Marty Peretz of the New Republic is usually a thoughtful liberal. I enjoy the New Republic. That’s why I was rather stunned by this article.
Some parents don’t like the idea of the President beeming his image into every school in the country on Tuesday. I think a lot of people have gotten carried away with criticizing the president on this, but I’ll admit that I dislike it, too. I dislike it not because the President’s speech is too political, but because it is not political. As I note here, the President really has nothing to say about government policy. Here’s the speech in a nutshell: “Welcome back to school. Stay in school, work hard.”
My kids don’t need to hear that from the President. This is a President who once again shows that he has no idea of the proper role of government. If the President wants to talk about governmental affairs, great. I’d love for him to stop by our school to do so. That would be a great experience for the kids. But I do not want the President trying to raise my children. When people ask, “how can you object to the President urging kids to stay in school,” I ask them what they’d think if I stopped by their house one night, uninvited, to tell their kids how to behave.
But Marty Peretz takes the cake. You know what Peretz thinks? He writes, ”it is almost disloyal to refuse any children the right to hear him. Disloyal and nutty.” Well gee, Martin, thanks for the “almost,” at least on the first try.
Where’s Hillary when you need her?

Where's the essay "How did President Bush inspire me?"
6eorge Jetson Monday, September 7th at 9:57PM EDT (link)Or “What did I do to help President Bush?”
Hmmm ... Guess I'm Disloyal.
hondav65 Monday, September 7th at 10:02PM EDT (link)My youngest goes to Catholic school now - not sure if they will show the POTUS there or not - don’t really care - my daughter already knows this President is a liar.
Had to enlighten her early. Last year in public school she came home crying about the polar bears dieing from Global Warming. Her teachers were feeding her the whole “we’re doomed” line and - well I live in the Republican South but we still have a liberal teacher problem in the public schools.
Anyway - that is when I had to tell her that what her teachers were saying was untrue. Had to explain to her the whole political dynamic - and how people want to manipulate her fears to manipulate her liberty. It was a difficult talk - because you don’t want her to think that the math and reading she’s being taught is untruthful. I had to teach her how to tell the difference.
She’s only nine - but we have political discussions all the time. She’s seen the President say one thing and turn around and say something else to a different crowd.
So she’s definitely “O-Savvy”.
She’s beyond his control.
Do you really have one?????
mbecker908 Monday, September 7th at 10:10PM EDT (link)It Takes A Village
roscopico Monday, September 7th at 10:03PM EDT (link)The Statist believes parents are incapable of doing their job on their own… therefore the State must inject itself to carry out proper parenting.
The motivation is transparent if one places oneself in the Statist perspective.
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…
A very bizarre end to Peretz's little article
Jack_Savage Monday, September 7th at 10:07PM EDT (link)He goes into this little rant about how Barack Obama is the “quintessential patriot”, whatever in the hell that means to the left these days. Of course, that is not the issue concerning the speech, which we all have covered here.
Very bizzare.
No Credibilty
rjhfl Monday, September 7th at 10:19PM EDT (link)Obama has demonstrated that he is the most partisan, leftist, lying individual ever to occupy the White House, and it did not take him long to do it (because he is not really very bright, and has no actual people skills). He has used up his “benefit of the doubt” with the American people. Even though he may have the best of intentions in this case (which I seriously doubt), he no longer has any credibility. His presidency is effectively over.
Does no one remember this?
NightTwister Monday, September 7th at 10:22PM EDT (link)As I remember, they were just being taught to do what they could to help Obama. It’s the curriculum from the DoE that bothered me more than him giving the speech. I tend to agree with you here though, there’s no there there to his speech. My kids have enough work to do in and out of school to have to take time away for this.
Get Connected in Colorado.
Disloyal and nutty, with a slight jasmine undertone
blooch Monday, September 7th at 10:23PM EDT (link)Enjoy our glass of whine, Marty.
“…the right to hear him…” It’s always a right with the left, isn’t it? It’s just another *chance* to hear him, Marty. And trust me here: Obama is going to make himself plenty available for the kids to hear him talk.
It’s not like it’s Halley’s Comet, dude.
“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth
More reasons to hate the president's speech to school kids
Brad Smith Monday, September 7th at 11:40PM EDT (link)Analyzing the text of the President’s message a bit more closely, I found myself chaffing at the statist nature of the talk. Obama has a message that students must strive and take responsibility - that’s the OK message I guess - but for what?
“What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.” In other words, you owe it to the state.
“We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.” In other words, you owe it to the state.
“I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?” In other words, your life is not for you, it is for us, the state.
“I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too.” Translation - you must serve the state, which provides for you.
“So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down.” You owe us. You belong to us.
Brad Smith
Professor of Law
Capital University Law School
Capital University website
Center for Competitive Politics website
Worry about your own legacy, Obama.
blooch Tuesday, September 8th at 12:09AM EDT (link)“What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?”
Ummm…nothing, because Presidents look small when they complain about what people did 20, 50 , or 100 years ago?
OK, OK… Barry’s personal favorite fantasy future president says this:
“One of my illustrious predecessors, President Obama ,strove mightily to roll this nation forward, but an entire generation of teabagger spawn wouldn’t listen to him, didn’t do their homework, stuck gum under the desks, and generally ruined this country for a while, until President Obama put the “Re” back in “Education”…All students will now turn to page 60 in “The Audacity of Hope”.
“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth
I honestly thought that was a reference to ...
Moriah Tuesday, September 8th at 12:25AM EDT (link)…. the concept of the “Greatest Generation” — of which my grandmother is one. In other words, that they wouldn’t be looking back and saying negative things, but saying positive ones. Similar things have also been said of the generation that fought World War I.
Blessings,
Moriah
Positive or negative, Obama has it backwards, Moriah.
blooch Tuesday, September 8th at 8:55AM EDT (link)First, it is stunningly arrogant of Obama to believe that people are concerned about how their lives might be commented on by a future president, and it is unsettling that he is trying to get our children to think of their lives form that perspective. In this country, both Left and Right frame issues in terms of what effect our actions will have on our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. This is as it should be, because it allows every individual to perceive his or her actions in a more personal way, and makes them answerable to their own family first.
Obama is taking an entire cohort of schoolchildren who, since they have no children of their own, do not yet understand the love and sense of responsibility that comes naturally to most parents. These kids cannot be swayed yet by the “we need to do this for our grandchildren” argument, so Obama comes to fill the gap with his ersatz “we need to do this so the president will say nice things about us” argument. To me , that is creepy.
Second, this whole “striving for generational excellence”, which seems to have started with the “Greatest Generation”, is a modern conceit, and it has grown tiresome. There is a focus on Generational Achievement nowadays that borders on obsessive. A Generation is now perceived as a homogeneous mass with distinct boundaries in time, and it must rise as a whole to achieve some great task or right some great wrong. I hit the “Previous Channel” button every time I hear the sound of Bono crooning, “Every generation gets a chance to change the world” in some commercial, because the fact is that every “generation” does not get that chance, nor does every “generation” want or deserve that chance.
It is interesting that the two generations you refer to were war generations. Most people are content to live uneventful lives free of cataclysm. They have no itching, burning desire to change the world. They are content to be responsible and self-reliant, raise their children and look out for their neighbors.
In the end most people are not concerned with what any person will say about them, but what God will say.
“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth
About them being war generations....
Moriah Wednesday, September 9th at 5:17AM EDT (link)…. I’m not certain how much of it, at least for my grandmother, was the war — she worked in a garment factory, not a munitions factory, though they did switch to making uniforms for a time. My grandfather had a heart condition and was colorblind, so he wasn’t able to fight (even though he tried to enlist).
What has struck me about her generation is strong ethics. Work hard, love your spouse, save money, raise your kids well, sometimes raise your grandkids too. She had no idea what to do with herself after she retired — at age 79. My grandfather built his own business, doing door-to-door sales on credit to the poor in Little Rock — on all sides of the tracks. Two of his sisters, as well as one of my grandmother’s sisters, were the first in our family to go to college. I always thought it had to do more with growing up during the Depression than the war.
Blessings,
Moriah
Perhaps "war generation" is an imprecise definition.
blooch Wednesday, September 9th at 9:00AM EDT (link)A cohort which comes of age during a compressed time period of shared sacrifice and hardship might be a better way of putting it. Even within this kind of generation there are divisions in perception and experience which makes its definition as a generation somewhat artificial. My father, who was born in 1934, has vague childhood memories of life in the Great Depression and vivid memories of life during wartime. My mother was born just six years later, and she missed the Great Depression completely and remembered almost nothing about the war. While my father was returning from service in the Korean War, she was starting high school. He never cottoned much to Rock ‘n Roll, but it defined her high school experience, and the ’60’s brought the differences in their experiences into sharp contrast, even though they were less than 6 years apart in age.
It seems that what we define as a generation has a reverse image American political culture at large. Politically, we can break down our culture into three roughly equal groups: one third is solidly on the Left, one third is solidly on the right, and one third belongs to the more ambivalent middle. Yet when we break down a generation into groups, the eldest third has much shared identity with those who came just before, the youngest third shares many traits with their younger siblings, and those in the middle are most emblematic of the core definition of their generation.
What Obama seems to be trying to do with his speech to schoolchildren is to put his imprint on the definition of the next generation. Though it is a little less obvious now that his speech has been “recalibrated”, the gist of it remains as, “Ask what your President can do for you, and what you can do for your President.” It may be paranoid of me to think this way, but Obama’s hubris makes him quite capable of overstepping so grandiosely.
I find it interesting that more than half of the group his speech was targeting has no recollection of 9/11, while the other part is going to carry some memory of it to their grave.
“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth
What's this "I'm" crap
Cheryl Tuesday, September 8th at 1:36AM EDT (link)like it’s coming out of his pocket? Ok, maybe I’m reading too much into it. His I’ma god thing just really gets me cranky.
I read the new speech off Drudge, still too much "I" and "me"
archer52 Monday, September 7th at 11:41PM EDT (link)You are correct. He has no right to be speaking to the kids in such an nationalized method. His goal, regardless of the new speech put out there, is too implant his face and his message into our kid’s brains.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/
Even as he tries to stay above the personalization, he can’t. There are too many “me too” and “look how tough my life was” moments in the speech.
When I heard about the speech I felt he was reaching too far into the lives of our kids. It isn’t his job. He has enough to do without spending time recruiting our kids into some kind of political effort (save the environment portion of the speech). I was convinced then he wanted to be the face of the government to our children, ala Chavez and others throughout history.
He forgets in four years he may not be the face of anything anymore, other than a one term President trying to stay ahead of Carter for being the worst one in American history.
ok, let's hear it again from Pelosi, Reid, Obama....
illinois Monday, September 7th at 11:47PM EDT (link)Dissent or any disagreement with our dear leader is unamerican, unpatriotic & downright dangerous, And, iIf any of us keep misbehaving—-by talking back, they’re going to hit us twice as hard, bite our fingers off, redistribute our healthcare, etc, etc. We got it , we got it! Except we’re damn well not sitting down and shutting up anymore and in fact we intend to clean house and retire the buffoons!
After reading that speech....
izoneguy Monday, September 7th at 11:59PM EDT (link)“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Any children the right to hear him
antisocial Tuesday, September 8th at 12:44AM EDT (link)He is on TV every other day. Sometimes almost every day. If somebody wants to grant their children right to hear him switch on your TV.
btw…. the lesson plan crap was over the line…. even for a sleazy administration
No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
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John M. McHugh (NY-23)
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Get Schooled by Obama - Sept 8
surgeusaorg Tuesday, September 8th at 12:51AM EDT (link)Wake up! This is about more than his speech in school.
http://www.surgeusa.org/actions/sept8.htm
That evening, “Get Schooled: You Have the Right” launches on all Viacom networks. The related website pushes lobbying of governors for the Obama education agenda. It also leads into related social networking sites on Facebook and Twitter to create a channel for communicating directly with any kids and parents who are drawn into this. That creates plausible denial to get around legal constraints on White House lobbying activities - but many of those governors will be up for election in 2010, and many teachers and school administrators have been very reliant on federal stimulus funds recently to save their school budgets and jobs, with more money still in play.
surgeusa.org - you need to write a diary on this - THANK YOU
Jack_Savage Tuesday, September 8th at 2:31PM EDT (link)This gets more sickening the more I get into it.
Everyone - check out the links. This gets more and more disturbing.
Interesting Contrast:
Joe_Cor Tuesday, September 8th at 5:54AM EDT (link)Disloyalty to a conservative means disloyalty to your country. For instance, selling missile technology to fill the coffers of your political party. Telling lies about your country. Apologizing to totalitarian dictators for nonexistent crimes your country allegedly committed. Engaging in practices the undermine the security or honor of your country.
Disloyalty to a liberal means not supporting specific policies of a liberal politician. Not showing a particular liberal politician the deference the left wants him/her to have. Challenging particular policies of a liberal politician. Engaging in lawful acts that challenge the domestic political agenda of that politician.
The left, being vulnerable on the issue of patriotism, has co-opted the concept, and re-defined such that it now can be used as a weapon for their statist agenda.
While there are way too many "me mes" in this speech, the worry I have is what is after.
ocleverone Tuesday, September 8th at 6:29AM EDT (link)You can bet that it won’t be “okay kids, speech is over. Turn to page 52 in your math book”.
It will be a long conversation and plan laying to enforce this mess.
I came home from NC late last night to find that my children’s school will be showing the speech today. I found out through their website. No opt out notice, no alternate plans, no notice period. They attend a PRIVATE school.
I sent a blistering email to the Head Master of the school. I am so livid. Needless to say, I will be picking my children up at noon to take them to lunch and to the library to get books on the Constitution and The Federalist Papers.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
i would alter your response...
bags64 Tuesday, September 8th at 6:40AM EDT (link)You wrote:
“When people ask, “how can you object to the President urging kids to stay in school,” I ask them what they’d think if I stopped by their house one night, uninvited, to tell their kids how to behave.”
I tell people that I would not allow anyone I do not trust (who has proven to be utterly untrustworthy) to address my children.
This is turning out to be a wonderful teaching moment.
Even I missed it, until I got it. Obama's future voters.
archer52 Tuesday, September 8th at 11:11AM EDT (link)As I’m blogging and commenting, I cemented my opinion around the effort for Obama to convert young school children into Obamanites.
Then, as I thought some more about recruitment, it hits me with a Homer Simpson moment. DUH! My daughter is almost fifteen, she will be turning eighteen during 2012. She’ll miss being able to vote by a few months, but she is the exception. Most of the students that are fifteen will be able to cast their first vote for President in the 2012 election! And who is the only person who will be running that they have seen in school? Yep, a smack in the forehead.
Sure, Obama wants to recruit at all levels, but this is a direct effort to peel off first time voters. The same voters who he promised he is working on getting new “FREE” stuff like computers and supplies so they can excel and follow their dreams. (Read the text of the re-done speech. One can only wonder what the original draft looked like.)
Talk about a direct marketing effort. Billy Mays would be struck dumb in amazement. How many captive members of this audience will he put his face in front of? According to the one report I looked at- over sixteen million. Sixteen million!! Sixteen million half paying attention, all confused about life, rebellious, looking for a reason for living, easily persuaded kids who will see one person who claims to understand and care for them. And lucky for them, he is running for President in 2012 again! Wow! Time to make a change, to make a statement, and vote your future. Students are the key to revolutions. Their numbers, raw energy and ease of manipulation are great assets to have when challenging the status quo.
Chavez has to be going “Darn, I wish I had thought of that! Thing would have gone smoother.”
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/venezuela/090130/students-lead-opposition-hugo-chavez
I’m sorry, I violated my own rule on this one. I forgot to always look through the prism of “How do they stay in power” before looking for other motives. I thought maybe this was about recruiting ideologues to the cause, but that only serves a small segment of the radicals. No, Obama and his crew are about power and robbery. They want the power as long as they can get it in order to be able to rob this nation blind. It is and always has been about them “getting theirs.”
Again, sorry.
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/08/23/why-socialize-america-lets-play-the-agenda-game/
Bush spoke to a school on it's opening for the year
anotherindyfilmguy Tuesday, September 8th at 1:00PM EDT (link)and the lefties in Congress went nuts calling for and actually launching investigations etc.
Obama wanted to do something worse than is now portrayed by the MSM-his speech did cross the line that Bush did not and has since been “altered” due to public outcry.
IMO it is just more of the O’ being Narcissistic than anything else. While the O’ being on TV nearly all the time is very creepy in a 1984 way, the reality, to me, is that he does think the POTUS is “the dear leaser” who should be in on everything anyone does and a glaring example of why “lefty liberals” need to be shoved to the dustbin of history before they cause anymore damage than they already have.
PMIF
anotherindyfilmguy Tuesday, September 8th at 1:01PM EDT (link)“Dear Leader” not “dear leaser”….
Ann Althouse on Obama's speech to schoolkids:
Paul_In_Houston Tuesday, September 8th at 2:02PM EDT (link)Obama’s speech to kids is nearly 10x as long as the Gettysburg Address (which was given to adults).
One commenter:
Ha, this will play out exactly as I thought it might. My son adores Obama - entirely from things he’s heard at school. By the end of this, he’s going to think of the dude as just one more boring windbag.
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needed to specify U.S. government
RJD Tuesday, September 8th at 2:41PM EDT (link)“This is a President who once again shows that he has no idea of the proper role of government.”
Should have been U.S. government. Obama more and more strikes me as Castro-lite. Castro was/is infamous for using the bully pulpit, if just to hear himself speak; making “grand” speeches to captive audiences. Am I being extreme, sure, a little. But it’s the mindset - the need - Obama feels to make these appearances and in the way he so far has.
Bully pulpit
guyatherton Tuesday, September 8th at 8:07PM EDT (link)The Presidency was called “the bully pulpit” long before President Obama was elected. All people elected to that office have had needs to perform (how ever you want to define that). It is not a normal person who gets elected due to all the sacrifices you make to get there.
Consistency please
guyatherton Tuesday, September 8th at 8:03PM EDT (link)President Reagan and President G.H.W. Bush both gave speeches to school children that were televised back in the 1980’s and 1990’s and no-one complained. So why are people complaining now? I would like to see consistency. I could understand the arguments against the speech if it was partisan but it said children should work hard, do their homework and that success comes through failures - a thoroughly conservative message.
Please calm down and don`t see a conspiracy or wrong doing in every action.
Teachers promoting the cult of personality
potter Wednesday, September 9th at 10:09AM EDT (link)Obama is depending on the radical teacher’s union to promote him as the great leader. How many readers realize that the NEA promotes Saul Alinsky’s books on their website? See below.
1. Obama is a union man to the core.
2. Government schools are run by the National Education Association, a teacher’s union.
2. The National Education Association is left-wing so it supports Obama’s agenda
3. Obama applies Saul Alinsky’s tactics.
4. The NEA promotes Saul Alinsky’s books on its website:
http://www.nea.org/tools/17231.htm
5. The NEA has posted this (in my view, anti-American) document on its website [note the tattered American flag!]:
http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/EW-PuttingOurValuesToWork.pdf
When will SOMEONE in the conservative blogs finally take this information and run with it?
TO: hondav65 COMMENT NUMBER 1*
geraldstephens Saturday, October 3rd at 11:39AM EDT (link)You said it all, precluding the necessity of reading further!
THANK YOU
Gerald Stephens