Former Congressman JD Hayworth is reportedly considering a primary challenge to John McCain. In explaining his rationale recently, he made a serious allegation about McCain’s loyalty to party:
Hayworth charged that in 2005 Salter tried to “blackmail” him into stopping his public criticism of McCain’s comprehensive immigration-reform bill. Hayworth said his chief of staff got an e-mail from Salter indicating that McCain might retaliate by commenting in the media about Hayworth’s links to the then-unfolding Jack Abramoff lobbyist corruption scandal.
Hayworth further suggested that Salter was responsible for planting false information in the Washington Times that said Hayworth was the “target” of an Abramoff-related Justice Department investigation. The Abramoff scandal helped Democrat Harry Mitchell upset Hayworth in 2006.
“Now do I know for a fact that Mark Salter was that unnamed source? No, I don’t,” Hayworth told his listeners. “But could a reasonable person connect the dots after, to be polite you could call it a threat, to be more realistic you could call it a threat of blackmail, in that memorandum?”
Salter denies the charge, but both he and McCain have been known for a shoot-from-the-hip style, and a willingness to alienate GOP colleagues. McCain in particular has been prone to explode when dealing with Republican opponents of his immigration reform ideas. Would it really be a surprise if the man who considered a party switch in 2001, and who contemplated becoming Kerry’s vice presidential candidate in 2004, and who attacked Republican colleagues over immigration - had also threatened a Republican colleague over it?
Hayworth was a solid conservative who held a GOP-leaning seat for 12 years. He was ultimately cleared by the Department of Justice in December, 2007 - slightly more than a year after he was defeated for re-election, largely because of questions regarding his supposed ‘links’ to Abramoff.
If McCain contributed to that narrow loss, he ought to answer for it.
Update: It’s come to my attention that JD Hayworth has previously published the text of the E-mail his Chief of Staff received from McCain aide Mark Salter. Judge for yourself if McCain was trying to blackmail Hayworth:
As you can guess, much consternation over here about your boss’s quick attack on a bill [ the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill] we’ve been working on for months, in the most arduous discussions, and we think, managed to arrive at a very good product with a broad constituency behind it, not to mention three of your boss’ delegation members.
Obviously, the attack occurred before anyone has even seen the bill. At best, it was discourteous, and we took it quite personally.
FYI: We’ve been inundated with press requests to comment on your boss’s Abrahamoff, sky box, etc. situation. We’ve refused them. I think you should be prepared for that to change.
Salter says after he sent this E-mail, he got an angry E-mail back and ‘that was the end of it.’ A news search shows that stories about Hayworth and Abramoff increased significantly after this point, but that doesn’t prove anything.

But I thought
andysmith Monday, October 12th at 10:28AM EDT (link)that John McCain was above politics as usual? =)
“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”
“I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.”
-The great Ronald Reagan
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C'mon - he does NOT practice politics as usual
bk Monday, October 12th at 10:33AM EDT (link)Everyone else criticizes people in the OTHER party and speaks kindly of those in THEIR OWN party.
Ahhh bk... You maybe missed the Governor's election in that
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 9:25PM EDT (link)state just to the left of Canada?
Arizona Republic had far more to do with it
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 10:34AM EDT (link)When one of two papers in Arizona, a paper not exactly known as the NY Times West comes out full force against you, the word “Toast” comes to mind.
Sparing the vitriol, who knows maybe JD is now a kinder gentler sort after a period in the wilderness, but the major Phoenix newspaper head line says it all. Mitchell over the bully
What did McCain do or not do to undermine JD’s run, who knows, but the Arizona Republic did a heck of a lot more to torpedo JD, well unless McCain has super powers.
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Steve LA...It might be surprising that I'm with you on this for the moment...however...
AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 5:29PM EDT (link)the evidence here is circumstantial at best so it’s not time to break out the tar and feathers for McCain…but are you trying to make excuses for McCain here?
I don’t care who was more to blame if McCain had anything to do with feeding this story to the press…if this can be proven…then he deserves to be keel hauled and driven from the party!
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AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 5:31PM EDT (link)to the AZ Republic…or the AZ Republic for reporting the dirt they’d been fed?
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It was never an issue in the election. Never.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 6:27PM EDT (link)Not for an instant.
The ONLY issue that mattered was JD.
Oh My..
smitch61 Monday, October 12th at 10:50AM EDT (link)That would be an interesting race to watch.
If only McCain was this vicious towards Democrats
crosley Monday, October 12th at 11:34AM EDT (link)we might have won the election.
What about Simcox's campaign?
KeepOhioRed Monday, October 12th at 12:57PM EDT (link)Doesn’t McCain already have a challenger in the primary next year?
Any/All challengers to McCain worthy of support
JLenardDetroit Monday, October 12th at 9:33PM EDT (link)you are correct, as pointed out tiny.cc/RepConNom#az
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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But who will be
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 9:49PM EDT (link)But who will be your Ned Lamott of choice to run against McCain?
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Hey JLD... two things.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 10:11PM EDT (link)First, your tiny link just goes to an ad for tiny urls. If it’s supposed to be to a story you should repost it.
Second, out of state money should NOT be sent to McCain’s primary opponents. Send it to Rubio or Toomey or to any of probably 30 or 40 contested House races. Cash will be scarce, we need to use it wisely.
Thanks MB
JLenardDetroit Monday, October 12th at 11:40PM EDT (link)not sure what happened
AZ section…. we’ll see if tiny.cc/ConRepNom link sticks… just started trying to use tiny.cc, not sure if they are reliable or not yet - that one could have been my error/mistake. tiny.cc/rsjld working okay thus far.
Frankly, what little I have I am sharing with several and what little they may be able to do with/against McLame I am willing to support… Nothing happens if we do NOT try to help out and McLame (and all the others) need a message sent — IMO, going at McLame helps send that message.
Further, funding Conservative PACs helps more than any one particular Candidate and were the only outlets willing to run the ads/campaigns worthy of supporting based on the last go ’round.
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Yawn.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 10:05PM EDT (link)You can find some comment here.
Bottom line, none of his challengers have money or have the ability to raise money in the quantities required for anything but lunch at Jack-in-the-Box. Of the three, one has no name rec, Simcox has no “good” name rec and JD is a well known jerk. Assuming Janet stays in DC, the Dems will be running Fred Gxyflznes again. Fred won’t have any money for the general, won’t be able to raise any and still won’t be known outside his immediate family. McCain can, and will, raise unlimited amounts of money outside of Arizona (which he will probably bequeath to his ignorant, ditsy daughter in ‘16) and since he’ll have to spend upwards of $50 to win the general, can spend $10MM on the primary.
going at McCain....
JLenardDetroit Tuesday, October 13th at 12:09AM EDT (link)Granted, JD is a loud-mouth jerk, but is better on the Issues…. I’ll support him over McCain
Simcox, easily attacked and McCain will be happy to have surrogates go at him with RACE-BAITING on the Border issues — another reason why McLame must be removed! and I am willing therefore to support any Primary Campaign with what little resources I have.
It is a shame we cannot garner a better Primary Candidate… We all agree that McCain is STILL harming the Party — maybe even more-so now that he still thinks he is the defacto Republican Leader just because we SETTLED and MADE-DO with him as the Presidential Candidate last time out.
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I’ve sent to Toomey and Rubio already as well as Simcox, still waiting for the attacks on Wilsons’ site to cease so I can give there, and will certainly be looking at the other 2 Erick has mentioned here as well as others as we discuss them all the way up to the Primary and then on to helping more for the General Election.
We have to help fund whomever is the opponent of Prince Harry in NV…. Some House races (Joe Wilson for one) that need some National Conservatives helps…. Some Governor races (Kasich, in OH, for one IMO)…. and again Conservative PACs….
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IMO, we cannot continue to allow McCain to think he can/does speak for the Republican base
and IMO we have to go at ridding ourselves of these folks dragging the Party down just as hard as replacing Democrats. If we do NOT, IMO, it does not send a strong enough message to those we are demanding join us to fight for Conservatism in the Party to bring the next Conservative Revolution — they may not consider it/us serious if we continue to allow these folks hang around - or at least make serious attempts to TOSS THEM!!!!
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I will support anybody over McCain. Anybody.
mbecker908 Tuesday, October 13th at 12:33AM EDT (link)I’ll even give them money, but I live here. I’ll knock on doors too.
As far as McCain thinking he speaks for the base, he thinks he speaks for God. He and Obama just haven’t worked out all the details of that one yet. There is NOTHING you or I can do to have one iota of impact on John McCain unless and until we come up with an alternative candidate in AZ. I doubt that will be happening any time soon and certainly not soon enough to impact ‘10.
I think our best shot is to look at a replacement in ‘16 when, hopefully, he retires and his brain dead female progeny runs to replace him. Her we can bury.
Frustated as much with these "McCane" (and Abel) types...
JLenardDetroit Tuesday, October 13th at 12:46AM EDT (link)as much as I am Dealing with our Frustration with the Politically Brain-dead in general that pull that JackAss lever blindly….
I wish I could relocate to AZ for this Election and work for any/all of his Primary Candidates…. Really…. I am way beyond disgusted and grow more angry with every opening of his SELL-OUT mouth!!!
And someone tell Bob Dole to keep his trap shut also…. These, “Get A Bill, Any Bill” types are as responsible for this SOCIALIST Nation as the JackAsses are.
PROUD MEMBER OF THE HELL NO PARTY!
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how 'bout this: We (R) need more of the RIGHT Loud-mouths to go against the Left's Lying Loud-mouths
JLenardDetroit Tuesday, October 13th at 6:11PM EDT (link)so while JD is not perfect, I’ll take him any day over Mc”CANE” who kills the “Able” [sic, but one should get the reference] CONSERVATIVE agenda with his all too quick and easy Sell-outs.
Hopefully the corrected tiny link is working
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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how 'bout this: We (R) need more of the RIGHT Loud-mouths to go against the Left's Lying Loud-mouths
JLenardDetroit Tuesday, October 13th at 6:11PM EDT (link)so while JD is not perfect, I’ll take him any day over Mc”CANE” who kills the “Able” [sic, but one should get the reference] CONSERVATIVE agenda with his all too quick and easy Sell-outs.
Hopefully the corrected tiny link is working
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
SteveLA is absolutely right.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 1:18PM EDT (link)And since I see names I don’t know, you can check my posting history. I live in AZ and I have never voted for McCain in a statewide election. I detest the guy.
That said, JD needed no help to lose to Harry Mitchell. By 2006 the folks in Arizona were really sick and tired of JD. There have been two consistent “reasons” tossed around for his loss to Mitchell, the Abramoff thing and his position on immigration. My take on that is 1 - hogwash and 2 - hogwash.
The guy simply comes across as a loud mouth whiner and a vicitim. When he was first elected - in ‘94 - he was welcomed by us as an “outsider” who committed to three terms and out. At the end of his third term he had become convinced that seniority was important. Oh gee. His fame, such as it was, arose from his willingness to get in front of a camera and say pretty much anything inflammatory (he started out in life as a sportscaster, so he’s naturally at home in front of a camera).
Now, for the naysayers, yes, he does have a reasonably popular radio talk show. I think it’s reasonably popular, he’s been on a while and I’ll admit I’ve never heard him. I don’t much listen to talk radio and I doubt I’d listen to JD if I did. A talk radio audience in Phoenix won’t resurrect his political career.
I doubt JD could beat my dead white cat if he was running for Maricopa County dog catcher. He’s about as well liked around here as herpes. And yes Steve, the Republic hates him. And their pretty positive compared to Tucson paper, the Arizona Star.
I obviously have no idea about the story that JD’s pandering around. Frankly, given his history here I’d be looking for a notarized letter from God attesting to the story’s veracity before I believed it. Also, at the end of the day, Even if it were true it didn’t cost JD the election. JD cost JD the election.
With respect to the upcoming election, I’ll say again, McCain is unbeatable absent a live boy or a dead girl being found in his bed. There is no Democrat who can compete against him in the general unless Janet comes back to run against him and I don’t see that happening and the Democratic Party certainly won’t throw scarce money into a race where their candidate has next to no statewide name recognition. Given that, McCain can spend literally $10MM on the primary. He’s running right now against two guys who have either no name recognition anywhere or almost none and who can’t raise enough money for a decent lunch between them. And then there’s JD. He can probably raise a little out-of-state money, he’ll raise next to none (at least not nearly enough) in-state. And he’ll get slaughtered.
We need to concentrate on Marco and Toomey, they can both win. Money, or ink, or bandwidth spent beating McCain is opportunity washed down the drain.
Used to catch his act on FOX
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 1:26PM EDT (link)mbecker
I used to catch his “act” on FOX before JD got beat, and it was everything that the AZ Republic complained about. I’m not sure if JD learned his lesson, but let him run for his old seat and see if the voters have changed their views of him, or the Donk in the seat today.
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I agree JD is a blow hard and I've never really liked him...
AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 5:36PM EDT (link)I always looked at him as a Rush Limbaugh wannabe…that said…if this can be proven…McCain and his staffers should be taken to the wood shed to the extent possible!
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...taken to the woodshed...
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 6:26PM EDT (link)won’t happen. Nobody cares. At least in Arizona. The very thought of JD facing McCain is probably enough to get 90% of the Republicans who would normally vote in the primary to stay home.
Or, OTOH, this could be a ploy by Simcox. Having JD and McCain in a cat fight would make him look really good. Hell, it would make my ex-wife’s lawyer look good.
Speaking of ex's
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 6:33PM EDT (link)Simpcox’s ex has had quite a bit to say about him, so is he really someone that really appeals to anyone?
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Simcox has the Minutemen
aesthete Monday, October 12th at 6:39PM EDT (link)That’s it. I can’t see him getting any support in Tucson, and in Phoenix, he probably won’t get much. If you can’t win or break even in at least one of those two, you have no chance. (BTW, this is without considering the boatloads of $, media support, Party support, and general coverage and name recognition that McCain has.)
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
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“I am a freeman in a free state!”
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Not all of them
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 6:49PM EDT (link)Lots of news out there about splinter groups from the MM that have taken exception to some of Simcox’s ways, but there’s little point in rehashing all that. Leave it say that Simcox has a boat load of baggage that if he somehow managed to win the R primary I don’t see how he could do well in the general.
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Pretty much
aesthete Monday, October 12th at 6:56PM EDT (link)He’ll be lucky if he can reach Ron Paul status in this election: the Minutemen aren’t particularly well-liked, mostly because they’re insane, and Simcox is a one-issue man.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
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Addendum
aesthete Monday, October 12th at 6:58PM EDT (link)Simcox’s Minutemen are insane. I haven’t bothered to look at Gilchrist’s group, but I hear that they’re better.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Not even - necessarily - all the Minutemen.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 6:55PM EDT (link)There are at least two distinct groups of “Minutemen”, one founded and led by Jim Gilchrist the other is the “Minuteman Civil Defense Corps” that Simcox is associated with.
And it’s pretty easy to paint a broadstroke picture of Simcox as a wacko from some of the stuff he’s done with them.
Winning Tucson gets you, ahhh, Tucson. Just ask Eddie Basha.
Heh, forgot about Eddie
aesthete Monday, October 12th at 7:03PM EDT (link)If I recall, Gilchrist is sponsoring JD (ugh) as the nominee. At any rate, Simcox has about as much of a chance to win the primary as I do, and even less to win in the general.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
LOL...I love it nt
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DerKrieger Monday, October 12th at 1:25PM EDT (link)…but I’m starting to wonder if McCain and some other RiNO’s are on Soros’ payroll. I’m not a conspiracy theory kinda guy but what else explains the behavior of some of these people?
At least Democrats who don’t go along with the Lefties in their party are responding to their constituents who aren’t radicals like the Demo leadership. This doesn’t serve as an explanation for RiNO’s though. They are constantly seeking to hobble the conservative agenda and I’m starting to wonder whether or not some of them are being paid to throw the game. If they’ve been offered a big enough payout why would they care about selling out the public who are no more than a bunch of strangers anyway?
People like McCain don’t have firmly held principles one way or the other so there has to be something external motivating them to obstruct the conservative agenda often with ferocity.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Actually I seem to remember Malkin having an article about Soros & McCain...
JadedByPolitics Monday, October 12th at 2:00PM EDT (link)When I get home from work I will check around her site for that BUT it was pretty damning as I remember it!
I don’t think any of us would be surprised as McCain is a VIPER period. He is for himself and himself ONLY!!!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Your last sentence is the key Jaded.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 4:03PM EDT (link)Frankly I could care less if McCain took Soros’ money. Actually, I’d prefer he did. As much as I detest the SoB, I will say that I don’t think he can be bought. Maybe once upon a time, but no more and not for a really long time. That opinion has nothing to do with McCain being “honest” or “ethical”. I’m on record as saying that John McCain hung his honesy, ethics and character in the closet with his Naval uniforms when he retired. Like his uniforms, they’re still there. McCain can’t be bought for one simple reason, he is for McCain and McCain only. Everything else and everyone else is just there for his temporary use.
They ARE on Georger Soros Payroll...McCain is a member of the RMSP and they have taken $50,000 from SEIU
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Post Update comment on JD and the email...
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 3:27PM EDT (link)JD is a freaking whiner. That doesn’t even approach “hardball politics” let alone “blackmail”.
I can pretty much guarantee you that the Arizona Republic needed no “leaks” from McCain’s office to either find or publish stuff they perceived as negative about JD. And, once again, it was JD’s personality and presentation that really drove the nail in his coffin in ‘06. Harry Mitchell just happened to be the recipient of timing, negative perceptions broadcast nationally and across the board about “conservatives” and actually finding one who is a jerk to run against.
I'm suspicious of the use of the term "Amnesty Bill" in an Email supposedly from a McCain Staffer...
AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 5:43PM EDT (link)Maybe it was added in a press piece or someone Brian is quoting…I’d like to know the source of the quote in parenthesis because McCain and his allies have always run away screaming from the term “Amnesty”.
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That said...I differ with you in this....
AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 5:46PM EDT (link)I have no doubt this statement is true…but where I differ is that if it can be proven that McCain and his cronies pulled this kind of stunt…he should be hung, drawn and quartered by the party and never again receive a dime from any Republican organization
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You're missing the point Ace.
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 6:23PM EDT (link)Abramoff didn’t put a dent in JD’s support. Neither did his support for tougher immigration policy. The fact that JD is a self absorbed a*hole who can’t keep his mouth shut and was 100% available for TV time is what finally did him in. We got tired of the obnoxious victim he played for too many years.
Now then, with respect to McCain and his staff (and his ditsy daughter), hanging, drawing and quartering works for me. As would impaling. Or being locked in a room and forced to listen to tapes of JD being interviewed while he was in office.
Whoa, hold on!
aesthete Monday, October 12th at 6:35PM EDT (link)“Or being locked in a room and forced to listen to tapes of JD being interviewed while he was in office.”
I’m with you on the hanging, drawing, quartering, and impaling (preferably with a wooden stake), but I wouldn’t have my worst enemy listen to JD’s “interviews”
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
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I included that as a reminder to McCain of exactly what "real" torture is... nt
mbecker908 Monday, October 12th at 6:57PM EDT (link)LOL...nt
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Torture...we don't need no stinking torture
SteveLA Monday, October 12th at 9:25PM EDT (link)mbecker
Torture, we don’t need no stinking torture, we’ve got the Republican Inquisition and circular firing squad headed by Tomás de AceinTex Torquemada..He’ll stiff out the evil doers in the Republican party who have done poor little old innocent wall flower JD wrong….or something like that LOL.
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I thought you were the one who was so against Republicans trashing other Republicans Steve?
AceInTX Tuesday, October 13th at 3:50PM EDT (link)I’m not disputing anything mbecker says here…I could give a tinker’s damn about JD Hayworth…I doubt I’d vote for him in all honesty…yet you want to accuse me of heading an inquisition because the idea is repugnant to me….of someone like McCain…or one of his staffers dishing dirt and piling on to a fellow Republican!
What really frosts my britches about you Steve…is that you constantly accuse me and other conservatives of engaging in this kind of activity when we’ve never done anything of the kind…yet when the possibility arrises that one of your precious moderates in the Senate may have done so…you find occasion to attack us for daring to show the same outrage that you have become so masterful at displaying…
HYPOCRITE!!!
and by the way…if you’ll read what I’ve written in this thread…I’ve expressed my suspicions that JD is playing lose with the facts here and am giving McCain the benefit of the doubt for the most part..
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to clarify...I left part of my statement off...
AceInTX Tuesday, October 13th at 3:52PM EDT (link)and deliberately costing the party a red seat all in a fit of pique!
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I'll add Torquemada never showed anyone the benifit of the doubt...
AceInTX Tuesday, October 13th at 3:54PM EDT (link)and you’re comparison…while it is typical for you…is beyond the pale!
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I'm not arguing the points you are making about JD...
AceInTX Monday, October 12th at 9:09PM EDT (link)and I don’t know if McCain did this…and I think fire should be held untill we know for sure McCain did it…I.m suspicious as I’ve stated earlier because I don’t see a McCain staffer using the term “Amnesty” which is in the email Brian Posted…
What I am saying is…both could be true…JD could and likely did lose because he is a blow hard and a bully…but McCain may well have dished dirt on him and piled on…in which case McCain should pay whether any of what he did dented JD or not…McCain is famous for this kind of crap and it’s high time he pay for his cattish behavior…we have no fundamental disagreement beyond the idea that we should turn a blind eye to McCain’s alleged treachery because JD is an AXXhole…
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Lee Hempfling Monday, October 12th at 7:59PM EDT (link)I try to listen to JD as often as I can (which isn’t very often sorry to say) but this story is not at all what it is cracked up to be.. This is nothing but typical political threats. It happens all the time. If this gets your hair up, you should hear what they tell each other when they are not in writing. This was not blackmail. It is a threat to create extortion. Extortion is how politics works. JD knows that. He is a basic one serious topic person, and often gets some of that wrong, but this is not all what you think it is.
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