Americans are rightly concerned that a government-run health care plan will lead to changes with their own health insurance. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to draw the conclusion that employers will drop coverage once the government starts meddling with the financial incentives.
This is a problem for the White House, and it’s why President Obama uses every opportunity to tell Americans, “If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance.”
Unfortunately for Obama, Americans don’t believe him. Why? Maybe because he’s done nothing to back it up. Propaganda czar Linda Douglass’ “reality check” video is comical in that her defense of “You can keep your own insurance” cites nothing but Obama’s own statements as evidence — as if he’s an independent arbiter.
The Heritage Foundation (where I work) last month asked The Lewin Group, a highly respected health care policy and management consulting firm, to examine the impact of H.R. 3200 on private insurance. Lewin reported 88.1 million Americans could be transitioned out of their current plan as employers opt out of continuing their existing coverage. The chart below reveals the consequences for people living in Maine, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Virginia.
As you can see, Obama’s rhetoric simply doesn’t add up when the numbers are crunched. It’ll take more than repetition from White House to sway the American people on this one.
Robert and to the rest of RS guys, can you confirm AARP's current debacle?
Rod_Patrick Tuesday, August 11th at 10:01PM EDT (link)Obama in NH just claimed that AARP fully supports the Bill.
AARP on Fox, on the other hand, backtracked and distanced itself from Obamacare.
Some rumors say that AARP has been losing enrollees SO FAST in the last few weeks.
Protest
SteveLA Tuesday, August 11th at 10:12PM EDT (link)R_P
I’m old enough that I could join the Insurance company called the ARRP but don’t mostly for the way they lobby for left wing causes.
I’m thinking of a new protest of sending back their prepaid mailers asking me to join with a bit red NOOBAMA CARE written on the material.
That would make a good protest. Or even better one, get current members to cut their cards up and send them back to AARP with NO OBAMA CARE included.
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Competency over ideological purity
Send back the pre-paid mailer w/ a note
popdaddy Tuesday, August 11th at 10:57PM EDT (link)Ok, it’s juvenile, but I took great pleasure in using the AARP pre-paid return envelopes to include a note why I would never consider giving money to a socialsit democrat front group. It took a few years but someone got the message. I great fun again when my wife turned 50 a couple of years ago!
Jake Tapper has the story
Robert Bluey Tuesday, August 11th at 10:23PM EDT (link)He filed this report for ABC News today:
That's not a surprise
Richard Mullins Tuesday, August 11th at 10:30PM EDT (link)AARP is usually all over the map on things like this and those in the Townhalls saying that they AARP is in Support means that they are off message. I’m sure there is only one thing that AARP is for, it’s bottom line and simply supporting a controversial bill like HR 3200 isn’t good for the bottom line.
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Can someone please
DerKrieger Tuesday, August 11th at 10:24PM EDT (link)…address the most basic of issues with Obamacare which is its unconstitutionality.
The 10th Amendment to the US Constitution says:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”…
and nowhere in the explicit enumeration of federal powers is the power to create a national health care plan.
At the root of the growing opposition to Obamacare, in my opinion, is the recognition that the federal government has been encroaching on our Constitutional liberties and expanding its power at the expense of the states for generations and Americans are pushing back. Maybe, just maybe we can put this genie back in its Constitutional bottle. If we allow them to ignore the Constitution now, then the document becomes near meaningless. All we’ll be left with is the 1st Amendment to protect strip clubs.
Progressives do not stop. Ever. So if they manage to get this passed, what’s next? Abolition of 401ks, IRA, private pensions? There must be a line in the sand.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Look at the healthcare plans in the states that have tried them...
izoneguy Tuesday, August 11th at 10:30PM EDT (link)Massachusetts plan was a disaster:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/29/health-reform-massachusetts-opinions-contributors-obama-insurance.html
Tennessee was a disaster:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005987
Oregon is a disaster:
http://www.oregoncatalyst.com/index.php/archives/635-Rep.-Richardson-Coming-Health-Care-Disaster.html
Hawaii had a healthcare disaster:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/hawaiis_hard_health_care_lesson_135426.htm
GOVERNMENTS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Thank goodness I live in Texas
Richard Mullins Tuesday, August 11th at 10:33PM EDT (link)were the politicians haven’t done something that stupid.
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What will Perry do
DerKrieger Tuesday, August 11th at 10:37PM EDT (link)…if Obamacare passes?
Copy Arizona: http://www.azhealthcarefreedomact.com/
and Florida: http://www.azhealthcarefreedomact.com/article/will-florida-ban-national-health-care
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That won't come
Richard Mullins Tuesday, August 11th at 10:45PM EDT (link)but if I get the text of Demint’s senate bill, I’ll email my state rep(Debbie Riddle) and State Senator(Dan Patrick) before 2011. There is no chance for it know since there isn’t another emergency session of the Ledge. I want Texas to be a model to other states.
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The Texas legislature is worthless.
Menlo Wednesday, August 12th at 12:31AM EDT (link)There are people like Dan Patrick and a small handful of house Republicans, but most Republicans in there are well to the left of Perry (and the voters). They bend over backwards for the Democrats and do not support Perry’s effort and actively fight against any conservative proposals. That new RINO house speaker and how he got to power is a perfect example of what’s wrong.
With regard to the tenth amendment, the house caved (in typical fashion) to a single Democrat’s opposition to affirming support for the tenth amendment. She claimed to be afraid it would bring back slavery and segregation.
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That's for now
Richard Mullins Wednesday, August 12th at 12:41AM EDT (link)we can only hope for 2010(no O on the ticket). I lot of of our Republicans in the Ledge want to simply get along(I really miss Tom Craddick as Speaker of the Texas House), When our Republican in the State House get attacked for cutting SCHIP, don’t cave in.
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Thank God the Texas legislature only meets every other year
izoneguy Wednesday, August 12th at 12:49AM EDT (link)n/t
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Yeah an only 140 days to boot
Richard Mullins Wednesday, August 12th at 1:02AM EDT (link)God do I love the State constitution(or maybe Vernon’s Civil Statues).
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Here is what Perry might do
izoneguy Tuesday, August 11th at 10:54PM EDT (link)Perry raises possibility of states’ rights showdown with White House over healthcare
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1504240.html
Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states’ rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president’s healthcare plan, which he said would be “disastrous” for Texas.
Interviewed by conservative talk show host Mark Davis of Dallas’ WBAP/820 AM, Perry said his first hope is that Congress will defeat the plan, which both Perry and Davis described as “Obama Care.” But should it pass, Perry predicted that Texas and a “number” of states might resist the federal health mandate.
“I think you’ll hear states and governors standing up and saying ‘no’ to this type of encroachment on the states with their healthcare,” Perry said. “So my hope is that we never have to have that stand-up. But I’m certainly willing and ready for the fight if this administration continues to try to force their very expansive government philosophy down our collective throats.”
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
GOVERNMENTS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS
DerKrieger Tuesday, August 11th at 10:36PM EDT (link)I absolutely agree but the states, unlike the federal government, are Constitutionally allowed, or not prohibited, to try.
The advantage of their trying is that if they fail the impact is limited rather than felt by all of us. If they fail they are likely not so invested in the plan that they refuse to repeal or drastically alter it.
As Louis Brandeis said the states are the “laboratories of democracy”.
Another little noticed or discussed consequence of federalism is that it acts as another check on tyranny. If states become oppressive in their taxation or regulation, citizens are free to leave. That alone acts as a check on the excesses of government. The usurpation of the states’ powers by the Fed leaves us no escape.
I support states trying….and failing due to minimization of collateral damage.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Let Us Lay To Rest Another Obama Lie
hunter Tuesday, August 11th at 10:39PM EDT (link)I for one am tired of team Obama’s claim that their government run health plan will ‘keep the insurance companies honest’.
If the insurance companies are dishonest, go after them.
Insurance in the United States is heavily regulated, closely scrutinized, and subject to both civil and criminal penalties.
Government programs are not heavily scrutinized, their audits are a joke,and they are exempt from nearly all legal recourse.
Obama is no doctor. He never attended medical school. He does not understand industry. He has never had the responsibility of running anything except campaigns. Obama has no respect for working people. He has never been one.
Call him out.
hunter
A pre-emptive response about the Lewin Group
mcg Tuesday, August 11th at 10:58PM EDT (link)Some lefties have been criticizing the Lewin Group report because they are connected in some way to Big Pharma. I don’t recall the exact connection, but they claim it destroys all credibility the group has, and proves that the Republicans are simply in bed with the medical companies.
The problem is that the Lewin Group has *also* been commissioned by Democrats, and their studies quoted by Democrats, when doing so advances the cause of universal health coverage. For instance, check these guys out: http://www.healthcareforall.org/studies.html
I pointed this out to one of my lefty buddies who was screaming about the Lewin Group, and he shut up pretty fast.
But Big Pharma is all in for Obamacare
WarEagle01 Wednesday, August 12th at 9:30AM EDT (link)They’re even running ads (”Harry and Louise”) supporting it. Make sure you let your lefty friend know that as well.
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they keep repeating the lie
Janice Cantore Wednesday, August 12th at 12:03AM EDT (link)I just came from a “town hall” in Calif, Adam Schiff, he and his panel of blow hards ALL repeated “If you like your insurance you keep it.” Even when asked about where it says in the bill that you must go to the goverement if your job drops you, Schiff said “That’s not in the bill and I’ve read the bill, if you like youir insurance you keep it.” I felt like I was in an alternate universe. This their taking point, they will keep lying like the liar in chief. Another mantra “This is deficit neutral. Obama care will not raise costs, only keeping things te same will cost more.”
Just shoot me.
Janice Cantore