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	<title>Comments on: Obama Kicks Off Presidency With Taxpayer-Funded Abortions</title>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/01/20/obama-kicks-off-presidency-with-taxpayer-funded-abortions/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pretty much across the board.  If you don't realize that, you've obviously never had any direct contact with it.

The point of "punishment" is to change behavior and, in part, stop similar crimes from happening again.  In this instance, removing the abortion providers serves the same purpose as putting drug dealers and trafficers away for long times as opposed to drug users.  

I would have no particular qualms against charging women with something, perhaps a low level felony for a first time conviction and a significantly higher level for a second time around, or maybe a very long period of probation for first offenders that would convert to prison time for a second offense.

My bottom line is to have something that denies access to abortion across the board except in instances where the actual life of the mother is in danger.  I'd be willing to add an exception for rape or incest as long as the rape is reported at the time (not two months later) or someone is actually charged with incest.  Charging providers takes care of that.  I'd also extend the murder charge to everyone in the "provider loop" from the "doctor" to the nurses to the people who answer the phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty much across the board.  If you don&#8217;t realize that, you&#8217;ve obviously never had any direct contact with it.</p>
<p>The point of &#8220;punishment&#8221; is to change behavior and, in part, stop similar crimes from happening again.  In this instance, removing the abortion providers serves the same purpose as putting drug dealers and trafficers away for long times as opposed to drug users.  </p>
<p>I would have no particular qualms against charging women with something, perhaps a low level felony for a first time conviction and a significantly higher level for a second time around, or maybe a very long period of probation for first offenders that would convert to prison time for a second offense.</p>
<p>My bottom line is to have something that denies access to abortion across the board except in instances where the actual life of the mother is in danger.  I&#8217;d be willing to add an exception for rape or incest as long as the rape is reported at the time (not two months later) or someone is actually charged with incest.  Charging providers takes care of that.  I&#8217;d also extend the murder charge to everyone in the &#8220;provider loop&#8221; from the &#8220;doctor&#8221; to the nurses to the people who answer the phones.</p>
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		<title>By: maddog</title>
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		<dc:creator>maddog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women are also victims of abortion therefore they would not be penalized any further. The true criminal is the abortionist who performs the procedure (at a profit I might add)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are also victims of abortion therefore they would not be penalized any further. The true criminal is the abortionist who performs the procedure (at a profit I might add)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hibbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hibbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you think that all murderers get a death penalty, then you are grossly mistaken.  Only the most horrendous crimes will be eligible for the death penalty in most states with very few of the perpetrators of even them receiving the sentance.  Then there are the years of endless appeals and few of the people who originally receive the sentance have it carried out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you think that all murderers get a death penalty, then you are grossly mistaken.  Only the most horrendous crimes will be eligible for the death penalty in most states with very few of the perpetrators of even them receiving the sentance.  Then there are the years of endless appeals and few of the people who originally receive the sentance have it carried out.</p>
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		<title>By: ArisKatsaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArisKatsaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If abortion is murder, then I don't see why the person who asks them/pays them to commit murder wouldn't be similarly punished, or indeed more so. This just seems very inconsistent to me. 

But I don't ask you to see (nor did I mean to imply) a parallel between the execution of a criminal and abortion. These are two different issues, and a person can be perfectly consistent with any of the possible four variations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If abortion is murder, then I don&#8217;t see why the person who asks them/pays them to commit murder wouldn&#8217;t be similarly punished, or indeed more so. This just seems very inconsistent to me. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t ask you to see (nor did I mean to imply) a parallel between the execution of a criminal and abortion. These are two different issues, and a person can be perfectly consistent with any of the possible four variations.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abortion providers.  Them I would charge with first degree murder and would settle for either life without parole or capital punishment.  And no, I see no parallel between executing a first degree murderer and aborting an unborn child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abortion providers.  Them I would charge with first degree murder and would settle for either life without parole or capital punishment.  And no, I see no parallel between executing a first degree murderer and aborting an unborn child.</p>
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		<title>By: atemely</title>
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		<dc:creator>atemely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This march has been going on every year since 1974. Please come, blog and spread the picture because if past year's march is an indication, there will be no media coverage except EWTN. 
God have mercy on us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This march has been going on every year since 1974. Please come, blog and spread the picture because if past year&#8217;s march is an indication, there will be no media coverage except EWTN.<br />
God have mercy on us.</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and forwarded the link to a ton of my friends.  That was very easy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and forwarded the link to a ton of my friends.  That was very easy!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hibbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hibbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of the punishment phase of the law would be directed at those who perform abortions rather than the mothers, but the punishment isn't the main point.  The simple act of making the operation illegal will stop ethical medical practitioners from performing the procedure.  And that is the goal.

That's the limit of the "conservatives in the mist" game that I'm willing to play....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of the punishment phase of the law would be directed at those who perform abortions rather than the mothers, but the punishment isn&#8217;t the main point.  The simple act of making the operation illegal will stop ethical medical practitioners from performing the procedure.  And that is the goal.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the limit of the &#8220;conservatives in the mist&#8221; game that I&#8217;m willing to play&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ArisKatsaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArisKatsaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not an American, but I'm curious: you pro-life people in the United States, who believe that abortion is murder, do you want women who have abortions to be tried as murderers?

Possibly convicting them to the death penalty even, same as other murderers?

Or do you merely want to fine the women in question? (in which case rich women will simply pay the fine, and it wouldn't deter them)

This has always been vague to me, but since anti-abortionism is such a strongly felt attitude among Republicans I'd like it clarified, one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an American, but I&#8217;m curious: you pro-life people in the United States, who believe that abortion is murder, do you want women who have abortions to be tried as murderers?</p>
<p>Possibly convicting them to the death penalty even, same as other murderers?</p>
<p>Or do you merely want to fine the women in question? (in which case rich women will simply pay the fine, and it wouldn&#8217;t deter them)</p>
<p>This has always been vague to me, but since anti-abortionism is such a strongly felt attitude among Republicans I&#8217;d like it clarified, one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammer2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hammer2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(sick loony lefty idea i know but my point is)

Let's put a watch the 'uptick' in such terminations of innocent lives as compared to lives lost in those 'horrible' wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, henceforth. 

I'm guessing that as the war fronts continue to improve, due to the continued courageous nature of our Armed Forces, deaths will continue to fall.

By the stroke of his almighty pen, President Obama will send thousands of others to their deaths.

As memory serves, if there was one place the Reagan administration, the Vatican City and Arab Middle East countries converged at the U.N., it was to push back against old Europe and communist countries that were hell bent on bringing about what Planned Parenthood does so horrifically well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sick loony lefty idea i know but my point is)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put a watch the &#8216;uptick&#8217; in such terminations of innocent lives as compared to lives lost in those &#8216;horrible&#8217; wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, henceforth. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that as the war fronts continue to improve, due to the continued courageous nature of our Armed Forces, deaths will continue to fall.</p>
<p>By the stroke of his almighty pen, President Obama will send thousands of others to their deaths.</p>
<p>As memory serves, if there was one place the Reagan administration, the Vatican City and Arab Middle East countries converged at the U.N., it was to push back against old Europe and communist countries that were hell bent on bringing about what Planned Parenthood does so horrifically well.</p>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
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		<dc:creator>icbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are on our side on FOCA, and are there others who are wavering whom we should contact in order to encourage them to oppose FOCA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are on our side on FOCA, and are there others who are wavering whom we should contact in order to encourage them to oppose FOCA?</p>
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		<title>By: blogger970</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogger970</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, conservative voters must continue to work to protect the unborn.  We cannot falter on this issue.  We must protect the innocent!

As for Obama, we know he has a crazy record on abortion.  However, I don't see congress letting him  get away with his far-left, Pro-Choice agenda.  I have spoken with democratic congressmen and senators who told me they will do everything they can to block FOCA from passing.

Through all this, values voters must be diligent in demanding that the Pro-Life movement is respected and taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, conservative voters must continue to work to protect the unborn.  We cannot falter on this issue.  We must protect the innocent!</p>
<p>As for Obama, we know he has a crazy record on abortion.  However, I don&#8217;t see congress letting him  get away with his far-left, Pro-Choice agenda.  I have spoken with democratic congressmen and senators who told me they will do everything they can to block FOCA from passing.</p>
<p>Through all this, values voters must be diligent in demanding that the Pro-Life movement is respected and taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
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		<dc:creator>icbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven't read Father Neuhaus's speech to the 2008 National Right to Life Convention, I recommend it.  It will give you strength in this bleak time (may it pass quickly).

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1117</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t read Father Neuhaus&#8217;s speech to the 2008 National Right to Life Convention, I recommend it.  It will give you strength in this bleak time (may it pass quickly).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1117">http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1117</a></p>
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		<title>By: BlueLandRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueLandRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; For years the government has been cutting what little funding was available for “abstinence” ed  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

from the Boston Globe 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Over the last eight years, a cottage industry of "abstinence-only until marriage" purveyors became a McMansion industry. Funding increased from $73 million a year in 2001 to $204 million in 2008. That's a total of $1.5 billion in federal money for an ideology in search of a methodology. And half the states refused funds to pay for sex mis-education.

So yeah, it's a bias article, it's what google coughed up. But it does give hard numbers. 

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/01/03/the_truth_about_teens_and_sex/

We can argue about how well the money has been spent... or wasted in this endeavor.  Personally, I think it's been a big waste.  Some kids are going to have sex - and those that do should know how to minimize the risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> For years the government has been cutting what little funding was available for “abstinence” ed  </p></blockquote>
<p>from the Boston Globe </p>
<blockquote><p>Over the last eight years, a cottage industry of &#8220;abstinence-only until marriage&#8221; purveyors became a McMansion industry. Funding increased from $73 million a year in 2001 to $204 million in 2008. That&#8217;s a total of $1.5 billion in federal money for an ideology in search of a methodology. And half the states refused funds to pay for sex mis-education.</p>
<p>So yeah, it&#8217;s a bias article, it&#8217;s what google coughed up. But it does give hard numbers. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/01/03/the_truth_about_teens_and_sex/">http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/01/03/the_truth_about_teens_and_sex/</a></p>
<p>We can argue about how well the money has been spent&#8230; or wasted in this endeavor.  Personally, I think it&#8217;s been a big waste.  Some kids are going to have sex - and those that do should know how to minimize the risks.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
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		<dc:creator>icbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which Obama opposed three or four times (depending on how you count it) in his state.  That was the worst of all.  Allowing doctors to throw out survivors of abortions like dirty laundry is barbaric, all the more so because they are doctors, and Obama's defense of their practice was possibly the most vile thing he ever did (and that's saying a lot).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which Obama opposed three or four times (depending on how you count it) in his state.  That was the worst of all.  Allowing doctors to throw out survivors of abortions like dirty laundry is barbaric, all the more so because they are doctors, and Obama&#8217;s defense of their practice was possibly the most vile thing he ever did (and that&#8217;s saying a lot).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polling has consistently shown there are more pro-life than pro-abortion single issue voters.  I know that this is just an anecdote but I know several people who only vote Republican when they run pro-life candidates.  I know that I don't vote for candidates who aren't prolife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polling has consistently shown there are more pro-life than pro-abortion single issue voters.  I know that this is just an anecdote but I know several people who only vote Republican when they run pro-life candidates.  I know that I don&#8217;t vote for candidates who aren&#8217;t prolife.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe, as your caddie-desingate for this post, I'd recommend either a 4-iron, or a 5-iron, depending on the wind from the green.

Then again, if it's blowing that hard, you may want to consider a 5-wood.

;)

Cheers !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe, as your caddie-desingate for this post, I&#8217;d recommend either a 4-iron, or a 5-iron, depending on the wind from the green.</p>
<p>Then again, if it&#8217;s blowing that hard, you may want to consider a 5-wood.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers !</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently not, based on your brain-dead comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please try again.</description>
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