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Democrats Debate How to Raise $600 Billion for Health Care

A VAT, Health Care Taxes, Income Taxes, Soda Taxes... ALL Might be Needed to Pay for Obamacare

As the old saying goes, you can pick your poison. But now matter how you slice it, taking over health care and creating a government-run plan is going to be very expensive. Charlie Rangel and the Democrats might start by taxing Medicare for $344 billion in new taxes, then adding a new tax on soda for $112 billion, a new alcohol tax for $61 billion, and a new tax on employer-provided health care for $200 billion – but that still leaves them more than $3 trillion short.

Nevertheless, they are gamely going at it – studying all the possible ways they can think of to gouge you for the privilege of ruining your health care:

Every one of House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel’s proposed options is controversial, and runs the risk of angering interest groups ranging from the small business lobby to the moribund newspaper industry. Rangel is considering a new $37.5 billion tax raised by denying deductions taken by pharmaceutical companies for prescription drug advertising expenses, for example…

Taxing employer-provided health coverage in excess of federal employee benefits is an option described, although clearly not the preferred one in the House. Unions oppose that plan, which has more momentum in the Senate…

The Ways and Means paper assumes the entire $600 billion in new taxes would begin to take effect on Jan. 1, 2013. A 2 percent surtax on individuals earning more than $200,000 and households with $250,000 or more in adjusted gross income would raise $256 billion.

That would be in keeping with President Obama’s pledge not to raise taxes on all but the wealthiest households, and the 2013 effective date assumes the nation would be out of recession. But many small-business owners are already chafing at seeing the top tax rates hiked to 36 percent and 39.6 percent in 2011 under Obama’s budget plan. [How many small businesses would survive when their marginal rate goes from 36% to nearly 42%? - bf]

Rangel’s paper couples the 2 percent surtax with a 0.375 percent increase in the Medicare tax on both employers and employees, estimated to raise $344 billion — also likely to cause problems with the small business lobby and perhaps liberal interest groups that argue it is a regressive tax. Currently, employers and employees each pay a 1.45 percent tax to fund Medicare; the 1993 budget bill repealed the cap on income subject to the Medicare tax.

The options paper appears to recognize that raising the Medicare tax might be politically untenable. If that is the case, as a fallback the Ways and Means document suggests a number of revenue-replacing options, including limiting the tax exclusion and a $200 billion proposal to add a new 3 percent payroll tax on employers’ healthcare spending. The paper argues that employers would essentially come out even, because they would be saving money on employees’ health care under the overhaul bill…

Two other options — a value-added tax on goods and services, and a 0.65 percent increase in the Medicare tax — each could potentially raise the entire $600 billion without having to tinker with other areas of the tax code…

Rep. Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa., plugged her own plan at Tuesday’s meeting: a 10-cent tax on each 12-ounce container of a sugar-sweetened beverage like nondiet soda. That would raise $112 billion, the options paper said. “I was told by my dad not to drink sugary sodas my whole life, and I turned out all right,” Schwartz said. “This [tax] would make it a real treat.”

For Democrats, this is the fun part of the job – deciding whom to punish with higher taxes. No one shows that better than Rep. Schwartz, who wants us all to enjoy the fun that comes with high soda prices. And while she’s only talking about soda (for now), just remember that a VAT tax, higher costs for health care, and higher energy costs (thanks to cap-and-tax), will raise the price for all commodities. So while the only product she’s directly increasing the cost of is soda, her votes will yield higher prices for everything you buy.

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  • bobojake

    then they better figure out how to raise the other trillion cause we are not buying into obama-reid-peloski steal the taxpayers great grand children program.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    since most of that is scheduled to be spent in 2011-2012. That would free up about $800bil right there.

    Yeah. Watch THAT happen.

  • izoneguy

    Fire Obama

    Repeal the Stimulus

    Defund the UN

    Cut Capital Gains taxes

    Kill Cap & Trade

    Cut back on social programs

    Cut the corporate tax rate to 20%

    Reform Social Security

    Reform MediCare

    Kill all Earmarks in any bills

    Kill ACORN

    Get rid of the Federal Reserve

    Kill Sarbanes-Oxley Compliance

    Kill the death tax

    Scale back the EPA

    Sell General Motors

    Sell Chrysler

    Let bad banks go bankrupt

    No mortgage assistant programs

    AND this is what I would do if I were President

    • itrytobenice
  • bk

    From the first debate: “Here’s what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime’s worth of tax increase.”

    From the second debate: “If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down.”

    From the third debate: “What I’ve said is I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent. If you make more — if you make less than a quarter million dollars a year, then you will not see your income tax go up, your capital gains tax go up, your payroll tax. Not one dime.”

    • bk

       

    • bk

      From the second debate: “So here’s what I would do. If you’ve got health care already, and probably the majority of you do, then you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. You can keep your choice of doctor. We’re going to work with your employer to lower the cost of your premiums by up to $2,500 a year.”

      From the third debate: “So here’s what my plan does. If you have health insurance, then you don’t have to do anything. If you’ve got health insurance through your employer, you can keep your health insurance, keep your choice of doctor, keep your plan.

      The only thing we’re going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family’s premium by about $2,500 per year.”

    • bk

      http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/

      “No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama’s plan will see one single penny of their tax raised whether it’s their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax. And 95 percent of the people in the United States of America making less than $150,000 will get a tax break.”

      “…Number two fact, 95 percent of the small businesses in America, their owners make less than $250,000 a year. They would not get one single solitary penny increase in taxes, those small businesses.”

  • 6eorge Jetson

    nt

    • Brian Faughnan

      NT

    • Caleb

      nt

    • ATLconservative

      n/t

  • DerKrieger

    That’s what we have. I’m ready to split this country down the middle and let the Left create it’s Dystopia and collapse under its own weight.

    I will not be made into a slave.

    • IJB

      The Left doesn’t get one square inch of this country, AFAIAC!

      We must drive them into the sea before that happens!

  • IJB

    Just extend the 15% tax rate down to, what?, $25,000? $20,000, in annual income! Make it $15,000!!

    Heck, they could extend the 27% tax rate down to that instead!!

    What? Never happen?! I wonder why??!!….

  • Raven

    Just a few months ago when they were accusing McCain of proposing one even though he wasn’t…

  • olsmithie

    if you don’t count the extra 600 Billion or maybe a 1 Trillion 600 Billion.

    I have to keep reminding myself that as soon as Obama told the first lie, he became a liar,
    He broke the needle on my “Lie-O-Meter” long before he was elected.

    We must not lose sight of the fact that this is not about fixing health care, it is about nationalizing 1/5 th of the American economy. (on top of what he has already hijacked.)

    Regards