South Carolina GOP Senator Jim DeMint has just announced his introduction of a Constitutional Amendment limiting the amount of time a US Senator or Congressman can serve. He calls it “Term Limits for All” and proposes that Senators be limited to 2 terms and Congressmen to 3 terms.
The idea already has some weighty Senate co-sponsors in Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma), Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), and Sam Brownback (R-Kansas). Brownback was even a GOP candidate for President in 2008. To actually become a part of the Constitution, however, it will need a few more Senate votes and then some. To pass, a Constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds majority vote of approval in the House and Senate and must be ratified by three-fourths of the states. Given the current make-up of the federal chambers and the dependency the Democrats have on long serving members such as Durbin, Frank, the late Senator Kennedy and so many more, it is highly unlikely these “public servants” will be swayed to legislate themselves off the gravy train.
Yet, for the country to move forward, it may be a necessary step. As DeMint notes in his presser,
Some say only long-serving, seasoned elites have the skills to lead the people, but that’s exactly what we have today and how do you think it’s working out for us? It wasn’t the ‘people’ who gave us a $12 trillion debt, an IRS tax code seven times longer than the Bible, over 1,700 departments of the federal government, trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, $100 trillion long-term shortfall in Social Security and Medicare, the Wall Street and auto bailouts, and the pending health care takeover.
This nation can no longer afford these entrenched men and women who enjoy lives of luxury wholly insulated from the consequences of their major policy failures.
Notably and importantly, the title of DeMint’s proposed amendment is indicative of his attitude. Term Limits for All means that DeMint supports term limits as a legislative or constitutional mandate but not self-imposed term limits chosen by individual legislators. Not only do Democrats never choose to do it, in DeMint’s words,
… demanding that reformers adopt self-imposed term limits is a recipe for self-defeat on this issue. We lost the battle for term limits after the 1994 Republican Contract with America because we forced our best advocates for reform to go home, while the big-spending career politicians waited them out. We must have term limits for all or term limits will never succeed. Only when we apply the same rules to all will we be able to enact vital bipartisan reforms.
The larger goals DeMint has in mind for his amendment are to
… increase legislative turnover, expand the field of candidates who run for office, and instill transparency and accountability in our public officials. By ratifying this amendment, we can end the tremendous advantage enjoyed by incumbents in Washington, break long-lasting ties to special interests and lobbyists, and transform Congress from the body of career politicians that it has become, to a chamber of true citizen legislators.
If the proposal has no chance of passing under the current Beltway leadership, a revolution of the sort some are predicting in November, 2010 may bring about a federal legislature more willing to ratify such a notion and **gasp** take the extraordinary step of putting the idea of Term Limits out in the public to be debated and weighed in on by, if not the People themselves, then at least legislators a whole lot closer to the people than the career federal politicians the amendment would turn out. Not only that but it gives challengers and incumbents alike a great campaign platform plank over the next few months.

It's a sad commentary on the state of the electorate
malbis Tuesday, November 10th at 3:15PM EST (link)but a true one. And it isn’t a recent phenomenon.
Since World War II, 90% of incumbents have been re-elected at the national level. The rate is 88% for the Senate, and 96% for the House.
Even in 1992, 88% of incumbents were re-elected. Then, and in 1994 (90%) were the lowest rates going back to 1974 (again, 88%) and 1970 (85%). From ‘98 on until 2006, the rate was around 98%. And it only dipped to 94% in the last two election cycles!
From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:
I'm inclined to disagree with Sen. DeMint on this.
Steph C Tuesday, November 10th at 3:15PM EST (link)It’s not term limits that are the problem. If an elected official isn’t doing as he ought, it’s easy enough to vote him or her out in the next round of elections.
It’s the attitude that needs changing; the very attitude of elitism you quoted above. It takes getting people involved and interested in the consequences of elitism and apathy.
I don’t care if one spends an entire life in politics as long as he or she is doing as they ought to be doing rather than remaking the country to suit their own purposes.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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I am with you Steph C
pilgrim Tuesday, November 10th at 3:29PM EST (link)Since you did recommend my latest diary opposing term limits, I thought your position would be similar to mine.
A lame duck legislator who has no fear of voter backlash in the next election is not inclined to do what they ought to be doing. The states with the highest budget gap are also states with strict term limits. I am talking about California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Ohio, and Michigan. Now there are also states like Missouri and Nebraska who are doing ok, but I suspect this is not because of term limits. It has more to do with electing folks of good character. It always comes down to that.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Day one of their last term makes them so.
Steph C Tuesday, November 10th at 4:20PM EST (link)What could an official do in the 2-6 years to cement his own future at the expense of the people he or she is supposed to be representing?
Term limits won’t fix what is wrong with government.
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"Easy enough to vote them out?" HUH?
Common_Cents Tuesday, November 10th at 7:26PM EST (link)90+% incumbency rates? What more evidence do we need over a long period of time to show that something “ain’t right”.
Dr. Phil says, Hows that workin for ya. Our country has suffered great damage due to our “elected elites” continually doing damage and taking bold steps in preserving their elitism. DEMs just do it more boldly and much quicker. Golly gee, automatic pay raises so they can stay off the radar?
Drastic times needs some drastic action. Maybe affirmative action where it will be required to have X% small business owners in congress..
At the same time, I do think our apathy deserves what we get, but it really shouldn’t. There are so many outright lies and campaign promises deliberately broken its not even funny. Here the public tries to do a decent job according to campaigns to be deceived time and time again. Our “elected elite” are supposed to have some sort of fiduciary responsibility. Yet todays politcal game is lie your butt off to all voters to get elected, then do whatever you want and force the voter to catch you on it.
Something needs to be done here.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon - Well, unless he is ruining your country! Common Cents
A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.
Apathy plays into the incumbency gambit.
Steph C Wednesday, November 11th at 7:41AM EST (link)Also, only now are we beginning to truly utilize the internet in our activism. Incumbents can’t lie as easily as they did in the past because we’re right behind them exposing the lie for what it is.
Nor are we still apathetic because politics is moving at a much faster rate with more far reaching consequences.
The middle has woken up to the fact they are under attack and remembered that government works for us.
We can change things.
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Term limits might not be the
RJD Tuesday, November 10th at 8:35PM EST (link)way to go, but the Professional Politician needs to come to an end.
Not a term limit fan
gunnerbs Tuesday, November 10th at 3:37PM EST (link)On the other hand, I’m not a fan of career politicians, either. My solution would be to do the following:
1)Eliminate salaries for Representatives and Senators, and replace them with a per diem. This per diem would pay congressmen a daily amount equal to the amount military members would recive while on temporary duty to D.C (currently $300 or less a day, including lodging, meals, and incidentals), for the days they are in Washington.
2)Eliminate the congressional retirement plan.
3)Repeal the 17th Amendment, and make Senators accountable to state legislatures once more.
This, I think, would go a long way to reducing the amount of time congressmen spend in Washingtion (a good thing!) and would keep only those who are interested in working for the people around.
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Blue_Collar_Muse Tuesday, November 10th at 3:57PM EST (link)n/t
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Smaller Government! Lower Taxes! Stronger Defense! More Liberty! Complete Transparency!
I think if you did Points 1 and 2 I think a lot of Congressman/Senators would quit
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 7:06PM EST (link)and personally for lots of them that would be just fine. I think that would really well for lots of them. I’m not as sure about repealing the 17th Amendment since even in the most conservative states, a progressive is likely to win. Some state representatives/senators I wouldn’t even want to have breakfast/lunch or Dinner with.
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The 17th Amendment
gunnerbs Tuesday, November 10th at 7:17PM EST (link)leaves state governments with no representation in the federal government. This is not how it was designed, and seriously upsets the balance of power. This is the reason the Senate has to ratify treaties–because a treaty is in actuality the several states entering into an agreement with a foreign country. It’s also why spending bills must originate in the (people’s) house.
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No thanks
Menlo Tuesday, November 10th at 7:45PM EST (link)I would not have the Texas legislature, among the nation’s most incompetent, elect a dog catcher, especially after last year’s debacle over the house speaker.
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That's why I said that points 1 and 2 are ok
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 8:00PM EST (link)but Point 3 is unworkable. Really, are suppose to trust the State house where it’s now 77/74 or the state Senate where it’s razor thin and rats are running committees? I certainly don’t want that to happen until maybe we get rid of strait party voting here in Texas.
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Point 3
gunnerbs Tuesday, November 10th at 8:45PM EST (link)was workable until 1913, wasn’t it?
I hear what you are saying about state legislatures, but I think that is a separate problem. The state governments have had Zero representation for 75+ years–why should we be surprised when the 10th Amendment is now brushed aside in Washington?
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I won't consider a repeal of 17th amendment until we here in Texas get a larger margin of Republicans in the State house
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 9:00PM EST (link)until then no way. I’m not going to trust anything the Dems and their hand picked Speaker(Joe Strauss) to business of voting in a Senator.Really, I don’t want that to happen.
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That is not the problem
Menlo Tuesday, November 10th at 9:25PM EST (link)The Texas house does not need more Republicans; it needs better (or even acceptable) ones. A house full of Republicans like McCall and Strauss won’t be any better than what is there now. These people make Republicans in Congress look like conservative activists.
The only way to do that is to get conservatives to run in primaries.
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Well sitting there and doing isn't going to help p
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 9:43PM EST (link)we need go out there and maybe primary them ourselves. If they don’t want it we should just give it to them. BTW, there are more conservative Democrats in Texas House of Representatives than those 2(especially, Strauss). We have all the chance for conservatives but choose to not elect them.
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I'd love to but
Menlo Tuesday, November 10th at 10:00PM EST (link)Personal circumstances and health issues put that out of the question for me. Besides, my own representative, Ken Paxton, is one of the few better ones.
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I don't understand how people can argue against term limits.
Jim Tomasik Tuesday, November 10th at 4:21PM EST (link)It works for the President and for the Gov. of TN. It will work for the Congress as well.
All the lame duck stuff sounds pretty silly when you think about how almost all of the congress got re-elected after being in the single digit apporval ratings last year. How can it get any worse than that?
They are mostly a bunch of lame ducks who don’t care what the rest of us think now. At least we would see some better ideas come to the top. Candidates would be more inclined to debate issues during an election instead of hiding behind incumbancy and name recognition. Term limits would not put an end to these problems but it would cut back on them drasticly.
It won't work because when term limited they'll
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 10:24PM EST (link)simply go work for K street.
Politicians are people who sell their souls, and sell them pretty darn cheap. And that goes for both parties.
My personal preference would be to eliminate all “benefits” - retirement, health care, etc - for elected officials and for their top level staffs. Secondly, no member of their family could work for the government (other than as serving military) and no member could work in any capacity as a lobbyist or for a firm that lobbys the government for 10 years after leaving office.
I concur but we need to have them get paid per diem as well
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 10:30PM EST (link)that should cause quite a few to leave and never come back.
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The other thing we should do that would be even more effective
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 10:37PM EST (link)would be to limit the number of days in session for the Congress. Limit them to 180 days of session for the two year duration of the Congress and forbid them from meeting outside of DC for any reason, official or unofficial, unless specifically called into emergency session by the President for a set number of days to address a single issue.
I say that 140 a session(only the first year of a term) is a good idea
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 10th at 10:40PM EST (link)I don’t mind here and think it should work well in DC.
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They work for K-Street now.
Jim Tomasik Wednesday, November 11th at 8:23AM EST (link)My personal preference would be to eliminate all “benefits” - retirement, health care, etc - for elected officials and for their top level staffs. Secondly, no member of their family could work for the government (other than as serving military) and no member could work in any capacity as a lobbyist or for a firm that lobbys the government for 10 years after leaving office.”
I agree with the jist of your preferences but if you had your way, many of the RedState allstars currently elected would be unemployeed..
Time limit needed, not term limit...
extirpates Friday, November 13th at 3:03PM EST (link)The maximum limit should be 12 years of service at a stretch,
the individual can stand for election after they have been out of office for the same time they were in.
All lobbyists are banned from communicating with office holders for any reason.
But who would they lobby, then? :) nt
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