But I do…

I’m still waiting to hear someone tell us what we do if we give the Lugars and the Voiniviches everything they want and allow them to believe they can do anything they please to us and still command our loyalty.

I understand your argument and I’m persuaded to a certain extend…I’ll admit I’m pulled both directions on this issue and I’m sure somewhere along you will come to that line you will not cross…the only difference between us is that I used to think as you do but I’ve reached my line…how long will it be before you reach yours?

Reagan said:

If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based upon what we know in our hearts is morally right. We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion now in slavery behind the Iron Curtain, “Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skin, we are willing to make a deal with your slave masters.” Alexander Hamilton said, “A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” Let’s set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace–and you can have it in the next second–surrender.

Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face–that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand–the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he would rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin–just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard ’round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well, it’s a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, “There is a price we will not pay.” There is a point beyond which they must not advance. This is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater’s “peace through strength.” Winston Churchill said that “the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits–not animals.” And he said, “There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”

I know this part of “A Time for Choosing” is addressing the cold war and the Democrats wish to appease or surrender to the Soviet Union…but to my mind this speaks as equally to the problem Conservatives have with appeasing the establishment in the Republican Party and the Surrender that they always demand and have always gotten just like they did this year with McCain. This is why we’re dealing with our own leadership appeasing the Democrats and going along with the wholesale socialization of our country. 2008 has brought me to that “price the we won’t pay” and line “beyond which they must not advance”

Finally, I really don’t see how you figure this establishment as any less liberal today as they were back when Reagan was president and had to fight them tooth and nail because of the same people like Lugar and Voinovich! Look at how they are selling us doewn the river by appeasing the Democrats and buying into the wholesale rush to socialize the economy in the midst of the bailout feaver that has them in a trance!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

Senate Conservatives Fund House Conservatives Fund Michael Williams for Senate

Marco 2010 Toomey US Senate SarahPAC

I do not blame politicians, even so-called conservative politicians, for being spineless. It’s in their DNA. Politicians get to be politicians by pleasing people; as conservatives the best we can hope for is that they will want to please us conservatives.

The real problem is that we conservative “rank-and-file” do not hold the so-called conservative politicians’ feet to the proverbial fire when start behaving, acting and liberally. And until we do, until the conservative “rank-and-file” gets the backbone to punish so-called conservative politicians who act, speak, vote, and govern like liberals (most often, all the while calling the liberalism “(compassionate) conservative”), then we will get spineless so-called conservatives leaders who constantly cave in to liberalism.

Provided that you figure out the difference between yelling at what you want the other person is saying, and what he or she is actually saying.

And I see you’re still a spineless tool of the Dems and a loser. You really should hang out at the RMSP. Bring some good cheese though, they’ve got great whine.

And it’s the far left agenda. And Democrats are advancing it. The Blue Dogs are just as responsible for it as Barney Frank, they just aren’t as honest about it as Barney.

Frankly, I’ve got significantly more respect for Frank and the Lefty Crazies than I do for the Jim Webb types. Frank etal are open and honest about where they’re going and why. Webb etal are simply fools and tools. And every bit the enemy as Bill Ayers.

If Conservative Democrats want to help Republicans then be Republicans…if Liberal Republicans want to help Democrats…then be Democrats…

Let’s have some truth in advertising…because when Republicans get in office they can never get anything done because of Liberal Republicans cutting them off at the knees and ruining our credibility with the electorate. All the while Blue dog Democrats talk the talk but when it comes down to brass tacks…they vote the Democrat Party Line!

That’s how we always lose…Dems have party discipline and their moderates can be counted on to stay on the reservation in a pinch…with Republicans it’s just the opposite…we can count on our moderates to leave the reservation as they thumb their noses at us to rub it in!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

Senate Conservatives Fund House Conservatives Fund Michael Williams for Senate

Marco 2010 Toomey US Senate SarahPAC

Of course that means we have to have leaders who will champion it which we don’t have now…the push has to come from us on the grass roots…once the politicians see it’s a winner for them they’ll jump on the bandwagon even if they never intend to vote for it…and we’ll have advance conservatism in the process by having the fight!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

Senate Conservatives Fund House Conservatives Fund Michael Williams for Senate

Marco 2010 Toomey US Senate SarahPAC

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Actually, my alternative to term limits would be to codify the following (no amendments needed):

The following would apply to elected officials, House and Senate Members, and all staff above a specified GS level. They would receive no benefits. No medical benefits, no retirement benefits. If they want to buy their own insurance coverage they can, but they cannot participate in the federal employees program. They can fully fund their own 401K or other retirement program, No matching funds.

With respect to Members, they and all members of their immediate families are barred for life (15 years would work) from employment by any firm doing business with or lobbying the federal government. Nor can they be employed as a lobbyist. If the ban is not for life, it would begin on the day the Member takes office and extend for the designated period after the Member left office.

Staffers are the real permanent government in legislative bodies and high-level merit system employees are the real permanent government in executive agencies. This is especially true with Republican governments since the Rs tend to elect hail fellow well met types with no government experience and who don’t know where the light switches and rest rooms are in government offices.

If you want permanent Democrat government, just enact term limits. The staffers wll all lean Democrat because they know Republicans won’t fire them and Democrats will fire them for even thinking Republican thoughts. So, staffs and bureaucracies are “self cleaning” all it takes is a Democrat coming along every so often to get all the Republicans out.

An article from the Guardian because the US papers won’t give you much.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2007/March/07_nsd_161.html

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202421950304

and according to Jason Glasser in mbeckers link, Holder is defending this suit:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/14/chiquita.lawsuit/

I am certain he is the man to prosecute the terrorists from Guantanamo.. NOT!

Regards