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It's a horrible idea for Michigan which means it'll probably happen soon
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I suppose it was only a matter of time before Michigan Democrats went ahead and intentionally lost their minds. The high-pitched buzzing about scrapping legal election results because the Democrat National Committee didn't like the date they were gathered is growing more intense by the day with folks here in the State who previously defended Michigan now suddenly willing to bow down and kiss the ring on Howard Dean's middle finger.
Read on.
As is generally the case, my personal objections seem to have absolutely no bearing on how the lefties in this state (mis)behave. Alas. Ultimately they shred the rule of law and create a nice little icier-than-normal banana republic at their own peril.
But we are where we are and it is where it is (which may be simultaneously one of the most accurate and painfully cliché things I've ever typed in my life... my bad).
With every day that passes we're getting closer to a fresh Democrat nominating contest here in Michigan. Which is different, you'll note, from holding a fresh primary. The last primary cost Michigan taxpayers some $10 million and even the Queen Tax Hiker in the executive office seems to understand that asking struggling moms and dads to pony up all that cash again is a step or twenty too far. Instead they're talking about holding a "firehouse" primary with shorter hours and fewer polling locations or a closed caucus.
While every citizen had the right and plenty of opportunity to vote back in January the Dems are willing to disenfranchise millions this time around. Nothing like ignoring the will of voters across the State so you can consolidate power with a few thousand union activists.
The Associated Press reports:
The governors of both states, along with top officials in Hillary Clinton's campaign, are now saying they would consider holding a new contest by June. That's a change from their previous insistence that the primaries their states held in January should determine how the states' delegates are allocated...
Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter, told the Detroit Free Press that Clinton's victory in Ohio changes "the landscape a bit." She said it could open the door to a caucus, if it can be privately funded and both candidates agree.
Michigan Radio was reporting Wednesday night that state Democrats, including party chairman Mark Brewer -- a chief architect of the early primary that cost the state its delegates -- was agreeing to the do-over.
The "privately funded" thing will excite a few Republicans because they'll like the idea of the MDP ponying up a million dollars or more that can't be used in the general election. I'd just remind folks that between George Soros and Jon Stryker the state party isn't exactly hurting for folks who've shown a willingness to write blank checks for pet projects. Just look at the Michigan House and the regressisphere.
More likely than draining the bank accounts at MDP this sort of thing will energize their donors at all levels. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and suggest that they'd end the new primary season more flush with cash than when they start it.
But on the bright side, maybe Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will finally show up here in the Great Lakes State. Maybe. We're not good enough for them right now because they don't and haven't needed us. (In lefty circles the concept of "public service" carries a lot of baggage and quid pro quos... we're not scratching their back so why would they even look at ours?)
It's not like Michigan issues are getting any less urgent or important. Though, silver lining, it looks like the United Auto Workers may finally be ready to sit down with the folks at American Axle. Good thing too. Experts claim that should the strike extend into next week it will close as many as ten auto plants. They're already more than halfway there. The Ivory Tower reports:
On Monday, the automaker is to cut production at its SUV plant in Janesville, Wis., and its transmission plant in Toledo. It also expects to halt production at its metal casting plant in Saginaw and an engine plant in Moraine, Ohio.
GM, American Axle's largest customer, has halted production at six pickup and SUV plants, including factories in Flint and Pontiac.
But while they're finally talking at AA there isn't much actual conversation between Kwame Kilpatrick and a few angry residents. They're skipping past all the chit-chat and going straight for the throat, kicking off a recall campaign to oust hizzoner. According to the Detroit News:
"It's nothing personal against the mayor, but he's not been productive to the city of Detroit," said Johnson, 42, a paralegal who recently moved back to the city. "The people in Detroit have been neglected and abused."
...If no appeal is filed, Johnson, who lives in Rosedale Park, will have 90 days to collect 57,000 signatures -- a figure determined by a formula based on the number of registered voters in the city of Detroit who voted in Michigan's last gubernatorial election.
Recall organizer Douglas Johnson, who is running for a seat on the Detroit City Council, said he is eager to begin collecting the 57,000 signatures needed to put the issue before Detroit voters, although the city has 10 days to appeal Wednesday's ruling.
Well, best of luck, Mr. Johnson. You're going to need it. We're talking about a mayor who was reelected in a city while rumors and assumptions about rampant wrong doing, corruption and even deaths circled his head like an ominous little black thunder cloud. Heck, they'd probably do it again. It's that whole thing about leading a horse to water.
Cross-posted on Right Michigan at www.RightMichigan.com.
Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot. The DNC did not require that he take that step, but he did it in order to not piss off Iowa and NH voters. I know the Democrats aren't the party of personal responsibility, but Obama made his own bed here.
...*believe* that Hillary would abide by the no-play agreement in MI or FL.
that he was not smart for him to do it, the golden rule of politics is that perception is reality and it would look bad if they sat a delegation from what was basically a politburo primary.
McCain '08
Despite Hillary's whining about getting 55% of the Michigan vote against a ballot with only Kucinich, Dodd, and Gravel (the last two having dropped out of the race before Michigan), it should be noted that 40% of Democrats voted for "uncommitted" ... quite a turnout, given that their likely preferred candidate wasn't even on the ballot.
First and foremost, the race for nominating a Democrat is too close to call, and will likely not get better. Unless one of the delegates makes a big, big, really big mistake, it's going to the wire. Removing the stink of Florida and Michigan from the equation helps the Dems. It may be these races that finally make the decision for the supers.
Sure, they made some rules, but it's their rules to change. If they pay for it, so be it.
sadlurker, Obama should get props for accepting the rules instead of practicing the politics of personal benefit like Hillary. If Hillary can make, will make, and win the case for seating delegates from these states, it will make the Dems look very bad. Much better for them to have a redo.
Personally, I see this as very beneficial for the Republicans. I saw today that the the races probably won't happen until June. Can you imagine dragging this bloodfest out until June? Go for it.
The rules were that the candidates couldn't compete in Michigan. Nothing in the rules prohibited the candidates from having their names on the ballot. I'm not saying the MI and FL delegates should be seated, but it's disingenuous to say that the MI primary was unfair because Obama wasn't on the ballot, since keeping one's name on the ballot was well within the DNC rules. Obama pandered to Iowa and NH voters by taking his name off the MI ballot, and now he should deal with the consequences of that decision instead of saying that the primary was somehow unfair because of his campaign's choice.
Its their party they make the rules. Those rules are their laws. If expost facto is fine and good with them so be it.
The parties are not part of the government. They aren't even really creatures of the people. They are separate organizations with one purpose electing their members to office. How they go about is their business. Frankly I don't like how the democrats do things. I like even less the idea of the courts getting involved in their doings.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Parties can nominate their candidate any way they want: flipping a coin, allowing people to vote, smoke-filled rooms, or having a Counterstrike tournament. When voters let the system get confined so narrowly to the party system, then they get party politics. It's not always pretty, fair, smart, democratic, or economical, but that's how it works.
As for Michigan, that whole situation was beyond messed up from the beginning. They have terribly politicians in power right now.
Consider it Good advertisement and publicity for the Republican party with the added benefit of watching the Dems eat each other in the process.
away from this mess. We already dealt with these delegations and penalized them for moving the bar up. We just weren't stupid enough to take away all the delegates.
...let them cut the checks. What? Michigan and Florida aren't worth a measly $35 million, or even $50 million?
Well, if so: thanks. We don't mind them giving the GOP those two States at all.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
If the dems can get the money so easily for the revote, why logically wouldn't they be able to get the same amount of money WITHOUT a revote?
It beggars logic to believe that them having to spend spend 15 million dollars on another election would leave them with more money than NOT having to spend 15 million dollars. It is not like they will stop raising money if they don't have a revote..
and you are leaving out the fact that OBAMA AND CLINTON will have to spend millions of their primary money on elections in Florida and Michigan. And it means more stones being thrown between them. Advantage GOP.
Obama is Jimmy Carter- only without the sweater.
for August 5, 2008. That is still several weeks before the conventions. It would cost little more to add a Presidential primary on that date, and would guarantee so much attention on that state that it would more than make up for the perceived slight. Will the Republicans who control the Michigan Senate block this?
of course, they'll let anyone vote in their do-over, right? Like the dems did in 2000, when they crossed over in droves to the Republican side. How will they separate the indies from the dems from the R's? And if they let dems vote over, I would think, to be fair, they'd let anyone vote over. Our less-then-esteemed gov. said tonight, it would only be dems (and P.C. indies)who could vote.
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They will have to have some kind of re-do because Obama was not on the ballot. It would be electoral suicide for the Dems to seat a MI delegation where only one major candidate was on the ballot.
McCain '08