Redstate

"Get Romney's fund raisers together with Bush's and we can compete with Democratic money this year."

Re: financing 527s, who's richer:
multimillionaire Romney's friends,
or
leftist billionaire Soros?

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Morain, Dan. 1 January 2008. "Huckabee foes open their wallets for attack ads" _LA Times_
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money1jan01,1,53501...
Huckabee has been the target of a $550,000 campaign waged by the conservative anti-tax Club for Growth.
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Romney isn't paying for the independent spots, but they often appear during the same commercial breaks as Romney-funded ads. A handful of wealthy donors, including several backers of the former Massachusetts governor, have paid for the spots with checks of as much as $100,000 to the Club for Growth, an independent group that produced and placed the spots.

Though federal election laws restrict the amount donors can give directly to candidates, looser restrictions govern what contributors can give to independent efforts to influence the race.

Houston home-builder Bob J. Perry, for example, has donated $2,300 to Romney, the most he can give to the candidate in the primary. Two weeks ago, Perry gave $200,000 to the Club for Growth, allowing the group to jack up its television buy to pummel Huckabee on the airwaves.
==
Boston investor John Childs, who donated $2,100 to Romney in 2007, recently gave $100,000 to the Club for Growth.
==
Are they donating to the Club for Growth as a backdoor way of helping Romney?

"I suppose that is a possibility," said Club for Growth spokeswoman Nachama Soloveichik. "It could also be that they are afraid of Huckabee's record."

Romney's aides have said the candidate has no connection to the spots.

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Romney: abolish PACs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM0x8WnI4to&feature=related

"In Romney’s Bid, His Wallet Opens to the Right"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/us/politics/11romney.html?_r=1&adxnnl=...

"Romney has the ability to make biting comments that are not inappropriate."

Do you think Romney has the ability to get away with his lying?

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One lie of a story from the serial liar Romney:
MLK marching lie in his 6 December 2007 prepared speech.

Mitt Romney: From Flip-Flop To See-Saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up60e-ygalU

Tammy Bruce: Romney's fantasies become reality to him: 2:00+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMlHy-2Er1I

Romney: McCain's bill gives, and doesn't give, amnesty to illegals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtlC4g96ck

Bank, Justin and Lori Robertson, of factcheck.org. 19 December 2007. "Romney on Huckabee II
Romney attacks Huckabee again with false and misleading claims."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949

This item should have mentioned Romney's bogus 'I took only pro-life steps in office' claims:

Luo, Michael. 22 December 2007. "Romney Learns That 'Facts Are Stubborn Things'" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/us/politics/21cnd-romney.html?hp

Allott, Daniel. 20 December 2007. "Romney, get real about your abortion record"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7482.html

Quoted by Joe from
http://www.observer.com/2008/defense-mccains-attacks
In Massachusetts he brought audiences to tears with the story of a “close family member” who died from a back alley abortion, and how the experience had convinced him that abortion should be a matter of deeply personal choice, and not any business of the government’s. “You will not see me waver on that,” he declared.

Wallsten, Peter. 25 March 2007. "Activists Remember a Different
Romney
Advocates for gay and abortion rights and the environment say the GOP
candidate misled them on his positions." _Los Angeles Times_
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/25/78/
And in many cases, he said his commitment had been cemented by watching the suffering of someone dear to him: a grandchild whose asthma left him worried about air pollution; his wife’s multiple sclerosis, which had him placing hope in embryonic stem cell research; the death of a distant relative in an illegal abortion, convincing him that the procedure needed to remain legal.
In discussing the need to combat global warming, he said he worried about his family’s favorite vacation spot.

“He talked a lot about his kids and his family and the place they go to in New Hampshire on vacation,” said Cindy Luppi, an official from the group Clean Water Action, who was impressed by Romney’s concern about global warming in a 2003 meeting — and later disappointed when he unexpectedly pulled the state out of a regional compact on greenhouse gases.

“We really see these as promises that were made and broken, and an ethical breach for a person of faith who had worked really hard to create this public image as an upright kind of a family guy.”

Who has been at McCains side from the beginning? Hint he is from the NE and is a Senator. Was with him before and during NH primary! Really now can't you just imagine if Mac had his way! he is still angry with Mitt over the Olympics, come on Mitt, no way.

Romney out fundraised every single candidate. Jesus man, you don't cut the guy any slack. To answer your question, he outfundraised every single person, so yea he's got a good idea of how to do it.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."-Barry Goldwater
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.

[swamp_yankee in Couldn't be more wrong]"He [Romney] raised more than McCain. More than Rudy. More than Thompson. More than Huckabee. .... His fundraising blew away everyone elses."

Rudy raised more than Romney, once multimillionaire Romney's self-financing is taken out of the equation:

Rudy raised $63,958,802.
In contrast, Romney raised only $62,737,527 once his self-financing to the tune of $42,363,735 is subtracted from his fundraising total.

See the Rudy and Romney pages linked to from
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

In 2007, Romney outspent Huckabee 12 to 1.

How did Romney lose to Huckabee in Iowa?

After outspending Huckabee in 2007 by a factor of 12 to 1?

Romney spent in 2007 $86,068,239.
Huckabee spent in 2007 $7,090,087.

Source:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

be the veep either.

...President, to spend $43 million of his own money, and to change his core beliefs just in time to campaign?

This is why I don't support Romney. He lies to my face about his "consistent beliefs" and expects me to be stupid enough to believe him, and he is so vainly, blindly ambitious that he spends $43 million from his own bank account -- and $62 mil of other people's money -- to stoke his own self-important ego.

Nice.

at least they're not desparate stretches of reality like your idea like the idea that Mitt definitely came in third.

"desperate stretches of reality like your idea... that Mitt definitely came in third"

Romney came in 3rd in delegate totals.

Data from
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R

John McCain
Pledged: 1243
Unpledged RNC*: 82
Total: 1,325

Huckabee
Mike Huckabee
Pledged: 264
Unpledged RNC*: 3
Total: 267

Romney
Mitt Romney
Pledged: 255
Unpledged RNC*: 0
Total: 255

After campaigning longer than Romney for one month. By any useful measurement Romney did better than Huckabee. The delagate count one month after the race has been over for all practical purposes, is not such a measure.

"By any useful measurement Romney did better than Huckabee."

How much did Romney shell out per delegate he got?

How much did Huckabee spend per delegate he got?

How much advertising and ground game money did Romney dump in Iowa, NH, SC, and FL? Only to lose in all of those states?

How much $$$ have monied Romney friends spent on his behalf?

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Morain, Dan. 1 January 2008. "Huckabee foes open their wallets for attack ads" _LA Times_
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money1jan01,1,53501...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/politics/07donate.html
“It’s clear that Mr. Romney’s money can’t buy him love,” said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that collects and analyzes campaign finance data. “He’s spent so much more than Huckabee, yet Huckabee got a lot more bang for his buck.”

per delegate, if it matters now. McCain has 1191+ so does it matter now. What does matter is that Hillary and Barack will have spent 300-400 million before the convention. Then comes the general. Can you say ONE BILLION for President-coming soon.

280 or 290 when he dropped out. Huck never caught up. Michigan stripped some after the fact but he earned them.

Although I know we all would find it just SHOCKING to find that Jeff Emmanuel would EVER be disingenuous about anything related to Mitt Romney. You know, considering how fair and rationale his analysis of Mitt Romney is. *super duper heavy sarcasm* LOL

Where did I say something about delegate count?

It's all apples and oranges given Romney's correct foresight that McCain would be the nominee. If Romney played Huck's silly "I have nothing else to do" game, do you think Romney's total delegates would be 255?

Romney to this day still had over a million popular votes more than Huckabee. Huckabee's attempt to come in second was silly selfishness and a lack to appreciate the finer aspects of math. This race was over after super Tuesday.

"change his core beliefs just in time to campaign"

Jackson, Gregg. 4 February 2008. "Why I'm Voting for Mike Huckabee"
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GreggJackson/2008/02/04/why_im_voting...
Mitt Romney is not only not a conservative on any issue, he's not even on the left-right spectrum. He has no beliefs. No principles. No backbone. No soul. He is a soulless creature who will do and say anything to get elected.

Romney Fairytale video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7y1HMZNJy0
and
http://artlaction.com/

"why I don't support Romney. He lies to my face about his 'consistent beliefs' and expects me to be stupid enough to believe him"

Allott, Daniel. 20 December 2007. "Romney, get real about your abortion record"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7482.html

Murdock, Deroy. 4 February 2008.
"Rhetoric vs. Record
Romney’s life problem."
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGYyZWE4OGI5YzNlZTc1M2M2OTRiYmMzMjE...

Romney lying in 2002, or lying now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43TVmSoaQ7c

Talk about a horrible return on an investment. At least Romney stands a good chance of being the VP and later President

"Romney stands a good chance of being the VP"

How strongly does McCain dislike Romney?

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Luo, Michael. 24 January 2008. "Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/us/politics/24romney.html?_r=1&hp&oref...
TAMPA, Fla. — At the end of the Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire this month, when the Democrats joined the candidates on stage, Mitt Romney found himself momentarily alone as his counterparts mingled, looking around a bit stiffly for a companion.

The moment was emblematic of a broader reality that has helped shape the Republican contest and could take center stage again on Thursday at a debate in Florida. Within the small circle of contenders, Mr. Romney has become the most disliked.

that was about to end my 12 year campaign for President either. It took McCain AND Huckabee to take Mitt down in West Virginia and an 11th hour endorsement from Crist when Romeny started to overtake McCain in the polls in Florida. Look, it's all fair game, but no doubt the animosity stems primarily from the heated campaign and the fact that Romeny was fiercely competative. But more importantly Romeny has moved on. You should too.

"no doubt the animosity stems primarily from the heated campaign and the fact that Romney was fiercely competitive"

Do you think Romney's attack ads were accurate in describing McCain's and Huckabee's records?

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Romney: McCain's bill gives, and doesn't give, amnesty to illegals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtlC4g96ck

Kelly, Chris. 7 January 2008. "Mitticisms: 'Amnesty'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/mitticisms-amnesty_b_80162.htm...
....Romney ....he's the one candidate who's ready to
mislead on Day One.
Imagine if Mitt Romney sold you something -- let's
say some land in Glengarry Glen Ross -- and you
were trying to get your money back, and he started
pulling this... on you.

Romney lacks credibility on *anything*
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=99a7821a-ebdb-4003-b0a4-5c849369e91...

Democrats For Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiCqxKLIVDY

Medved
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2008/01/08/wi...
Mitt Romney’s saturation attack ads (played every few minutes in Iowa and now in New Hampshire) have not only poisoned the campaign with mischaracterizations of the records of his opponents, but also set the agenda for horribly unenlightening and awkward debates that harmed all the candidates, very much including Romney himself.

Romney attacks Huckabee again with false and misleading claims
http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949

More Mitt Malarkey
Romney repeats misleading claims about McCain's stand on immigration
http://www.factcheck.org/more_mitt_malarkey.html
Fee-Fee Romney's Taxes & Fees
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=23a78e88-4d1a-47bd-8a7a-60aa8109e29...

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWRmY2MxMzJhOTc4OTlmMjJjYWY3NWI2Yzl...
“Come on, Mitt, tighten up your chin strap,” Salter, standing just a few feet away from the Romney team, told reporters. “Of all the ludicrous suggestions – Mitt Romney whining about being attacked, when he has predicated an entire campaign plan on whoever serially looks like the biggest challenger gets, whatever, $20 million dropped on his head and gets his positions distorted. Give me a break. It’s nothing more than a guy who dishes it out from 30,000 feet altitude and then gets down in the arena and somebody says, O.K. Mitt, gives him a little pop back, and he starts whining. That’s unbecoming.”

Oh yes, that is why we are still engaged in trench warfare and won't have a candidate until a brokered convention. WTH?
Man, you are tiresome and obviously have too much time on your hands.

Ignore it, not worth the bandwidth.

I mean, quoting the HuffPo, and Medved, on Romney? Sheesh!

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

"I mean, quoting the HuffPo, and Medved, on Romney? Sheesh!"

What do you think of quoting Farah on Romney?

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Farah, Joseph. 19 January 2008. "Not drinking Romney's Kool-aid"
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59764
I have a feeling there's been a secret meeting to which I have not been invited.
Many of my friends must have attended, because they're all thinking alike.
Suddenly, because Mitt Romney narrowly won one primary in his birth state – the state formerly presided over by his governor father and a primary he was expected to win all along – he has been crowned, by these friends of mine, as the heir apparent to the GOP presidential nomination.

I'm not buying it.
I'm not drinking that Kool-aid. Not now, not ever.

In fact, I truly hope Mitt Romney stumbles and bumbles as he did in Iowa and New Hampshire – two other states he was supposed to have won.
The reason I hope he loses again and again is because I can never vote for him – no matter whom he might run against as the Republican nominee.
==
Nevertheless, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and countless other friends of mine – people who are right far more often than they are wrong – have somehow fallen under the spell of Mitt Romney.
I look at the man, and I see the face of disingenuousness. They look at it and see the face of sincerity.
I swear I didn't drink the Kool-aid.
Can they make the same vow?

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David Limbaugh's ignorance
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8458206d-7aa4-4800-9a49-948df8f8035...

remember punditry's malpractice this primary season
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/a49836376d61...

Romney owes talk radio debt of gratitude
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/f66e6dad0487...

Like little, all I hear from him his
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala @@

So much for tolerance there c17wife.

n/t

Guess you are the only smart one here

LOL!!!!!

on here and we know that we are smarter.

(we ladies gotta stick together :D)

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GOP McCain for President, 2008

that you don't like...

I find his research quite impressive. And any fair-minded person would likewise, instead of simply dismissing him.

That goes for you as well c17wife; I'm surprised you would do that. From your other comments, I thought you would at least have the character to admit he's got more facts that you do, even if you wouldn't debate the points.

BTW, his "research" is all standard, garden variety, Grade-A Huckabot Talking Point - available on several internet sites near you. And they're not facts, they're propaganda and opinion - but that's never stopped the AntiRomBots in the past so I doubt it will now.

But you have provided one useful service today - thanks for reminding me why I dropped out of RS sight about a month ago. I needed that.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

"they're not facts, they're propaganda and opinion"

Do you approve of Romney's appointing open homosexuals to positions of authority?

Jacobs, Ethan. 3 March 2005. "Mitt Romney’s secret gay history!" _Bay Windows_
http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=columnists&sc=the_romney_files
Romney also continued Weld’s tradition of appointing openly gay people to key positions in his administration. One of his first cabinet appointments was Daniel Grabauskas, who Romney chose to serve in his cabinet as secretary of the Executive Office of Transportation and Construction.

The new governor’s transition team also included several openly gay people, including Grabauskas, former lieutenant governor candidate and current president of the national Log Cabin Republicans Patrick Guerriero, and former Mass. Log Cabin president Mark Goshko.

Other gay Romney appointees include John Wagner, commissioner of the state welfare department, Mitchell Adams, executive director of the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, and Jonathan Spampinato, a member of Romney’s Diversity and Equal Opportunity Council. Two out lesbian appointees were fired by the governor shortly after getting legally married to their same-sex partners: Ardith Wieworka, former commissioner of Child Care Services, who was let go last summer, and Katherine Abbott, former commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Recreation, who was asked to resign last month after her department was blamed for not adequately clearing sidewalks
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He [Romney] offered political and financial support to two openly gay Republican candidates for state representative in 2004, Richard Babson in the Eighth Suffolk District and Michael Motzkin of the Ninth Essex District, who both lost. Both candidates were promoted as part of the Romney Reform Team.

Romney judges
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9380a1ac-650e-4e62-a8a8-cc86e06ca2a...

Yes, you can take that as me being fine with Romney hiring openly gay individuals. I politely suggest that you contemplate the fact that this site has a moderator who publicly supports same-sex marriage (on the Connecticut model) before you respond; you may not be in as friendly an arena as you might have supposed.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.

Even if Romney is picked for VP, the chances of becoming President are still small. If McCain wins, he'll have to wait at least 4 years, maybe 8 or have McCain die. Then, he'll still have win primaries and a general election.

If McCain loses, he hasn't gained all that much.

If McCain wins, Rudy will get his choice of cabinent positions. And there's still a chance, regardless of how remote, that Rudy would get it.

I'd rather be Rudy then Romney right now.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

Mitt gains little politically. Mitt would still have the Morman problem, especially in the south, but at least Mitt and McCain are closer on several policy issues than Huck (no change he is VP).

Also Mitt can probably only deliver 1 state for certain (Utah) and McCain will need a broader appeal. This is going to be a fight for Electorial College votes and several previous RED states (3 large ones) are in play this year.

What large red state is in play other then Ohio?

Because Texas or Florida are not in play.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

Remember our R-Governor got 39% of the vote in a 4 way race. I know the RNC says TX is not but they also said we would hold the House and Senate in 06-WRONG. We know Ohio is in play but Illinois is in play also. Farmers may vote McCain but not like a block as before they are mad(have relatives in Il that farm), Cook county will definately go for Obama and it is his home state. Again RNC Wrong. Also Florida could come into play if the war starts going bad and/or economy continues to struggle. Just some thoughts after talking to State Republican Leaders.

...and I highly doubt Texas is either. Texas hasn't elected a Democrat to a statewide office since 1994, and I don't believe they have voted for a Democrat president since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

I'm in TX also. TX will go blue in a presidential race when cows fly over the moon.

Your example - the 06 Gov election featured 2 R's against 2 D's (in essence). Republicans won 57-42. You can't use that one as some argument that TX is in play.

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J

Hope to see you at Texas Republican State Convention June 12-14 in Houston, if you can make it there.

little.
He's a McCain hater and is just trying to stir the pot.
Cows will not be flying in 2008. And I've got you several Starbucks on that. :>)

Who hates McCain, I certainly do not. What makes you think hate has anything to do with it. Sorry you are not tolerant of other ideas but I guess that is just the way you are. Thats ok, we can still call you friend.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000286&cycle=2008

Its pretty clear to me this website shows that indeed Romney was the top fundraiser among individual contributors among the GOP presidential nominees.

Individual contributions
$62,158,248
59%

PAC contributions
$357,252
0%

Candidate self-financing
$42,363,735
40%

Federal Funds
$0
0%

Other
$222,027
0%

On top of that his campaign debts were:
Debts: $42,300,000

Looks to me like Romney's personal contributions paid off his campaign debts...unlike others that beg their supporters to help them level the debt...

Classy Romney...Classy...

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

"Romney was the top fundraiser among individual contributors among the GOP presidential nominees.
Individual contributions
$62,158,248"

Just barely. Compare Giuliani's individual contributions: $61,097,511
Ref:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00009908&cycle=2008

"Looks to me like Romney's personal contributions paid off his campaign debts"

Romney loaned his campaign $42,363,735. His campaign is in debt to him by that amount. His campaign doesn't have to pay back his loan.

"Classy Romney...Classy..."

Do you think Romney's concession speech following his FL loss was "classy"?

Do you think Romney's cutting off a McCain concession speech just as it was about to start was "classy"?

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Tuesday, January 15, 2008
McCain Calls Romney to Congratulate Him
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 9:18 PM
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/4744508d-d6f0-4183-accc-4cc276caf690
Update: Mitt Romney's stepping on McCain's concession speech with his victory speech. I guarantee you there are a couple dozen people at McCain camp looking at the TVs switching to Mitt right now, going "God, I hate those guys."
Update: E.M. tells me that was happening all weekend in Michigan. McCain had to schedule events with hours between his and Romney's planned appearances or he'd get his toes stepped on.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Mitt's Concession Speech
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 9:38 PM
http://townhall.com/blog/g/9088af39-b48d-4c6a-9c5f-18532ccd4f5b?comments...
Jon - I agree. Something's wrong with Mitt. He looks and sounds very angry and upset. He's not at all gracious. And his speech is basically a stump speech that seems to me, at least, to be preachy, out-of-place, and inappropriate.

Luo, Michael. 24 January 2008. "Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/us/politics/24romney.html?_r=1&hp&oref...
Aides to Mr. Huckabee say he did not get to know Mr. Romney very well as a governor, finding him distant at meetings. The aides said they were also irritated that Mr. Romney did not call after Mr. Huckabee’s victory in Iowa.

Good grief, let it rest already!

I didn't like Romney much either, but please, HE LOST THE FREAKING PRIMARY.

Take a breather.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

I'm thinking all this panic induced posting comes from the increased likelihood that Romeny will be VP. There's really no other explanation for it. No one bothers attacking Huckabee, Thompson or Rudy becasue their names are not being floated for VP. You only fight when you feel threatened.

synthesizer is responding to people who think he is wrong about Romney with well-researched arguments.

If you want him to stop, simply admit (or tell the people who continue to disagree with him that) he is right. Or else, let the discussion continue.

"well-researched arguments". thanks for the laugh, I needed that. Cutting and pasting anti-romney diatribes.

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

"Romney out fundraised every single candidate." And he lost despite it. Why? Because he did not appeal to the party's base. I would guess that this is in large part due to his perceived fanciful storytelling.

What McCain needs in his veep choice is someone who will appeal to the faction of the party which feels most disenchanted with John McCain: conservatives. Ergo, McCain should find a running mate who will appeal to conservatives. Romney does not appeal, by and large, to conservatives. His pick as a running mate would be an unsatisfying disaster, and I suspect McCain's peeps know this. We'll see what comes of it, but I'd consider betting you dinner -- once my throat heals -- that McCain's running mate won't be Mitt Romney.

... that picks up on key words, and responds with a group recycled cut and paste, from a collection he uses over and over? The ratio of synthesizer's own content to the cut and paste is on the order of 1/100.

"Is synthesizer really a spam bot"

Yes, it is.

"recycled"

Romney: "that [coal-fired power] plant kills people"; global warming "quite alarming"
h ttp://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b315064c-1dd8-40a2-892b-ae09f30cce43%40l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Romney on global warming:
videos:
I want a global cap and trade re: CO2 emissions;
let's push for global reductions in CO2 emissions
h ttp://www.heatison.org/pages/Governor_Mitt_Romney

Wallsten, Peter. 25 March 2007. "Activists Remember a Different
Romney
Advocates for gay and abortion rights and the environment say the GOP
candidate misled them on his positions." _Los Angeles Times_
h ttp://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/25/78/

Thanks for confessing that. And look! Your comments are now being unpublished, spambot.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Wrong. He raised more than McCain. More than Rudy. More than Thompson. More than Huckabee. In fact, he raised six miliion in one day. His fundraisinf blew away everyone elses.

You really do believe your own lies don't you.

Perhaps we differ on what exactly constitutes a "lie" -- and it would appear that you're the one with the rationality, anger, and composure problem when it comes to any discussion of Romney. Sorry his third-place finish in the primary is such a personal blow to you.

The talk about how long his campaign would last hinged directly on how long his family would continue to let him drain their bank accounts to keep his presidential hopes alive. That doesn't sound like a guy who was swimming in other people's money to me.

However, if his "fundraisinf[sic] blew away everybody elses[sic]," then he can give lessons on how to blow cash on a losing campaign -- and how not to campaign overall. Both of those are attributes I'd want to avoid were I the prospective nominee.

Blah, blah, blah, what are you talking about. You said his fundraing was his checkbook. Wrong. Your the one that gets all pissy like a little school girl every time his name is brought up. Here's a couple examples of his fundraising prowess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/us/politics/03money.html?ref=politics

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/romneys_big_day.html

Oh good grief. He might be bad, but you're just going off in the other direction. The fact that he raised so much money and still got blown out of the water is NOT a good sign.

That said, I like what he said here, and perhaps if he stops doing an impression of an ever-changing T-1000 like he did in the primary, I won't be upset should McCain chose him for VP.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

McCain ran for President for 12 years. Romney went from a no name candidate to the conservative favorite in ten months. Second, McCain needs organization, cash, fundraising, and unity.

No one votes for a candidate based on their Veep, but if a Veep can bring a large base of donors, conservative talking heads, business leades, Wall Street big wigs, all the better.

It matters not who McCain puts up for VP, McCain is the top of the ticket and that is all that matters. His ideals are what will be pushed and we have a 20 year history on him. We know what he will put forth and I will not support him-period.

Until McCain goes to the floor of the Senate and Fights for Conservative ideals as hard as he has fought for Feingold/Kennedy/Gang of 14... I will not listen to his empty speeches. He has had 20 years to secure the borders of this nation and has not. He has 7 year since 9/11 to do the same and has not. He has had 16 months to get the fence built and has not. Now I am to follow him because he says he wants the secure the border, OH Yes I really Beleive him this time.

It takes ACTION Senator John Sidney McCain III, not words-otherwise you can save your money and breath.

WRITING A NAME IN in NOVEMBER!!

It takes ACTION LittleL1954, not words-otherwise you can save your money and breath.

Think about it.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

Exactly; McCain needs to take Action, otherwise he is just talking to himself.

As for money, I have already given more, this year, to the RNC than has McCain's RNC Victory Chairman (Carly Forina) has in the past 8 years. I sent them $1.00 this year, she has sent -0-in the past 8 years.

Action is what McCain needs to get us back to him, his hollow words will not.

WRITING A NAME IN in NOVEMBER!!!

Or, you know, perhaps it takes action for anybody to give a rat crap what you think about McCain. Nobody really cares if you pout in a corner. If you want your opinion to count, you help him. If you don't, you can sit in a corner and pout. But You'll be there for quite a while.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

Romney was hardly a "no name" candidate. He came from a wealthy, politically connected family and was a prominent Governor of a medium sized state, after being CEO of one of the biggest investment firms in the nation.

He also wasn't ever a "conservative favorite", he was merely what anti-McCain supporters were willing to settle for.

I also doubt that raising money is McCain's biggest problem.

That said, I agree his fundraising connections wouldn't hurt, and if Romney would be willing to be an attack dog like here, he might be a decent VP pick, although his high negatives worry me.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

He always had the Reed Richards look going for him.

lesterblog.blogspot.com

McCain was written off when his campaign went nearly broke. He is facing a large fundraising deficit to either of the Democratic candidates. What is a bigger problem to McCain than finances?

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

He's the nominee of a major party for President. World of difference between raising money in a primary and raising money once you are the big dog in the general election. No major party candidate for President has ever had a particularly difficult time raising money. Some might to slightly better then others, but ultimately he won't win or lose based on a few million bucks.

"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas

Tell that to grass roots donors who are generally more informed and engaged in the political process.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

...gave him the 1191 delegates necessary to become the nominee? Sure.

"if he stops doing an impression of an ever-changing T-1000 like he did in the primary"

Jan 26, 2008
A Mormon 'Terminator'
jim shea
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080126/OPINIO...
The Hartford Courant
Mitt Romney is kind of like those cyborgs from the Terminator movies who can alter their appearance at will.
Seriously, if it were suddenly revealed that Romney is actually a "terminator" from the future sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so her son would not be born, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.
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If Hillary Clinton continues to gain among women voters because women want a woman in the White House, I swear, Romney will transgender.

Romney a shape-shifting political opportunist e.g. on homosexuality
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Romney an abortion chameleon on videotapes
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Transcript: February 2005 Romney Interview Excerpts
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Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

never hears that the War ended.

I think he missed the chance to opine during the primary and this has been building for the last six weeks.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

was he a "no-name candidate" or was he the Master Destroyer of a Billionaire Conservative Juggernaut who was endorsed or supported by Limbaugh, Ingraham, NR, Bork, etc.? You can't have it both ways, and every time you defend him you make his loss look worse.

His defeat can't some Nefarious Plot masterminded by "the establishment" if -- as you constantly point out -- the entire "establishment" supported him.

Pretty much everybody did but the voters. Sad that elections are decided in such an .... unclean ... way as that -- by having hoi polloi choose from among their betters at the ballot box -- isn't it? After all, the richest guy just might not win that way.

Who said his defeat was some some Nefarious Plot masterminded by "the establishment". Never said that. you consistently put words in peoples mouth and change the debate. Nobody really knew him at first. He polled in the single digits. He rose in every region and demographic. Beat Brownback, Thompson, Rudy and yes Huckabee. He ended up losing to man who had spent 12 years running for the office, who was considered more electable and had the support of indpendents and moderates.

Huckabee

to do what Huckabee's ego could not.

You're full of villifying words for Romney...you defend Huckabee relentlessly...

I'm assuming you're an evangelical christian that does not respect Mormonism...

That's fine by me if that's where you stand...just say so...

The issue I have is that you clearly ignore facts and play the role of a spin doctor...

I'm not even arguing against your points on Romney...I'm just saying that you clearly have bias regardless of your intent to conceal it.

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

"I'm assuming you're an evangelical christian that does not respect Mormonism..."

Congratulations on making it onto my mental list of people never to read.

no really...I'd like you to explain how that comment was bigoted...

assumptive...sure but that was admitted...

bigoted...hardly as it was a common theme during the primaries that Romney's Mormonism did not favor well with some evangelical christians...enough to argue he's not electable...

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

It's a fact of life.

The reality of this nomination however, regardless of why is that McCain won. Huck was second. Mitt third. I don't think that's spinning just reporting it like it is.

like I said...

i'm not arguing that Romney did not take third...

nor am I saying that people don't have bias naturally...

I'm just saying don't attempt to conceal the bias.

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison

Romney didn't beat Huckabee. Romney dropped out and released his delegates to McCain in order to support the launch of a national campaign so McCain could stand a chance at winning. He said success in the GWOT was more important than his campagin. Huckabee didn't agree. Beating Romeny in delegates was. Romeny taking a thrid of McCain's vote in the upcoming primaries would only serve to weaken McCain and since Romeny could not mathmatically catch up to McCain in delegates, his staying in would be merely an ego trip so decided to step aside. So yes. Let's hear it for Huckabee. He is obviously more deserving of the party's respect. And I gues with that logic.....Ron Paul 21012!

Nah, he'll still be considered crazy in 19004 years.

He was only twelve points behind Huckabee 1 month after he dropped out. At best he tied for second, but I would say he probably got second. If he stayed in he probably would have kept Huck from passing him. Mitt Romney came in second in a five man race and you make it sound like he's the worst campaigner of the century. You seriously need to get over your animosity towards Romney, so that you can at least be reasoned. The most amazing colapses of the primary was the colapse of Rudy and the colapse of Thompson, now those were huge. Romney did about as well as expected and ended up losing to a candidate that did much better than expected. I think its grossly unfair to make out his campaign to be some kind of disaster, he lost - it happens more often than winning in politics.