While it was largely lost in the debate over passage of Pelosi-care on Saturday night, it may turn out that the most politically costly vote many Democrats cast was against the Motion to Recommit.
Simply put, the Motion to Recommit gives the minority party one last chance to force a vote on a change to the underlying bill. Here’s a summary sent out by the Republican leadership of the Motion to Recommit on the health care overhaul:
The Republican Motion to Recommit H.R. 3962, Speaker Pelosi’s Government Take-Over of Health Care, would amend the bill to add medical liability reform (savings of $54 billion) and use the savings achieved to create a “Seniors Protection and Medicare Regional Payment Equity Fund.”
The fund would require the Secretary to prioritize funding to protect those seniors hit hardest by the cuts to Medicare under Speaker Pelosi’s bill. Specifically, the purpose of the fund would be to:
- Preserve seniors’ access to Medicare Advantage,
- Protect seniors’ access to medically-necessary care (including seeing doctors and hospitals without waiting in lines, and preventing coverage determinations based on cost), and
- Address payment inequities and geographic variations in Medicare that hurts seniors who live in areas with high-quality, low-cost services.
The Pelosi Government Take-Over of Health Care cuts more than $500 billion from Medicare, leaving seniors with reduced benefits and fewer choices. While at the same time, the Pelosi bill protects trial lawyers by not addressing real medical liability reform, a critical reform that would reduce health care costs for all Americans. The Republican motion to recommit offers Members a choice on who to protect: seniors or trial lawyers.
Naturally, almost every Democrat in the House of Representatives voted against the motion. They are bound to face commercials attacking them for supporting their trial lawyer buddies instead of Medicare recipients. Here’s a taste:
I suspect we’ll see a lot of forlorn-looking senior citizens looking out windows in campaign ads next year. I think they’re hiding behind the curtains, lest they be spotted by the roving bands of death panelists.
Link to NRO works but the embed does not
E Pluribus Unum Monday, November 9th at 2:56PM EST (link)At least for me.
Carthago delenda est
Pelosi Disturbed: Takes a Question 'What are you scrooge'
louesc Monday, November 9th at 7:41PM EST (link)I have an attack ad and if you want a good laugh in Light of these drones infringing on our Liberties with the NO CHOICE PUBLIC DEATH PLAN. Take a look at this video.
https://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com/Pelosi_Disturbed_Takes.html
Louis
Reject Tyranny and Defend Liberty!
Bring on the ads now
vamoose Monday, November 9th at 3:18PM EST (link)I think it would be great strategy to bring on ads now defining the Dems as out-of-touch with the electorate. $10 million spent now will pay huge dividends over the next year. The ads will opposition to government-run health care to be heard by the senate and make it easier to remind people what happened on Saturday night, rather than trying to educate them next fall.
1) The MSM isn’t going to do the job for the GOP; quite the opposite in fact.
2) People want to do something now. They feel a sense of helplessness and disgust as they watched the Pelosi jam down. Have a virtual march on Washington. Instead of spending $100-$1000 to come to Washington for a rally, contribute $20 to the virtual rally. 500,000 people brings in $10 million. Besides the mall doesn’t have any trash left to be picked up after 9/12 and Bachmann Thursday. This should raise enough fund a lot of ads in battleground districts.
3) At the end of every ad, show the date November 2, 2010 being circled with “Vote” written on it with a person saying, “sooner or later they’ll listen to us.”
AL gubanatorial candidate Artur Davis voted no
WarEagle01 Monday, November 9th at 3:27PM EST (link)That should make the Alabama governor’s race interesting next year.
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
No against Cap and Tax too
usaltc Tuesday, November 10th at 6:14AM EST (link)Artur Davis voted no on that as well. In fact ALL of our representatives voted “no” on both bills. Interesting indeed.
Davis ain't no dummy
soljerblue Tuesday, November 10th at 1:37PM EST (link)I expected Bright and Griffith to vote No. Their websites have been saying as much for several months. Davis, too, although not as strongly. I wondered about him because he’s a personal friend of Obama, and his gerrymandered district covers much of the Black Belt. Far as I know, he never held a townhall meeting this summer either. But — as you say — he voted No on Crud-n-Tax, and he also has been pro-Second Amendment(so far). I’m sure he studied last year’s election returns, and knows that only Jefferson, and the BlackBelt counties voted for Obama. No matter — he’s gonna have a tough row to hoe in 2010.
Reply to vamoose
amigag Monday, November 9th at 3:50PM EST (link)I agree with getting ads out now. The Seniors need to know about the motion to recommit, what it was about and which Party put it forth on their behalf. We need to keep this on the front burner now like you suggested. The Seniors need to know now that it was the Dems that voted against them by voting against this motion. This is on record and will be much more difficult for the truth about this to be “spun” away. Brian is right to bring this out and you are right to support it in the way you have.
We need real conservatives in the senate
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 5:10PM EST (link)And it looks like Lamontagne is throwing his hat into the NH senate race ( http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1109/Lamontagne_announces_Senate_campaign.html ), Ayotte strikes me as another RINO in the same vein as Arlen Specter. I can’t stomach another one of those fools being in the senate.
I’m glad Rubio is getting traction, but we need to focus on other races like NH-Sen with Lamontagne, Chris Simcox in Arizona, Chuck DeVore here in California, and even O’Donnel in Delaware. Castle’s support of abortion and stem cell funding is a betrayal of our conservative values, and anyone from Delaware should push Christie O’Donnel to run in the primary against Castle.
We don’t need anymore RINOs.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
redinsf
ktsub Monday, November 9th at 5:52PM EST (link)So tiring hearing in EVERY SINGLE thread (from many folks), we dont need anymore RINO’s. Geez could we let the people of the electorate make-up their minds, have you heard anything Ayotte has said?
I am not from NH, but have listened to her on you tube and during newscasts, there is nothing at all wrong with her as a candidate in the GOP primary.
Could we concentrate our fire on Democrats for one day, the GOP not perfect, who is, is trying to stop this crap, and all we do here is bash anyone not 100% lock-step with some made-up requirements.
Ayotte is a fine candidate, and if the GOP voters of Florida conclude that Crist is their nominee, I will respect their decision. Rubio is a great candidate, hope he wins, but I think maybe Ronald Reagan’s advice to hold fire on your own, should be done here. Ronald Reagan did not attack other conservatives and less-than-hardcore conservatives, that is how he built the future majority.
Sorry it just gets old, as soon as any name is mentioned, someone says “oh I am SO concerned they are a RINO”. I would take 11 more RINO votes in the Senate at the moment, I would feel much better about stopping Health Care Reform.
The problem is that those RINOs would actually vote for Obamacare.
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 9:56PM EST (link)Don’t think they wouldn’t
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
redinsf, go get a life.
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 8:22PM EST (link)Or get involved in the Party and do something.
With respect to Simcox, he won’t get 15% of the primary vote. McCain is unbeatable for reasons I’ve delineated about a dozen times.
Pick a fight you can win. And while we’re at it, quit trolling this crap. Write a diary. Get it out of your system.
Sorry I have convictions
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 8:44PM EST (link)But I will not settle for a GOP majority if its a democrat lite party in power, there is no point, Abortion will never get the restrictions is deserves if that is the case.
Maybe im a little too outspoken, but I feel really betrayed by the Main twins on the stimulus and CAOward on that healtcare vote. We aren’t democarats, we should be able to hold the party line, its gettin ridiculous.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
You may have "convictions" but you're absolutely wrong.
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 9:18PM EST (link)Your reactions are 100% knee-jerk.
The ME Girls have caused the Republican Party a problem exactly one time - TARP. I hold the arguable opinion that had Arlin Specter not been out front they would have voted NO. I could be wrong, but I’m not wrong on the point that in their terms in the US Senate they’ve never cast a vote that “hurt” us. They’ve voted the “wrong way” many times, but theirs was never the deciding vote. They aren’t in leadership positions and they are largely ignored by everybody but people like you who get their panties in a wad at any opportunity.
As far as Cao is concerned, he waited until the Ds had 218 to cast his vote. He also has the unfortunate circumstance that he represents a district where the combined IQs of all of his constituents is less than his. No matter how bad he might get, he’s lightyears away from Dollar Bill Jefferson and there is a good likelihood he’ll be a one term Congresscritter and he won’t be replaced by somebody “more conservative”. He’s probably the most conservative person in the district.
I will take Collins and Snowe to McCain, Graham or Voinavich to name three, any day of the week.
Not quite right on Cao...
MacAoidh Monday, November 9th at 9:39PM EST (link)Let’s not forget that he’s voted in favor of SCHIP, the Omnibus disaster and Cap And Trade as well.
The black ACORN/SEIU/Church of Crooks mob in New Orleans has already picked their candidate for next year; he’s a state senator named Cedric Richmond and he’s as left as he is corrupt. Richmond might be worse than Cao ethically and he’s going to embarrass the district, but the point is that we had a window this congressional term to get a conservative vote and Cao is 0-for-2 on the two worst pieces of legislation of all time - so there’s no point in having him as a Republican.
The majority of Cao’s voters and ALL of his financial support in that 2008 runoff election came from people who were legitimate Republicans and conservatives. He wouldn’t be in Congress but for us. And he has stabbed us in the back with his two votes. There isn’t much of a defense for that, regardless of the “realist” perspective some might have toward him.
Fine. Who've you got in the district that runs to the right of Cao
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 9:42PM EST (link)and has a snowball’s chance in Hell of getting elected?
That's Not Good Enough
IJB Monday, November 9th at 9:49PM EST (link)If the point is electing any yahoo we can with an “R” after name, we can already do that.
But we elect Republicans to *do* certain things, and vote *against* certain things.
If we don’t have a true “governing agenda”, what’s the point? Id’ rather not have an ‘R’ from that district if this is as good as we can do.
(One point in Cao’s favor - MacAoidh’s is actually wrong: Cao did NOT vote for Cap ‘n’ Tax. But I think, on balance, his point stands, and Cao should be kicked out of the caucus for his votes. Frankly, we’d be doing him a favor - he’s more likely to get reelected running as an Independent anyway…)
IJB is correct...
MacAoidh Monday, November 9th at 10:36PM EST (link)…Cao was not one of the Cap And Traitors. It was, however a “damned near-run thing,” so much so that Obama promised to help him get re-elected had he voted for it. Obama wouldn’t have done that without thinking he was pickoffable.
Cao’s voting record on SCHIP, the Omnibus nightmare and a few other key bills this year have made him one of the worst investments the GOP can make not just because he’s a goner next year.
As far as electing any yahoo with R...
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 11:17PM EST (link)we CAN’T do that.
Look, I don’t like Cao’s record. He sucks. And, I could make the argument that since he’s going to get creamed in ‘10 he should have been willing to stick his neck out, it’s not like he’s got anything to lose. But he didn’t. Oh well. I really don’t care because he ain’t gonna be around in 14 months anyway.
And I’ll come back to my original question about him: who is available who could run against him?
There are some good conservatives in that district...
MacAoidh Monday, November 9th at 11:24PM EST (link)…who might take a whack at him in order to make a name for themselves. Jeb Bruneau, who’s one of the principals at the Pelican Institute (a conservative think tank based out of New Orleans) and a friend of mine, would be a great candidate. I don’t know if it would be worth his while to run a suicide race, though.
If you’re primarying Cao as a matter of principle, you’re doing it to set an example for the other traitors in the party. Tactically, the best course is to drain all the money out of Cao’s campaign and let Richmond take him out. Either way, there should be ZERO support put behind him next year.
And if you think I’m hard on him, check out what this cat had to say: http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/me-hate-you-long-time-joe
I have no particular problem with that.
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 8:13AM EST (link)I believe LA is going to lose at least one House seat after ‘10. If that’s correct, I seem to recall that this seat will be on the chopping block.
At any rate, how will the loss of a seat impact the LA delegation?
You don't understand...
MacAoidh Monday, November 9th at 10:18PM EST (link)…CAO doesn’t have a snowman’s chance of getting elected. He went in last year on an even bigger fluke than the Scozzafava thing; Jefferson got the Democrat nomination in a primary squeaker despite his legal issues, and as such there were just enough votes to barely beat him in a weird election.
So the idea that “we can’t get anybody who’s going to do any better” is a canard. Cao would be lucky to get 35 percent in the absolute best of circumstances; thanks to his horrendous voting record he’s probably not even getting 30. My guess is if he gets primaried he’s going to lose and if a legit Republican runs they’ll end up with more raw votes than Cao got last year.
It sounds like you are ready and willing to have a party
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 9:42PM EST (link)of Lincoln Chafees if it gets us a majority. This is why McCain lost. I have nothing else to say.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
You obviously have no clue who you're talking to.
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 9:45PM EST (link)And while I’ll freely give you a pass on that, you can’t make an argument and you don’t get a pass on that.
A good argument for not supporting a candidate isn’t “because I’m tired of him/her”. You’ve got to have some sort of a “plan” thingy. You don’t. All you’ve got is pile of dust to stomp in.
And finally, I’m really encourage if in fact you have nothing else to say.
You know what, I'm not done
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 9:54PM EST (link)And you want to know why real conservatives like Chris Simcox won’t win in the primary? Because its people like you who dont want to start a grassroots campaign for him because you think he wont win. Its a self-fufilling prophecy. If we could take out Snarlen Arlen before the primary, you really think we couldn’t boot Castle or McCain? Give me a break. If you don’t want to support real conservatives, that’s fine, but don’t masquerade as a real conservative when you clearly aren’t.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
woah there youngblood!...
DONTREADONME Monday, November 9th at 10:03PM EST (link)I know you’re angry, but you are barking up the wrong tree. This isn’t the I’m more conservative than you are conversation, that’s what the commie-hahas do
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Becker is completely fine with the maine twins and cao
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 10:17PM EST (link)He obviously isnt a conservative, those three have voted for may socialist things, including the healthcare bill in the Senate Finance committee, the house healthcare bill, and the “Stimulus”. They deserve to be kicked out of the party if I had a say in the matter. They would probably make better democrats anyway.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
I would say that the battle...
DONTREADONME Monday, November 9th at 10:26PM EST (link)for the Conservative GOP candidate has to begin in the primary. I used to think otherwise, but Neil pointed that out the other day, and I think the best course of action is to let the people of Maine decide, do I want a RINO or a GOP-c? If they pick a RINO, at least they will vote for a GOP majority leader. Besides, I am still waiting for the 17th amendment to go away so the property owners in the state have a little more say in the states affairs. A legislature would better represent the state then a popular vote for a party, but alas I guess I’m just pragmatic.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
I gotta disagree with you on that one
redinsf Monday, November 9th at 10:29PM EST (link)Think of NY-23 with Scozzafava in every state. Its the same thing except exemplified.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
that was a different story...
DONTREADONME Monday, November 9th at 10:36PM EST (link)no primary was held; therefore, we raised our concerns by supporting the other candidate. Other than that, then we just disagree. Give it some time, you may come to compromise on this, and I don’t think it takes much of a leap. Of course, if you let the Democrats vote in your primary process then that kind of defeats the process.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
I'm fine with them because
mbecker908 Monday, November 9th at 11:13PM EST (link)1 - There is nobody in Maine who can successfully oppose them. Do you have a candidate loudmouth?
2 - They do no damage. Yeah, they voted for TARP. One vote.
Now then you ignorant pinhead, with respect to Simcox:
1 - There will be no Democrat of substance running in the general.
2 - McCain can raise $10MM easily for this race.
3 - He can spend all but $50 in the primary and still win the general.
4 - Simcox has more baggage than McCain.
5 - Simcox can’t raise enough money to be competitive.
6 - There is NO REPUBLICAN in the state who will run against McCain because of the above. None.
7 - There is no correlation to “taking out Arlen” and “taking out McCain”. First of all you ignorant fool, there was a viable candidate on the ground in PA. There isn’t one in Arizona. The two guys who’ve already announced are both jokes and JD Hayworth couldn’t get elected dog catcher.
With respect to kicking people out of the Party, I’m pretty sure you’re the kind of guy who, if he had his way, we’d have no Party left.
You bet I’m OK with Cao. He’s a crappy Republican and he got elected in that district because - and only because - Jefferson ran and the way the election laws in LA work he squeeked out a win. He will get his head handed to him this in ‘10 by a huge margin and then you can quit your fricking whining about how liberal he is when you have another crook in the Black Caucus.
With respect to Castle, I have no idea. I lived in DE for a while a long time ago but I don’t follow DE politics so I have - and haven’t made - a comment.
With respect to NY23, you have a situation there that doesn’t exist anywhere else in the country. It was a special election with no primary. In a primary DeDe would likely have lost to Hoffman. The key is to have a viable candidate. The third part of the NY23 equation is that the Conservative Party is a viable entity in NY State. And, as I’m sure you have absolutely no clue, it is the Conservative Party of New York and has no relationship to anything anywhere else. Very few states have multiple parties where a conservative third party is actually viable.
Most of what you said was true
redinsf Tuesday, November 10th at 1:19AM EST (link)But if we run primaries, it will scare these incumbents to run to the right, and in the end, it benefits the country as well as conservatives.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
As a general rule, no it won't. You have no connection with reality.
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 8:06AM EST (link)You can’t scare a Senator. They can - and have and do - anything they damn well please for the four years after they’re elected. They “pay attention” for the two years before their next election. They win. Any number of Republican (and some D) Senators have made a very nice career out of it.
You MUST have a minor league to develop new “players”. We don’t, and frankly because the retention rate for Senators and Congresscritters is 85%+++ there’s no incentive to have one.
The only reason we’ve got a shot at flipping two seats from liberal R to conservative R is because there is someone available and qualified to run, somebody with experience and who can raise money. That would be Toomey and Marco Rubio. We also had a shot at tossing Chafee in RI, again because there was a viable candidate in place, and he might have lost had the NRSC stayed out of the race.
I’d love to see the ME Girls replaced with conservatives. I’d rather see McCain and Graham (and half a dozen others) tossed first. But there is no viable candidate waiting in the wings to oppose them.
Oh, and there is no way in hell you can third party candidates in the general and do anything but elect Democrats. That is a well established principle on both sides - just ask former President Gore.
And just so I'm clear...
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 8:09AM EST (link)We should find and develop potential candidates and run them for national office only when they’re viable. Run lots of sacrificial candidates for school board and state rep - the strong will survive and they will be the gene pool.
What you say makes sense
redinsf Tuesday, November 10th at 1:02PM EST (link)But this country is being taken over by liberal Facists, and the RINOs are only helping, its pathetic, I will still fight for Lamontagne in NH, that is really a conservative state, and it deserves a Conservative senator, as do the other states I mentioned.
Don’t think I won’t try to donate money to Simcox or any other conservative Candidate in the Primary, its the only way I can influence elections outside my stupid state.
NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
If you really mean what you say and you want to make a difference
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 9:32PM EST (link)do two things.
1. Donate money to candidates who have a shot at winning. Giving money to Simcox is like throwing it down a rat hole. It won’t make any difference and Simcox will never be heard from again after this election.
2. Get involved in the Party at the local level where you live.
What about Joe?
soljerblue Tuesday, November 10th at 2:11PM EST (link)Just occurs to me that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio would be the kind of guy who could take on McCain. I-dunno, I’m from Alabama — just wondering…
Arpaio would get slaughtered.
mbecker908 Tuesday, November 10th at 9:26PM EST (link)1. He’s not interested in being anything but Sheriff. He could have run for Governor against Napolitano the first time and he might have won but he turned it down.
2. He’s either older than McCain or close enough it doesn’t matter.
3. In the world of polarizing politicians, Arpaio is king. I doubt he’d get 100 votes outside of Maricopa County and McCain would beat him here.
4. He’s an arrogant jerk and a lousy sheriff.
NRCC
ktsub Monday, November 9th at 5:53PM EST (link)BTW the NRCC finally got a decent ad. I guess we still will not support the NRCC, because some moderate districts will have moderate GOP candidates, and we will let the Dems walk thru the door again in 2010.
The NRCC
afsarge Monday, November 9th at 7:38PM EST (link)just needs to stay out of primaries, no backing of one GOP candidate over another. Once the people of the state/district choose their candidate, THEN the NRCC should, by all means, be involved, and the candidate should have the full backing of everyone.
Exactly correct.
MacAoidh Monday, November 9th at 9:26PM EST (link)The point of the NRCC and the NRSC is that their job is to help elect Republican candidates. It is not to nominate candidates; that’s up to the local party.
Now, if the accusations are true that the NRCC got involved in producing Scozzafava, that’s unforgivable. It’s also unforgivable that the NRSC threw in for Crist. Neither should happen.
The NRCC did have the option, however, that once Scozzafava was the GOP nominee they could have conserved their resources and not blown money on a terrible candidate who would have been a cancer within the House GOP Caucus. That’s a decision within their purview.
Local Republicans know best how to elect Republicans - or if they don’t, then by all means it’s time for grassroots conservatives to get off their rear ends and make a difference. But the NRCC and NRSC should NOT get involved. Where there are primaries, NOBODY from the party should get involved.
Pelosi Disturbed: Takes a Question 'What are you scrooge'
louesc Monday, November 9th at 7:40PM EST (link)I have a good attack ad and if you want a good laugh in Light of these drones infringing on our Liberties with the NO CHOICE PUBLIC DEATH PLAN. Take a look at this video.
https://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com/Pelosi_Disturbed_Takes.html
Louis
Reject Tyranny and Defend Liberty!
Nice post -- good to call attention to
Dan Perrin Tuesday, November 10th at 12:39AM EST (link)the motion to recommit and the house floor vote.
It had been lost in the shuffle.