One of the hot buttons of the Bush presidency and the 2008 presidential campaign was illegal immigration and how to slow or stop it. Bush’s plan was decried as amnesty, and many conservatives have excoriated McCain over his softness on illegal immigration.
Some interesting developments have occurred in this area over the last several months:
- “Self-deportations” have begun to take place as individual states have cracked down on illegals and forced them either to other states or to return home to Mexico and/or other countries. Arizona and Oklahoma have been particularly effective in driving out illegals via new, tough laws - but many of those illegals are simply moving to greener US pastures, such as Texas. This appears to lend credence to the theory that self-deportation, or “attrition through enforcement” could have a significant impact in forcing many illegals out by means other than overt deportation.
- The “border fence” IS being built. A map on the Customers & Border Protection web site shows the progress on the fence/wall, which is in various stages of construction all the way from San Diego to El Paso. As Mark Krikorian points out at The Corner, this isn’t just the “virtual fence,” but is the real deal.
- The economy seems to be having a substantial impact on the ability of illegals to find work in the US. In fact, as one would hope, US citizens are now “intruding” on a job market that was previously almost solely populated by illegal immigrants. The WSJ reports this week that U.S. workers are “crowding out” immigrant labor.
For the first time in a decade, unskilled immigrants are competing with Americans for work. And evidence is emerging that tens of thousands of Hispanic immigrants are withdrawing from the labor market as U.S. workers crowd them out of potential jobs. At least some of the foreigners are returning home.
“We see competition from more nonimmigrant workers,” says Abel Valenzuela, a professor at the University of California at Los Angeles who studies day laborers. “Employers are also paying less than in previous years,” he says.
In the third quarter of 2008, 71.3% of Latino immigrant workers were either employed or actively seeking work, compared with 72.4% in the same quarter a year earlier, according to a new study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization. The 1.1-percentage-point drop “marks a substantial decrease in the labor-market participation of Latino immigrants,” says Rakesh Kochhar, the Pew economist who prepared the report.
It appears that U.S. citizens are even moving into the agricultural job market, where immigrants once were dominant. The result of all this is that the immigrant unemployment rate is rising rapidly, and it’s having an impact on the number of illegals in the U.S.
The unemployment rate for immigrant Latinos was 6.4% in the third quarter of 2008, compared with 4.5% during last year’s third quarter. However, the rise in unemployment for this group would have been even greater “if not for the fact that many of these workers withdrew from the labor market,” says the Pew report.
If they hadn’t exited the U.S. labor market, the Pew study estimates, their unemployment rate for the third quarter would have been 7.8%, 3.3 percentage points higher than the same quarter last year.
Among Hispanic immigrants who entered the U.S. between 1990 and 1999, the survey found that 217,000 quit the labor force between the third quarter of 2007 and the third quarter of 2008. Since population falls as a result of individual death or emigration from the U.S., “these trends suggest that at least some foreign-born Latinos are not only leaving the labor force but, perhaps, also returning to their countries of origin,” the report said.
The net seems to be that a combination of “enforcement through attrition” and the economic downturn has resulted in a significant decline in illegals within the U.S. borders. From the Center for Immigration Studies:
Now there is research showing that attrition through enforcement works. A new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (which I head) used Census Bureau surveys to estimate that the illegal-immigrant population has fallen from a peak of 12.5 million in August of last year down to 11.2 million this past May, a drop of 1.3 million or 11 percent. This decline is at least seven times larger than the number people removed from the country by the immigration authorities during that period, meaning that most of the drop was due to illegal immigrants deporting themselves. If that rate of decrease were to continue, the illegal population would be cut in half in five years.
The WSJ article and other sources make a strong case for the effect of the economic downturn on the departure of illegals from the country, and in fact it has probably had a fairly substantial impact. Is that the chief cause of the improvement, or is it “enforcement?”
…Though the slowdown in construction and other industries no doubt contributed to the decline, there are several reasons to think that enforcement was a major factor in the decision of illegal immigrants to leave. First of all, the decline in the number of illegal immigrants started before their unemployment rate increased; in the past, much smaller dips had been seen in the illegal population, but only after their unemployment rate increased — which stands to reason, of course. What’s more, only the illegal population declined; the number of legal immigrants continued to grow.
The continued “self-deportation” trend would seem to put to bed the meme “we can’t just deport all 12M of them” that emerged during the debate of the Bush/Kennedy immigration “reform” package. However, it remains to be seen if this trend will continue and/or if the border fence has an impact in the long run. Another wild card is the Obama administration and what it will do to either continue the ICE’s policy of more stringent enforcement or to back off on the current strategy. Based upon Obama’s campaign trail statements, I don’t have much confidence that enforcement will be at the top of their list.

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bc3 Tuesday, December 23rd at 6:08PM EST (link)People like John McCain and his sock puppet Lindsay Graham concern me a lot more than Obama on immigration.
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Good article but…
General_Confusion Tuesday, December 23rd at 6:21PM EST (link)This is temporary, Obama will announce “not” amnesty (code for absolutely amnesty) and will team with the RINO’s to recreate the Gang of (fill in number here)*. This will cause the number of illegal’s crossing the border to spike with their “proof” that they have been here (fill in blank) years required by the new amnesty bill. Obama will not pass up the opportunity to flood the country with millions of new Democrats. These illegal’s are from socialist countries and will make natural Democrats.
* Not that he will need the RINO’s but he will get them none the less as they rush across the aisle in bipartisanship to scuttle the future of their own party.
However, the sucking economy
E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, December 23rd at 6:31PM EST (link)will work in our favor somewhat.
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A very good point but...
General_Confusion Tuesday, December 23rd at 6:42PM EST (link)All the great socialist freebees given to the new citizens will be very tempting (free heath care, welfare, education, food stamps, etc.) if they don’t find a job when they arrive. At the very least I would expect a good portion of relatives of the 11.2 million already here to join them. If where to take a wild guess could be talking somewhere around 20 million.
hard to know what the net effect will be
E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, December 23rd at 7:08PM EST (link)Incentives to leave, incentives to stay. Then there is that whole physical fence going on.
So I await, however I feel somewhat more positive about the situation than I did, say, 3 years ago. Not alot more, but some.
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Agreed re temp situation - expect "self-importation" later
bk Tuesday, December 23rd at 7:10PM EST (link)As soon as it’s more profitable to be here than there, the floodgates will open again.
And the fence won’t matter if Obama leaves the gate open with a “Bienvenidos a EU” sign on it.
But don't they give more in Mexico?
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As has been stated before
candoo2 (dkos funluvn1) Tuesday, December 23rd at 6:45PM EST (link)It’s the economy, stupid!
If it is not advantageous to spend the money to come to the USA in order to be out of work AND illegal, those people will be staying home for now.
In the meantime, the work goes forward on the fences and more Border Agents are being recruited as I type.
With this economy, American workers will be more motivated to branch out to jobs that may be somewhat below their previous positions. What matters to us is to make a living for our families, therefore we are going to do what it takes in trying times. Just like our parents and grandparents did before us.
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candoo2...It is not just the economy, stupid....
Attack Mode Tuesday, December 23rd at 7:11PM EST (link)In fact one could even posit that the mass self deportation could be a catalyst for the economy tanking rather than the economy tanking being the catalyst for the mass self deportation.
Many of the foreclosures in the housing bubble burst are in Arizona and Florida, many illegals packed up and went south leaving their ninja loans to fall into foreclosure when the businesses they were illegally working for started getting raided.
Some might say that driving out the illegals cost Bush his economic legacy, even if that is true I would still say good riddance, I would rather take the economic hit and keep what sovereignty we have left than to have the DOW at 14000.
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That's an interesting point
bs Tuesday, December 23rd at 7:18PM EST (link)And since I’m a firm believer in the omnipresence of the Law of Unintended Consequences, I will have to ponder that.
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The mistake was giving them the loan
jackbenimble Tuesday, December 23rd at 8:57PM EST (link)Possibly true.
I believe it was early in the Bush Administration that the Treasury Department over-rode the objections of the FBI and allowed banks to start accepting Matricula Consular Cards and Taxpayer IDs for the purposes of banking. The consequences of extending long-term mortgages to people unlawfully present and with no deep roots or right to stay should have been easily anticipated.
Another way to look at this was that the housing market was extremely overbuilt (excess supply) in these markets where there was a ready supply of cheap illegal labor. This over-supply bubble would have burst whether the illegals stayed or left.
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jackbenimble...I wasn't really making the case either way....
Attack Mode Tuesday, December 23rd at 9:07PM EST (link)I was merely refuting the idea that self deportation was solely because of “the economy, stupid”…I think that is a rather elementary argument.
I think that the economic collapse and the illegal immigrants all factor into each other in a beautifully constructed tapestry woven by the democrats over the period of the last 20-30 years.
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Aaron, got any stats on "loans to illegals"?
mbecker908 Tuesday, December 23rd at 11:52PM EST (link)I’m a mortgage banker in Arizona and, while some illegals have managed to get mortgages the numbers that I’ve seen are teensy and foreclosures to illegals are, at least in my experience, not a factor in anything.
I bow to your first hand experience
jackbenimble Wednesday, December 24th at 9:17AM EST (link)But, I wonder if the numbers you are looking at are meaningful? I mean illegal aliens don’t exactly announce that they are illegal when they take out a mortgage. There are a lot of ways that the system was scammed. For example one I read about recently was that illegals took out the mortgages in the names of their minor anchor baby child who has a valid social security numbers and citizenship. These mortgages would not show up in your statistics but were nonetheless reliant on the adult illegal for repayment. And then of course a lot of the sub-prime loans were just “liars loans” where no verification of income, status or documents was required. I wonder if the bank even knew the real name of the borrower, let alone their immigration status.
There is no doubt that the areas hardest hit by the subprime crisis also happened to be the areas with the greatest influx of hispanic illegals. And there is no doubt that a larger then their share of the population percentage of subprime mortgages were given to Hispanics. And there is no doubt that a large percentage of the total hispanic population is illegal. From those facts one can infer (but not really know for sure) that illegal aliens were getting mortgages.
Michelle Malkin has been reporting on this for some years. Here is article where she weaves all this together into a believeable story but it is short on actual statistics and facts.
Illegal Immigration and the Mortgage Mess
I know for many years now I have been reading media puff pieces about illegals who were buying homes and putting down roots and living the American Dream and this was one of the reasons why we supposedly had to give them amnesty and could not deport them.
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mbecker...to answer your question....
Attack Mode Wednesday, December 24th at 9:36AM EST (link)no I don’t…and I wasn’t really trying to make the case for it anyhow.
Like I said above, I was merely refuting the idea that self deportation is occurring solely because of the economy. That argument is made so as to totally discount the efforts that have occurred since the CIR debate. I am not just going to sit by and allow someone to discount all the hard work being done by ICE and the Border Patrol to get illegal immigration under control. Granted I don’t think enough has been done yet, but alot has been done none the less.
Anyhow, I would be interested in seeing the correlation in the areas hardest hit by the foreclosures to the dwindling illegal immigrant population. I know that correlation does not equal causation, but it does provide some data that can refute the idea that illegals are merely going south due to hard economic times.
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And Frankly Aaron the reason I asked about stats
mbecker908 Wednesday, December 24th at 9:42AM EST (link)is that I haven’t seen any. I haven’t looked either.
One point of argument might be to look at the numbers of illegals today v. 12 or 18 months ago on a state by state basis. I think - this is just opinion not fact - that you’ll find for Arizona that our numbers are down while neighboring states who aren’t enforcing as we are would be stable or up.
I agree Mbecker...
Attack Mode Wednesday, December 24th at 9:53AM EST (link)And I haven’t seen or looked either and frankly am not sure where to begin to look.
I think though that some of the neighboring states have been doing more enforcement…I think I remember seeing some reports about businesses in SoCal being raided just recently.
Anyhow like I said earlier…the economy is not the sole catalyst…this whole thing is a tapestry.
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In support of that line of reasoning
jackbenimble Wednesday, December 24th at 1:00PM EST (link)Illegal alien numbers started to fall quite rapidly BEFORE the economy really hit the skids. That suggests that they left due to enforcement measures rather than just because the jobs dried up.
Here was the first study that noted immigration numbers were falling. It was first met with incredulity and derision but it has since been confirmed by a number of other studies including some from the other side of the debate like PEW Hispanic.
Illegal Immigrant Population Dropping: New Report Finds Significant Decline Since Last Summer
Additionally, there is tons of evidence that communities that get tough about enforcement experience declining numbers of illegals. This has been repeated over and over in every state or community that gets tough including Arizona, Oklahoma, Colorado, Prince Williams VA and others.
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Nope candoo, it's NOT the economy.
mbecker908 Wednesday, December 24th at 12:00AM EST (link)And for a very fundamental reason. No matter how bad the US economy might be it will be a bazillion times worse in Mexico. The only real economic difference is that they might have to work for a tad less money here.
The reason there are fewer illegals working is because more US citizens are willing to take those jobs at a competitive rate.
You want to reduce the numbers of illegals, make penalties for hiring them overwhelming and improve the ability to catch employers hiring illegals.
It most certainly is the economy
candoo2 (dkos funluvn1) Wednesday, December 24th at 3:22AM EST (link)and I find it almost amazing that I have to spell it out again, especially since you argue for my point in your reply.
There ARE more US citizen willing to take the jobs that illegals have been filling. Due to the economy. As I stated above.
Like it or not everyone, the econonmy is in bad shape and so are the lives of a lot of your fellow Americans due to that very situation.
I completely agree with you, mbecker908, on the obvious point that if we actually made the penalties for the people that hire them extremely painful, and then actually enforced those penalties, more than just the economy would come into play.
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mbecker908 Wednesday, December 24th at 9:27AM EST (link)I just realized we are arguing two completely different (but related) points. Your point on the economy is correct, a crappy US economy means there are US citizens willing to work for less and they will encroach on the jobs traditionally held by illegals.
My point is that a crappy US economy will not, in and of itself, keep illegals out because even a crappy US economy is better than a good Mexican economy.
Mea culpa & merry Christmas.
The economy is the kicker.
Shannon Bell Wednesday, December 24th at 12:55AM EST (link)You are 100% right, as long as the economy is in shambles, the illegals stay home or go home. If Barry opens up entitlements for them, then all bets are off.
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What's so bad about the economy?
scottbomb Wednesday, December 24th at 1:44PM EST (link)No, I didn’t just wake up from a coma, but seriously, is it as bad as the press would like us to believe?
Yeah, I know the stock market has lost a lot of value.
Still, the malls are packed, people are still buying cars and houses, unemployment is relatively low.
I hear the economic indicators recently showed a 1/2 of 1 percent loss. Whoop-de-do!
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New infrastructure spending
rightonpeachtree Tuesday, December 23rd at 9:53PM EST (link)Just wait until all those construction jobs come online with the massive infrastructure spending bill. Unless SERIOUS steps are taken to ensure Americans get those jobs, illegal immigration will just spike once again and many of those jobs will go to illegals.
rightonpeachtree...if there is a works project....
Attack Mode Tuesday, December 23rd at 10:06PM EST (link)the R’s and the bluedog dems may just rally together to insure verbiage is attached so that the jobs can only be held by citizens…that would be a bit of bipartisianship i may even support….although I am against a public works project on principle in the first place.
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While self-attrition obviously works (which the WSJ once denied), the government should
spainishirish Tuesday, December 23rd at 10:45PM EST (link)have enforced the law way back when. When all is said and done, Bush’s belated enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws will be a scar on his legacy. I imagine increased unemployment may damper Democratic and RINO amnesty impulses, but as a matter of principle economics shouldn’t be determinative of law enforcement.
illegals
deepredpatriot Wednesday, December 24th at 12:16AM EST (link)Illegal immigration is a strategy by the democrats to reduce the white population. Part of it is strategy, since most whites vote republican. Part of it is racism: liberals hate the “white man” and believe he should be punished.
Oh come on
JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, December 24th at 8:58AM EST (link)Please tell me you don’t truly believe Democrats are tunneling under the border, smuggling illegals over, just as some kind of racist and sexist plot. (Is the implication also that more women are coming over to dilute the male population, too? You did say “white man”.)
Seriously.
Cuz I gotta tell you: attitudes like this make ~me~ want to go smuggle some non-white-females into your neighborhood just to annoy you.
Merry Christmas, BTW.
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Keep Up The Pressure
DavidSage Wednesday, December 24th at 1:53AM EST (link)Let’s not get lulled into a false sense of security.
When the economy heats back up (especially the housing market) they will swarm back here. Like mbecker said earlier, our economy will always be better than Mexico’s.
The best way to solve this problem is to keep ratcheting up the pressure. It looks like the federal government will never have the balls to take on this problem, so a lot of it will now be from the states. Arizona’s employee sanction law has really dealt a blow to illegal immigrants. My guess is, more and more states will follow suit. Right now is a great time to do something about illegal immigration. When jobs are scarce, the last thing people want is more illegal immigrants taking their jobs.
Going after employers is the best strategy. Illegal immigrants are here for mainly one reason, higher paying jobs. If you cut that off, you’ve essentially solved the problem. Both sides of the aisle can usually form a coalition on this strategy of going after the employers. The Conservative Right who want to defend our nation’s sovereignty, and the Populist/Labor Left that understands illegal immigrants drive down wages.
Wild Card Rahm Emanuel
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20 - 40 million new democrats can mean Democrat party in controlling congress, executive and judicial branches for 50 to 100 years or more…. It may tick off America but it is a winner for their party and it is all about winning…