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The Democrats’ Health Care Hari-Kari

A quick search of the Interwebs for the term “political suicide” will return a significant number of stories on the pending Democrat-pushed healthcare “reform” legislation and their seemingly inexplicable political death spiral. Virtually every poll says that the public rejects the bills in the Senate and House, Barack Obama’s popularity is tanking, and virtually no one on the Right OR the Left is happy with them. So the natural question is: Why are the Democrats pushing this?

The characterization of the Democrats’ actions as “political suicide” is somewhat inaccurate. It would be more apt to call it “political hari-kari”, as the Democrats believe that passing this legislation is the honorable thing to do. They believe that this is the political equivalent to Grandma’s spoonfull of castor oil – something that we don’t want but they’re doing because it’s good for us. This week, in an article titled “Why Democrats push health care, even if it kills them,” Byron York quoted a Democrat strategist:

“Because they think they know what’s best for the public,” the strategist said. “They think the facts are being distorted and the public’s being told a story that is not entirely true, and that they are in Congress to be leaders. And they are going to make the decision because Goddammit, it’s good for the public.”

Of course, going forward has turned out to be harder than many Democrats thought. And now, with various proposals lying wrecked along the road, the true believers are practicing what the strategist calls “principled damage control.”

The Dems believe that once healthcare fascism socialization rationing reform is passed, we’ll come to love it, just as we have with Social Security and Medicare. We’ll figure out that it really WAS good for us. And incredibly, they believe that not only will it be good for us, but it will win them seats in 2010.

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has been telling Democrats a win on the health issue will reverse the slide in public opinion, just as passage of another controversial proposal, the North American Free Trade Agreement, lifted President Bill Clinton in the polls.

The apparent success by Senate Democrats this weekend in securing the necessary votes to pass a sweeping overhaul of health care before Christmas will offset setbacks on climate change and financial industry regulation, Democrats say.

“The reality, I think, will trump poll numbers in the dead of winter as this debate is going on,” White House senior adviser David Axelrod said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

“We’re governing through difficult times,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I think we’re going to be in a better place” when the midterm elections arrive.

Sean Trende, writing for Politico, believes that the Democrats are motivated by the desire to be “historic”:

I suspect that most of the left intuits this. That’s why the other argument you’ll see – and this is especially true of the Administration and the leadership – is that the Democrats should pass this bill because they have a chance to make history: Do something the Democrats have wanted since the Truman Administration. President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Majority Leader Reid believe that if they pass this bill, regardless of what else happens to them, they’ll have earned a place in the Democrats’ Pantheon of Great Leaders. These Democrats see universal coverage as their Holy Grail (never mind that the bill actually leaves behind millions of uninsured), it’s within reach, and they really don’t care what sort of bill they have to pass to get it. They’ll even let the press start describing them, with reason, as allies of Big Pharma to achieve the win. The train is simply running out of control at this point, and all Pelosi can do is stand at the front and repeat increasingly out-of-touch talking points about the American people wanting them to enact this bill and standing up to the insurance industry.

Bucking public opinion is not a strategy that is unique to the Democrats. Before President Bush and his team successfully executed the surge strategy in Iraq, the GOP also went against some significant public resistance against their Iraq policies. Like the Democrats, the Bush administration and the GOP rejected public pressure and forged on with the (correct, IMHO) opinion that they were doing the right thing. In the end, even though the Bush administration Iraq policy was successful, the GOP still paid the price in electoral losses in 2006 and 2008. This is likely to occur again with the Democrats.

The Democrats in Congress don’t seem worried about this. Even Barack Obama himself admits that Congress is on the “precipice” (when I read that quote, I was reminded of the line from “The Princess Bride” where Inigo Montoya tells Vizzini “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.“) but he presses on nonetheless. It seems, however, that there some on the Left, outside the insulated walls of the Capitol, who do understand the peril in which the Democrats have placed themselves. From OpenLeft.com (I won’t link them – you can find the article by searching for the title “This Health Reform Bill Is Political Suicide”):

And, frankly, why should the public ever again listen to anyone left of John McCain after this, if this is what happens when Democrats get power? It is just wrong to use that power to order everyone to shell out a huge amount of money – while Wall Street hands out billions of taxpayer dollars as bonuses. They will be portrayed as confirming what the right has been saying about “liberals” they use the power of the state to order people to follow elitist schemes – which is exactly what this is, a scheme where elite people with power decide what is good for the rest of us – mandates are important because you can’t cover pre-existing without them, etc. THIS is where a President is supposed to be a leader come in and insist on broader guidelines with a veto threat.

I’m glad the Left has figured this out. But their leadership apparently has not. Even Nancy Pelosi and the House leadership believes that it’s OK to lose some seats for The Cause, despite Emanuel and Axelrod’s claims to the contrary.

So the Democrats continue on course to draw their samurai swords and “die with honor”. While I’m OK to see them do this (electorally and politically, of course), I fear that the price of seeing them go down will be higher than the United States of America can handle.

(and no, I didn’t see mbecker908′s diary before writing this… :-) )

COMMENTS

  • ceili_dancer

    This is why elections mean things and why winning with the right people are so important. Waiting for a Democrat with a concious is like waiting for the tooth fairy or Easter Bunny, not going to happen. … where’s my whiskey, I need something with some strength, because obviuosly the “leadership” from the Republican Senate is not there.

  • gnomechumpsky

    This is about control, noting else – that is why they will pass it without regard for how much everyone hates it. That is why Nelson sells out the unborn and his country. It is why Webb makes a sweetheart deal while appearing to be thoughtful. You’d better damn well understand the nature of this fight.

  • antisocialist

    and they realize this is a big step in that direction. Liberal pols are really just con artists. They really don’t care about helping the poor, the middle class, blacks or other minorities. The one and only thing they care about is getting as many people as possible dependent on the fedgov for their income, healthcare, or whatever. They don’t believe for a second that this healthcare bill will lower the deficit over the next 10 yrs or that it will result in higher quality coverage for the currently insured at a lower cost than what we’re currently paying. They’re all college grads and they’re not naive. They know the history of nat healthcare in Europe and they like it because it creates an even larger welfare state. They don’t care if their policies will make everyone’s health care worse. If it results in more citizens dependent on the fedgov, they’re for it.

  • AndrewHyman

    The main thing the GOP needs to do is offer a substitute bill that ensures all Americans get critical life-saving care without breaking the bank. That would give more members of Congress cover to derail the upcoming reconciliation process, and instead give this whole issue a real bipartisan effort.

    Without a solid GOP alternative bill, the best the GOP can hope for is probably the bill that survived a cloture vote tonight, with perhaps some Stupak language included (which would be a definite improvement).

    If the GOP wants to take the position that the federal government does not have constitutional power to enact this kind of thing, then that’s a perfectly legitimate position, but it does not excuse the GOP from presenting an alternative plan that could be approved by both Congress and willing states. Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution gives Congress general power to approve interstate agreements, so the GOP could propose a joint federal-state health care agreement.

  • http://hammerofreality.blogspot.com NickLevi86

    In a diary a while back, he said that Dems just hung out in the bureaucracy when out of office. With this newly planted bureaucratic jungle, they can decree and bribe all day, and not even have to worry about elections.

    THAT is why they ignore the public and the polls and the pressure from the constituents. They plan to ignore us for a good long time and, absent a complete gutting of this government system, their gravy train chugs on.

  • AndrewHyman

    One thing I’d like to see is a clause saying that illegal aliens are not covered by the bill, and if the courts determine that any part of the bill is unconstitutional because it does not cover illegal aliens then the whole bill becomes void. Care for illegal aliens ought to be a separate matter from this legislation.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    of the Constitution provide “the GOP” and the Congress with authority delegated from “we the people” to provide “all Americans . . . critical life saving care” “without breaking the bank” (whatever the latter means).
    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior

  • AndrewHyman

    The main GOP argument against the Democratic proposal has been that it is unaffordable for taxapyers and the country as a whole; i.e. that it would break the bank. Or, as Senator McCain puts it, the Democratic plan amounts to inter-generational theft.

    Regarding the Coinstitution, it prohibits states from entering into any interstate health care agreement without the consent of Congress: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

  • IJB

    I won’t even bother to go through where there is no parallel to what the Democrats are doing now and something like, say, NAFTA (hint: the latter was *bipartisan*, not highly uni-partisan).

    But if the Dems really think passing this bill is going to *gain* them seats… Well, either they already know that ACORN is about to produce the biggest example of successful voter fraud ever (in which case we’ll be looking at the first ‘general strike’ in our nation’s history, followed by our very own American ‘Orange Revolution’); or the Dems are completely delusional, as in the clinically insane sense.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Sec. 8 contains the certain, limited, enumerated powers. Sec. 10 lists certain expansive areas where Congress may not tread. So, please, can you inform us on which words of Art. I, Sec. 8 grant the power you believe he GOP and the Congress have to carry out your suggested strategy?
    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior

  • AndrewHyman

    Article I, Section 10 authorizes Congress to approve interstate agremeents. That’s what is says, and I never claimed it says anything more.

  • AndrewHyman

    The power to regulate insterstate commerce, and the power to lay and collect taxes (including income taxes under the 16th Amendment) are also relevant. Combine those with the power of states who may join a health care compact with each other approved by Congress, and there is plenty available governmental power.

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  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    so I must assume you are one.

    Prove me wrong.

    I asked a simple question, which you have, repeatedly, ignored.

    One more time, and if you don’t answer than I must assume you are a liberal (and we don’t have to converse anymore):

    Please tell us which words of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution provide ?the GOP? and the Congress with authority delegated from ?we the people? to provide ?all Americans . . . critical life saving care? ?without breaking the bank? (whatever the latter means).

    Question 2: Are you a Republican Party precinct committeeman?

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior

  • http://www.barrypopik.com barrypopik

    The Democrats have an agenda and they’re going with that, while they have the numbers.

    They’re not thinking about the political suicide that might or might not happen. FDR always got re-elected, even though the Great Depression didn’t get a lick better from his New Deal.

    Plus, there’s always voter fraud. Hey, it helped Al Franken steal an election. (Who would have known how important that was?)

    They’ve got billions in stimulus money still on the table to help Democrats at the taxpayers’ expense. Plus, when they push amnesty, they’ll portray Republicans as racists and anti-immigration.

    That’s their thinking. Go with your agenda. No one knows for sure if it’s political suicide or not.

    Anybody know when the first ObamaCare taxes kick in? After November 2010, right?

    OFF TOPIC QUESTION: Does anyone know the charity where Obama donated all his Nobel Peace Prize money?

  • AndrewHyman

    Cold Warrior, I’m no liberal. In my previous replies to you, I’ve already pointed to provisions in Article I, Section 8 (power to tax and to regulate interstate commerce), plus authoriity in Article I, Section 10 (to approve interstate agreements), plus the 16th Amendment (power to tax incomes).

    I have also explained carefully what I meant by terms like “break the bank.” I wrote above, “The main GOP argument against the Democratic proposal has been that it is unaffordable for taxapyers and the country as a whole; i.e. that it would break the bank. Or, as Senator McCain puts it, the Democratic plan amounts to inter-generational theft.”

    In response to your new question, no, I am not a Republican Party precinct committeeman. I don’t see why you would ask me that.

    If you would like to repeat your questions further, may I suggest doing so at my diary? I’ve got a post there on this subject.

  • louesc

    While we are stuck on health care look what Obama did this weekend. The Obama administration has transferred 12 Guantanamo Bay detainees to their home countries in Yemen, Afghanistan and the Somaliland region, despite concerns that many former prisoners are returning to terrorism. What a great Christmas gift to the terrorist who want to get back in the field to Kill our Brave Men and Women. I can’t wait for 2010 and 2012. Check out this video and pass it on.

    https://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com/Obama_Lets_Go12_Terroist.html

  • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

    …delivering our Republic into the hands of these fascists. If they hadn’t spent 8 years discrediting conservatism by association with the Stupid Party and it’s reckless spendthrift ways, the electorate would never have run in ignorant panic directly into the arms of the perpetrators of much of the fiscal shenanigans that led to the 2008 meltdown. Confronted with a proven gang of political self-dealers led by an inarticulate chump who felt it was his Christian duty to turn the other cheek and allow all slanders to go undisputed, a frightened and ignorant electorate decided to gamble on the slickly packaged cipher and even more Democrats in Congress because they figured, “How much worse could it be?”

    Well, now we know how much worse if can be and by the time anyone can do anything about it, it will be too late.

    I was watching the normally reasonable Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday spew the trope that once Americans are yoked by this fascist health care system, they’ll realize they had nothing to fear because they’ll find it just as lovable as Social Security and Medicare are. Yeah, the same SocSec system that has everyone buying IRAs and 401(k)s because they know that they’ll die in the streets on a SocSec income alone.

    Can we stop pretending that “political suicide” is any way similar to actual suicide? If Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln et al were really shuffling off their mortal coils in exchange for seizing 1/6th of our economy and just about 100% of our liberty, then there might be cause for concern, but when we know damn well they’ll leave their $170,000 per year Federal jobs with lifetime retiree benefits and go to work for various health industry factions/lobbies/whatever at multiples of their current salaries with no accountability to any trivial entities like constituents. What’s the downside of passing this again?

    What’s most depressing about this moment is that there is no realistic opposition to the fascist Democrat juggernaut. As the national Stupid Party apparatus tells the conservatives to sit down and STFU while they back Dede Scuzzyfalalala (sp?), Charlie “Keep the seat warm, mmmkay?” Crist, and Carly “Hoping to do for California what she did to HP” Fiorina, the likelihood that a third party – probably a Tea Party with Sarah Palin as their leader – will arise grows more certain, thus assuring permanent fascist Dem power until the lights go out on this once-great Republic.

    The Stupid Party delivered the country to the enemy. They are too stupid to right the ship and will likely cause conservatives to fracture into one group trying to steer them away from the falls and another trying to build a new shiny boat that will definitely plunge over the falls. Nice job, guys.

  • jyjacobs

    I keep hearing this mantra of ’2010 we’ll vote them out” but if I am not mistaken, by the end of this week Reid will only need 51 votes for the final passage and the ‘fix’ is in. Nelson, Bayh, Webb, et all will be ‘allowed’ to vote NO on the final day of voting and will of course, make a big issue of this, when in fact, we know the game. However, most voters are supremely ignorant and will be quite impressed with the NO votes of those ‘blue dogs’. At least, that is what this administration is banking on. Am I wrong ??

  • reddog53

    without breaking the bank. When it’s all analyzed, that costs about $50-$70B per year, far less than this idiotic bill. The issue is the cost of providing total cradle to grave care for all health care–not just emergency care.

    THERE HAS BEEN A SOLID GOP ALTERNATIVE BILL all along, but it has not been allowed to see the light of day in the various committees.

    You are placing all your emphasis on interstate agreements, and the real truth of the matter is that Congress has actively repressed those agreements with respect to health care.

  • smagar

    “Sure, Senator Nelson voted against the final health care bill. But, he knew that if the bill ever came up for a vote, it would pass. And he’s the one who made sure it came up for a vote.”

    “Ben Nelson could have stopped this, and he didn’t.”

    Something like that—-only much shorter and much more powerful.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    A lot of what you say has already been said on this site a lot of times.

    I personally have been slapped down by the moderators for being too hard on the Republican party. But ultimately it does not matter.

    Instead of being angry let’s look at the opportunities this will create.

    First of all, we can use this Obamacare as a bellwether issue to get more conservative candidates past the primaries. As far as I am concerned, any republican who does not pledge to undo or drastically change the Obamacare will not get support of any kind.

    We can also get our on plans in place to drastically remake social security and medicare too. WHY? Let me explain.

    You see our nation is bankrupt, those programs are bankrupt, and prosperity is NOT just around the corner. I hate to say it but the coming crises will make last summer look like a walk in the park.

    And that could be the opportunity of a lifetime, Just as the socialists rightly saw that they had a narrow window of opportunity to push their crap on to us. We will have a great opportunity to undo the damage of half a century and introduce true federalism, and market oriented reforms.

  • mbecker908

    which WILL pass next year, will insure a Democratic majority in both houses and a Democrat in the White House until the 12th Imam (or whatever they call him) shows up and saves us from our government.

    And no, I’m not kidding.

  • mbecker908

    Couldn’t find anything.

  • nessa

    …and it’s a terrifying picture, its the left’s Trifecta. Card Check gives them the “votes” necessary to remain in power, Healthcare allows them to reach into anyone’s life and silence opposition, and Crap and Tax provides the necessary funding and the means to twist, or break, the arms of industry. All of it leads only to increasing their power, tightening their grip.

  • neoavatara

    This is a suicide pact. The leadership of the Dems, including Obama, knows this guarantees a 2010 Republican Revolution. The question is whether we conservatives will use the opportunities we have and ride it to victory next year.

    http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=9145

  • http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

    the Obama contingency and the President are planning on cancelling the elections in 2010 and in 2012 … no Hari Kari just huge Constitutional Crisis.

    www.jeannie-ology.com

  • 10ksnooker

    Democrats see this as their ENABLING ACT. Don’t know what that is, try google.

  • archer52

    As one more debt crushing, future stripping government program begins to ooze its way under the tent edge, a number of us think the opportunity for political gain grows.

    And the defensive line in a football game thinks they are on their way to the quarterback until they realize it was a screen play.

    The progressive democrats, like the Asians, have the ability to look down range farther than the rest of the world. A fifty year plan is just that, a fifty year plan. It may ebb and flow, but it is like a slowly rising tide relentless in its push to overwhelm.

    Here is a link to a UK article. The reporter is seemingly waking for a stupor and realizes his options to be a free man with free will may end on this earth.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/6845967/Therell-be-nowhere-to-run-from-the-new-world-government.html

    So, with Obama as president being the pin pulled from the grenade, we are experiencing the next explosion of statist/Maoist almost demi-godly surge of a relative few people effort to rule the planet. Sounds like a mad scientist moment, but then again if you are in fact being assaulted by mad scientists is it a stretch to say so? There is no other explanation. Obama does not seek justice. He seeks revenge and control. The people behind him are worse, they seek total control under the guise of social justice.

    My Mensa bright buddy said it will collapse as it always does because the human being simply cannot abide slavery forever. I disagreed. Look at Russia’s history. Look at China’s history. Look at the current history of many nations and even the EU. People, by and large, are sheep. As long as they have just enough food, water and shelter they’ll go along. Only when their lives are threatened do to fight back, and that is usually too late.

    The war between classes is ancient. As I have said before, I homeschool my children and one of the courses we are working on is world history. Even in the accounts recorded by the first humans there is an almost immediate reference to “kings.” Then the kings began to consolidate power and pass it on to their blood only. “Those who would rule, and those who would be ruled.” As I teach the course, I make the point over and over that this “war” between the classes is ancient and ongoing. Whether a king gets is power from being a great warrior or a degree at Harvard, he is still a man wishing to rule others.

    Make no mistake, the democrats are more than willing to take one step back for three steps forward. They know even if they are swept from power by 2012, their work will guarantee their return- eventually, and when that happens, it will be forever.

  • wolfster38

    These 60 Senitors don’t care if they get voted out. They will have nice cushy jobs in the insurance and health care sectors. Thats their payoff. And the Republicans could have pushed back a little sooner. Wonder what they get when their voted out of office? most likely the same as the Dems, nice cushy jobs. But with all the bribes that they got if we get elected employees who care, these people might be looking at prison. And we will demand invesigations into the Obama senate, house and White House, You own it Obozo!
    Obama – one term, worst President in American History.
    And History is forever!
    PWOAC President without a clue!

  • AndrewHyman

    ABC News has reported that, “people without health insurance are 40 percent more likely to die than those with private insurance.”

    If this is true, then what’s the GOP’s solution? The House GOP did propose an alternative to Obamacare. But, the Congressional Budget Office found that, by 2019, according to that GOP alternative, ?the number of nonelderly people without health insurance would be reduced by about 3 million relative to current law, leaving about 52 million nonelderly residents uninsured.?

    All I’m saying is that if the GOP would adopt a serious alternative, then there would be a much better chance of defeating Obamacare.