According to this morning’s news, banks are refusing to reveal what’s being done with the money that was provided under the $350B (so far) TARP bailout money.
“We’ve lent some of it. We’ve not lent some of it. We’ve not given any accounting of, ‘Here’s how we’re doing it,’” said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. “We have not disclosed that to the public. We’re declining to.”
“We’re declining to” Well, there’s a fine “how do you do”. The taxpayer bails these folks out, but they apparently don’t see fit to reveal where OUR money is being spent. The hubris of these corporations is astonishing.
Apparently, the strategy behind TARP is/was “pay and pray”
The answers highlight the secrecy surrounding the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which earmarked $700 billion - about the size of the Netherlands’ economy - to help rescue the financial industry. The Treasury Department has been using the money to buy stock in U.S. banks, hoping that the sudden inflow of cash will get banks to start lending money.
It continues:
Nearly every bank AP questioned - including Citibank and Bank of America, two of the largest recipients of bailout money - responded with generic public relations statements explaining that the money was being used to strengthen balance sheets and continue making loans to ease the credit crisis.
Upset yet? I am.
Warren, the congressional watchdog appointed by Democrats, said her oversight panel will try to force the banks to say where they’ve spent the money.
“It would take a lot of nerve not to give answers,” she said.
Apparently these institutions HAVE a lot of nerve. About $350B worth.
This morning’s diary from Francis regarding the GM bailout should have been enough to raise the ire of any taxpayer who doesn’t want to see their tax money spent without representation (tea party, anyone?). After all, the Big 3 bailout was NOT passed by Congress, yet our lame-duck President has decided that he knows best and has pushed it through nonetheless. Now the financial institutions who have received funds under the original program refuse to be accountable as well. In this morning’s thread, Francis mentions there are a lot of ordinary people out there who are mad as hell about this bailout.. There should be. And they should be howling about it.
I’m not one for putting letter-writing campaigns on the front page, so I will simply say: if you, like me, are upset about this lack of accountability on how your money is being spent, please contact your congressperson and let them know. As Francis said: “that’s what this website is all about.” Look ‘em up on house.gov and call, write, or whatever. Tell them what you think.

I'm not upset by the banks keeping mum.
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 1:50PM EST (link)Where in the legislation did these private lending/banking/financial-whatever institutions become government agencies subject to GAO scrutiny, Freedom of Information Act requirements, or sunshine laws?
The government decided — rightly or wrongly — to give public money to private institutions. That does not alter their essential status as private institutions. What they do with money in their possession (which the TARP money is, once it’s been transferred to them) is not something they are required to disclose. Nor should it be, IMO, no matter where that money came from — private investors or the public teat.
The biggest problem with bailouts of any size and sort is precisely that they embolden companies to be profligate because they no longer fear failing — Daddy Warbucks won’t let them fail: he’ll buy them a new car when they wreck the latest one.
I’m upset the bailouts were done in the first place, and I’m bemused (in a sad, Cassandra sort of way) at the people who now think all the rules ought to change, and it’s bad when they don’t, in this brave new world where corporations are wards of the state.
THE FREE MARKET WORKS, PEOPLE. LET IT.
All these armchair quarterbacks — from the left AND the right — will crush business under the weight of their collective regulatory zeal if we all of a sudden force businesses to be perfectly and completely transparent according to our own private definition of those terms.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”The market works if you are willing to accept the consequences
shooflyguy68 Monday, December 22nd at 2:18PM EST (link)If we were to let the free market work, dozens of banks would fail, the credit markets would seize up completely, the unemployment rate would skyrocket and we would have an economic catastrophe that would rival the Great Depression. Eventually (1 year?, 10 years?), the economy would start growing again and all would be well. The question is whether you would want to live through the bad times.
The president and Congress were right in thinking that we needed some good, old-fashioned, Keynsian stimulus to get us out of this mess relatively quickly. In my opinion, how we spend the money is critical and more important than just spending the money itself. Giving it to banks with no strings attached in the hopes that they would use it for lending seems to have been a huge mistake. In my opinion, we need tax cuts, preferably payroll taxes and corporate tax cuts, we need direct payments to the states so they can pay unemployment benefits and other essential services without raising taxes, and we need a massive expenditure on infrastructure like roads, bridges, schools, etc. However, with the national debt already at $10 Trillion and the annual deficit approaching $1 Trillion, who knows if we will be able to borrow the money to deficit spend our way out of this. In the end, you may have your wish and the free market will inflict the pain that we so richly deserve.
Mixed Bag here.
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 4:18PM EST (link)I wholly agree with some of what you said, but think other of it dubious…
First off, yes, I’m willing to accept the consequences. I fully expect bad times; part of my Cassandra-like bemusement is watching the present flailing that I really believe is only delaying an inevitable melt-down.
Second, I have absolutely no confidence that the trolls in the important positions in the federal government will get it right. The incoming Administration and the Democrats in power on Capitol Hill are smart in all the wrong ways, have dangerous ideas on economics, and are beholden to far too many special interests who desire policies antithetical to sound economic policy — the Freddie/Fannie connections to Dodd, Frank, Obama, et al. should be ample evidence for that. There is no reason at. all. to hope they will intentionally get it right.
Third, with that in mind, I trust the managers of private companies FAR MORE than those trolls. Yes, many of them needed a bail-out to avoid financial Armageddon. I’m not tickled pink that they got the bail-out, but I accept that the guvmint had to do something to clean up the massive mess they instigated in the free market. But I firmly believe they should do the least amount possible… giving un-earmarked, no-strings-attached money sounds about right. I just hope (and here’s where Adam Smith’s ‘invisible hand’ comes in) that those corporate managers don’t just decide to treat the guvmint as Uncle Sugar and expect to get more money when they burn recklessly through the last allowance check.
Fourth, I very much dispute the need for “good, old-fashioned Keynsian stimulus.” (Not least because that phrase implies two things that are not so — Keynsian policies are neither “good,” nor “stimulus.”) Public works projects should continue as needed, of course, but additional public works projects have the same effect as any other government spending program — they take money out of the free market system (the very system you’re trying to help) via taxes, and put the money in the hands of guvmint troll bureaucrats who, quite usually, are incapable of doing things efficiently, and have loads more red tape. Extra guvmint programs don’t stimulate the economy, they just contribute to guvmint growth and ever more guvmint growth.
Fifth, I completely, totally, wholly, excitedly agree that tax cuts are the way to go… but they are not any part of a Keynsian “stimulus” package. But yes, cut the tax rates for those who actually produce revenue and employ people — real people in real jobs doing real things, not artificial guvmint jobs created just to reduce the unemployment rate. Also, cut tax rates on those who actually work and earn a living and are trying to make their way (this, of course, completely excludes those who don’t pay any taxes anyhow — contrary to Obama’s campaign rhetoric, ya can’t cut what ain’t there)
Sixth, We can deficit spend our way out of this if and only if the size of the federal guvmint isn’t massively expanded… But, returning to one of my earlier points, I have no confidence, whatsoever, that such will be the case, so I have no confidence that things will get better any time soon and I’d rather go through the pain of the re-emergence of free markets than endure the long suffering of a socialist state. One is natural and comes from that spark of human desire; the other is imposed and smothers the flame of ingenuity.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”As a private citizen I refuse to tell the USG how much money I have.
johnCV Monday, December 22nd at 2:22PM EST (link)Of course it does.
Define the difference between a GSE and what AIG is now. Both have made bad business decisions, forced onto them by politically correct pressure and laws.
Both have lost massive amounts of money.
Both have been poorly run.
Both have recieved public money to solidify thier balance sheets, both are carrying on with the same business practices that put them in this position.
Both have and will go back to Uncle Sugar for more money (too big to fail etc.)
Please. We do not have a free market. ANY company that takes public money to avoid the consequences of a Free Market punishment is now in effect owned by it’s recuer i.e. the US Taxpayer. And I want to know where my frickin’ money is. If you don’t want to tell me - fine. Give it back.
Whether you agree with the bailut or not, the consequences are a de facto nationalization of our financial system (complete with the forced acceptance of ‘bailout’ funds vis Wells Fargo). These are now gov’t companies.
Good thing we elected a republican 8 years ago…
Wrong. They're not gov't companies.
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 3:47PM EST (link)The difference between AIG of today and a GSE? Well, at root, one is still private and the other is owned and operated by the government. Seems simple to me. The bailout did not organizationally change that. Your sense of entitlement does not change that. If you don’t like that the folks in Congress gave your money to some unaccountable private companies, throw the bums out; don’t kill free markets. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water/kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
As I said before, nothing in the legislation and subsequent transaction subsumed those companies into the government and reconstituted them as GSEs. Nothing required openness or transparency. They were given cash, not strings. I think it was the wrong thing to do — just as I think the governmental activity (or lack thereof) which contributed to the collapse was the wrong thing to do. Part of the reason it was the wrong thing to do, as I also said before, is PRECISELY THAT IT EMBOLDENS THEM TO KEEP GOING BACK TO UNCLE SUGAR because they have learned (as spoiled children) that Uncle Sugar will just give them more money.
But let’s think about your preferred scenario: So AIG/Citigroup/whomever goes all transparent and is found to be mis-using funds. What’s the repercussion? They have to give the money back… and then they fail…. annnnnnnd we’re back to square one. But we could have been at square one months ago and already at square two–the beginning of recovery.
Instead, because of the bail-out, we’re still flailing about trying to avoid square one and going down some dangerous roads. If the free market is to be restored, the first step is letting private companies be private.
I’ve been reading Blackhedd/Francis’ columns and I understand and accept that something had to be done to free up the credit market lest we incur financial Armageddon. But how did we get to that point? Why did that happen? The free market was seriously compromised (as you acknowledged) by governmental and corporate trolls who played the system. So it wasn’t the free market that failed, it was people — especially in government and in government-owned companies. The response is not to give those trolls more power and influence over private companies, but to take away the methods by which those trolls screwed the system up and caused the melt-down.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”Actually, they are gov't when they need money, and private when they don't
JustLeaveMeAlone Monday, December 22nd at 6:57PM EST (link)It’s called “having it both ways”. Big Evil Bankers (TM) learn this before they learn to count.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Point of definition
JustLeaveMeAlone Monday, December 22nd at 7:12PM EST (link)We may be talking apples and oranges.
Private companies are owned by private individuals, partnerships, or even groups of people. But they have (relatively) few owners and don’t have to show their financials to anyone except the IRS and their owners.
Public companies are owned by shareholders. They are required by the SEC to file annual and quarterly financial disclosures, known respectively as 10-Ks and 10-Qs, that are available to anyone who wants to see them. They must further send this information to all shareholders.
Thus, JP Morgan Chase, et al, are not “private” companies. They are public companies, with stock that trades on the NYSE. They are owned by their shareholders.
But with any company, there is a simple accounting equation. Assets minus liabilities equals equity. Equity is what the shareholders own.
In the event of liquidation, taxes are paid first; then liabilities (i.e., the light bill, loans, bonds, and the like); then whatever is left is divied up among the shareholders, assuming anything is left. That holds true if you are public or private.
As a private individual, I don’t have to disclose where my money goes to anyone. Except when I do
First to demand access is, of course, the IRS. Then, should I try to borrow money, potential creditors are going to want to see financial information on me, too. I can hide all of it, although not easily if legally, by staying in cash.
The same is true with companies, public and private. Creditors can and do demand to see financial data as a condition of lending. The key here may be what the Government forced the banks to agree to before passing out bags of cash. Hopefully, some bright young lawyers at Treasury burned some midnight oil coming up with tight loan agreements.
But I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Thanks
Crowe Tuesday, December 23rd at 2:14PM EST (link)Yes, I used the word “private” to mean “not like Amtrak, Fannie/Freddie, etc.” In my usage, even publicly held companies were lumped under “private.” Apologies for being unclear.
Sure, creditors have a right to information. I wonder how much information the government has asked for thus far, and how much of the “we refuse to disclose” was directed at media outlets who consider themselves the fourth branch of the government. As a creditor the Treasury Dept. would have a legitimate cause for getting access to more in-depth data. I’m opposed to the information being demanded and scrutinized by the trolls on Capitol Hill purely for power and ideological purposes, and then crippling the companies’ ability to function as a “private” (in my broader meaning) enterprise.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”This just proves that if you're going to go socialist...
shooflyguy68 Monday, December 22nd at 1:57PM EST (link)you better do it the right way. If we are going to have the government spend tax-payer money to ease the credit crunch, the only sensible solution was do what Sheila Blair, the administrator of the FDIC, proposed back in November and spent the money to prevent foreclosures . Alternately, they should have nationalized the banks like Sweden did in the 90’s. Instead, they went half way and merely gave the banks free money in the hope that they would use the capital for loans.
I think now, we can kiss this $350B goodbye and hold on as the Obama administration and the next Congress spends another $1 Trillion dollars in an attempt to get us out of this mess.
Heh.
johnCV Monday, December 22nd at 2:07PM EST (link)Loan a man a ten thousand dollars and you own him. Loan a man a million and he owns you. (update amounts to todays inflated amounts).
The real trgaedy here is that most people actually think that OUR money will ever be repaid. Bush started this fiasco and now the democrats will continue (and vastly increase the public ownership of every aspect of private society) to pee down this rathole until:
1. We run out of pee (Nope. They own the pee factory)
2. The public demands accountabliity (Nope. “save us! save us! bleat the sheep”)
3. The rats drown. (Yup. Rats will feast till they pop.)
The ramifications of this process has not congealed in the public conciousness yet. As a friends recently said, in all serioussness, said surely someone in the gov’t can fix this - they have people who understand what’s going on.
This will not end well.
Doesn't bother me
Neil Stevens Monday, December 22nd at 2:21PM EST (link)I don’t want businesses accountable to the state and to public whims like that.
So no, I’m not upset. I’m still upset about CRA, Fannie, and Freddie.
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There Is No Crisis
They're public businesses now.
NightTwister Monday, December 22nd at 2:45PM EST (link)As a shareholder, I want to know how the business is operating.
Get Connected in Colorado.
Disagree
Neil Stevens Monday, December 22nd at 3:10PM EST (link)They’re private businesses that received free money from the government.
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My level of concern is inversely proportional
E Pluribus Unum Monday, December 22nd at 3:19PM EST (link)to my level of trust in who’s in charge of the money.
I don’t know where that leaves me, frankly. But not exactly in Happy Bunny territory.
Carthago delenda est
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Well from where I sit...
Neil Stevens Monday, December 22nd at 3:44PM EST (link)The financial world people were stupid lately.
The government now is going to be full of malicious people.
I still trust the financial people more than I’ll trust Harry, Nancy, or Barry.
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Thank you, Neil.
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 4:29PM EST (link)Exactly so.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”Personally, I don't trust any of them. -nt-
NightTwister Monday, December 22nd at 4:53PM EST (link)Get Connected in Colorado.
Yeah, but we have to pick one
Neil Stevens Monday, December 22nd at 5:00PM EST (link)And I’m not in favor of picking Dirty Nancy.
Not unless we give JP Morgan a safeword anyway.
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It's not their money, it's my money
bs Monday, December 22nd at 4:04PM EST (link)And I want to know where it’s going.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Not anymore, it's not.
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 4:32PM EST (link)As the man in black said,
“Get used to disappointment.”
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”Doesn't keep me from raising hell about it
bs Monday, December 22nd at 4:49PM EST (link)And that, I will.
Furthermore, if you read the referenced article, it is (thankfully) obvious that further accountability should be forthcoming.
So they can stick their reticence where the sun don’t shine, because they’re on the government dole now, and they can follow the rules that come with it.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Have fun stormin' the castle...
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 5:56PM EST (link)You think it’ll work?
It’ll take a miracle….
(Sorry. Emboldened by my previous Princess Bride quote, I couldn’t resist another that seemed apropos.)
In seriousness, while they said they’re going to try to force transparency, two things:
All that said, If the next wad of cash comes with strings, so be it. I’m opposed to the next wad of cash being handed out at all, and doubly so with strings attached — I trust the trolls in Washington far less than managers of corporate America to use the money wisely.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”HTML help, someone?...
Crowe Monday, December 22nd at 5:58PM EST (link)as I cannot edit my own comments and there is no preview function, I missed and am unable to fix my mis-closed tag in the ordered list…
a thousand apologies.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”5-star movie quote
E Pluribus Unum Monday, December 22nd at 4:52PM EST (link)“Who are you?”
“No one of consequence.”
“I must.”
“Get used to disappointment.”
Carthago delenda est
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