s a Democrat year and Republicans don’t have a chance by your own admission)!
  3. We have an unpopular President

And now it’s:

  1. whether you like it or not, Mike Duncan’s job was not about getting Republicans elected. It was about bolstering the President. (Bush has the lowest approval ratings in history so how did he do there?)
  2. It was the McCain campaign calling the shots and consuming the resources.
  3. The RNC had, (inovations), in place and was ready to deploy the tools to innovate. Unfortunately, the McCain campaign opposed using the resources Duncan had committed. (OK…what were they and what can we expect going forward…I haven’t heard anything about that…must be the McCain Campaign mucking up the vaunted Duncan Message Machine)
  4. …in key areas of vending and contracting at the RNC, many documents were signed before Mike Duncan could get a team in place. It may not be well known, but it is a fact that Duncan, by and large, had to live with decisions made before he got there. (and one assumes he did little to change any of it!)
  5. there is only one area where Duncan could fully stretch his legs as Chairman of the Party…fundraising. In that area, Duncan thrived. (Not any more I’ll bet…that sound you hear are checkbooks closing)!

All I see are excuses and little about what he’ll do going forward…and finally the directors say this:

If the members of the RNC will not support Blackwell, they should give Mike Duncan two years to be his own man.

Apparently the 168 RNC members won’t give Blackwell their support because they’ve already sold out to Duncan…so what’s the point of even saying this?! All I see here is the directors trying to have their cake and eat it too with all due respect and I don’t know what that will get them because they’ve pissed us off by even considering Duncan as viable…and they won’t curry any favor with the Duncan camp because they endorsed Blackwell ahead of Duncan…RS should have kept it’s fingerprints off this because I don’t see what was accomplished…either you support Blackwell or you don’t

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Or my take:

Endorse or endorse not there is no “but if not, Duncan’s OK since he’s gonna win anyway!

I watch Duncan work and I see Wile E Coyote working away with his “Acme build it book” and I just know he’s gonna get creamed by the Road Runner, (the Democrats), yet again! or the Co Co Puffs bunny just about to get the spoon into his mouth just before the roof falls in on his head!

We’re so screwed!

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I am going to add my dissapointment with RS

Mark Malcolm Monday, January 12th at 4:39PM EST (link)

to the long list here for the very good reasons already mentioned above. This is the same tote the party water line we got during the presidential campaign and look what that got us. Please print a retraction of the Duncan endorsement portion. Show the moderates how to admit an error when one is uncovered or pointed out please. I’ll have much, much, more respect for The Directors than if they continue down the ‘Duncan is okay with us’ path.

I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.

 

Here is what I am wondering.

birdmojo Monday, January 12th at 4:46PM EST (link)

Out of the folks running, I’m guessing that Blackwell is the best when it comes to pro-life issues followed by Duncan.

The other folks are squishes at best and “pro-choice” at worst.

Is this an accurate guess on my part?

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No Bird you are wrong actually....

Attack Mode Monday, January 12th at 5:03PM EST (link)

Dawson, Saltzman, and Anuzis are all pro-life.

I hate to break my streak of agreements with you but this time you are incorrect.

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I was legit wondering.

birdmojo Monday, January 12th at 5:09PM EST (link)

I honestly didn’t know.

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That's cool Bird...

Attack Mode Monday, January 12th at 5:16PM EST (link)

but the problem is that you made an assumption wrt the reasons for the Directors support…this makes it sound like you were pigeon holing the Directors…really not a good way to start a question.

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Oh, I probably was.

birdmojo Monday, January 12th at 5:42PM EST (link)

My assumption was that the unstated reason to support these two over the other three was the Life issue (and that was probably exacerbated by the responses to those who see Duncan as part of the problem).

Now that I know that all five guys are pro-life, I have to say that I, too, am scratching my head over the Duncan semi-endorsement. 2008 was the worst routing since Reagan in ‘84… and “being second only to Reagan in ‘84″ is not high praise under these circumstances.

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Honestly Bird after the debate I was torn....

Attack Mode Monday, January 12th at 5:55PM EST (link)

I felt that Anuzis gave the best answers about how to actually enact the changes we need in the RNC, Duncan, in my opinion came in second.

Maybe it is true that Duncan, unencumbered by the Bush admin adn McCain campaigns, could be a great RNC Chair….I don’t know.

At this point I think the best option would be Anuzis for the CIO position, if created, and Blackwell for the actuall RNC Chair.

I also think that is might be a good idea to have a dual head at the RNC, possibly a Blackwell/Duncan co chairmanship, Duncan could handle the money and Blackwell the philosophy and infrastructure. Even in this scenario I think have Anuzis as the CIO would be a good idea. This way we could really use the strengths of all three in order to build the strength of the whole organization.

But, alas my sphere of influence is limited to myself and my 9 month old daughter, with some veto power with my Wife…..;^)

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I'll defer to your expertise.

birdmojo Monday, January 12th at 6:07PM EST (link)

I do hope that the Republicans win the House back, and quickly.

I’m just of the opinion that “not the guy who was in charge of the RNC when McCain lost” would be a better choice than the alternative… and the arguments in Duncan’s favor don’t strike me as more moving than the argument that you should look at what happened in 2008 under the guy.

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I don't see a diussion "For" Duncan...again it's a list of excuses! nt

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If you haven't read Blackwell's plan AG...you need to

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 7:25PM EST (link)

I agree and Saul gave better answers and I could care less what Duncan said but if you look at the specific plans…(As far as I know Duncan has none because I haven’t seen it)…Blackwell has a plan to break things up in washington and send it back to the preceinct and district levels where the real energy and ideas are!

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It doesn't even make sense because the stated reason for endorsinf Duncan is because the 168 voters won't vote for Blackwell because they already support Duncan...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 7:21PM EST (link)

talk about circular reasoning!

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Yeah right, you're just trolling

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 7:41PM EST (link)

We know your antipathy for people whose primary cause is to prevent the bloody butchery of innocent babies, because you find bareback sodomy and homegrown doobies to be a higher priority, but some of us actually want to build a coalition rather than snipe like you do.

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Ah, hello Neil.

birdmojo Monday, January 12th at 8:13PM EST (link)

Actually, my antipathy is towards people who think that the government should have enough power to tell me how to live.

Believe it or not, this puts me at odds with The Left even more often than it puts me at odds with The Right.

I do have a theory for how people ought to live but I also know that my world view isn’t one that people are “hip” to anymore. I’m reconciled to the fact that people think that they should have the right to vote for money to be taken from me to pay for a group of people whose job it is to kick down my door and arrest me for consensual acts. People on the right and on the left suffer from that idea.

It strikes me as somewhat surprising that the right wants the government to have that much power though… I mean, even as Obama is practicing his inaugural speech, you still think that the government should have enough power to do that and the problem is *MINE* for disagreeing… as if a different opinion on my part would have resulted in “the right” people kicking down my door rather than the wrong ones.

In any case, my current opinion is that the Republicans need to build a coalition of Social Conservatives, Defense Conservatives, and Fiscal Conservatives.

Moreover, it’s my opinion that if they fail to build this coalition, they will find themselves out of power for a good long while… and, believe it or not, I see this as a *BAD* thing. Not because I am a Republican (I’m not) but because I think that gridlock is the best that I can hope for domestically.

What I see the Republican Leaders doing is, in my opinion, going to result in not only *NOT* regaining power but has a good shot at completely alienating the Fiscal Conservatives which will result in a loss of more House/Senate seats.

Since my goal is gridlock (which, may I point out again, requires Republicans winning seats in the House/Senate) it currently agrees with your goal (which, I presume, is preventing the bloody butchery of innocent babies, bareback sodomy, and homegrown doobies), I am giving advice that I think would result in the Republicans winning seats… and I will worry about Republican overreach once again when the Republicans have enough power to overreach again.

But, at this point in time, I see you giving secondary (but, granted, not primary) support to the guy who was at the helm of the RNC when the Republican Party was trounced by the worst margins in its history.

This strikes me as a recipe for the Democrats to gain power.

As such, I oppose it.

And, again, I’m scratching my head as to why you support it. “Don’t change horses in midstream” doesn’t seem a response that takes the results of the last election into account.

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Birdmojo, while I am sympathetic to your line of argument and often find myself in agreement with you

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 10:38AM EST (link)

you have to realize that the “government forcing beliefs onto me” argument ultimately rings hollow.

Libertarians can be just as arbitrary in determining when particular philosophical precepts should have the force of law instead of merely being the moral code of the individual.

Everyone (except true communists) admit that the law should not and cannot prohibit all behavior that we think is bad. All serious thinkers agree that law has to permit some behavior that we would think of as bad, sinful, and some cases evil (see 7 deadly sins). The challenge is in determining where to draw the line and on what basis.

This country was founded on the principles espoused by John Locke. Life. Liberty. Property.

The order was not accidental.

You can disagree with pro-lifers in considering when human life or “personhood” begins. However, you cannot seriously contend that laws protect the life of human persons is an infringement of freedom.

We do not subscribe to the law of the jungle.


Jsobieski, I think everyone is pretty much missing Bird's overall point...

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 10:47AM EST (link)

It is not that he feels this or that or the other thing should be illegal or legal, rather it is the giving of power to the federal government to enforce those laws. How much power should be given to the federal government, how much leeway should be given to them in order to enforce those laws.

His argument is about limiting the federal government, not allow outright debauchery for it’s own sake.

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No, I don't think I am missing the point

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 10:52AM EST (link)

Pro-lifers are NOT for the most part arguing on the enforcement side of the ledger, given that abortion is legal.

When abortion was illegal, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, state police, etc. did not make a habit out of conducting undercover operations, parsing through medical records, etc.

Techniques for enforcing laws are distinct from what the law should be.

Murder is illegal in every state. Each state has different rules that can make it relatively easier or harder to enforce the law. Murders occur every day despite being illegal because laws also protect freedom, and freedom provides the opportunity to commit crimes.

So no, I understand Bird’s argument pretty well. I just think it is (1) premature (2) an inadvertant dodge.

Nobody is proposing a new law enforcement agency with unprecedented power to constrain abortions. Nobody.

Beating up a straw man does not make one strong and it is not a sign of bravery.


Jsobieski...I wasn't really saying you missed his point...

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 11:02AM EST (link)

What I should have said is that many are missing his point. The point being that just about any expansion of the Federal Government ends up with more enforcement which rarely actually changes the behavior in a positive way.

I am for a federalist approach to government. If it ain’t enumerated in the Constitution then it belongs to the states. PERIOD. At least then people could vote with their feet. Unfortunately the Federal beast has grown to an uncontrollable size and Federalism is a near impossibility.

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I think we all agree on the point of government being to big, especially the federal government

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 11:14AM EST (link)

However, if you have a link to showing someone arguing for new law enforcement powers due to abortions, please feel free to share. Otherwise, its a straw man that applies to any illegal behavior..


Yeah it is a strawman to some extent....

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 11:24AM EST (link)

but that strawman gets a lot more solid when committed leftist take the reigns of gov’t and now have expanded powers due to some R’s not holding the line on a limited federal gov’t.

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If you believe that leftists will push for an aggressive new law enforcement agency for the purposes of stopping abortion, we can discuss that possibility

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 11:41AM EST (link)

otherwise, the issue is kind of moot, isn’t it.

Maybe we should start marching in the streets in anticipation of stopping the next attempt to introduct prohibition, along with accompanying law enforcement powers?

Getting into a discussion about government abuses of power in the context of laws prohibiting abortion is to approach the abortion issue like a leftist.

Notice how such concerns never pop up in the context of gun control, global warming, complex tax codes, etc.

Resist the left, don’t adopt their argument technique.

Republicans against comprehensive immigration reform are NOT racists.
Republicans in favor the 2nd Amendment do NOT support armed miliias roaming the streets.
Pro-lifers who favor pro-life legistation do NOT support giving expanded police powers to conduct searches, evesdrop, etc.


I hear you Jsobieski....

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 11:54AM EST (link)

but my point is that regardless of the issue for which we decide to give control to the gov’t it sets precedent for power being given to the fed gov’t…when the pendulum swings and we are no longer in control of the levers of power, as is the case now, we can’t then reign that power back in just because our guys are no longer wielding it. Just like the TARP…our guys on the hill sold out….now Obama is gonna make everyone pay, and big time, that little expansion will cost us greatly, but there is really no way to stop it now.

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

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I agree with you on all points, I just find the emphasis on the general creepiness of increased government when raised in the context of an abortion debate is the most feeble of straw men

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 12:52PM EST (link)

I agree with you on all points, I just find the emphasis on the general creepiness of increased government when raised in the context of an abortion debate is the most feeble of straw men

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 12:52PM EST (link)
 
 
 
 
 

Allow me to restate this regarding abortion...

birdmojo Tuesday, January 13th at 1:23PM EST (link)

I am *NOT* arguing that the Republicans need to lighten up on the abortion thing if they want to win elections.

I think that them doing so will result in them losing even more elections.

It is neither in my short-term interest nor my long-term interest for the Republicans to drop the Life issue and I am not saying that they should.

I have my own opinions on the Life issue and why the Pro-lifers weird me out (you say “strawman” when I have demonstrated that there are people out there who argue that we have a template in Child Protective Services. Indeed, the other day we had a front-paged diary from a congressman who talked about having submitted a law that would have the additional consequences of IUDs and Plan B (and perhaps even The Pill) being made illegal. I am not making these things up in order to demonstrate the strength of my rhetorical position). I’ve also talked about why the Pro-choicers weird me out but I assume that we’re all already down with why they’re creepy.

I am not arguing that the Republicans should give up on the Life position.

I am, however, arguing that a Life position without a commensurately strong Fiscally conservative position is not a recipe for winning elections but is instead a recipe for losing them… as is a strong Fiscally conservative position without a strong Life position.

I do not argue that the Republicans need to be more like me. Why would I? They’d cease to be Republicans.

Instead I’m arguing that they need to be more like Republicans and less like Socially Conservative populists who never got around to reading Locke.

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I am *NOT* subscribing to the law of the jungle.

birdmojo Tuesday, January 13th at 1:14PM EST (link)

But I also have my eyes open.

Every time the Republicans have said “You have to understand, the amendments don’t mean *THAT*, freedom only works with a moral people, we need to have a framework to deal with the fallen nature of man, etc”, it has resulted in more government that the Republicans then lose control over and hand over to the Democrats who have a decidedly different idea what what the fallen nature of man actually is and what morality really entails.

And so we have homeschoolers arrested for child abuse, homsexuality being just another lifestyle choice being taught in public school health classes, and abortion on demand.

When Bush took over the White House and he had a House and a Senate with majority Republican votes, what happened?

The government grew and the abortion issue remains unchanged, despite your ideals.

The government grew and abortion is still available on demand.

Moreover, the Democrats now have swept the House, Senate, and White House… and nothing has changed… except for the new government tools created with the best of intentions by moral people are now in the hands of the Democrats who, may I point out, have just *THIS* close to having an unfilibusterable majority in the Senate.

In exchange for you trading away more and more of your own (and, more importantly, other people’s) liberty, you have a feast of ashes.

Whenever you explain that the constitution doesn’t mean what it says because surely the fathers couldn’t have foreseen this, that, or the other, it doesn’t result in your goals being closer to being reached by one micrometer… because the democrats say “GREAT! WE AGREE!!!” and then shout “FREE HEALTH CARE!!!” or take the guns away from hunters for The Children or no smoking in bars or what have you and all you have made yourself a modern-day Esau with little more than a mess of pottage in your hands… wondering what happened to your birthright.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire

I know you are not arguing for law of the jungle

JSobieski Tuesday, January 13th at 1:25PM EST (link)

I am not arguing that the constitution doesn’t mean what it says. Since when does arguing pro-life mean such a conclusion? It is the pro-choice crowd whose argument is based on a made-up constitutional right.

I am saying that there is nothing inherently unconstitutional or extra-constitutional about protecting the live of human beings in the jurisdiction of the United States. Particularly if such protectrion is simply allowing states to either protect or not protect such life.

As you know, I agree with you much of the time. I am just not persuaded by the parade of horribles in the context ofthe abortion debate where there is literally no interest group interested in sending police officers of hospital rooms all over the country to enforce abortion laws.

Give the poltiics of abortion, your concerns are so far from a possibility that it is not worth discussing.

Pro-lifers could abandon the pro-life issue and we would still have a massive problem with ever growing government.

Life.

Liberty.

Property.

We cannot yield on life in order to obtain some illusory advantage in the health care debate.

An unborn child is either entitled to rights unde the law or they are not.

Abandoning the life issue is not going to impact the debate on any other issue in a positive direction.

I am in favor of a constitutional amendment protecting life BECAUSE the constitution is silent on the issue.


 
 
 
 

In the mean time while you are trolling Bird the Recommended list still doesn't work correctly....

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 9:10AM EST (link)

Seems to me you have better things to do with your time than to wait around for Bird to post a comment….if he is truly a troll just ask Erick or Moe to get rid of him Neil….until then why don’t you just let it go.

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Your concerns are read and noted (nt)

Neil Stevens Tuesday, January 13th at 9:21AM EST (link)

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Next time just say "piss off" and save yourself the keystrokes...nt

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 9:42AM EST (link)

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

But that's not what I mean

Neil Stevens Tuesday, January 13th at 9:44AM EST (link)

There’s no hostility on my end here. I’m just not really open to debating this. I also don’t want to stifle you.

But further complaints about my posting with respect to birdmojo should probably go to the contact form.

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Here's the deal Neil...

Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 9:52AM EST (link)

With all due respect, and I do respect you, the problem I have is that the discussion I was having with Bird was productive until you decided to come in and call him a troll. This has happened a few times now and that is what bothers me.

As far as complaints about your posts, I am not trying to call the principal on you, rather I am trying to let you know that what you are doing is not productive. Also, if you have problems with Bird’s post can’t you also use the contact form to address your concerns to the directors instead of making an effort to “troll” him..

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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So the RedState Directors are arguing that if not Ken Blackwell, then Mike Duncan !?!?!?!?

ZootSuit Monday, January 12th at 5:35PM EST (link)

Sorry, I must have typed into the Bizarro RedState website again.

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amen Zoot - nt

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yup, I like Blackwell best, but would also go for Steele

kyle8 Monday, January 12th at 6:46PM EST (link)

Duncan is a non starter, we need a break with the past

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Hey Directors come here.....

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 5:59PM EST (link)

Your second choice is the ONLY dissenting voice for RNC Chair against a resolution by Conservatives through the RNC to call Bush out on his Socialism…..the ONLY ONE!

http://janeqrepublican.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/rncs-bush-rebellion-necessary/

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You got that right jaded

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 7:35PM EST (link)

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Funny isn't it that he would be the only ONE....

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:39PM EST (link)

pathetic and a Bush lapdog……another “compassionate” conservative….heck I listen to Fred Grandy in the morning and I had NEVER heard him call himself that to this morning SO I will listen to my CD’s on the way to work…..though I have to admit I should have know it I would disagree with him everytime I called in and would agree with his sidekick Andy….I am sick of “compassionate” conservative AS IF WE are not compassionate because we are Conservative these idiots have to qualify!

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The thing is, Jaded, he's not running for office (nt)

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 7:40PM EST (link)

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I know BUT he will be inserting MONEY into races!

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:42PM EST (link)

and that is equally as important because if Duncan does not believe what I believe in than he is equally as likely to send my money to someone like Chaffe OH YEAH that’s right they did that!

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Not true at all Jaded

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 7:45PM EST (link)

If you’d read the Directors’ post you’d know that Duncan only became Chairman in 2007. So he wasn’t in position to give a dime to the former Senator’s Son who inherited his seat like Algore did only in Rhode Island instead of Tennessee.

Besides, I think you mean the NRSC anyway, which was headed by the former Sen. Dole who was a total letdown from the former holder of her seat.

The NRSC and RNC are totally different bodies.

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Neil I didn't say Duncan did it I said "they" did that...

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:49PM EST (link)

meaning the RNC gave money to insert themselves in elections of which the candidate in which they supported were not of LIKE MIND with me……and in that Duncan who I am NOT of like mind with will do the SAME as the head of the RNC.

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Did the RNC even do it though?

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 7:50PM EST (link)

I know the NRSC was all-in behind Chafee, but do you have a cite for the RNC getting involved?

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Yes I Direct Messaged Saul and he said....

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:55PM EST (link)

the RNC does not give directly to the candidate they supply the money to the NRSC in a primary battle and he would do the same and I told him that is NOT a winning strategy at getting funds…..I was pretty sure I put that in a comment on another diary about the RNC Chair battle!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

 
 

let me kowalski and say I always read every word of a diary I will comment on...nt

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:51PM EST (link)

….

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Then you're more disciplined at that than I am :-) (nt)

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 7:51PM EST (link)

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It's kewl Neil I don't want to argue with you over Duncan....

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 7:57PM EST (link)

I personally do not like him and I am praying he loses I swear I could take anyone of the others I just don’t like his go along to get along type of leadership and I believe you all have covered that in your post…..interestingly enough that is exactly how I saw him in the first place….I have HAD enough of that!

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Well here's the thing though

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 8:02PM EST (link)

Duncan may be everything I said, but who’s better for the Directors to endorse after Blackwell?

Steele, who gives off signs of being a squish himself? Saltsman who ran the divisive Huck campaign? Dawson about whom we’ll never hear the end of his having been in a country club? Anuzis whom I loathe to speak against because he posts here all hte time, but whose state party isn’t in very good shape after his leadership?

Personally I make no endorsement at all. They all have their flaws.

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How about that Neil...

JadedByPolitics Monday, January 12th at 9:36PM EST (link)

They are all imperfect human beings and being one myself I STILL think I should be able to pick the LEAST loathsome to me and that guy is Duncan…it won’t change EVEN knowing he is indeed imperfect :-)

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Why even go there Neil...

AceInTX Monday, January 12th at 9:46PM EST (link)

Duncan may be everything I said, but who’s better for the Directors to endorse after Blackwell?

Why endorse anyone after Blackwell…Why not say blackwell is our guy period…and leave it at that?

I really don’t get this post and I don’t think it was very well thought out…This post starts out by saying we endorse Blackwell but Duncan looks like he’s gonna win the majority of the 168 people who will be voting…it then gives a list of reasons why that wouldn’t be such a bad thing…(Though I think it is just making excuses for Duncan as I’ve said above)…then it says…so the 168 voters should look at Duncan…as if the OP didn’t already say they were already voting for Duncan anyway…

It’s circular reasoning and it’s mind numbing…I’m not well liked among the directors I’m told and this won’t win me any points either but this all comes off as a “Quick, let’s jump on the bandwagon before it leaves the parking lot” pile on!

Duncan had his moment in the Sun and if the Directors think Blackwell is the right man for the Job then say it and leave it at that…this just looks like a last minute pander to stay in Duncan’s good graces since it looks like he’ll win!

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There's one reason why

Neil Stevens Monday, January 12th at 9:51PM EST (link)

This election is likely to go past the first ballot, and you never know who will drop out after the first one or two.

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Then wait for the second ballot and then endorse the other choice

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:28AM EST (link)

besides…the directors said Duncan has it so why go to all the effort to recommend that the voters look to Duncan?

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test

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:32AM EST (link)


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test 3

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:35AM EST (link)

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Test 4

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:40AM EST (link)

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Test 5

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:44AM EST (link)

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Test 6

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:46AM EST (link)

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Test 7

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 1:28AM EST (link)

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We got our kesters kicked

baserunr Tuesday, January 13th at 12:05AM EST (link)

in the last 2 elections, and managed to get the least-qualified and most-liberal major party candidate ever nominated elected as POTUS for the opposition party. We managed to lose controlling majorities in both the House and the Senate. And so, as a result, the changes we should make are:

Keep the same guy in charge of our side of the House,
Keep the same guy in charge of our side of the Senate, and
Keep the same guy in charge of the Party, (if a guy we like, who might not win, in fact loses.)

This sounds like the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

Actually, the two who have caused a lot of the problem...

bs Tuesday, January 13th at 12:09AM EST (link)

…are gone: President Bush and John McCain (who is still in the Senate, but is no longer a POTUS candidate and hopefully never again will be). The results of the 2008 election had a lot to do with GWB. He’s gone. That’s a huge change right there.

We’re dealing with politicians here, not a sports team. It’s not like we can just go fire the whole coaching staff and hire new ones. It doesn’t work that way.


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We can't even get them to slow down the bailout fever anyway so...

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 1:06AM EST (link)

what the hell…let’s just roll over and give up!

Attempted Suicide

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Just kidding...but I can't say it's not tempting

AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 1:07AM EST (link)

Celebration Dance

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I would agree that

baserunr Tuesday, January 13th at 12:14PM EST (link)

having GWB &McCain out is a start. The country wanted this nebulous “change”, and so now its here. But the leadership has failed, repeatedly, and there needs to be a consequence. We’re not even rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic here. We’re plowing ahead, and seeming to the public and many party members as though we’re oblivious to the icebergs all around. Some new folks at the helm, at least shouting “ICEBERG!” would be an improvement. Otherwise, like the Titanic, conservatives may be sunk.

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

 
 
 

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