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The American public discovers that (gasp) Obama is a LIBERAL

And his numbers continue to tank..but so do ours.

By: Bill S (Diary)  |  March 16th, 2009 at 10:18 PM  | 

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Opinion polls ratings for the Prez continue to dive.  All the major polling groups are showing a shrinking approval-to-disapproval ratio.  Today Pew Research, Gallup and CNN all published new numbers, and all showed significant slips.

The Pew polling showed a rather amusing result:

Pew attributes Obama’s slippage in its poll to a change in public perception about his political leanings, with respondents saying by 44 percent to 30 percent that he is listening more to liberals versus moderates, compared to 44 percent who said in February that he was listening more to moderates while 34 percent said it were liberals that had his ear.

There’s a news flash for you, kids.

The interesting result in the Pew poll is a significant jump in the perception of Democrat leadership in Congress.  Approval for Congressional Democrats stands at around 47%, substantially higher than late 2008/early 2009, but approval for the GOP stands at 28% – a substantial drop from 34% in February.

I suspect that the GOP leadership problems can be explained by a public perception that there IS no leadership in the GOP right now…an opinion to which much of our Redstate readership can relate.  How can one have a positive opinion about something that doesn’t exist?

The Dems are showing weakness right now, but the GOP appears to be rudderless…and the polls are reflecting this.  Michael Steele is obviously not the answer.  Sarah Palin is not the answer (for now)…she has a state to run, as does Bobby Jindal.  We have a President who is grossly incompetent, and we need someone in the GOP to lead the way to exploit this emerging weakness.  Rush does it nicely, but he is not the leader of the GOP.  Someone must step up into that role.  Who?

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  • avgamerican

    Notthing about Barack Obama was different. He was a liberal since he was old enough to know what he believed in. America saw it for themselves through Jeremiah Wright. Americans ignored Obama’s connections to Bill Ayers and Reverend discrace whatever his name was. Americans ignored Obama’s inexperience. They went to the the polls and voted for this man with enthusiasm. Americans should be ashamed of themselves. This president is their problem now and the consequences that go with it. Americans wanted change. THEY ARE GOING TO GET MORE CHANGE THAN THEY BARGAINED FOR. AND IT ISN”T GOING TO BE GOOD.

  • DONTREADONME

    can not hide the fact that you are not a good leader or one that can make good decisions. What the American people I think bought was a Hollywood Production, pomp and circumstance without much substance. Heh, just let some of the Hollywood actors talk once and you will see they are only as smart as the scripts that are written for them.

  • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

    Ted Kennedy is a liberal.

  • katesmith

    Part of our problem is the current crop of media addicts, alleged Republicans, alleged conservatives, Beltway types. These pathetic creatures take all the air up making it more difficult for a new leader to emerge. One in particular is quite troublesome, but I won’t name him because he runs a lot of ads on this site. It made me sick to see him speaking at CPAC. When George Bush/Karl Rove were in charge, how could conservative leaders emerge when to do so would be to go against the GOP’s acknowledged leaders at that point in time? We have a smaller version of that now with this group of celebrity, global warming so-called conservatives poisoning the population about Republicans. Andrew Breitbart recently visited the Beltway and described the current GOP crew as a toxic brew. I thought that was a good description. Move out the dead wood.

  • Finrod

    When will Obama go negative in the Rasmussen Obama approval index?

    I call April 1!

  • scarlos

    Nothing like an IRS shakedown to remind people who’s paying for Obama’s spending spree.

    His approval index is probably not going to go that negative though; to do that his Liberal base needs to not like him as much.

    But at the rate he’s going he’ll hit Bush-style Strongly Disapprove ratings (40%) before Summer.

  • Sharp_Right_Turn

    True story.

    I live in New York and a very liberal area at that. So when I blurt our that I am a conservative, people look at me as if I were a pedophile that was released due to a legal technicality. Shortly before the November election, almost all of me and my wife’s friends openly and gleefully admitted to supporting Obama. We declined more than our share of invitations to (I kid you not) Obama dinner parties. Occasionally, we’d be confronted about our refusal to hop aboard the Hopey-Changey Express and we’d respond by simply saying that we were diametrically opposed to everything Obama stood for. His lack of administrative experience, his lack of military experience (or more accurately his disdain for the US Military) and his socialist aspirations gave us cause for pause. More times than not, we were met with rebuttals such as “He would never do anything as extreme as this-or-that. He’s just appealing to the Left-wing fringes for their necessary support.” My wife and I have a reputation of being reasonably intelligent so our decision to vote for McCain-Palin (albeit not with much enthusiasm) was dumbfounding to our peers. It made no sense that we’d rather vote for a candidate that frustrated the hell out of us over someone the rest of our social circles was mesmerized by.

    Well, the day of reckoning has arrived and even my over-zealous Obamaniacs are second-guessing themselves. Many of them are well paid professionals who thought their emotional investment in Obama was going to be enough to make them exempt of the cosmic screwing they are about to receive. Many fall above the dreaded $250k income bracket. Almost all of them have mortgages. Some of whom are MDs and suddenly they are growing fearful of Obama’s nationalized health care proposal. This weekend, our good friend who volunteered for the Obama campaign doubled us over when she said, “I never thought Obama would actually do the things he said he would do. I never thought he’d go to such extremes. I thought he was just saying that to get the support of the hard Left-wingers.”

    And if that weren’t enough, another friend who voted for Obama told us this little gem: “I’m getting a sinking feeling about Obama. He’s eerily reminding me of that dreamboat knight in shining armor all of us women dated at one point in our lives: a smooth talking playboy with a Ferrari and the Park Ave. penthouse apartment who promises you the world. Only you find out later that it’s his brother’s car and he’s unemployed and only cat sitting at the penthouse while its owners are vacationing in Tuscany.”

  • Tbone

    with an affirmative action Harvard degree. He is wearing thin real fast.

  • Sharp_Right_Turn

    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” ~Margaret Thatcher

  • Sharp_Right_Turn

    Most Americans voted viscerally this election cycle. They voted for Obama because they were mad at Bush (not McCain). It isn’t too dissimilar to when Americans voted for Carter to get even with Nixon (not Ford).

    As I mentioned to my Liberal friends: Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids. De-clawing the US Military; bloating the size of government; frivolous spending; penalizing the successful while rewarding the clueless; Iran acting up; Russia acting up; State department placations. Why don’t we just wear polyester bellbottoms and hang up a few disco balls while we’re at it?!

    He’s partying like it’s 1979!

  • larryp

    Obama wants all these distractions. It is crazy-making. It is a shell-game-where is the bead, under which shell? All while he continues to have his sub-commanders socialize the country.
    Follow the Plan,man. No need to be coy, boy. We gotta elect some Cons, mon.
    There are 33 Senate seats available. How many do we need.
    There is all the House. How many can we pick off and how many do we need?
    Don’t fall for email messages,to dopes. Don’t fall for goofy press conferences that have diatribes about bonuses. Don’t pay any attention to the Bamster on Leno. (what an embarassment).
    Remember when Donks want to win,they go to the center. Also they get squishy donks to replace squishy GOPERs. This was the Rahm plan. so don’t think that the Conservative message won’t work. sure it does. It is used against us all the time.

  • jbd007

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment

    If this is true, Obama will have finally jumped the shark …. I don’t see how even the media can help him weasel his way out of this one:

    The ONE part of the government that deserves free government run healthcare is the military ….. if this story is 100% accurate, we need to spread it far and wide.

    In my wildest dreams, I couldn’t have imagined Obama being this much of a disaster after less than 100 days. Where’s Jimmy Carter?

  • Rapunzel46

    only +4 today. Of course they’ll nudge him back into the double digits by the weekend, but each week his low is a point lower than the low the week prior.

  • DavidSage

    Obama’s approval numbers would be 10 points less if we had a strong Republican leader(s) that could capitalize on Obama’s dismal performance since he was inaugurated. He’s really starting to lose the “center” of this country’s electorate. Americans thought he was going to be a more moderate centrist, instead their seeing what a truly radical liberal looks like.

    You really couldn’t script a better scenario for Republicans than what has occurred since Obama was elected, yet we haven’t been able to capitalize on it effectively. Instead, our side is in a battle with Michael Steele vs. Rush Limbaugh.

    No matter how badly Obama bungles his Presidency (and he will), it won’t matter if we don’t have an effective, united, and organized opposition.

    You can’t beat something with nothing.

  • IJB

    …if it is indeed a real effect (I’d need to see those numbers backed up from other polls before I would buy it – I’ve had problems with Pew in the past).

    As is the decline in support for the GOP. And I’m not sure it is simply a leadership issue, though it could be a side-effect of Snowe’s, Collins’ & Specter’s betrayal.

    But if those numbers hold up, especially as the GOP is likely to dig in against the Obama/Democrat agenda from here on in, it’ll be a real warning sign – that this country is finished.

    It’s not enough for Barry’s numbers to tank – it’s meaningless unless Nan’s & Dingy Harry’s & all the Congressional Dems’ number crater too.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Just wait until most people who voted for him realize he’s actually a fully-loaded Marxist on an ‘I’m the chosen one’ ego trip fueled by others on a similar power grab.

    At that point, the libs will have their pitchforks and torches at the ready, because we’re the ones with all the guns. ;)

  • bk

    I about peed on myself at “So when I blurt our that I am a conservative, people look at me as if I were a pedophile that was released due to a legal technicality.”

    It’s just amazing how many people voted for Obama while hoping he wouldn’t do what he said he would. By 2012 there will be so many people dependent on Uncle Sam’s teats that you have to wonder whether they’ll risk giving that up, because of course the campaign theme will be that the evil Republicans want to cut off the average person’s lifelines blah blah blah.

  • builder20

    My Father-In-Law is a GYN here in Baden.W?rttemberg, and due to politicians meddling he will be receiving a 10% decrease in pay this year. Basically the powers at be think its not fair that Doctors in Bayern and BW make more money than those Doctors living in the rest of Germany, so in the name of “fairness” they are taking his money and giving it to other Doctors deemed more worthy. What is not reported in the news here is that COSTS on BW are higher for all most everything than they are everywhere else in Germany. Meaning being paid more is necessary to have a functioning business. Living in New York I am sure you can appreciate that. The Doctors here are demonized in the press for wanting “more” money, and being greedy, but here is the fun part!

    Only Doctors with PRIVATE Practices will receive a pay cut, not those working in the State Hospitals. The entire purpose of the 10% pay cut is not about Fairness, but forcing private Practices to close down so Patients are FORCED to use the Hospitals. Which is way cheaper for the state, but quality of care goes down the drain. Then again with Socialized medicine and a Krankenkasse bankrupt keeping people alive is not a top priority.

    What people also don’t understand is what Doctors are paid here is not their take home pay. After rent, paying employees, heating, electric, ect he takes home only 30% of what he is actually paid. Take 10% away from that, and you can see why it will put many Doctors out of Business.

    The situation described above is similar to what will happen if BO’s Nationalized Health Care Plan come into being. Your Doctor friends will have no rights, and if they complain about compensation they will be demonized and told to how evil they are! Sound the warning to your friends before it is to late! 1 Doctor has about a 1,000 vote influence when they choose to use it!

  • 6eorge Jetson
  • VanishingNYRep

    Great post. As you can see, I live in NY too, although not in NYC. I run into a lot of self-described conservatives and Repulicans. They voted for Sen. Obama because “McCain was too liberal” or “Palin was not ready to be President.” They made argumenrts that Sen. Obama was a “centrist” or “would run the country from the middle.” When asked about Sen Obama’s voting record or even his liberal statements of policy, they shrugged and said he didn’t mean it.

    Well now all of these “conservatives” and Republicans are sick to their stomach about Sen Obama. They can’t beleive that he is actually a liberal! When I speak to them, I remind them that I told them about his voting record and public statements. They chose to believe what they wanted to believe about Sen. Obama rather than what the plain facts were. I now tell them that elections have consequences and now we are all going to pay the price.

  • mbauer

    If governors aren’t acceptable national leaders (which I agree with) then I’d have to guess that our best hopes are on Eric Cantor. I sure would have a lot more respect for Governor Romney if he’d spend his time now (opposed to next election season) strongly in the public’s eye representing principled conservatives. He might gain my vote in 2012 if he’d do it.

  • PaRep

    The Republicans are more Unpopular says Drive By Media

    PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    As I have said since election Night Jimmuh Carter Part DUH !!!

  • jcheney

    “We have a President who is grossly incompetent, and we need someone in the GOP to lead the way to exploit this emerging weakness. Rush does it nicely, but he is not the leader of the GOP. Someone must step up into that role. Who?”

    I thought Ken Blackwell did a pretty good job of spanking Steele and defining what a conservative is. Anyone else thing that?

  • http://loudmajority.net bdeitrich

    “The Dems are showing weakness right now, but the GOP appears to be rudderless?and the polls are reflecting this. Michael Steele is obviously not the answer. Sarah Palin is not the answer (for now)?she has a state to run, as does Bobby Jindal. We have a President who is grossly incompetent, and we need someone in the GOP to lead the way to exploit this emerging weakness. Rush does it nicely, but he is not the leader of the GOP. Someone must step up into that role. Who?”

    Meghan McCain *rolling eyes & puking*

  • teresamerica

    Your right Rush is not the leader of the GOP, but for some reason he is the only one really expressing the republican parties values.

    The GOP is in a rut, but I believe that they are starting to come out of it. Now, the party is being forced to think up new ideas. They did give alternative to both the stimulus and the budget, just passed. Somehow the GOP has to articulate ideas so that they are clearly understood by “average” americans.

    If, the GOP stands together and both expresses and displays conservative values to the american people, then a leader will emerge.

  • peg_c

    rubbing the buyer’s remorse crowd’s noses in the muck of their voting result. Very, very grim satisfaction.

    They all look so astonished. Not a one believed he’d do any of these things. Those of us who truly did – are we really smarter? Less deluded? More rational? What? I have to say, I love humanity, it’s people I can’t stand, and this is why. Apparently most are dumber than dirt.

  • peg_c

    Only Obama and the Dems would ever say Rush is the leader of the GOP. They think they are insulting the GOP when they claim this when in actual fact they are insulting Rush. However, he is the acknowledged leader of the Conservative Movement (such as it is). It’s undeniable.

    GOP and Conservatism are rapidly becoming close to mutually exclusive.

  • janis

    ;-)

  • http://www.pisarikadoption.blogspot.com LeaOK

    I think another reason, if not the main reason, for why the GOP numbers have fallen even lower is because the majority of the American people blame the GOP for this economic collapse.

    I saw this in a poll a couple of days ago and it fits in with some of what I heard when discussing with people for whom they would be voting. It seemed that no matter how much I told them about Barney Frank and the other Democrats that should be to blame for much of this mess, they did not believe it or did not want to hear it.

    When I saw the poll about this, I was furious. No one is really discussing this much but the GOP really needs to come up with a good way to get the message out as to the Democrats role in all of this. I know people do not necessary like “finger pointing” but we really need to find a way to change this perception.

  • Alitheia

    If he is a Marxist Fascist hippie-Hitler, then we can all rise up and stuff. What if he isn’t? What if he’s just a liberal with decent intentions in a complicated world?

    You could say that this is even worse in some ways, but we all need to arrive at one reality. We don’t have time to fight each other; we have real enemies in the world.

  • loewenbrau

    who said” we are together in this alone”?

  • janis

    That one belief of his, coupled with the actions he has taken to support his belief, give the lie to any notion that he’s a decent guy. He’s a nasty, tyrannical, arrogant, baby-killing marxist who’s well on his way to ruining our country and leaving us vulnerable to all kinds of national security problems.

    And that’s my reality.

  • Alitheia
  • randy streu

    she said infanticide. As in, so-called partial birth abortion. You know, the one where they partially deliver a child and jam something sharp into its skull.

    Yeah, I’d say being okay with that makes somebody a tyrant, if not on a global scale, at least in the life of that one child.

  • janis

    my thoughts about Obama on just that one subject. He is tyrannical in many other ways as well, given that he thinks it’s his right to take money from one producer and give it to a bunch of non-producers. Or how about his lovely thoughts on ruining the clean coal industry or maybe his arrogance when riffing on the notion of how energy prices are going to “skyrocket” so he can say he provided Americans with green technology and “clean energy.” That would, at the least, add anywhere from $700 to $1400 per year per family in costs. Or how about his notions on shutting down free speech for a selected group of citizens?

    There’s just so much to comment upon in this man as a tyrant, but there’s some to start with. Your mileage may vary.

  • Brian Hibbert

    but I guess you don’t know about the Born Alive Act.

  • Alitheia

    In this case, he is assisting the tyranny of the mother. That is different from assuming dictatorial powers over our country.

  • Alitheia

    Pro-Choice people see any attempt at abortion restriction as a gateway toward abortion’s illegalization.

    That’s the view, so votes about abortion are made through this lens.

    We need a uniform way of deciding when life begins, and when life ends. I propose brain activity as such a benchmark.

  • randy streu

    and anyway, Janis responded to this idea below.

  • janis

    .

  • janis

    then you either don’t have any children of your own, or you are so off in the the weeds of the left that there’s no hope for you.

    NOTHING JUSTIFIES THE TAKING OF AN INNOCENT LIFE.

  • randy streu

    n/t

  • Alitheia

    In his reality, Global Warming is real, so all carbon fuels are bad.
    In his reality, energy prices were always going to skyrocket, so he feels that it is his duty to make sure that these price increases come with some compensatory benefits.

    When did he shut down free speech?

    It is not tyranny, just an overprotective government.

  • Alitheia

    The difference between the positions is the line on what is and what is not the protection of the mother’s life.

  • janis

    And global warming is just the excuse to levy huge new taxes. As to free speech, that’s on the agenda, but he’s starting in other ways to do this. Note the administration’s attacks on anyone in the media who doesn’t agree with him, i.e., Rush, Rick Santelli, Jim Cramer, etc. No other adminstration has pushed so hard to personalize the opposite views of those in the media who don’t support them 100%.

    Do you not see ANY of this?

  • Alitheia
  • janis

    as terrible as the choice would be, that would be acceptable. You cannot tell me that 40 million+ babies over the years since Roe v Wade were ALL because of the risk to the mother’s life.

  • Vegas_Rick

    It won’t take a stand on anything, and is just having fun tweaking you all.

  • janis

    :-)

  • Menlo

    Science defines when life (a new whole distinct human life) begins and has for well over a century, and it is not at all based on brain activity, which cannot adequately be measured or defined in the unborn anyway. If you meant refer to when to protect life rather than when it exists, you dismiss the fact that brain activity is likely to be gained, a criteria that you would surely find adequate for protecting the born.

    Either way, no one can seriously deny there was not tyranny on the part of the judiciary in this matter. They have been asserting dictatorial powers over the country on that and other matters as well for several decades. Supporting Roe and subsequent rulings upholding it is supporting a judicial tyrrany.

    As an aside, protecting born alive infants as in the IL bill Obama opposed (now federal law that no one bothers to enforce) is not an “abortion restriction,” and any claims to the contrary are lies.

  • randy streu

    Though I’ve been puzzling to pin down exactly where those beliefs lie, I believe Alitheia is here in good faith, and genuinely holds beliefs and values similar to many on this board.

    From what I’ve been reading, much of what she’s saying isn’t being taken in the spirit it’s being said in.

    We need to slow down a bit and take every statement at face value — just like we do for the long-time members.

  • Alitheia

    It is both our folly and our salvation.

    No, he really believes in Anthropogenic Global Warming. It might be untrue, but the belief is real. If it is real, he probably isn’t doing enough. If it is not, then any action would be too much.

    I don’t think responding to criticism is censorious, though I could see how it might be beneath the dignity of his office.

  • randy streu

    “Not too bright”

    It’s not her fault she’s new at a time when we’ve been getting hit with trolls. She deserves the chance to engage in conversation without insult, same as the rest of us.

  • Menlo

    Though it may not mean much now, for the first time in several years, Republicans now lead Democrats on the generic ballot for 2010.

    An NPR poll has them tied.

  • Alitheia

    If it merely looks like one, pro-choice people fear it could be used as a wedge to further pry open abortion laws.

    As for the mental activity idea, it is just an idea. There must be one set of rules that we follow, and we must come to a consensus of sorts. A life will always be taken in an abortion. We must decide at what point the life being taken has grown complex and self aware enough to need additional protections.

    However, none of this matters if the pro-choice people are so afraid of abortion’s complete illegalization that they cannot stomach any sort of compromise.

  • randy streu

    Usually, it’s more a matter of, “we have time to save one of these two lives…” and then choosing the life of the mother over that of the baby.

    Actually, I think I heard that here first.

  • randy streu

    Mouth-frothing, NARAL abortion activists are a much smaller minority than are people who mostly don’t care, but have been duped into believing it’s a matter of “choice” versus “life”. We just have to change their minds.

  • Alitheia
  • janis

    are not debatable. Nor are they subject to the eye of the beholder. Our founding as a free nation with inalienable rights is not open to interpretation. The reasons why people have come here for over two centuries are multiple. As to Obama’s beliefs, from all evidence so far, they are as flexible as cooked spaghetti depending on his needs. Twenty years in the church of Jeremiah Wright? Poof! Not going to have lobbyists in his administration? Poof! Going to make sure that all spending bills are posted for 5 days on the internet for all to read?
    Poof!

    So pardon me if I don’t take it on faith that this man has any beliefs whatsoever other than what Saul Alinsky told him to have.

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    red state obsession with blamming and/or ostracizing people. If you don’t want to debate, then don’t. And don’t ome in with the bandwidth argument as I have done an analysis and there is 2 times the bandwidth used to argue for an end to arguments that the actual debates themselves. Making arguments against lib views helps persuade lurkers. Been doing it all my life, even before the Internet. People overhear DeVine Gamecock at cocktail parties and convert in from 1 hour to one year.

    stats available

    You know, I suspect that those being tweaked are having fun too and if you aren’t having fun tweaking the tweekees, then you may be a masochist!

    smile

    last post for the day on this culture war by DeVine

    ps I have had some great discussions with Alitheia

  • Alitheia
  • janis

    depends on how you respond. My interpretation of responding is that you further explain your position to make sure there is no doubt as to what you are saying. Obama’s interpretation seems to be to personalize and then try to destroy whoever disagrees with his position. See “Joe the Plumber”, the media figures I mentioned previously, and, just for kicks, John McCain. Sen. McCain claimed that the fundamentals of our economy were strong back during the campaign, and Obama ridiculed him. Not just disagreed, but ridiculed. So now guess who’s saying that the fundamentals of our economy are strong?

    So far, nothing seems to be beneath the dignity of his office–there is none.

  • Alitheia

    “We just have to change their minds.”

    Before you can do that, you make sure that there are minds willing and able to be changed. Fix the education system first.

  • Alitheia

    Why does everyone think I’m a girl?

  • Alitheia
  • Mike gamecock DeVine
  • randy streu

    It’s the ‘a’ at the end of your user name. It just looks/sounds feminine. Sorry about that.

  • janis

    Sam Wurzelbacher’s life because he dared to disagree with Obama and his remarks caught fire? You know, “spread the wealth”? On behalf of Obama, his little minions in Ohio did everything they could to discredit this man. That goes way beyond ridicule. And before you argue that Obama himself didn’t do this, Obama never once, to my knowledge, tried to call the dogs off or call them out in public for what they were doing to benefit him.

  • Alitheia

    Just as he is undeserving of the adulation of his masses, so too is he undeserving of the vitriol of his detractors. He’s just a politician. Politicians blow with the wind because it is their job to stay elected by catering to the whims of their constituents.

  • Vegas_Rick

    I just don’t know what to do with statements like:

    “What if he isn?t? What if he?s just a liberal with decent intentions in a complicated world?”

  • janis

    n/t

  • randy streu

    Social censorship is very real, and very, very dangerous. It’s a damned useful tool, and the Dems are pros at it.

    Obama knew exactly what was going on, and if he didn’t, in fact, give it his explicit blessing I would be VERY surprised.

    At the least, as you said, Janis, he could’ve called off the dogs. Had he any class, he would’ve.

  • Alitheia

    He never publicly berated anyone for this intrusion.

    That’s not a tyrant. That’s someone too busy and self-involved to care.

  • Lammo

    is where the woman’s pregnancy prevents the use of some sort of lifesaving treatment. I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on TV but a classic example that I am aware of is that of St. Gianna Beretta Molla. Two months pregnant, she was found to have a fibroma on her uterus. She refused to have an abortion and accepted only such treartment as would not harm her unborn child. This decision ultimately cost her her life. The child was present when she was cannonized by Pope John Paul II on May 16, 2004.

    To my tiny little mind (too small to be let out on it’s own) in an ordinary case the only way you get to abortion being necessary to save the life of the mother is if your mindset tells you that pregnancy is a disease.

  • janis

    Many of us here knew what he was a long time ago and nothing he’s done since has changed that knowledge for the better. And pardon me if I don’t think it’s a good sign in a POTUS to be too busy and self-involved to care. Our allies such as Great Britain surely didn’t appreciate that any more than I do.

  • janis

    He’s entirely worthy of our vitriol. The things he is doing are going to change this country in ways so fundamental that our children will not know the same country that most of us have known.

  • Alitheia

    I don’t care if he is mean, nasty, forgetful, or arrogant. I want him to start getting us out of this ditch. If his way gets us out of the ditch, we can argue about how to fix the car later. If it doesn’t, then these problems will still be here when Republicans retake control.

    Or, we might already be screwed, no matter what happens.

  • janis

    I didn’t once call for him to get banned and I didn’t give him short answers. That being said, I don’t want to be an attorney. Arguing is tiring work. No wonder so many get paid so much to do it!

    Must go for now. Going to build a fire in the grill and cook some marinated London Broil. Or as we now say “No Special Relationship Broil.” ;-)

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    the liberal gets mugged by reality sooner than later and becomes a conservative with good intentions that actually wants results via policies that work, i.e. conservative ones.

    You may not know: I am at war with the culture that has developed here that seeks to shut down debate with libs via troll/moby labels. It seems many here come here only to seek out these people and hector about until they are banned.

    I see them as opportunities to refute lib arguments and actually persuade on lookers.

    I am especially repulsed at those that make analogies of words on a screen with “peeing” on the carpet, since actual pee smells bad and has to be cleaned up in reality.

    One can always ignore one they deem unworthy of relies.

    It is always an option to “deal” with words on a screen with walking away.

    I simply have never understood this whole troll obsession. It strikes me as a wennie, coward activity engaged in by people that may have been bullied as a child and finally get to act tough. I am not accusing anyone in particular of this, but simply am at a loss to understand the culture here.

    It could be that I am just ignorant. But after 5 years of blogging, I doubt it. I suspect that i may have something to teach, rather than learn on this matter.

    You see, I have been in the persuasion business for 20+ years and have won jury trials I was told were impossible and won over voters for candidates thru debates.

    I live to actually win, not have some oink glow of satisfaction at arbitrary orders in my house.

    now, I rest

    I love you brother. You are one of the best here. But I am just being honest.

    I also reject not just the bandwidth argument, but also the “credibility” argument, which ends up allowing regulars to be uncivil via a rule meant to impose civility. I admit I have been uncivil in the past as well.

    later bro

  • Mike gamecock DeVine
  • Alitheia

    Once we started competing with the world’s desperate poor for our jobs, irrevocable changes were made. What we are seeing here is merely the first major consequence of this irreducible stupidity.

  • janis

    no text

  • Alitheia

    This is how competent civilizations deal with moral, philosophical, and political divergences.

    We have real enemies, and we must all hang together, or we will all hang separately.

  • Alitheia
  • Vegas_Rick

    Are suggesting that the socialist tide in this country cannot be turned back? Should we quit trying?

  • randy streu

    A moby is a person who comes into a Conservative website, pretending to be a Conservative, and presenting a characature based on what they (liberals) THINK a conservative is like. Generally, they do this either thinking they can “prove” we actually are how they believe we are, or else trick us into giving something away.

    In other words, they are idiots.

    I don’t think you’re an idiot.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    correct Brother GC…. the more lame the Lefty thoughts here the easier to provide good feedback and perhaps turn a casual observer or two around (not gonna convert the insane). We want the casual middle-of-the-road voter to see the lefty-loons of the JackAss Party provide their non-sense (knee-jerk “Feel good, but no substance or ‘Solutions’”) here to be viewed and know they are countered by actual reasoned-thought!!!! Easy to see reasons not to pull that JackAss lever, because of the Lefty-loon concepts it/they represent as demonstrated by some of those insane folks right here on RS (let alone seeing any of their nonsense at DailyKook or HuffPoo)…

  • Alitheia

    Exponential growth means that not only does our debt increase constantly, but that the rate of increase increases constantly. This has unpredictable consequences, none of which are good.

  • Alitheia

    Anyone who would do that is, in fact, an idiot.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    for a musical interlude inspired by one of the Usernames….

    … we now return you to your bickering ;-)

  • Vegas_Rick

    About the exponential growth of our debt. But I think the consequences were completely predictable.

  • Alitheia
  • Alitheia

    The future ones, not so much.

  • Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Man, what on earth did I start here ? Was a bit hard to follow for a while, but Mike, I think Brooks Robinson was better defensively than Chipper. ;)

    Alitheia: We don?t have time to fight each other; we have real enemies in the world.

    That’s a good one. I like it. Thing is, with many actual occurrences here in the good ol’ USA, some of those enemies are from within (and I could care less about their party affiliation). That’s where a big portion of our problems lie. Those amongst us who are actively trying to subvert the freedoms, liberties and rights that afford you and everyone the ability to voice opinions.

    Those folks are enemies of all of us…. Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans and Democrats who genuinely do love the country, but see things in different ways.

    I’m pretty sure Americans are not actually fighting each other yet. The discussions are getting much louder, much more derisive and much more divisive, making it all that much more serious.

    Unfortunately, I think the fighting is coming though at some level. My prediction is that whatever is going to happen will start at the border states and the real invasion that is underway from Mexico.

  • Doc Holliday

    and the nutroots will simply attack the American Legion as a right wing organization, they have done it before.

  • Doc Holliday

    I hae seen maybe one anti-Obama sticker on a car since the election. I probably see 40 Obama stickers a day on the road. This has nothing to do with where I live, we have lots of Republicans and there were lots of McCain stickers during the election.

    I am adding a Gadsen Flag, “Don’t Tread on Me” sticker to my car. I think anti-Obama is not exactly what I want. I want to support liberty and show there is a threat out there. We as conservatives need to stop censoring ourselves in public. The average jill will just assume everyone is hunky dory with Obamanania. BTW, I even see the Obama stickers on military bases.

  • Alitheia

    We need to legalize marijuana, build a real border, and send in our very best soldiers. The drug cartels are not a joke, and it will take real firepower to shut them down once the loss of 70% of their revenue drives them to desperation.