Section 18 USC 713[4] Arrest Obama Now
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May I direct your attention to: (in regards to this image)
Sec. 713. Use of likenesses of the great seal of the United States,
the seals of the President and Vice President, the seal of the
United States Senate, the seal of the United States House of
Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress
(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(c) Whoever, except as directed by the United States Senate, or the Secretary of the Senate on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States Senate, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(d) Whoever, except as directed by the United States House of Representatives, or the Clerk of the House of Representatives on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(e) Whoever, except as directed by the United States Congress, or the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives, acting jointly on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States Congress, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(f) A violation of the provisions of this section may be enjoined at the suit of the Attorney General, (1) in the case of the great seal of the United States and the seals of the President and Vice President, upon complaint by any authorized representative of any department or agency of the United States; (2) in the case of the seal of the United States Senate, upon complaint by the Secretary of the Senate; (3) in the case of the seal of the United States House of Representatives, upon complaint by the Clerk of the House of Representatives; and (4) in the case of the seal of the United States Congress, upon complaint by the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives, acting jointly.
EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1971 AMENDMENT
Section 3 of Pub. L. 91-651 provided that: The amendments made by this Act [amending this section] shall not make unlawful any preexisting use of the design of the great seal of the United States or of the seals of the President or Vice President of the United States that was lawful on the date of enactment of this Act [Jan. 5, 1971], until one year after the date of such enactment."
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/713.html
Vote This Traitor as a Traitor http://www.countryaboveself.com
It is VERY serious stuff. You can excuse it all you want. I refuse to put up with that joker any longer. His disrepect for the nation is only topped by his disrespect for the law.
And the law is the law. Whether its liked or not. Either he adheres to it or he should be prosecuted.
There is a line that shall not be crossed and he has.
I don't need to take a breath. Anger over insult is not an emotional reaction.
Looser underwear, or perhaps some Gold Bond powder or something else for that sticky summer rash some people get.
You'll feel better and have more time to keep us all informed on these breaking issues of great import.
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NObama...no way!.....McCain '08 !
Let's ridicule like the liberals. Attack the poster. Ignore the content. And whatever we do , don't recommend this thing. It might be seen by somebody who could care enough to raise hell elsewhere. Let it die beneath the fold.
If we act like this... we can guarantee President Obama.
I think the great Philosopher Forest Gump said it best; "Stupid is as Stupid Does".
News Flash for you pardner, if this is all you can find to disagree with Nobama on, or you think this is the sort of issue that people paying $4.50 + gallon for gasoline, or a country fighting a war in Iraq and a war on Gobal terrorism are going to get excited about, then I hate to break it to you, Mrs. Obama better start measuring for new drapes in the Whitehouse.
The world and this country face enormous challenges, and getting excited as an issue that differentiates R's from D's about NoBama's parroting/pirating/ or what ever you want to call it the seal of the President of the United States ranks right up there with Whale poop.
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NObama...no way!.....McCain '08 !
He had to have ripped that off from one of their comic book lines.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
The next time Obama does something that is totally wrong, let's give him a pass on that too. Let's be civilized, while allowing him to not be and see how far that gets the country in November.
...for this tacky piece of egoboo will do more damage to his candidacy than any amount of calling for his arrest.
I mean. Look at it.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Now this is why I have enjoyed reading your logic. And if it were not for places like this, do you really think the MSM would show anybody? This place has to get upset from time to time, if only to get the search engine content brewing. After all, we stand for country don't we? Well I'd like to see a few more actually use their feet to do it.
"This is, of course, not the policy of the campaign,” his spokesman, Bill Burton, said. “It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together."
Nothing is ever intentional, of course. It must have been some well-meaning but klutzy aide who screwed up. Teflonobama does no wrong. You must be a racist.
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“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say. ” - Martin Luther
the Obama seal is not a "likeness" of the Great Seal or any lesser seal of the United States. Also, under part (a) of the Statute you must show an intent to deceive.
Intent to deceive. The man is running for President and uses a knock off of the Presidential Seal (or for that matter the Great Seal) which is ONLY for the intent to deceive voters into believing he IS ALREADY THERE. It is ALL HE HAS BEEN DOING. He is nothing but deception.
Its time to either support the joker or condemn him.
Take your side.
...I think you are guilty as well..if I am reading this right...you may want to take the img off of the diary and just link it to where you found it. Under para. (a) it says:
Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, .
But other than that...no complaints...GO GET 'EM!!
"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!
You will have to take that up with the thousands of such images on the web. The depiction for illustrative purposes is not the same thing as depiction to declare competance for election, which is an improper use of the seal.
Sorry 'bout that.
"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!
You might want to read the rest of it.
in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
This was answered yesterday and I'll be darned if I can find it here now... hmmmmmmmmm
selective?
hmmmmmmm
or am I just getting older
yeah that's the ticket
we'll i'm sure not going to bother with it again....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/06/is_obamas_great_seal...
Pick on them for a bit.
I rest my case on deaf eyes.
the Presidential seal because he has no respect for it!
Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion
I am tired of people saying, whether it's immigation laws or foreclosures or this case, that the laws need to be changed so we won't follow them. They point to women not voting in the past, for example. Well, the law is still the law, and needs to be enforced. Did you see women in the 1800s voting? No, people got the law changed, and THEN they voted. Send the illegals back southbound on the superhighway, and after the law is changed, let them come legally, after getting medical screenings for TB and Hepatitis and AIDS and all other conditions that would threaten the US population.
-- Can't Feed 'em? Don't Breed 'em! --
If the Democrats want Bush arrested for stuff that they have little to no evidence of, then I'm sure they'll jump right on arresting Obama... right? Right? F***ing Dems.
Let's be grateful that the author of this post isn't a US Attorney. You might want to check your definitions. It is not illegal to display something that is similar to the seal; it is illegal to display the seal fraudulently.
There is nothing illegal about Obama's seal. Clearly he is trying to get people used to seeing his face over a Presidential seal. That does not make him a felon... just a little silly.
Likeness:
1 : copy, portrait
2 : appearance, semblance
3 : the quality or state of being like : resemblance
(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved
Copy:
1 : an imitation, transcript, or reproduction of an original work (as a letter, a painting, a table, or a dress)
2 : one of a series of esp. mechanical reproductions of an original impression; also : an individual example of such a reproduction
3 archaic : something to be imitated : model
4 a : matter to be set esp. for printing
b : something considered printable or newsworthy — used without an article
c : text esp. of an advertisement syn see reproduction
(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved
If the author of the post was a U.S. Attorney would your absurd definitions be different? The words are the same thing.
You can attack the poster, and attack the terms, but the law if the law and if it is ever enforced it would be upheld in District Court.
And if you read the whole statute you would find it is an illegal use of the seal.
But nevermind my response. You didn't bother to put the original post in context, so why bother with the definitions.
Look, you are wrong - they are not breaking the law unless you can prove the intent is "for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States "
Start working on the evidence of that and then present it to the AG...
Elections seem to make people looney
But it won't work.
Not only is the initial attack dog comment from a person named
mbryan who has only been a member a whopped 7 hours 32 min
well.. is a baby in the site... or should I say... sent by the minions of the Obamaites,
but you... have been here for 37 weeks and have managed one post on Feb. 2, 2008 so you are not a RedStater, you are a plant.
So we have a plant and a baby coming in out of nowhere after this specific blog entry has been posted literally all over the web... the entry itself having fallen off the face of the site therefore making access to it, strictly from those who have been sent here to compound the defense, (which is absurd, you should be hounding the McCainReport posting on the same topic, they would be far more diplomatic to you than I) and the only defense you are offering, is not that the seal used was by the right of the user, but that the statute does not match the circumstances and you do it with the most liberal viewpoint possible.
How?
(I am bothering with this for two reasons, 1: I am not able to be intimated, you'll find out soon enough how that applies, and 2: you are dead wrong, and for the record, since people are reading this from liberal sources as well as conservative ones, this response is for them, you don't matter.)
You quote "for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States "
Now take one moment and parse that phrase...
Purpose of conveying.... excuse me.. a seal is the very act of conveying...
A manner reasonably calculated to convey,... excuse me.. the presentation of that ripoff in a public forum was not an accident, it was planned and that planning is a calculation to convey...
A false impression .... excuse me.... the very fact the thing is modeled after the great seal of this nation, that it literally removes the stars and stripes from the eagle's chest and inserts a Latin phrase is a blatant and calculated attempt to confuse the observer into assuming it has an official stance..
and
Sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States.. excuse me intruding on your reality for one last moment... the emblem that resembles the great seal and the seal of the office of the President, for which Obama is running to occupy, implies government sponsorship AND approval... it is a typical liberal attempt to misguide the observer into assuming, with a casual eye, that Obama is already President without uttering it once.. it is a visual aid, designed and calculated to cause confusion, and if it is permitted to continue to be used, it will show up in a debate between Senator McCain and that Obama poser with McCain at a drastic disadvantage visually, as well as impose its deceptive intent upon every citizen who is not as deeply committed to politics as are you and I....
So your argument is absurd on its face. And whether I have any legal experience or not does not render my argument moot. You shall not, under any circumstances dictate this topic.
You had that chance when your ridiculously childish candidate decided to assume the office on his own.
Whether Judge Mukasey bothers with this or not, is not relevant, what is relevant is that I yanked your chain and you reacted to it.
You have already lost. Now go back and tell your Kos buddies to grow up. I know it won't work. But at least you can pass the message on.
Yes, I had one blog. I've had many comments though - just not lately as I have been too busy and a little uninterested in election lunacy.
Now back to the substance - I again assume you are not a lawyer nased on your response. It is really simple, prove that Obama's intent is to convey that the Presidential Office sponsors his candidacy for president by using the seal - best of luck.
I'm pretty sure voters understand how this process works - sponsorship comes from them not the current office. Convincing a court that one's intent through use of the seal is to turn that on it's head will not survive summary judgement.
"You had that chance when your ridiculously childish candidate decided to assume the office on his own.
Whether Judge Mukasey bothers with this or not, is not relevant, what is relevant is that I yanked your chain and you reacted to it."
Like I said - makes people looney. Get a life
P.S. never visted Kos and it is absurdity like this that has limited my visits here of late. This site has gone down hill fast.
Attack the poster.. But allow me to point out the obvious. Not one rejection of the accusation. Not one. This site is obviously not of your liking. It is too transparent. But don't let me get in your way. Gee.. there are probably a lot of people here who would have reacted to your post by following the subjective. I don't.
Now. Have yourself a wonderful evening. Not one rejection of the accusation.
It's almost as if you have total amnesia - right after responding to a post that refutes your accusation (you ahve no legal ground here at all) you post this "Not one rejection of the accusation.". You (you are not this site) are not 'too transparent' you are too off your meds (there I attacked the poster again).
Maybe you should go into private law enforcement - you seem to ahve a knack for finding 'crimes' that aren't agaisnt the law...
Seriously, before we all follow each other running over the edge of the cliff, lets take a minute to get our bearings. Both parties routinely use similar signs and seals for political purposes.
For example: The National Republican Senatorial Committee has a rather cool (yet remarkably similar) seal for the Republican Presidential Roundtable. http://www.nrsc.org/membership/roundtable.aspx
As an independent, I encourage you to stay focused on the issues that actually matter - and keep the candidates focused by scrutinizing their platforms. That is how America wins.
Take a deep breath......and read the fine print cynically!
...from wherever you got the link from then you might have noted that the logo was created by a sitting President with actual accomplishments under his belt, as part of a project dedicated for the benefit of others, and not for self-aggrandizement. In other words, for diametrically opposite reasons than those of Senator Barack Obama's*.
:holding up hand: And before you splutter, please note that I'm already on the record on this thread as not caring about whether Obama's Seal is in technical violation of federal statute. I mention this solely because we've already established that you aren't actually interested in doing basic research. But do feel free to get whoever it is that you got this talking point to stop on by and discuss it with us: nothing personal, but I don't feel like dealing with the extra lag time of running the conversation through you.
Moe Lane
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
*We'll skip over the bad Latin, except to note that Ronnie was always too smart to try to pretend to scholarship that he actually didn't have.
I suspect that the most that can be practically done is a slap on the wrist and a stern warning not to do it again. Anything very substantial would make Obama a sort of martyr to his supporters, because it would look like a nakedly political move to take Obama off the field.
That's assuming, of course, that you find a judge willing to call it a likeness of the Great Seal created with an intent to deceive. I'm not thinking that your odds are very good, but, hey, what do I know.
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This too shall pass.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/23/obama-camp-drops-familiar-presid...
I consider this issue solved.
Obama has withdrawn the artsy.
His campaign blames it on the press using it as an example of his being arrogant.
That boat already left the dock.
But there will be more. And the next time those horrible right wing bloggers and posters and concerned citizens will hold his feet to the candle for it again. I only hope he isn't elected and the consequences of his inexperience, arrogance and lack of wisdom winds up costing more than his own admission.
Victory!
Wow..that's pretty serious stuff. May I suggest a few deep cleansing breaths before you get too worked up.
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