According to Gallup, despite the election of Barack Obama and the Democratic strength in Congress (or because of it), Americans say they are becoming more conservative. For those who may not have realized it, this again emphasizes the importance to Republicans of restoring their credibility as the party of conservatism. While the mainstream media continues to ask how Republicans will moderate their views to compete more effectively, the reality is that they need to demonstrate that they believe what they say about limited government, personal responsibility, and a strong national defense.
Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed. While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven’t changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left…
Indeed, in the latest survey, 38% of Americans describe their political views as conservative, and among this group 58% say their views have grown more conservative in recent years. Although a large segment of liberals (42%) say they have become more liberal, far fewer Americans in the poll (18%) describe themselves as liberal — thus providing little counterweight to the rightward movement of conservatives. At the same time, political moderates are twice as likely to say they have grown more conservative as opposed to more liberal (33% vs. 18%), thus further tipping the scales in favor of conservatism.
First and most importantly, this ought to be a signal to all conservatives that there is likely to be a great opportunity for conservative candidates in 2009 and 2010. If you don’t like the direction this country is headed right now, you need to be active and engaged at the grassroots level. If you can show up for meetings, lick envelopes, walk a district, or give a few dollars to a candidate of your choice, you should be doing it. The American electorate wants change, even if they still profess their affinity for Barack Obama.
Second, you ought to take a look at some of the issue-level responses that Gallup came up with. Americans have become more conservative on gun control, but not on immigration. Gallup also doesn’t really understand conservatism, and that comes through in some of their labeling. Do conservatives favor ‘maintaining the current system’ on health care? Gallup thinks so. Gallup’s broad conclusion - which I think is largely correct - is that Americans have not really moved much to the right, at least when you consider their views on an issue-by-issue basis.
So what’s the broad message of this poll? I think it’s a growing distrust of what they view as the liberal agenda of this Congress and this president. They may not have grown more opposed to gay marriage; they may recognize that their taxes have not gone up significantly (yet), but they can see that the current agenda is moving the country too far to the left. They know that they will have to pay for porkulus, and health care reform, and cap-and-tax. And they know they won’t be happy with the result. That’s why they consider themselves to be more conservative, even as their issue-by-issue views have moved only marginally.
Yet the party is busy recruiting, supporting and openly campaigning for Liberal Republicans...Go figure...nt
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Can you name a few of those?
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 12:38PM EDT (link)Ace
Can you name a few of these openly liberal Republicans that the party is supporting and who you consider is the better conservative candidate in the same distric?
If you don’t mind, please leave out the Florida Senatorial race, that one has been covered in great detail here on RS.
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How about Tom Ridge, for one, over Pat Toomey
The_Rebel Monday, July 6th at 1:12PM EDT (link)He claims he is not running, but who believes that? He has recently stated that Cheney is wrong about Obama, and that the GOP is “too doggone shrill”. He is your classic beltway liberal that the establishment would support over any conservative candidate. I am ashamed he is a member of my party.
He's not running for office
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 1:20PM EDT (link)The_Rebel
Ridge is not running…he’s not running.
Ace made an assertion “supporting and openly campaigning for Liberal Republicans”. He may be right, I don’t doubt that, but what are the facts?
The job of the national R party is to get R’s elected, and I would hope they are deciding to work with the most electable candidates. There is plenty of room to disagree with what that term “electable” means, lots of electrons are spilled here at RS every day in that pursuit, but at the end of the day winning office for R’s is the objective of the national party apparatus.
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If you believe Ridge is not running,
The_Rebel Monday, July 6th at 1:27PM EDT (link)fine. But I don’t believe it.
The RNC ran "the most electable" candidate in the top slot last election
The_Gadfly Monday, July 6th at 1:33PM EDT (link)and we got our guts handed to us on cheap paper plate.
That dog don’t hunt no more.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Oh, and whether or not Ridge is running,
The_Gadfly Monday, July 6th at 1:35PM EDT (link)the RNC floated his name in hopes of getting him to oppose Toomey after Toomey handed Snarlen Arlen the Dem Defector his walking papers.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
No, they did not.
bs Monday, July 6th at 5:24PM EDT (link)The American people *voted* for John McCain. He did not come out of someone’s smoke-filled room. He ran and he won.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
McCain won by default and as a result of the party pushing blue state primaries to the front of the line
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 11:00AM EDT (link)all of which have open primaries where Democrats can cross over and help our most liberal candidates win the nomination. McCain had the entire Republican Establishment on board with him from the start. He was their favorite since 2000 and they rigged the game for him…it’s plain for all to see
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The Open primaries are the big problem
kyle8 Tuesday, July 7th at 11:17AM EDT (link)What makes anybody think the Democrats will not just screw us again in the next election with their crossover vote? Why hasn’t Steele done something about this?
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because it is the tool the establishment uses to advance the moderate candidate...nt
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Thanks Ace
The_Gadfly Wednesday, July 8th at 12:20PM EDT (link)Your thread pretty much sums it up.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Charlie Crist over Marco Rubio in FL (nt)
The_Gadfly Monday, July 6th at 1:33PM EDT (link)We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Polling
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 1:50PM EDT (link)Tampa Bay Online
“A June 24-26 Mason-Dixon poll for Ron Sachs Communications (MoE +/- 6 in primary questions, 4 in general election) shows Charlie Crist leading Marco Rubio in the Republican U.S. Senate primary 51 percent to 23 percent. Just 52 percent of likely primary voters had heard of Rubio, while Crist was almost universally recognized.
Among Republican voters who recognize both candidates, 33 percent back Crist and 31 percent back Rubio.”
I’ll probably agree with you though on one thing, I’m all for the national R machinery to stay out of primaries. Let the local folks sort it out without interference.
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The party jumped on the Crist Bandwagon before anyone had a chance...
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 2:20PM EDT (link)and Rubio is gaining ground in large part due to the heavy handedness of the NRSC in endorsing and putting the party apparatus at Crists disposal!
We’ve had some pretty long flame wars over the NRSC Crist endorsement and I don’t think you were here for it…but that’s been hashed over pretty well since then.
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Look at the trend
E Pluribus Unum Monday, July 6th at 4:12PM EDT (link)First, it’s till what, 20 months out? Rubio suffers primarily from name recognition, and in 2 months, since getting into the race, has gone from -35% to -28%. With 20 months to go. Dismiss that if you want, but there it is.
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Specter before he went home...Crist, Kirk, Snowe, Collins, McHugh, and the rest of the Cap & trade 8
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 2:16PM EDT (link)any more questions?
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The chances of?
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 2:56PM EDT (link)So Ace,
What do you think are the chances of Governor Palin moving to Maine and mounting a primary challenge to Olivia Snow? …Oh NO Mr. Bill! .
Maybe Rick Santorum could move to Maine instead and run for office. Surely the good people of Maine are looking for authentic conservative politicians, No? Or could it be that these Liberal Republicans you name represent the views of the people of part of the country they represent?
What a concept for a national party and not a regional one, wait I think they call that a Big Tent party.
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BLAH BLAH BLAHHH
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 3:04PM EDT (link):>)
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I need a cite
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 3:05PM EDT (link)When did the RNC back any of those people by name in a primary?
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I can give you 3 right off the top of my head..and probably could come up with a dozen more but 3 aught to proove my point
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 3:54PM EDT (link)Specter over Toomey in 2004 and Crist over Rubio now. They also went all out to save Linc Chaffee’s rear end in 2004. Now they’re pushing Kirk and discouraging challenges to him.
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Supported Rick Santorum too
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 4:00PM EDT (link)Ace
They also supported Rick Santorum, and he lost anyway. How’s that prove or disprove your grand assertion?
You left out RNC support to ‘Snarlin Arlen, including support by President Bush. ‘Snarlin is one guy that I would love to see go down…big time. Linc had no primary challenge as I recall nd most of the RNC support to him was as much holding on to a R seat in the Senate as anything else to hold the line for President Bush’s war efforts in SE Asia.
Is there at least agreement that it would be better for the RNC to stay out of primaries, on any side?
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Linc DID have a primary challenger
E Pluribus Unum Monday, July 6th at 4:20PM EDT (link)His name was Laffey, then-mayor of Cranston, 3rd-largest city in RI. He ran as the conservative alternative to Chafee, lost the primary 54-46 (one can pretty much conclude that the NRCC endorsement and financial backing pretty much *caused* that win).
Santorum is irrelevant to this discussion. Snarlin’ Arlen demonstrates, rather than disproves, Ace’s point.
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touche' nt
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I disagree on Santorum and Alren
The_Gadfly Wednesday, July 8th at 11:57AM EDT (link)But then I’m one of the few who think that part of the reason Santorum lost was because when the party told him to back Specter against Toomey he didn’t tell them to take a hike.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
The discussion is the party backing RINOs in primaries and discouraging Conservative Challengers
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 4:37PM EDT (link)Again…I haven’t seen you around for a while and have missed some of the discussion around here…but that’s my beef
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Bush's war in SE Asia?
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 4:42PM EDT (link)you’ll have to help me on that one Steve…I wasn’t aware we were fighting in SE Asia!
And I did include Specter in my example and agree with you whole heartedly…and by the way…you did know Specter has changed parties…right?
Not only was he run out of the party by Toomey…but he’s facing a challenger from his new party despite promises from Harry Reid to the contrary
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You're right
SteveLA Monday, July 6th at 4:52PM EDT (link)SW Asia….SE Asia was another time and another place.
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I was wondering if you'd had a flash back...LOL nt
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So you don't have a single link or source? (nt)
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 4:04PM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Um...it's common knowledge Neil...
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 4:44PM EDT (link)do I need links to prove what is acknowledged history? nt
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You have a point VSV the RNC... I consider the RNC, NRCC and NRSC as one group for the most part
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 5:00PM EDT (link)though I know they aren’t supposed to coordinate…and technically they are different organizations…they’re run by the same players and have the same go along to get along philosophy…
and I’d also note that I didn’t distinguish between the RNC, or any other group in my original post…but used the generic “PARTY” as a catch all.
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Well it just makes you look ignorant
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 5:42PM EDT (link)What do AceInTx and a Daily Kos Troll have in common?
They both like to bash the Republican party with Known Facts™ they never manage to back up with actual facts.
The fact that you call disparate groups The Party only makes you look like an ignoramus. It doesn’t make what you say true.
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KnownFacts is all one word
David Hinz Monday, July 6th at 5:49PM EDT (link)everybody knows that — that’s why it is trademarked
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
I'm not ignorant and you are the one that tried to make a distinction where I intended none...
AceInTX Monday, July 6th at 6:33PM EDT (link)Is the NRSC a part of the Party or not?
or the NRCC?
Maybe they aren’t affiliated with the RNC per se…but they are a part of the Republican Party as a whole. As am I…I could have drawn a better distinction by saying the Party leadership but even that is open to interpretation since leadership could mean Micheal Steele and the leadership in the RNC, it could mean elected officials in the Republican Party…or “The Republican Leadership” could mean prominent officials both past and present who have a roll with the party as spokesmen, pundits, or whatever…
EPU hit it when he said you are picking around the issue and trying to distract from the main point which is….
The Republican Party and its leadership are trying to moderate in policy and message and working to support and elect liberal/moderate Republicans at a time when the rest of the country is showing more and more inclination towards conservative ideals and are running like scalded dogs from the horror that is a single party government led by Democrats.
It’s a losing strategy and has proven so for the last 30 years…and I’m sick of having my commitment to this party questioned because I refuse to shut up and ignore the destruction of it by people who think they know better than the rest of us because they were blessed with an Ivy League education and think they have a divine right to rule over those of us in the party who know what made this country great and want to hold on to those ideals, principles and policies that made us the last great hope of mankind on earth.
I’ve been accused of helping to elect Democrats when it could be argued it’s the moderate/liberal wing of the Republican Party that is electing them because they refuse to stand for anything and won’t allow the majority of this party to stand for anything. It can be argued that it is the so called Representatives we elect to communicate, uphold, and advance our values and principles who refuse to represent them who are electing Democrats in record numbers.
I’ve asked and have heard dozens of others here ask what’s the point of electing Republicans to the majority only to have them forward the Democrat agenda anywy?
I have yet to see an answer from anyone in the big tent crowd and only accusations that I/we want to help Democrats get elected and that we’re somehow not committed to the Party!
Can you answer that question?
You can call me ignorant and accuse me of being a Kossite all you want but it won’t change a single fact I’ve pointed out here…or minimize the consequences we’ve suffered for walking away from everything that makes us distinguishable and “better” than the Democrats!
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I can't find a clear thought in this comment
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 6:35PM EDT (link)I suspect it is, as usual, just groping in the dark looking for an excuse to play intra-Republican water polo.
Maybe when you start understanding what the RNC is, what the NRSC is, what the NRCC is, and how the Republican party is organized, your commeants will gain coherence and will have value.
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Again...my original comment didn't say a word about the RNC...you're the one that brought that in as a straw man
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 12:20AM EDT (link)so what’s your point Neil?
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By the way...if you read what I wrote I think it's pretty clear what I mean
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 12:54AM EDT (link)and there is plenty of clear thought to be gleaned from it if you’re interested in honest debate…which you clearly are not.
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Oh yeah, honesty
Neil Stevens Tuesday, July 7th at 1:05AM EDT (link)I guess in your mind, honest debate is where you get to define what words mean, and change them as they suit you. Anyone who tries to go with standard meanings is dishonest.
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I don't understand the game you're playing Neil...
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 10:55AM EDT (link)Well…I do…but I really don’t want to continue this. I said Party meaning the party apparatus as a whole…including those that are designed to help the Party…the NRSC, the NRCC, etc. You’re the one that’s redefining terms and narrowing Party to mean the RNC only…
What I find interesting in all this is that we had a di9scussion a couple of weeks ago and you know full well Leon restricted me from engagin in it or be banned permanently yet in almost every thread I’ve participate in since, you keep trying to drag me into the same discussion…I don’t know if it’s on purpose…or if you are trying to get me to pull the trigger on myself…whatever the reason…this ends here for me!
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No Neil, it isn't necessary to make that distinction
The_Gadfly Wednesday, July 8th at 12:18PM EDT (link)and it doesn’t mean a d*mn thing to the average voter. To him RNC, NRSC, NRCC, they ARE all the same thing: the legalistically separated but functionally single entity. (At some point in my life I was a member of the RNC and got the NRSC and NRCC mailers too. Not a bit of difference between them.) And they aren’t doing what the general voting public wants them to do: nominate conservative Republicans to win.
You may not like those facts, but facts they remain. I work the Help Desk. I don’t like the fact that everybody regards anyone from the Help Desk as everyone from the Help Desk (and yes I’ve had people give me the name of black technicians as the person who visited them when it was a white technician and vice versa), but there it is.
It’s not inta-party water polo, it is the core argument that nobody in lthe Republican leadership wants to deal with, including you it seems.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
You have stated more than once...
bs Monday, July 6th at 6:46PM EDT (link)that it might be better for the Dem to win an election against a Republican. The implication is that you’d like to see the GOP “taught a lesson”. Now if you’re enjoying our current situation with President Fluffy, then I suppose that’s a coherent philosophy.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
I've said I can understand that argument and how
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 12:50AM EDT (link)the Republican could do more harm to the party in office than the Dem…I haven’t run across an instance where that would be the case. and if I ever do…I’ll be sure and let you know.
As for the rest of this discussion, I’m being quoted as saying something that I didn’t say. I’ve also been down the road you and Neil seem to be taking me down. my first couple months here at Red State I had certain people leading me down threads of discussion that put me in a hole and I can tell when landmines are being laid in my path as a result. I’m not playing this game any more so you guys can just quit planting the bait.
I’ll close by saying this…I am a Republican…I put only my God, My Family and my Country represented by what it has traditionally stood for and the Conservative principles I hold as a result above the Party…but little else. I take a back seat to few here in my work for this party…I know there are those here who are higher up in the Hierarchy than I but I have a resume and have earned my bones on the ground.
Somehow…Someone around here has gotten the idea that they know what’s best for the Party and if any of us disagrees with them then we’re worthy of banishment to the nether regions. I have the same goals as they only different ideas about how we achieve those goals. Whether you want to believe it or not, I want what’s best for this party as much as anyone here. I don’t see what we gain from promoting people who betray the party and it’s principles while you and Neil seem to think that’s fine. I don’t agree but that’s where it stands.
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The NRCC has endorsed Crist
E Pluribus Unum Monday, July 6th at 4:28PM EDT (link)That’s why Cornyn can’t sit down at a restaurant anywhere in TX and have a decent, unobstructed meal. Do you need a cite on that? NRCC != RNC, if you care to draw that distinction. but I think it qualifies as “the party endorsing”.
They’ve also made noises about backing Kirk, whether or not they’ve formally endorsed him. The NRCC had already de facto endorsed Specter for 2010 over Toomey.
Pick at the edges all you want, but it is a fact that the party establishment continues to actively endorse squishes and either oppose or freeze out conservatives, all in the name of “electability”.
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What goes together and gets smoked in the BBQ??
izoneguy Monday, July 6th at 4:31PM EDT (link)A good ole helpin of Crist & Cornyn….
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Hardly an enthusiastic reception of Corny is it? nt
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Nope, Cornyn needs a mid-course correction
izoneguy Monday, July 6th at 4:55PM EDT (link)or he will be tossed out with the rest of the RINO’s…..
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You need to post this...I'd like to see it on the front page...nt
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Actually it's the NRSC EPU...but everything else is spot on...nt
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thanks Ace
E Pluribus Unum Monday, July 6th at 4:58PM EDT (link)didn’t catch that, and it’s a distinction worth making these days, since the NRCC has actually started coming around.
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agreed..nt
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Here go more Redstate members, even those that have been here for the required period to be valid
Scope Monday, July 6th at 8:36PM EDT (link)This is classic! Eric posts a diary asking for all the RS members to please bring their friends and family to join Redstate. I cannot agree more that obvious “trolls”should be banned. There have been some that were truly not trolls, and seemed to be on the right side of the aisle. They were driven off. Does Redstate want to increase their membership? Seems so with Erick’s post to bring your friends along. Why do some moderators feel they have to drive what may be some good people off? Is there an IQ required to post here? Is there an English Degree required to post here, with all spelling and puncation necessay? I thought that many wanted to “open the tent to all” yet, we trash anyone who just doesn’t seem to have it all together. Why? Are you asking that only those with high IQ’s, those that have spelling and punctuation abilities, and have more ability than posting their own thoughts to be allowed, if they post from the heart? The “Big Tent” has has shrunk to an umbrella.
Ohhh, I know this will get trashed, bashed, mashed, and then I will no longer be able to speak for us little ones. It’ sthe price one must pay at Redstate.
Oh, the drama!
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 8:40PM EDT (link)You make me laugh.
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No drama at all Neil
Scope Monday, July 6th at 9:49PM EDT (link)just facts. You are very quick to blam people with nothing more than a snarky comment. I would think that any moderator of any site would be neutral, and not inject his opinions, ideas, or even his political affilation. This site has many many varying opinions, and it seems that you have not only interjected your opinion, but, you have ortrazied people who are not of like mind. The site, in it’s post comments section, requires that anyone who posts a comment be respectful or be banned. You have allowed name calling, insitefulness, arguments, and downright nastiness from some. Why would anyone be encouraged to “inviteFriends and Family” to a site that only allows the very few to speak their mind, but, bans anyone else. Is what you are saying that only the elite are welcome?
I'm not sure what you're implying here
Neil Stevens Monday, July 6th at 10:37PM EDT (link)Are you suggesting insightfulness is bad?
Or that I’m ‘elite’?
We allow an awful lot here Scope. I think when we last checked, only around one in 20 accounts is banned.
Is there a particular ban you disagree with here? If so, let it rest here and instead hit the contact form to register your disagreement.
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Mr. Stevens...
DONTREADONME Monday, July 6th at 11:34PM EDT (link)now why did I use Mr. Stevens, well I am afraid an anvil might drop on my head after I make one small note, I think haste may have been used in the last couple days regarding the heated discussion about Sarah Palin and the resultant disabling of accounts.
I am not saying that those accounts were not justifiably disabled because of the heated discussion, but rather are those usernames which were deactivated allowed to explain themselves and ask to be reinstated by email? I think cooler heads should have prevailed, but then again I have been known to get very heated as well. That is all, I was going to look for an open thread but unfortunately I could not find one quickly.
Anyway, what do I know, I can only detect those trolls that really are here for other reasons than to contribute (i.e. short posting history, or a history of stupid left talking points).
I will wait for the New RS laser beams to shoot through the my monitor, I registerd MO. Now I can get back to work.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Potential trolls are typically given the one post warning.
George Claghorn Monday, July 6th at 11:42PM EDT (link)I.E., “What do you mean by this? Please explain in your one post.” And they typically respond with more trollish a**hattery.
But I’m not a moderator, and this is just what I’ve observed.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Gah. Typing fail.
George Claghorn Monday, July 6th at 11:42PM EDT (link)“Please explain in your one post” == “Please explain in your next post”
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Anyone who is banned...
bs Tuesday, July 7th at 12:21AM EDT (link)can appeal via contact@redstate.com. Happens frequently…
Decorum is fo’ suckas
In fact...
bs Monday, July 6th at 11:20PM EDT (link)many times my colleagues and I will say “you should ban [fill in blank]” and Neil & other moderators will respond “we can’t just ban them for being idiots/jerks/stupid”. Neil, Moe, Leon, streiff, etc. are far more permissive than a lot of the rest of us would be…
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Most times a simple 'My bad (nt)' works wonders..
$peciallist Tuesday, July 7th at 12:27AM EDT (link)np
Evidently not.
Tbone Monday, July 6th at 8:58PM EDT (link)“Is there an IQ required to post here?”
Becker, Neil and I woulda stood banned. LOL
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Scope...it's a minor distinction and I didn't correct EPU in a way to discredit him...
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 11:07AM EDT (link)I apparently missed out on the flame wars you are mentioning here, (Thank goodness because I’d be target #1), and don’t know the context but you misread me if you think I was slamming EPU.
House Conservatives Fund
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Heck no Ace
Scope Tuesday, July 7th at 11:32AM EDT (link)I never had that thought in my mind. In fact both you and EPU are some of my favorite diarists and commenters here. I am of like mind on most of what you both write. Seeing how the conversation was going above, I was in fear that one of you would be banned, and that would have been a very sad day on RS. Since the Palin announcement on Friday, the whole site seems to be on fire with those for and against. One of my biggest observations is that Palin still has the ability to get a rise out of everyone, both those that hate her and those that love her. She can still work a crowd.
LOL...Agreed...Just thought I'd clarify just in case..nt
AceInTX Tuesday, July 7th at 2:53PM EDT (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
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SarahPAC
I Wonder If The 'Issue' Numbers Are Lagging Indicators...
IJB Monday, July 6th at 3:53PM EDT (link)Brian, you make the point that the ‘issue’ numbers haven’t changed much (though I guess abortion & gun control numbers *have*), but the sort of ‘overarching’ conservative/moderate/liberal numbers have shifted.
Maybe this is an indication that the ‘top line’ numbers move first, and the ‘issue’ numbers (e.g. immigration, gay marriage) will shift in the conservative direction later on.
It’d be interesting to revisit these numbers over the next 2-3 years to see if there’s any evidence of that…
I have ranted many times on these intra party squabbles
kyle8 Monday, July 6th at 6:52PM EDT (link)So I am not going to join in this time. But as far as America becoming more conservative, I don’t think that is the case.
It is more like coming out of a colossal drunk with a big hangover. And that is only going to get worse as inflation heats up, and jobs continue to decline.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
I was waiting for someone to comment on point
avgamerican Tuesday, July 7th at 1:03AM EDT (link)You are right. I don’t care what the polls show. Americans are not growing more conservative. The demographics heavily favor what we have in office now. Many in this site may be in denial, but I think it is because we differ on what a true conservative is.