The GOP should have a rational Health Care plan not just a hands off approach, and here are the reasons why…


In response to Warner Todd Huston’s post entitled:

Is Healthcare a ‘Right’?

Lets have a look back at our history. Back in 1886 firefighting was mostly unregulated, and considered a private matter that had little government involvement. Home owners who desired to have their homes protected from destruction by fire had to pay private for-profit fire companies to respond and put out any fires that might start, which was not uncommon in wood-frame houses of the day that burned wood or coal for heat and used candles or oil lamps for light.

In those days fire insurance companies existed where a person could buy a policy that would cover the cost to put out any fire that might ensue on the property. Insurance companies would issue an insurance badge that was affixed to the front of the house so that any fire company would be assured of payment for their services. Home owners who didn’t have a policy and a badge, and couldn’t pay upfront for the services, had to fight the fire on their own and the fire company would stand by to ensure their neighbor’s home (those who had insurance) didn’t catch fire. Many people thought this was inhumane and called for a solution to this problem because the poor often could not afford fire insurance and as a result, it was the poor and uninsured who suffered the most from destruction and death by fire.

Eventually a solution for this problem was reached and I am sure you already know what it is. Private for profit fire companies and fire insurance companies were replaced by government run non-profit fire departments supported by property taxes instead of fees. Now I am also sure that by now you are beginning to see the correlation between 1886′s fire companies and fire insurance companies with 2009′s health care providers and health insurance companies. Some of the same arguments were made back then for keeping the old system, but I think we made the right decision to dump that system and adopt the one we have today,… for fire services that is.

Even though fire services and health care services are very similar in nature, we didn’t adopt the same system for health care service, I think it’s time we did,

However, notice that the system of government run fire departments that has been so successful for the last hundred odd years is NOT a Federal government run system, but rather it is a LOCAL government system that is mainly funded on the local level with additional support from State and Federal programs, and also there was no longer a need for the old fire insurance companies anymore. They had to move on to insuring other things, like health care.

So, I think the local fire department model is a good one for a rational and nearly universal method of distributing health care services, except, since health care is a lot more expensive than firefighting, I think it should be a State and Local partnership with dollars coming mainly from the state level and doctors and nurses employed mainly at the local level.

Inevitably, someone will bring up the subject of market economics and competition to defend the current system, so let me point out that these are not lost on the fire department example, they become a factor of locale. Just like people want to know how close a fire house, or fire hydrant, or for that matter a police station is to their prospective new home, people will look closely at the kind of health care offered in one locale with those offered in another locale and choose the one that fits their needs.

And for those die hard capitalists who are opposed to health care reform, I ask you, if relying on private enterprise and market economics is the best and most efficient system, then why don’t we get rid of “socialized” police forces and fire departments and interstates and rely entirely on private enterprise to supply us with law enforcement and fire services and have all highways privately run as toll roads?

Answer: It may be true that firefighting and police protection and health care are not “rights” per se, but in a modern civilized society they are universal necessities that we want everyone to have; and local government is the method that we have chosen most often in the past to provide such services.


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Strawman

Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:10AM EDT (link)

No one opposes health care reform. Conservatives just have different reform ideas.

Also, there is still fire insurance. It is just in a different form now days. It doesn’t cover the fire fighters, it covers the cost of the home and possessions therein.

 

Good analogy except for one point...The FEDERAL government wasn't the solution to the problem

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:14AM EDT (link)

it was dealt with locally…Had the central government gotten infloved with it we’d still have fire departments responding to the fires with Horses and fire wagons and 20 men would have to hand pump the water from the wagon!

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I completely agree. nt

Britcom (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 4:03PM EDT (link)

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Oh...and it's bad form to call out a fellow poster in a blog...let alone a title to a blog...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:15AM EDT (link)

Meh. He's not calling him out; just writing a response.

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:26AM EDT (link)

I don’t see anything inappropriate about this at all. Now, if he titled a blog, “WTH is a big D-bag, and here’s why” — THAT would be bad form.

Here, it’s the equivalent of titling it “A response to WTH’s healthcare blog”

maybe...but he could have done it without using his name...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

I think the reason for the policy is to keep flame wars from getting personal.

I guess I’m kind of touchy on the subject because Dave Hinz and I were stalked by our own personal troll and were called out by name on a regular basis by the moron in question…I think he’s gone now…finally….but it was no fun while it was going on!

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Re: the name in the title.

Britcom (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

I accept your reasoning for the avoidance of names in the titles of diaries, so I have removed Warner’s name from the title. Use of a person’s name used to be a sign of respect. It’s a shame that that is no longer the case. I kept his full name in the body to give him credit for his work which is what professional writers traditional do.

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That's fair...You make good points aside from that...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 5:14PM EDT (link)

Thank You. nt.

Britcom (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 5:29PM EDT (link)

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State bungling

Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:20AM EDT (link)

Unfortunately the states have bungled health care reform, see Massachusetts and Tennessee. Every state has increased unnecessary costs through mandates (check the pulldown menu, insurance news in your state, here http://www.healthbenefitsdirect.com/ ).

Also the biggest problem standing in the way of health care reform is the federal tax law which ties health care providers to your job. No matter what state or local governments propose, they cannot change federal tax law.

The biggest problem is actually that we accept the liberal lines about why we need healthcare reform.

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:29AM EDT (link)

And, too many republicans ultimately accept their reasoning: that people are ENTITLED to health insurance. And once we start down that road, it’s just a hop skip and jump until where exactly where the libs want us to be.

You’re right though — if there DOES need to be change in the system, it needs to start with the federal government not getting MORE involved, but LESS.

 

Right, Kyle-MI. Just heard a report on the radio

janis (Diary) Tuesday, July 21st at 10:40AM EDT (link)

about some outfit likening TennCare to what Obamacare will be like. TennCare was muy expensive, had vast areas of fraud, and pushed Tennessee’s budget into the negative numbers which resulted in the state politicians trying to push an income tax on the state. Under one of the worst Republican governors ANY state has ever known, Don Sundquist. Fortunately, the voters made so much of a stink that the initiative was scrapped.

TennCare was also “reformed” but is still carrying many, many illegal aliens on its rolls, not to mention people who regularly are arrested for fraud, primarily getting narcotics and then selling them. Some of them have already been charged with TennCare fraud and yet they weren’t taken off the rolls, but allowed to keep getting benefits. That whole system is just rank with abuse.

 

The biggest problem with "healthcare" reform is that

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, July 21st at 6:55PM EDT (link)

it’s trying to do the impossible.

Cover 15% more people.

Cost less.

Retain quality at the present or even higer levels.

Pay doctors and hospitals less.

Provide the same quantity and promptness of care as at present.

Provide the same level of insurance and care for the indigent as for those who are actually paying the bills.

Force everybody to carry insurance.

Don’t infringe on personal liberty.

Oh, yes, that last one doesn’t seem to be a consideration.

Several of those “goals” are mutually exclusive in the real world. As long as we are trying to do the impossible, it won’t get done.

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Free market

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, June 16th at 11:45AM EDT (link)

That is the only plan I will support. Oh, and shooting the slip-and-fall lawyers, I see that as perhaps the only possible government intervention I’m good with [aka, tort reform].

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Not a very compelling analogy.

skorrent1 (Diary) Tuesday, July 21st at 10:23AM EDT (link)

First, even though government has a monopoly on the use of force, there are more private security employees than police in this country.

Your argument about fire fighters hinges around “Many people thought this was inhumane and called for a solution to this problem because the poor often could not afford fire insurance and as a result, it was the poor and uninsured who suffered the most from destruction and death by fire.” In other words, government decided that the better off (taxpayers) should pay for fire protection for the poor. In health care terms, can you say Medicaid?

Even with government employment of the fire fighters themselves, fire insurance companies have contributed to fire safety by recommending sprinklers, detectors, firewalls, etc. All of which cost money and are less likely to be found in structures occupied by the poor.

There is little justification for government takeover of the entire medical profession.