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My Favorite Oxymoron: Tolerant Liberals

There's Not Much Love for Free Speech, Either

There’s no defending a comparatively few violent criminals who think molotov cocktails are an acceptable form of political expression. But what do you say about hundreds of liberal Democrats from one Maryland community who want to boycott a business whose owner dares to show his support for John McCain?

The sign went up Sunday evening, bold black letters against the stark white background of the marquee at the Colony South Hotel & Conference Center in Clinton: “Country First. McCain/Palin.”

By daybreak, pandemonium had broken loose all across heavily Democratic Prince George’s County. Many local supporters of Democrat Barack Obama, jolted by the message as they headed down Branch Avenue on their Monday morning commutes, grabbed cellphones and BlackBerrys to notify friends. Operators of neighborhood e-mail group lists cried foul to their memberships. The NAACP logged calls. Community leaders demanded boycotts of the hotel, a common venue for Democratic events.

“Businesspeople have to be mindful of the sentiments and sensibilities of their market trading area, and Prince George’s County is overwhelmingly for Obama,” said community activist Arthur Turner of Kettering, who was among those advocating a boycott. “People I have talked to look at the sign as a slap in the face. They feel it was blatant disrespect. . . . I have heard people say they will no longer patronize Colony South because of that disrespect.”

One Democrat even offers a comment that could have been used to defend a boycott of the Dixie Chicks:

“While a business has the right to display what it chooses, the public has a right to show its contempt for that decision, including boycotting,” said Mel Franklin, president of the Greater Marlboro Democratic Club.

So much for freedom of expression! Half the population of Clinton, Maryland seems ready to shut down the hotel simply because of the owner’s political views. Don’t expect a national focus however, on the attempts by Obama supporters to squelch dissenting views. That wouldn’t fit with the narrative.

And a side note: Prince George’s County is probably home to more federal employees than any other county in the nation. The hotel sits on one of the main commuting routes to downtown Washington. It’s more than likely that many of the boycott proponents are government workers.

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  • Andrewjbolton

    Literally, could you not write a book on this subject? I mean the most intolerant people I have met are liberals (okay, drill sergeants come in a close second).

  • redneck_hippie

    devices (i.e., molotov cocktails), here’s another one tossed in for free: Community Activitists (i.e. ACORN) + Government Workers (i.e. Congress) = economic destruction.

  • LiberalNutJob

    …(and I mean that sincerely)…does “Blam” ring a bell?

    Intolerance is a problem with humanity, not a particular party.

    Just my two cents.

  • shooflyguy68

    by some groups that are offended by those businesses’ support of gay rights and that offer same sex partner benefits?

    Recently McDonald’s stopped their support for an organization that championed gay rights under pressure from Conservative groups. I’m sure that you were outraged that McDonald’s could possibly lose business simply because of their political views.

    • TexasTom

      Are well cautioned that this is board for “Right” minded people and is considered a refuge from the spittle flecked ravings of the commie fringe. We do not infringe on right to speak one’s mind. Likewise we just don’t feel obliged to listen.

      Ain’t freedom a bitch?

      • Moe_Lane

        Because that’s the closest equivalent to what those people are trying to do in meatspace.

        Look, it’s real simple: there’s a class of people who get exceptionally defensive and agitated in the presence of Right-wing stuff. That’s their privilege: heck, they can even be neurotic about it with boycotts and whatnot. But I don’t think that we should pretend that it’s healthy of ‘em. Because it isn’t, much.

        Moe

        PS: The major practical difference between the boycott and “Blam” is that I and the other site mods actually do have the right to dictate community standards of decorum. Not very democratic of me, but then, this is private property.

        • bs

          which, of course, is the purpose of “Blam”. Of course, as soon as you demonstrate how your buds at DKos welcome the RedState crowd with open arms and respect, perhaps we’ll reconsider.

  • bonzai

    Liberals are rank hypocrites to the very core of their being, but I don’t have a problem with them boycotting this hotel. If they don’t like the owner/manager’s politics, they have a right to avoid giving her/her their money. If they decided to block the entrance, picket, or otherwise seek to intimidate those who do choose to do business with the hotel, that’s a different matter. Politics is religion for liberals. That’s why they act like enraged muslims when they confront those with a different worldview.

  • mbecker908

    I do have a huge problem with same people screeching about denial of “first amendment free speech” when Disney or the Dixie C*ts are on the receiving end.

    These folks are free to take their business wherever they’d like. So am I.

  • bobbymike

    I’m telling everyone that with the White House and congressional majorities in both houses this is only the beginning.

    First the “fairness doctrine”, some criminalization of political opponents, etc.

    Here is a thought for Redstate readers;

    **Maybe the Republicans are not agressively pursuing Dodd, Frank, Waters, et al as it relates to Fannie and Freddie because they fear reprissals come November

  • txaggies911

    Using a hypocritical argument to make an argument that liberals are hypocritical. I imagine several of the people here supported the boycott against Disney for their gay-friendly policies, or the boycott of the Dixie Chicks for their comments about Bush.

    But the thing is…neither of those was an infringement on the offending group’s right to free speech. And this case isn’t either. No one is saying that Disney or the Dixie Chicks or this hotel owner don’t have the RIGHT to say what they want. They’re just exercising THEIR right not to support people they don’t want to support.

    Are you somehow arguing that people in the town should be obligated to patronize the establishment? I would hope not, any more than people don’t have an obligation to go to Disney World or by a Dixie Chicks CD.

  • mdc

    shadow of the things to come.

    • fromthetop

      WorldNetDaily.com
      September 18, 2008 ? Jack Cashill, [Part 1of 3]

      ?I picture the street coming alive, awakening from the fury of winter, stirred from the chilly spring night by cold glimmers of sunlight angling through the city.? Bill Ayers, Fugitive Days. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/whowrotedreamsfrommyfathe1.html

      ?Night now fell in midafternoon, especially when the snowstorms rolled in, boundless prairie storms that set the sky close to the ground, the city lights reflected against the clouds.? Barack Obama, Dreams From My Father. MORE
      http://www.cashill.com/natlgeneral/didbillayerswrite_1.htm

      • bs

        Frankly, I’d probably respond similarly to someone who trumpets about The One. I certainly wouldn’t patronize them, and I’d encourage my friends to follow suit. As you say, bonzai, I would certainly draw the line there and I have a huge problem with strongarm stuff like pickets, etc. (and the “Fairness Doctrine”) – that try to force others to conform to their beliefs.

  • simpson316

    Any individual or group has the right to protest against someone for something that they believe in.

    This really is a non-issue.

    • shooflyguy68

      • LiberalNutJob

        …even slightly arguing with your right to “blam.” My father and many in my family have fought for your right to do just that. Likewise, as someone who enjoys respectful discourse, I approve of your attitude — and action — toward genuine trolls.

        My observation lay elsewhere.

  • KBDay

    on the Republican facebook discussion forum. I think they must be giving points to liberal trolls to post there.

    The current Democratic Party leadership is the greatest threat to freedom of speech this country has seen in a very long time, in my opinion.

    • bs

      your posting implied that the elimination of certain people here was an example of intolerance. My observation is that people have the right to associate with whoever they see fit. And seeing as RedState is private property and not public domain, the owners have the right and privilege to keep this a place where like-minded folks (ie. GOP and conservatives) meet. Is that “intolerant?” Perhaps. But the Constitution doesn’t say we must “tolerate” others’ stupid opinions – it just says they have the right to voice them, within the bounds of other rights (such as private property). They don’t have the right to have their opinions heard or taken seriously.

      Note that you haven’t been banned yet. In my experience here, liberals who visit and make cogent arguments and who don’t simply spew talking points are tolerated.

      • JLenardDetroit

        nor am I against, in the light of upcoming liberal onslaught of tax increases, that people put Liberals out of their jobs by downsizing or out-right closing down businesses entirely to move them where people are cooperative and respectful. Leftist morons never grasp how tax increases ‘trickle down’ and cost jobs, so I hope you Dem’s enjoy the increased unemployment lines you’ll be standing in when your Leftist policies put your friends (if not yourself) out of a job.

        • LiberalNutJob

          …find fault with a single word of your last post, bs.

          I’d buy you a beer if this were a day off for me and you were in shouting distance — and could stand the presence of a lib nutjob.

          Y’all take care, I have to run out the door and take care of some business.

          Interesting place you got here.

          • JLenardDetroit

            shouldn’t any self-respecting Democrat (another oxymoron) supporter of Obambam that works there quit?? lol

          • shooflyguy68

            We were discussing boycotts. People and businesses have a right to support the parties, candidates and issues they want. Consumers have a right to vote with their wallets.

            I remember back in 2004, a group came out with a “Shop Blue” guide to supporting businesses that supported Democratic candidates. What they didn’t realizes is that it could also be used to identify which business supported Republican candidates. The guide showed that Chili’s generally supported Republicans and T.G.I. Friday’s supported Dems. My family and I started eating at Chili’s and avoiding Friday’s for a couple of years. Does that make me intolerant? I must admit that we eventually did go back to Friday’s because we had a taste for potato skins and Chili’s just doesn’t have them on the menu.

  • capitalist_dave


    Though I’m frustrated with the McCain (oh, wish it was the Palin campaign), here’s perspective on the daily tracking polls, especially Gallup. See the daily numbers from the 2000 race. For most of mid-late October, Bush maintained a significant lead, even up to 13-points. Well how’d that race turn out? Lil’ close? Take and breath and keep up the fight.

    • NohOne

      protesting McDonalds or Disney is looked at as a Conservative only protest. A friend of mine, a true liberal who is a reporter for AP, called me when those boycotts got big asking me not to go to either of those places because they support gay rights. I don’t eat at McDonalds, and don’t have kids so I don’t go to Disney, but that would not keep me from going to either of those places. But it is only conservative groups that are full of hate, right?

      But if some conservatives wish to boycott Burger King, I could go along with that. Remember “Diddy” (or whatever name he is going by this week) and his rant about Palin? He does commercials for Burger King. That is a protest against hatred.

  • hunter

    McCain is going to pull this out.
    And I think it is time to get behind this.
    WE are in the home stretch, and Obama has not pulled away.
    The lefty hacks have the phonied up report on Palin out now, and they got a nothing burger.
    McCain is tough, and has been tough.
    He will keep his word and fight.
    This hotel guy is expressing his civil rights, and the lefty hacks who want to shut him down over this are only sending more votes to McCain.

  • kowalski

    Eventually we’ll all become government workers paid out of the Charles Schumer National Bank.

    Prince George’s County has become a total cesspool: imagine the audacity of having an opposing view!

  • izoneguy

    if you have no ambition and enjoy being a zombama.

    • kowalski

      You know, looking at this and understanding that Prince George’s County is one of the most highly-educated areas in the country, anyone has to realize just how deeply totalitarianism has infiltrated the elite in Maryland.

      All their books are worth nothing: might as well burn them, and next maybe this business, because essentially that’s what they’re doing.

      The idea that having a campaign sign on your property will cause you to go bankrupt as a business is one step away from having it written into law that you’re a member of the untermenschen. In America, it’s probably even worse.

      • David_Hinz

        Imagine posting a McCain/Palin sign right out there where small children will see it.

        Imagine what might happen if some impressionable youngster asks their mommy or daddy, “Why do they have that sign on their lawn?”

        And the poor parent is left mumbling some blather about freedom of expression…

        have SOME respect for decency!

  • 29Victor

    not to “tolerate” them.

    Merriam Webster online says the etymology of the word is this:

    Latin toleratus, past participle of tolerare to endure, put up with; akin to Old English tholian to bear

    “Tolerating” someone means that you “put up with” them, not that you care about them or feel anything at all for them, but that they are a burden that you choose to bear. In fact, saying that you could “tolerate” someone used to be considered an insult.

    Think about it, where else do you hear the word “tolerate?”

    • Maybe from your doctor? “How bad is the pain, is it something you’re going to be able to tolerate?”
      • From your kids teacher? “We can no longer tolerate Jimmy’s behavior in the classroom.”

    We “tolerate” things that we would do away with if we could, but are forced to live with.

    Tolerance, the way liberals use it, is a sad counterfeit of love, created as a social necessity for keeping peace between groups of people who hate each other but need to work and live together (pretty much the definition of the Democratic Party, but also how many liberals see America).

    It is practiced for the good of society, not out of any special consideration of the individual. As such, when one group is seen as detrimental to society, it is no longer necessary to tolerate them. Like the handicapped kid in the lifeboat, if they are no longer contributing it’s time to toss them overboard.

  • Hazo

    but I agree that these people have every right to be boycotting something they don’t like (however misguided that may be).

    What I think is more troubling is how some people think that this sign was somehow “disrespectful.” This wasn’t a sign attacking Obama, it was merely a sign showing support for his opponent. Since when is disagreeing with someone something to be considered “disrespectful?”

    Reading the article, I also noted the following:
    “June White Dillard, president of the Prince George’s chapter of the NAACP, said the type of events (Democrat fundraisers) Colony South has booked in the past is the reason the sign cut so deeply. “

    Apparently, if you’re Republican, you aren’t allowed to lease your property out for Democrat events. Personally, I think it would be worse if Colony South had refused to allow any Democrat functions at their place because they were McCain supporters instead of just putting their sign out on the yard, but then again we are dealing with the same people who weren’t disgusted by Obama’s past boycott of Fox….

    • IJB

      What I’m looking for with the most interest is whether this website (and others like it) will even be allowed to exist by about Jan. 2010.

      I’d put the odds at 50/50.

      • AmericanMidge

        it’s says that security guards received a memo to put it up. As of the writing of the article nobody received a call back. I don’t see what local residents would be doing stay at the hotel so I don’t see it as a big deal. I mean what would they be boycotting exactly? An afternoon roll in the hay?

        The owner has a right to put up the sign and the potential customers don’t have to show up if they don’t want to. It’s still America.

  • jzlouisII

    Here are some of my favorite examples of liberal tolerance. Of course the media won’t draw any attention to these examples of enlightened behavior.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

    http://www.webtrec.com/ebay/palin3.jpg

  • Gatur80

    [But your need to push back on this is noted. - Moe Lane]

    • izoneguy

      Mike’s Profile
      Registered 17 minutes ago

      We can multi-task.

      All the balls are in the air.

      Since you only registered 17 minutes ago
      it would have been tough to do any in-depth
      reading of anyones diary.

      Start looking through mine first.

      In my mind the economy is number one.

      If Obama is elected the economy will
      go on the trash heap of history and
      we won’t have anything else to worry about.
      I have been pointing Obama supporters
      to this website.

      Thank you for your interest

      • PNW_old_surfer

        No. The biggest issue is the war

        … which for some reason, RedState doesn’t post about … and far-right conservatives don’t like to talk about.

        Why is that?

  • tankertodd

    This is this week’s new talking point. After hearing from liberals about how McCain is whipping up a racist frenzy on the right, Drudge has reminded us about true liberal openness and acceptance of people and ideas in this video.

    It’s simply disgusting. Election not withstanding, I think we need to think about organizing parades each week in liberal strongholds to break the stranglehold on free expression. Call it weekly marches with Morrie. Set up funding for folks with signs, flags and video cameras to parade in these areas until they accept it. Call it immunotherapy for intolerance. I also think some civil disobedience is also warranted. It could be beautiful.

  • John_Wayne

    Andrews Air Force Base is home to Air Force One, and is also in Prince George’s county. It is amazing that these tolerant liberals would allow G.W. Bush to even step foot in their Liberal Shangri La. I tell my wife often that most liberals I have known are the most intolerant, racist, bigoted, and sexist people on Earth. They hone in on differences in people that most Conservatives I know don’t seem to notice.

    • peg_c

      but I wish I could stay there and give that guy my money.

      He’s a brave and good soul.

  • Prink

    Let me say at the outset that everyone is acting within their rights here. It’s the hotel owner’s property, and if he wants to stick a sign there that’s his right. But the funny thing about free speech is that everyone has it, so if other people want to express their negative views, up to and including a call for a boycott, that is their right.

    Not all businesses are alike. They come in different sizes, and serve different needs. If, for example, the city’s tow truck contractor has Obama stickers on all his trucks, might someone with a McCain sticker on the car feel justified in being a little put out?

    A hotel is a public accommodation. They’re in the hospitality business. They take all comers, so long as they have the money and obey the rules. I think a sensible hotel owner would want everyone who walks through the door to feel comfortable. By taking sides with one candidate in a hard-fought national election, the hotelier is making some portion of his customers feel unwelcome.

    This is certainly his right, and I don’t dispute that. But it’s also the right of those who disagree with him to make their feelings known. I don’t know enough about the hotel business to be able to say what percentage of revenues or profit contribution comes from itinerant travelers as compared to more local enterprises that might book events in meeting rooms. My gut says that these are both substantial factors.

    My gut also tells me that the local enterprises are more volatile, or at least more personal, as opposed to itinerant travelers who more typically book on the Internet or through corporate travel bureaus and therefore are unaware of any of this until they approach the place in their rental car at 10 p.m. are either soothed or outraged.

    The hotelier in this case, whether he did so after careful thought or mere impulse, learned that his local customer base doesn’t share his political views and is not shy about making that fact clear. Once again, everyone is within their rights.

    Maybe the hotelier decided that whatever publicity he might get, and resulting business from like-minded local customers, outweighed any potential negative reaction. Or to put it differently, maybe the whole thing was the product of some weighing and balancing of options, in which the hotelier decided that appealing to McCain partisans would outweigh the negative reaction from Obama partisans.

    To me, having been around the block, I go back to the idea that, in my heart of hearts, I consider a hotel to be a hospitality operation that welcomes everyone. Even if a hotelier had a political sign that I agreed with, a voice in the back of my head would be murmuring that this is an operation willing to make some people feel less welcome than others, and that therefore the appropriate relationship between vendor and customer had been disrupted.

    Or, to put it more directly, I really don’t want my hotel to endorse a political candidate. Not even my own candidate. I’m there for a good night’s sleep, a clean room, cable TV, and plumbing that works, and maybe a restaurant and room service. I’m not sure I want them to be electioneering, even if I agree with their point of view.

    • Prink

      Imagine that I had pulled into that hotel, dog tired and within a reservation, at 11 p.m., and at the same time a different customer had done the same thing. And let’s imagine that both of us had approached the desk, having seen those campaign signs out front on the way in, and that the other guy was strongly pro-Obama and I was strongly pro-McCain.

      Let me further imagine that the other guy was really put out by all of this, because his views were passionate. And let’s further imagine that he was on business, and in practical terms, really had little choice in the matter. Not only was he on a tight budget personally, but he had an 8 a.m. meeting the next day and he didn’t know the town.

      Too idiosyncratic, you say? Au contraire, I reply. I am a road warrior, and what I’ve just constructed is the typical situation for a business traveler these days.

      Now, is it right for my counterpart to lose 45 minutes of sleep that he needs? I don’t think so. In fact, I could imagine myself joining forces with that man and confronting the manager about the basic nature of the hospitality business and the need, first and foremost, to make travelers comfortable.

      Free speech? Absolutely. The hotelier can put just about any sign he chooses our there. But that doesn’t mean that he ought to do it, nor does it mean that an objection is a sign of “intolerance.” The hotelier needs to understand that a merchant’s tact and discretion, even in a relatively impersonal setting, is still part of hospitality.

  • izoneguy

    …for now. Let’s see what they think 6 months from now. One of my bama customers was complaining that I was not getting his work done fast enough. I explained that I had some rush jobs and some new clients and that I would get his job done as promised. I did and explained to him that I was doing all I could to gain new clients and bill as much as I could because of the wacky economy. He of course said how much better it was going to be when Obama becomes president…..
    I really had to hold in my laugh that almost burst out.
    I have a bad feeling that I will finally have plenty of free time
    for golf and to clean up my office.

  • CorpseRT

    What is with the government workers comment at the end? I know that the prevailing belief here is that a smaller government is preferable, but I don’t see how that should translate into contempt for government workers.

    Both my parents worked for the government at one point in time, and are incredibly hard workers. Of course, there are always lazy louts, but you’ll find that anywhere. I find your comment at the end unnecessary and frankly, offensive.

    • Moe_Lane

      Umm. No. If a political sign makes you (generic) lose 45 minutes of sleep, consult a mental health professional.

      • Moe_Lane

        Not that I’m a paid employee of them, worse luck – still, even if the Fairness Doctrine got re-established I think that we’d probably be OK.

        Sites like Hot Air, dKos, LGF, and MyDD, though? Completely hosed. Which would suit a hypothetical Obama administration just fine, actually.

        • John_Wayne

          Wanna talk about the war, lets talk about the war…I’m sure others will engage you too. I’ve had my 3 oldest sons over there multiple times…the youngest of the 3 is over there right now…What do you want to talk about in regards to the war? You hate it? They do to. They are, however, doing their duty. I don’t really know how the war has effected your life. It has ours. I don’t, as a father of 3 who have and are still serving, to see this thing end like Viet Nam. War is deadly serious and you don’t just quit because a bunch of no-nothings don’t like it. Losing wars makes future wars much more probable. That is the main point. You win the damn thing, and show your enemies you won’t cut and run. Makes it a lot less likely that they will ever attack you. I guess logic gets lost somewhere in the world of emotion.

          • John_Wayne

            You just may thank your lucky stars that there are still people in this country ready to give their lives to save yours.

          • John_Wayne

            You just may thank your lucky stars that there are still people in this country ready to give their lives to save yours.

          • Moe_Lane

            …can be a little monotonous; and I presume that the “far-right conservatives” don’t like to talk about it because too many of them were embarrassingly close to being on the anti-victory side of it.

          • John_Wayne

            I’ll embed it for you:

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          • John_Wayne

            They can’t stand the thought that we might actually vanquish a foe.

          • Moe_Lane

            For all I know, he wants to know why we’re not trumpeting the fact that we won. :)

          • John_Wayne

            Looks like I was wrong about the surfer. I guess he isn’t an anti-war dude. I lived in the Seattle, WA area and figured that pnw surfer had to be a liberal. I didn’t know many conservatives up there. Seattle is pretty far left. Sorry if I misunderstood you dude.

          • Rod_Patrick

            is a McCain supporter and he wants to spread the gospel that “through McCain, we won the war”.

          • Sisko9

            SURBURBAN ?INVASION?? It?s been discussed (unsubstantiated) that Sen. Obama plans to use part of the 700 billion dollar bailout to convert homes recently acquired by the government to Section 8 low-income houses for inner-city families. Many of such homes, due to failed mortgages, are located in suburban middle-class neighborhoods. Imagine the stereotypes suburbanites would harbor towards their new low-income neighbors: ?loud rap music, drugs, gangs? an invasion,? someone lamented. Imagine the fear and dread as well that suburban schools would deteriorate and property values plummet. Yet IF Sen. Obama plans to use the bailout money to establish Section 8 low-income housing in suburban enclaves, then doesn?t that provide greater social equity and help poor inner-city families experience the benefits of suburban neighborhoods and better schools? Or is it true what they say? social engineering is fine but NOT IN MY BACKYARD!

          • JLenardDetroit

            new RNC ad…

            Obama/Ayers – Guilt by PARTICIPATION

            not worth a whole new thread

  • Moriah

    … if a person wishes to not purchase from/do business with a company whose policies they disagree with, that is their right.

    Boycott the Dixie Chicks? Sure, go for it.

    Throw things at the Dixie Chicks? No.

    Boycott a hotel/business? Sure, go for it.

    Call the business and harass them? No. (A business, one I believe was in the Carolinas, had a sign that was a bit more eyecatching than the one described in this article, it got on the ‘Net and he started getting calls from all over.)

    Boycott Disneyland? Sure.

    Blow up Disneyland? No.

    Avoid a web site you disagree with to keep them from getting web ad revenue? Sure.

    DDOS attacks against that site? No.

    I support the right to protest, be it by signs and picket lines or by simply choosing to take your business elsewhere — but breaking windows like what happened in St. Paul during the RNC, or harassing a business because they utilized their right to free speech by putting up a sign has nothing to do with protest.

    It makes perfect sense to me…. :)

    • Lammo

      injecting race – - “shadow” indeed. :-)

      PS – - no need for flames – - I am seriously KIDDING!

      • paint_it_red

        Nobody is saying liberals don’t have a right to engage in a stupid boycott of a business just because they disagree with the business owner’s political beliefs. But it is both stupid and intolerant. The original point stands.