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‘Tis the season…

to demonize people of faith…especially Christians. Let’s take a look at some of this week’s hits:

Kathleen Parker – again

Not satisfied with angering Christian conservatives the first time, Kathleen Parker comes back for another helping. She received so much attention for her previous cutesy use of “oogedy-boogedy” that she thought she’d milk it for another column. So, just to make her feel better, I’ll bring it back to life here. Unsurprisingly, her new one is just as incoherent as the other.

Parker seems to have a phobia for God, since she spends so much time criticizing those who believe in Him. She’s even dipping into the Democrat Talking-Point-o-Matic with this blather:

That’s a start, but let’s take it another step. How about social conservatives make their arguments without bringing God into it? By all means, let faith inform one’s values, but let reason inform one’s public arguments.

That was and remains my point. It isn’t so much God causing the GOP problems; it’s his fan club.

Here Ms. Parker now implies that faith is unreasonable. Nice. She might wish to leave the “It’s not Christianity, it’s Christians” argument to the left, lest she be mistaken for one of them (I fear it may be too late for that, however). A little reality check for KP: faith drives values, and values drive public arguments. Which means, of course, that faith drives public arguments by nature. If one’s faith is true faith, it will frame their entire worldview. It is inseparably coupled with all parts of life, including politics. People of (true) faith do not check their beliefs at the door of the church when they leave there on Sunday morning.


She continues:

As long as the religious right is seen as controlling the Republican Party, the GOP will continue to lose some percentage of voters, and that percentage likely will increase over time as younger voters shift away from traditional to more progressive values.

Incorrect perception is unfortunate, but to rephrase what Ms. Parker stated earlier in her diatribe: “Just because you believe something doesn’t make it true.” Perhaps she and the rest who use that lame excuse of the “religious Right” controlling the GOP should read the Pew writeup on media coverage of the 2008 election which shows that social conservative issues were on the far back burner. From Pew:

Culture war issues were not a driving narrative of this election cycle. The extent to which they were present, they emerged late in the campaign and were largely tied to the nomination of Palin. Together, social issues – including abortion, gay marriage and stem cell research — composed 9% of religion-focused campaign news but less than 1% of campaign news overall.

And Parker whines about the Saddleback Forum:

The cause is not helped when someone of the stature of Rick Warren interviews the leading presidential candidates in his church, questioning them about their faith. If that’s not a religious test, I don’t know what is.

Considering that both Obama and McCain had both stated that they were Christians long before the Saddleback Forum, I don’t think anything was being tested there. In case Ms. Parker missed the questions, they can be found here. No “test” in that list. Again – this goes back to values, which Ms. Parker seems to believe are critical when they belong to “progressives,” (a contradiction in terms, I might add) but not to Christians. I repeat: faith drives public arguments by nature. Both men claim to be men of faith. Therefore, if there was a “debate” that was truly revealing of the candidates’ true values, it was the Saddleback Forum. And that was borne out by Obama’s now infamous “above my pay grade” blunder when asked about when life begins. I have frequently referred to Obama as an evil person here on RedState, and that judgement stems almost exclusively from his extreme views on abortion. The Saddleback Forum brought those views to the fore. Unfortunately, the press again gave Obama a pass and the issue was largely buried.

Again, Parker provides a backhanded slap at Christians:

The glue that binds the GOP’s religious right — social issues, especially abortion — is not insignificant and doesn’t deserve to be dismissed. But nor should those issues be tied to scripture. Some religious conservatives understand this, but the memo apparently isn’t reaching all the pews.

She just does not get it. Scripture defines what Christians believe. It is the source of truth. It defines the values of the believer. I can no more separate my values about all aspects of life from the Scriptures than I can change who my parents are.

Parker’s main complaint seems to be that religious people have the audacity to base their values and political beliefs upon their faith. I’m sure we’ll see plenty more from her on this front in the future, but the fact is: it ain’t changing. Christians and many other people of faith base their beliefs and values – ALL beliefs and values – upon an objective source of truth: the Scriptures.

Atheists strike in Olympia, WA

Let’s turn momentarily away from Kathleen Parker’s cluelessness about faith and look at other recent incidents of religion-bashing. As this diary’s title implies, the Christmas season is underway, and with Christmas comes the typical litany of public Nativity controversies. The latest, and most outrageous, example of Christian-bashing in the public square comes in Olympia, Washington. In this case, Washington’s governor has allowed atheists to criticize the nativity scene with a sign that reads “There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.” Does anyone believe for a minute that such a sign would be allowed within a mile of a display celebrating an Muslim holiday? Granted, this atheistic message directly attacks Islam along with Christianity. But make no mistake – this is an attack on Christianity and Christmas. The atheists who posted this sign explain it this way:

“When people ask us, ‘Why are you hateful? Why are you putting up something critical of people’s holidays? — we respond that we kind of feel that the Christian message is the hate message,” he said. “On that Nativity scene, there is this threat of internal violence if we don’t submit to that master. Hate speech goes both ways.”

Not much mistaking their objective, is there?

More from the Hollywood homosexual lobby

And from another side of the anti-Christian hit parade comes the pro-homosexual, Christian-mocking Prop-8 propaganda video starring Jack Black and other Hollyweird types. Again we see that bashing Christians and other people of faith who disagree with homosexual marriage is perfectly permissible. I won’t discuss the Prop 8 topic here, but will point to Erick Erickson’s diary describing the Nazi-esque tactics of the anti-8 crowd who desires to punish anyone who dare disagree with their position.

Speaking of Hollywood and Prop-8 fallout…

Seems the Hollywood elite are not-so-pleased with the black community in California over their overwhelming support for Prop 8. As the NY Times reported yesterday, African-American churches and related have long occupied a cherished spot in the hearts of the left. But post-Prop-8? Not so much.

Apparently, the California elites have discovered the issue: “It’s their churches”

“It’s their churches,” somebody whispered to one of us not long after the election; “It’s their Christianity,” someone else hissed, rolling her eyes. Apparently the religion espoused by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is now the enemy, at least among the smart set, and if this sounds like a regional issue, it’s not.

Perish the thought…churches driving values. Sheesh.

I’m going a bit off-topic here (as I stated I wouldn’t discuss the Prop 8 thingy), but this paragraph says a lot:

To the opponents of Proposition 8, this kind of analogy is a rallying cry; but as white Hollywood has recently discovered, to the blacks who voted for the measure, it’s galling. Comparing the infringement on civil rights that gays are experiencing to that suffered by black Americans is to begin a game of “top my oppression” that you’re not going to win. The struggle for equality – beginning with freedom from human bondage (see: references to the book of Exodus at the Gospel Brunch) – has been so central to African-American identity that many blacks find homosexual claims of a commensurate level of injustice frivolous, and even offensive.

This is a point that bears making repeatedly: those who the civil rights movement benefited the most do not buy the homosexuals’ claim that their “cause” is one of civil rights. Social conservatives who oppose homosexual marriage need to remember this and bring it up when someone tries to make the “civil rights” claim.

But back to the “it’s their churches” topic again – here’s another key point:

Furthermore – and perhaps even more painfully for those of us who support gay marriage and all that it represents – Christian teaching on marriage is not the only reason so many blacks supported Proposition 8. Although it has come as a shocking realization to many in this community, a host of sociological studies confirm that many blacks feel a significant aversion to homosexuality itself, finding it morally and sexually repugnant.

I find it odd that the author states that “Christian teaching on marriage is not the only reason…” Really? So where does she think they got the idea that homosexuality is “morally and sexually repugnant?” That attitude must have come from somewhere. It certainly didn’t come from “reason” (attention Kathleen Parker). I assure you that those values came from faith and Biblical teaching. People don’t just come up with those “aversions” out of thin air.

“Diversity”

In all of these cases, we see objections to how people of faith express what they believe and how they extend their faith into practice. In a world of “diversity,” we would expect more “tolerance.” But in the world of “progressives,” tolerance only applies if we agree with them. The aforementioned NYT article says:

Of the values progressives hold dear, none can be as central or as cherished as the promotion of diversity. It is a word that has become almost a term of art. When a private school champions its embrace of “diversity,” parents understand that the admissions office is not dying to enroll the son of a white evangelical minister or the daughter of a founding partner of a white-shoe law firm. Rather, we know that the school makes an intentional effort to include children of certain minority groups among its student body, and that most important among those groups are African-Americans and the children of gay families.

So true. “Diversity” only goes as far as the support of the “chosen causes” such as homosexuality, etc. Ensuring a balanced mix of religious conservatives is certainly not at the top of the list of the diversity crowd.

Oh, and one last thing: when I read passages of Scripture like this

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God – having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. (2 Tim 3:1-5)

and I see how accurately it depicts the times in which we live, I am reminded of why I “tie issues to scripture”. So Kathleen, that Scripture’s for you. Hope you enjoy it.

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  • RoxannaDanna

    “Meanwhile, it isn’t necessary to evict the Creator from the public square, surrender Judeo-Christian values or diminish the value of faith in America. Belief in something greater than oneself has much to recommend it, including most of the world’s architectural treasures, our universities and even our founding documents.”

    So, in Parker’s opinion, all that Western religion has done is give us pretty buildings and nice words? It is not the basis of our laws? How big of her not to want to “evict” God and at least acknowledge (by stating that it’s not necessary to evict Him) that this is a war she can’t win. No one can dispute that the Bible is the foundation of our laws and the foundation on which our forefathers built this nation. And there’s no amount of words she can type that will change that fact. She can’t win on this.

    She believes that Judeo-Christian beliefs have had no impact on the history of this nation – aside from some great art and the Constitution – and it’s time is over.

    Again, she’s not big enough for the war that she is apparently declaring on people of faith and the God they worship. She, and people like her, will lose.

    This is really the nugget I want to remember: “… faith drives values, and values drive public arguments. Which means, of course, that faith drives public arguments by nature. If one?s faith is true faith, it will frame their entire worldview. It is inseparably coupled with all parts of life, including politics. People of (true) faith do not check their beliefs at the door of the church when they leave there on Sunday morning.”

    I can’t believe she was not astute enough to have seen this gaping hole in her arguement when she started this. Where does she think public/personal opinion come from, if not from a personal faith and a moral basis in SOMEthing?

    This is a great diary!

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  • IL_Glock21

    Though she’s hardly the only conservative out there that worries about the influence of the SoCons on the party and may even consider some of their positions contradictory to the concept of limited government, her predictions that the party is somehow ready or able to dump them altogether is premature at best, absolutely misguided at worst.

    She seems to characterize the whole lot as Huckabee clones, and seems to lump Palin in as one of the worst offenders based on left-wing propaganda hit pieces that exaggerated her statements and record, which in reality were fairly tame.

    Her last piece I felt was coherent, but like this one, unnecessarily vindictive towards a major part of the party she obvious despises. More importantly though, her conclusions were absolutely wrong. The GOP wins Presidential elections when social values are higher on the radar among the electorate. She seems to want to negate the previous elections where the GOP won when those issues were front and center with an election where they were not, and then use that as proof that those issues are somehow irrelevant now.

    Further, the post election gallup polling showed strong support for social value/religious candidates… Palin topping the list, with Romney (though I dispute his deathbed conversion on this and a host of issues, though others were more forgiving), and Huckabee came in behind her.

    So where’s this retreat from social conservatism? What evidence beyond her own bias does she provide? Zilch, nada, zippo.

    I can relate to some of her views. My political views are fairly extreme on limited government and enhancing liberty, which on top of my atheism puts me at strong odds with much of the social conservative movement, just as my views on foreign policy and federalism put me at strong odds with the left.

    But for someone like Parker to demand reason be used as she’s ignoring political realities is just absurd. The Republican Party is a coalition of people with many disagreements, but more agreements that hold them together to win elections and have more influence than if they split into competing factions and lost every election to a left wing coalition. Parker’s spite towards SoCons is self-defeating. She’s literally trying to saw off the third leg of the stool and assuming the other two can perform the balancing act.

    For someone demanding reason, she seems to be burying her head in the sand pretty deep to avoid facts.

  • Mark Malcolm

    on the part of the author. She obviously does not understand what it means to have conviction about something, as BS points out. I do not check my beliefs at the door of the church as I leave or enter. They are a daily part of me. I carry them with me in my heart. If I could open my head and my heart and insert the Bible with perfect understanding, I would. Then I’d live like that. Unfortunately, I am a flawed human being who makes mistakes. As such, I, unlike apparently every liberal I’ve ever discussed or seen the topic of religion discussed with, I make mistakes.

    Mr. Obama, I am praying for you as my faith instructs me to do. I am praying for you to be wise, to make good decisions, and most importantly, to listen to God when he tries to speak to your heart.

  • Caleb (absentee)

    fixed

  • jazzycmk

    …..I’m not getting as hot and bothered by it as some. Seeing that sign doesn’t affect my beliefs. I just see it as a political stunt to get attention (and we’ve given it to them). Now make no mistake, I do think the athiests in this case are being mean-spirited and petty.

    I’m not a lawyer, and what legal analysis I’ve heard is that the athiest group is on pretty firm ground. The Washington State governor supposedly is allowed to exercise some discretion in allowing public displays but likely took the high road here.

    My beef is this, I’m all for multi-culturalism. If you’re going to put up a Nativity scene, I’ve got no problem putting up symbols for Hanukkah, Kwanzai, or whatever (after all, if one of the tenets of Christianity is tolerance, than Christians should be accepting of the beliefs of other faiths). In this case, however, the athiests are not touting the benefits or what they consider positive aspects of atheism. They’re simply insulting anyone who, in their opinion, is stupid enough to believe in a higher being. They’re simply looking to be inflammatory. On those grounds, I think the governor would have been well within her “discretionary” parameters to reject the display, saying that it did nothing constructive.

    Fox News had a very good, brief debate this morning between a member of the Christian anti-defamation league and a member of this athiest group. The Christian raised the very good point that one has to ask, if athiests don’t hold religious beliefs, meaning the season of Christmas doesn’t mean anything to them, than why put up this sign now? Couldn’t they do it at any time in the year? Or did they do it now just to spite those with religious beliefs? The athiest gave some fairly weak response that the athiests were indeed celebrating winter solstice, and it was the Christians that had hijacked that celebration with Christmas. He even added that the Nativity scene itself was insulting as it insinuates that people must accept a savior.

    Ahh… peace on earth and goodwill to men.

  • Menlo

    (Sorry, I can’t figure out the quote code)

    Kathleen Parker states:

    “The glue that binds the GOP?s religious right ? social issues, especially abortion ? is not insignificant and doesn?t deserve to be dismissed. But nor should those issues be tied to scripture. Some religious conservatives understand this, but the memo apparently isn?t reaching all the pews.”

    The response is:

    “She just does not get it. Scripture defines what Christians believe. It is the source of truth. It defines the values of the believer. I can no more separate my values about all aspects of life from the Scriptures than I can change who my parents are.”

    That’s beside the point. No one has used religious arguments to defend life. It’s not a matter of faith. Regardless of religion, EVERYONE opposes murder. Some people just don’t value all life, can’t understand what abortion is, or deny blatantly observable life exists. Of course people should not be using faith to justify protecting life by LAW. It’s silly because it’s so obvious based on observation and objective fact to anyone who looks. It should be as instinctive as not murdering a born infant. This is NOT a religious matter, and is NOT faith based. Otherwise, one would have to be an idiot to care if it were law!

    Look at Elizabeth Cady Stanton, a Bible-hating atheist who was vehemently pro-life.

    Ramesh Ponnuru made this point in a response he wrote to this column stating the exact same thing. See http://www.lifenews.com/nat4631.html for a synoposis of his response.

  • Mark Malcolm

    the Bible is the moral guide to WHY murder is not acceptable, why many things in the Christian cannon are not acceptable. Not everyone opposes murder. The jails have plenty of people who thought it was a good resolution to their problem(s).

    But I digress. The point of the entire post is about Christmas and how some use this time of year to try and demonize or otherwise cast Christians in a bad light specifically when giving, Christian or otherwise, is highest. This time of year is about loving all mankind, helping your neighbor, peace and goodwill toward men. Some intolerant people use their own glass houses to try and cast Christians in the mold they least resemble just because we happen to have a moral compass and aren’t afraid to put it on display.

    That’s my opinion, we welcome yours
    Snake Davis

  • Menlo

    Atheists and people of no faith are just as much against murder of the born. There is a common perception that there is some religious or faith-based component to singling out the unborn. Kathleen Parker was describing some bizarre religious notion of “ensoulment” that would obviously have NO legitimate place whatsoever in the legal protection of life. That’s like arguing to legally protect a ghost.

    We need to grow the percentage of atheists and agnostics and avid secularists who are pro-life. It’s not something only preachers and religious spokespersons should be arguing strongly for. It does not and should not require a Biblical or faith-based foundation. It merely requires awareness of the biological facts and agreement on the equality of all human beings. Nothing more.

    Pro-life people are going to have to stop using the message as a vehicle for spreading the gospel. The message MUST reasonably appeal to people who want nothing to do with God. And there MUST be a basis for making it the law for nonbelievers too.

    I will add that the Bible does not tell us how to make law. It provides teachings for fellow believers. It is stupid and counter to the Bible to seek to apply those teachings to nonbelievers too. Laws are there so that we can worship freely and keep a society where everyone’s rights are protected. Abortion should be prohibited BY LAW not because it is against God’s will but because the unborn are distinct whole living humans as defined by biology and objective observation. To protect everyone, they must be protected. Otherwise, it is only to be enforced among church members. By your standards, you may as well be making laws that people go to church.

    There was not technically a valid Biblical argument against abortion for some time. It required biology to tell us in the 1800′s when a distinct whole human life began. This IS as progressive and non-faith-based a cause as opposition to slavery was in the 1800′s. You’ll note abortion was never prohibited in the first place on grounds of faith or religion. Nor was it done to restrict women or for “safety” reasons. It was done to maintain the integrity of the medical profession in light of the then recent scientific discovery of when life began.

  • tcgeol

    in most places long before the 1800s. That was part of the Hippocratic oath and I doubt that he had much biological evidence showing when life began.

    I don’t personally care much why abortion is banned, as long as it is banned. The result is my concern.

  • Menlo

    The laws before then applied only after “quickening,” and I’m not sure even that was the case before the early 1800′s. Not knowing when life began, they relied on movement. It was later prohibited throughout pregnancy when the discovery was made. As a result, the newly-established medical profession lobbied legislatures citing the biological evidence.

    It was really a moot point that long ago because there weren’t any means to do abortion without virtually attempting suicide. There was also less desire for abortion without as much promiscuity or desire to limit family size. Children then were generally seen as income producers rather than income consumers.

    The Hippocratic Oath also proscribed surgery in general, yet it was never banned. Needless to say, the oath is no longer used in the medical profession.

    The reason matters only to the extent that the law itself is enforced and maintained consistent with all other existing rights. Mainly, you don’t want it to violate the Supreme Court’s Lemon test for establishment clause violations.