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	<title>Comments on: Why Won&#8217;t Democrats Show Us the Bill for Health Care?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6263</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or simply stop lumping Republican congressmen/women with those that want to pass a Socialist agenda. Their are at least some member that are committed to the defeat of this agenda, but they could use a little encouragement to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or simply stop lumping Republican congressmen/women with those that want to pass a Socialist agenda. Their are at least some member that are committed to the defeat of this agenda, but they could use a little encouragement to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have outrage to spare after going down your list of Ds... well, let us know: I'm sure that we can find you a few more that you missed the first time.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have outrage to spare after going down your list of Ds&#8230; well, let us know: I&#8217;m sure that we can find you a few more that you missed the first time.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Joe_Cor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6261</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Cor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They still are New Toning their way through the socialization of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They still are New Toning their way through the socialization of America.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6260</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over at NRO TV - Uncommon Knowledge.

Here's the first part:

http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=OTkzNzE1ZTk5YTIwNzg4MmU4NTJiOWY4MDMyNzhmMjU=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over at NRO TV - Uncommon Knowledge.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first part:</p>
<p><a href="http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=OTkzNzE1ZTk5YTIwNzg4MmU4NTJiOWY4MDMyNzhmMjU=">http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=OTkzNzE1ZTk5YTIwNzg4MmU4NTJiOWY4MDMyNzhmMjU=</a></p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6259</link>
		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don't we already know this here?   Now I am waiting to see how long it took her to figure out through an online search that "who" is right and not whom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t we already know this here?   Now I am waiting to see how long it took her to figure out through an online search that &#8220;who&#8221; is right and not whom.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6256</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cutie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cutie.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6257</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cutie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cutie.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6255</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a-t said &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; intelligent.  There is a &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; non-democratic [small d] vein in the progressive agenda.

There is little to differentiate a progressive from a Marxist from a Socialist from a Communist.

Their agendas intertwine and their tactics are nearly identical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a-t said <b>was</b> intelligent.  There is a <b>very</b> non-democratic [small d] vein in the progressive agenda.</p>
<p>There is little to differentiate a progressive from a Marxist from a Socialist from a Communist.</p>
<p>Their agendas intertwine and their tactics are nearly identical.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6254</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description></description>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6253</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you and aaron both - funny guys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you and aaron both - funny guys</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6252</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and look at my comments again to make sure that I haven't overly cruel.  These last three weeks have been very demoralizing for me, I guess my spirit is weak right now.  

Now I will go back and make sure that I have not been too mean.  I really do not want to turn into a curmudgeon, thanks for the notice, Nessa I will ease up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and look at my comments again to make sure that I haven&#8217;t overly cruel.  These last three weeks have been very demoralizing for me, I guess my spirit is weak right now.  </p>
<p>Now I will go back and make sure that I have not been too mean.  I really do not want to turn into a curmudgeon, thanks for the notice, Nessa I will ease up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: 10ksnooker</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6251</link>
		<dc:creator>10ksnooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free health care for all cost so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free health care for all cost so much.</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6250</link>
		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you've been meaner than a fireant the last couple days.  Not that it isn't entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ve been meaner than a fireant the last couple days.  Not that it isn&#8217;t entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6249</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No retailer will go to the trouble of pricing them differently.

Further, will they tax ethanol?  It's made from corn squeezin's.

For those of you who don't know, Medicare costs each recipient $96.40 per month this year.  Becasue it is available, many companies eliminate some medical insurance benefits for employees and retirees when they reach 65.  You'd better believe that if its equivalent becomes available for the general public that employer-paid medical insurance will soon be a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No retailer will go to the trouble of pricing them differently.</p>
<p>Further, will they tax ethanol?  It&#8217;s made from corn squeezin&#8217;s.</p>
<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t know, Medicare costs each recipient $96.40 per month this year.  Becasue it is available, many companies eliminate some medical insurance benefits for employees and retirees when they reach 65.  You&#8217;d better believe that if its equivalent becomes available for the general public that employer-paid medical insurance will soon be a thing of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for you to add something of value here?  

Doesn't it suck when people come in and address people out of the blue on a diary.  Here's your cookie, now I will wait for something that is intelligent or remotely intelligible.  Learn a lesson and pick your fights a little more wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting for you to add something of value here?  </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it suck when people come in and address people out of the blue on a diary.  Here&#8217;s your cookie, now I will wait for something that is intelligent or remotely intelligible.  Learn a lesson and pick your fights a little more wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6247</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's almost all about "medical insurance," and the two are not equivalent.  The new plans &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; change the number of people who are covered by some kind of medical insurance, but their health &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; will most surely be worse.  In fact, in the real world, &lt;b&gt;it can't help but make it worse.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost all about &#8220;medical insurance,&#8221; and the two are not equivalent.  The new plans <i>might</i> change the number of people who are covered by some kind of medical insurance, but their health <i>care</i> will most surely be worse.  In fact, in the real world, <b>it can&#8217;t help but make it worse.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6246</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She said, "You don't like our questions because you don't have any answers."  [inexact quote]

In this case, they have an answer but don't want us to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said, &#8220;You don&#8217;t like our questions because you don&#8217;t have any answers.&#8221;  [inexact quote]</p>
<p>In this case, they have an answer but don&#8217;t want us to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandriatulips</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6245</link>
		<dc:creator>alexandriatulips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don't believe in democratic processes -  they believe only in their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t believe in democratic processes -  they believe only in their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: paulincolo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009/07/07/why-wont-democrats-show-us-the-bill-for-health-care/#comment-6244</link>
		<dc:creator>paulincolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Congress created the Medicare program in 1965, the CBO projected cost in 1990 was $9 billion. The true cost in 1990 was $67 billion, 7.4 times higher.

In 1987 Congress added a generous special hospitals subsidy to Medicare. The estimated cost was $100 million a year by 1992. The actual cost in 1992 was $11 billion. In 1988 Congress expanded Medicare again to include a home care program. Lawmakers expected the new program to cost $4 billion in 1993. The true cost that year was $10 billion.

If they tell us it will be $1 trillion, it will end up $4T.  It doesn't matter how they score it, it will be severely underestimated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Congress created the Medicare program in 1965, the CBO projected cost in 1990 was $9 billion. The true cost in 1990 was $67 billion, 7.4 times higher.</p>
<p>In 1987 Congress added a generous special hospitals subsidy to Medicare. The estimated cost was $100 million a year by 1992. The actual cost in 1992 was $11 billion. In 1988 Congress expanded Medicare again to include a home care program. Lawmakers expected the new program to cost $4 billion in 1993. The true cost that year was $10 billion.</p>
<p>If they tell us it will be $1 trillion, it will end up $4T.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how they score it, it will be severely underestimated.</p>
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