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Where’s Obama’s proof of citizenship?

If he can post his birth certificate on the web, why can't he give it to the court?

By: Dan Spencer (Diary)  |  October 12th, 2008 at 09:57 AM  | 

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Both presidential candidates have been accused of not meeting the Constitutional requirement that only “natural-born” citizens hold the presidency.

Last month a federal judge threw out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone:

Judge William Alsup of Federal District Court ruled late Tuesday that the law at the time of Mr. McCain’s birth automatically granted citizenship to offspring of American citizens.

Mr. McCain’s parents were both citizens when he was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, an American territory where his father was stationed with the Navy.

Obama still faces a legal challenge to his constitutional eligibility to be president. A lawsuit, Berg v. Obama, brought by Philip J. Berg, a Philadelphia attorney, alleges Obama is not eligible to be president.

Instead of producing records proving Obama is a natural born citizen, Obama and the Democratic National Committee have filed a motion seeking a protective order to block production of documents until a motion to dismiss is the law suit is ruled on by the court. Obama and the Democratic National Committee also claim attorney Berg has no standing – has no right – to bring the lawsuit.

What is it that Obama and the Democratic National Committee are trying to hide? Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

Watch the following video, in which Berg talks about his lawsuit:

I repeat, what is it that Obama and the Democratic National Committee are trying to hide? If Obama can post his birth certificate on his website why can’t he provide it to the court?

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  • Rod_Patrick

    For DNC, it’s non-essential.

  • gamecock

    And surely if there were no problem with the place of his birth he would provide the evidence.

    We have our answer, and should Obama ACORN his way to an electoral victory, the nastiness that will be seen from challenges to his legitimacy after he takes the Oath will be dangerous.

    And after Gore set the precedent by taking back his concession to Bush in the 2000 campaign due to Florida, and the selected not elected/bush lied era we are in, the Dems will have to ground to stand on.

  • Azdave56

    That’s it? Three weeks before the election and that’s all you can come up with? No wonder the Republicans are staring at an extended period in the wilderness. Weak.

  • joe24pack

    it’s a certificate of naturalization, which unfortunately for me means I’m constitutionally ineligible for the presidency. That ineligibility does burn me up a bit. I’ve lived in these United States since I was a child, and have been a citizen since I was a teenager. I’ve served honorably as an infantryman in the Army, paid my taxes, served on a federal jury, I adhere to laws in much the same way as others, but since my birthplace is Prague Czech Republic rather than Prague Oklahoma I can’t even throw my hat in the ring. Well enough of that rant.

  • gigi21

    Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. ?It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,? he said. ?It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You?d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.?

    This quote is from a McCain article

    I bet the same is true here. They are going to let it ride.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    I think this inquiry serves the purpose of reinforcing the notion that Obama is a shady shadowy figure that has lied his way to the top.

    But I think trying to derail his candidacy on a technicality is dangerous. the public will revolt against the Republicans if they are too hevay handed here.

  • redneck_hippie

    The One’s arrogance, that is.

    This film speaks for itself. The glaring point to me is that this fits perfectly with the Obama record. Hoping to get over on the American people on a technicality.

    • izoneguy

      let’s talk about the economy first, his dangerous pals second, his record third.

      In baseball it’s three strikes and you are out.

      Don’t let Obama walk around the bases and steal home.

  • SteveLA

    I’m so glad this is a major issue, well maybe not, especially as I watch my retirement savings evaporate in the financial melt down.

    Why this is such an important issue that Senator McCain should not campaign on the real differences between conservatism and liberalism and just focus on these sorts of important issues….Ya that’s the ticket to the winning the White house.

    • QueenOfCups

      We are just innocent by-standers.

      • QueenOfCups

        McCain needs to focus on rebuilding the American Economy – starting with drilling and all the auxiliary industries that will springboard from that activity alone.

        We don’t need no stinkin’ WPA!

  • MrsPankhurst

    Previous lawsuits filed by Philip Berg include one against President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, claiming they knew beforehand of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and one against three U.S. Supreme Court justices to disbar themselves for deciding Bush won the 2000 presidential election against Al Gore.

    • Rod_Patrick

      Why Obama Doesn’t Salute the National Anthem

      This is rather an old news but I think it’s relevant here. We have to link Obama’s citizenship issue with Ayers and Obama’s resistance to salute American Flag and the National Anthem.

      To quote Obama’s response to an inquiring General:

      Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.’We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love.

      It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine’. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.

      *A soon-to-be American President attended a Flag Burning Ceremony? This is a real issue of patriotism. *

      • bs

        They’re the ones who filed the suit, not us. It’s you’re own fellow lefties that you should be beating up.

        • MrsPankhurst

          double post! Not sure how I did that.

  • TX

    And this was the first link:
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

    There’s a photocopy of his birth certificate in the article.

    • bs

      RS 3.0 gets its panties in a wad on occasion. Thankfully it’s getting better.

      • Rod_Patrick

        is nolonger important to Obama and his legions. Seems to me that Barack has an intention to change even the Constitution.

        • BlackSoul

          Thoroughly debunked.

          http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

          • QueenOfCups

            It is a certificate of Live Birth (which merely registers the birth), and it has no official county seal… he has on his website a side by side with this document and someone from Hawaii’s birth certificate and there is a difference.

            I’m not saying I buy into it, or that I think that Berg is a credible source but he is making a compelling argument for which I would be interested in seeing an answer to. It is further interesting that the case has not been dismissed, and if it had no credibility at all, it would have been.

            It is not an argument I would use as a Republican, I think it might be legitimate for the Clinton’s to use with their own party, but if it is out there, and getting some traction how can you not watch the train-wreck?

          • Rod_Patrick

            The source even admitted that the report is erroneous.

          • Rod_Patrick
          • NightTwister

            Only in an alternate universe.

  • Raven

    Where’s my front page?
    http://www.redstate.com/diaries/raven/2008/aug/25/interesting-bombshell/

  • tsquare

    If that is is true legal and certified birth certificate, why not be done with all this and give it to the court, as Dan suggested?

    What about his passport? Did he even have one before entering the Senate? The State department (should) will not issue a passport w/o a certified birth certificate… I could get one… millions of people getting passports for the first time do… why not Obama?

    Makes you go Hmmmmm…

  • TX

    It’s too late in the election cycle for something like this. People are already early-voting and a blanket disqualification like a lack of citizenship should have come out very early in the campaign. I am afraid that people will instead see this is a smear and associate it with the McCain camp.

    • David_Hinz

      i especially liked “I’d Like To Teach The World To Sing.” Next thing you know, he’ll be hawking Coke.

      (can I say that?)

  • Amadek

    This is a poor issue to bring up. It is only going to make Republicans look stupid and petty.

    McCain’s case was less certain. He was not born inside the US. But the opinion of lawyers on both sides was that the constitution means a citizen from birth and does not mean you have to be born inside the US.

    To win this argument it is not simply a matter of proving that Obama was born outside the US. That would also disqualify McCain and put us in quite a pickle. You would also have to prove that his mother was not a US citizen.

    Just drop it.

    • MMan

      things didn’t look so desperate. Events have transpired in an almost perfect storm against John McCain. He cannot be blamed for not having a quick and easy answer to the economic issues that have arisen-NOBODY does. As standard bearer for the party in presidential power, he is going to be the most visible target to blame. This means that his poll numbers are sliding and (some) republicans in desperation start to throw everything at Obama in an attempt to salvage the election. I have read Redstate for a long time, and this kind of nonsense is beneath it.

      • MrsPankhurst

        I assume he must have had a passport before he entered the Senate because according to his Wikipedia entry he and his wife went to Bali in the early 1990s.

        • PaRep

          .

  • birdmojo

    I say this not because the underlying issue may be completely devoid of merit, but, tactically, it’s a non-starter.

    Let us imagine a theoretical voter out there. A voter who is somewhat inclined to vote for Obama who hears this message and says “whoa there, waitaminit!” and decides to vote McCain instead based on THIS piece of information.

    Can you do that? Because I cannot.

    I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to 2nd Amendment issues.

    I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to economy issues.

    I can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to law/order issues.

    I can can imagine voters on the fence who could be swayed due to culture war issues.

    I can not, for the life of me, imagine a single voter on the fence who, upon hearing this information, would say “yeah, I guess I’m going to vote for the other guy instead.”

    Not even one.

  • dt

    I can’t believe that this drivel is on this web site, much less the front page. This is not the stuff with which elections are won and lost. Berg is a nutter. Can we talk about something a little more constructive please?

  • Achance

    The One is beyond citizenship.

    • MMan

      Please accept my apologies for having the temerity to venture an opinion after such a brief time as a member of this site. I see that you have been a member for one month and one week, so you qualify as a seasoned veteran here. Should I wait 3 more weeks before I have your approval?

      • PaRep

        .

        • Amadek

          You don’t respond to this because the guy has a record of filing frivolous lawsuits. You don’t encourage him by taking him seriously.

          • David_Hinz

            and he will calm right down…

            his bite is really much worse than his bark

          • SteveLA

            Yep…truly amazing that this is sort of thing is what Republicans want to run on, and even more amazing that it’s front page.

            I guess real issues related to conservatism vers liberalism are not important anymore, just this sort of really important noise.

            Sad part, it’s only going to get worse as the election draws near.

          • David_Hinz

            Scooby snacks… well, I might have..

          • Amadek

            A certificate of live birth is known as a birth certificate. Unless you were born in the same year and the same county, they may not look alike.

          • MMan

            I am not here to fight with anyone.

          • David_Hinz

            but he is one of YOUR kooks! My guess a dedicated Hillary supporter.

            enjoy the ride…

          • NightTwister

            But I find it interesting that the man as a lot to hide.

          • TX

            I had no idea that the lawyer in this diary was a 9/11 moonbat. I think I will go back to my familiar baptist board.

            Take care, Redstate, and good luck with your future.

          • QueenOfCups

            Because they were born at home with a midwife. I brought them into the county office to register the births a few weeks after the fact.

          • David_Hinz

            Berg is a DEMOCRAT — it is the PUMA DEMOCRATS who are raising the issue.

            have you seen Sen McCain bring it up? Or anyone in the campaign?

            nope, it’s one of your guys…

          • birdmojo

            Can you imagine a SINGLE voter out there who is swaying back and forth between voting for McCain or voting for Obama (or, heck, on the fence between voting for McCain and staying home or on the fence between voting for Obama and staying home) who would have “But Obama didn’t hand out his medical records!” be the final straw?

            I cannot imagine this person.

          • QueenOfCups

            Why are we being blamed for watching the train-wreck and even showing to others?

            There are many interesting elements to this story, not the least of which is Dems eating Dems.

            We like freak shows just as much as the next person. We are only human! :-)

          • mcg

            This is not worthy of such prominence on RedState.

          • QueenOfCups

            n/t

  • Zaphix

    Obama’s campaign isnt hiding anything.

    Obama’s proof of citizenship is right here.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/borninthe_usa.html

    You ask for proof — and proof is given!

    • Amadek

      No, this is being brought up on Redstate. I have not seen it anywhere else.

      • QueenOfCups

        Has nothing to do with Republicans.

        • David_Hinz

          and so you felt compelled to register so that you could comment.

          this has NEVER been brought up before ANYWHERE else but on RedState…

          except, of course by PUMA on a whole host of websites for the past six months

          • Raven

            Ran for office as a Dem and is a member of the Dem Committee of PA…

          • NightTwister

            I can see a reasonable person being concerned enough over someone that is hiding so much, and decided it isn’t worth the risk to vote for him.

            But I will agree that any one of these individually is not enough.

          • Raven

            Not us.

            We’re just enjoying the show…

          • Vegas_Rick

            it’s everywhere. Except the mSM of course.

          • bs

            A key strategy is to destroy the credibility of the enemy. This is yet another way to do it.

            And after all, Sunday is Fun Day.

          • Vegas_Rick

            They ordered Obama to provide the “long form” certificate which is much more difficult to forge because it is not “issued” by the state. It is kept in state records.

            Obama could easily get access to the document and provide it to the court. That would end this whole issue.

            Why doesn’t he do that? Hmmmmm?

          • maverick4prez

            The birth certificate on Factcheck.org and on Obama’s website don’t match. The watermark from Hawaii is in the wrong spot and doesn’t match on both of them.

            I’d also like to point out that Factcheck.org is part of Annenburg Challenge, the organization that Barack Obama worked on with Bill Ayers.

            The truth is the DNC and Obama are hiding A LOT. Release his college transcripts, full birth records, and medical records and let us know who this Barry Dunham, er, Barack Obama is.

          • birdmojo

            If you add a great deal of very silly things to a list of serious things, the result is that the list of serious things becomes much, much sillier.

            The addition of the silly things actually detracts from the serious ones.

            “Obama believes that the handgun laws in DC prior to Heller were reasonable. He believes that these laws, if they were applied to YOU in YOUR swing state, would also be reasonable. You hear people talk about how he’s not anti-gun, but look at the DC gun laws and ask yourself how anyone who calls those laws “reasonable” could be anything but. AND HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE COULD BE A FAKE!!! WHAT IS HE HIDING???”

            You see how that paragraph went all Art Bell at the end? It stopped being something interesting and it started being something about the people who are anti-Obama rather than about Obama himself.

            I mean, hey. The Republicans should do whatever they want, you guys sure as heck don’t need to listen to me.

            But, from an outside observer… this stuff looks exceptionally silly and the result among the swing voter will NOT be “wow, I wonder what Obama is hiding” but “wow, those anti-Obama folks are just picking up anything that isn’t nailed down to throw at him.”

          • NightTwister

            Best to just sit back and let the tin-foil-hat crowd do it. But that doesn’t mean we can’t look at the lot of them and go “hmmmm….”.

  • joe6pack

    Obama is running to be president and McCain is trying to save are country Obama has changed his web site at lest 3 time that I have seen. he will say what ever he needs, to get in power. anyone that has half a brain should see this.what that says about are country remains.

    • AmericanMidge

      Don’t you think that if Obama was not a US Citizen that the FBI, the Secret Service and the NSA would know that by now? I mean for crying out loud he is a US Senator.

      This is grasping at straws just as much as the folks who think McCain should not be eligible.

      Both McCain and Obama are US Citizens and have been more than cleared by our Government.

      • AmericanMidge

        to restore the US Constitution. This was back in 2007 and it was sent to all the Republican and Democrats running. I recall that Hillary Clinton didn’t sign it, but Obama did.

  • Cherie2905

    There has to be a reason Obama does not want to produce his birth certificate to the court. Berg, the attorney who is suing Obama feels it is a forgerry and that Obama is using the birth certificate of his sister. Many people believe the BC Obaama has on his website is authentic because it was validated by factcheck.org, however the blogger TexasDarlin has written an excellent expose about factcheck.org. In her research, Texas Darlin has uncovered that FactCheck.org is owned by The Annenberg Foundation. Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a Division of the Annenberg Foundation that Bill Ayers was instrumental in founding. And they are mostlikely also linked to ACORN! To read her informative blog, go to this link [TexasDralin http://clintondems.com/2008/08/obamas-connections-to-factcheckorg-exposed-by-texas-darlin/]

    • David_Hinz

      Hope — Change (repeat as necessary)

      • Cherie2905

        Obama produced a second certificate upon his return from his vacation in Hawaii. (How convenient!) That document is a Certificate of Live Birth [COLB]as opposed to a “birth certificate” issued at birth.

        • ocleverone

          Unless there is a specific need to know such as committee assignment, etc., it isn’t necessary for any Senator to have a clearance. It isn’t automatically applied for or granted when you become a Senator.

          The requirements for POTUS vary greatly from that of a Senator.

          Senator:

          • At least 30 years old.

          • A U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

          • A resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

          President:

          *Must be 35 or older.
          *Must be a natural born citizen which means that you cannot be a naturalized citizen.
          *Must have been a resident of the US for at least 14 years.

          If Obama doesn’t produce a birth certificate, has anyone gone back and looked to see if there was one in his filing when he ran for Senator?

          • gigi21

            this close at Obama, they are also going to look this close at McCain and Palin (because Palin is more in the news than Biden) and if you look at both of them…there are a lot of stories out there. I really don’t know if undecideds will look at these stories for either candidate.

          • RedChevy64

            The law that applies here is the one in place when he was born:

            Don’t believe me, asks a legal law expert. Already done and linked here:

            http://immigration-law.justanswer.com/questions/1cooa-person-born-august-4

            1. Hawaii became a state in 1959. A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, UNLESS the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat.

            2. Persons born between 12/24/52 and 11/13/86 – If one parent was a US citizen and resided in the US for at least ten years, at least five of which were after age 16, you are a citizen.

            On the first point, Obama’s father was a Kenyan government official. If he was in the US on a diplomat visa then OBAMA is NOT American.

            Obama’s mother was very young, it is not clear she meets the five year requirement.

            If he is a citizen, then why on earth would the DNC try to stop a legal challenge by a prominent democrat? Because they know he isn’t.

            The only stands Obama has ever taken on anything in his life are those that involve hiding his past–his birth, College, Law school, sponsors for college, Illinois senate activities, Ayers, ACORN, everything. Only a fool would continue to turn a blind eye to this fake. I, for one, am not fooled. The fact that the Democrats and media will is a measure of their deceit.

          • dt

            I look forward to a front page discussion of how Obama is an Arab, Muslim, Jihadist Manchurian candidate. That discussion is just as likely to “destroy” his credibility as what is being discussed here. Throw in how he is almost assuredly a Reptilian who assassinated JFK, and this election is over!

  • shawng

    As a matter of national integrity, it’s imperative that this be sorted out before inauguration.

    An unconstitutionally elected President serving in the office would be disastrous on every level. It would destroy confidence in the American system of government that it could be allowed to happen. It would destroy his standing among the leaders of the world if he was an “illegal” ruler.

    Not to mention the question of what would happen? Would he be immediately impeached and forced to resign? With the economy in turmoil now, something like this has the potential to be crippling. And that’s not doom-and-gloom.

    Some 527 needs to join this to see that it’s verified before the election. Not to try to ban him from office, but to head off catastrophe if he gets into office illegally.

  • chemjeff2

    We all know what liberals think about rules. They only support the rules when they reinforce their arbitrary sense of fairness. When the rules don’t, then it’s time to change the rules so that their feelings of fairness prevail. It is the same thing here.

    • gigi21

      see this as settled and that Republicans are going to look like we are grasping at straws and ignoring what is really concerning people. It looks like a desperate move, especially with images (yes–not the physical paper) out there. This sounds like a kooky conspiracy theory.

      • bs

        It’s a conspiracy I tell you!

        • David_Hinz

          of people think Dancing With The Stars is great this season. The “vast majority” of Americans think its COOL that Homer Simpson will be voting in this next election.

          The small minority of people who are paying attention don’t know what to think of the whole thing.

          • bs

            Yowza!

          • dt

            Oh no, it’s true! I for one, welcome our new alien overlords.

          • SteveLA

            Lounge Lizards for Obama!

            Staying Alive…
            Staying Alive…

            Disco’s not Dead!

          • bs

            I was just explaining to my 16-yr-old yesterday what a “lounge lizard” is. My college kid is getting ready to start a radio show on the campus station, and I told him he should play “lounge lizard” music, which was met with a “huh?” stare.

          • Rod_Patrick

            for several reasons:

            1. Obama dissed the flagpin because it reminded of Iraq War.
            2. Obama pre not put his heart the National Anthem and the Flag based on the video/picture of him with Gov. Richardson and Sen. Clinton.
            3. Obama was one of the 30+ senators who voted NO against the Flag Desecration Bill in 2006 that would overturn SC ruling that says “political flag burning is an expression of freedom of speech”.

            But the E-MAIL itself is really a bogus.

          • SteveLA

            Those big lapel virgin polyester suits are coming back along with the ‘fro. I got pictures of mine back in the day, under lock and key.

  • Illinicon

    I think the guy bringing the lawsuit is a wacko, but Obama could have nipped this in the bud by showing the court his birth certificate. I mean all he had to do was spend $15 to overnight it to the judge and get this thrown out. Instead he spends a few K in legal fees drafting up legal motions. I mean the HRC went back and found essays he wrote in Kindergarten, I think if he was born in Kenya they would know it. Its odd for Obama to let this fester.

    • shawng

      And that’s what is so weird about this. All he has to do is fax the paperwork if he’s legal. It’s a slam dunk it’s legitimate. So why is it that everything about him has to be this big mystery?

      I mean, if I was running, and someone did this, it would be simple for me to get the paperwork from Carlton Cty. Courthouse and send it.

      So why can’t Obama? And as far as “perception” goes, the whole problem with the McCain campaign is it’s been awash in ‘perception’ issues all along. It has no course of it’s own. It hasn’t since the day the convention ended.

      But I’m not suggesting the campaign should do this. I’m suggesting that some entity with real standing needs to support this to force the paperwork out. And not to make Obama look bad…but to put an end to the issue for everyone’s good.

  • retrowriter

    I was about to brush this off as conspiracy theorist nonsense… until I did a little homework.

    In a normal campaign, there’s no way this guy should be able to wave these questions away:

    http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

    • duckhawk

      From the DNC’s brief:

      … plaintiff Berg served on Senator Obama?s office a request for production of seventeen different categories of documents, including copies of all of the Senator?s college and law school applications, requests for financial aid, college and law school papers, and ?a copy of your entire presidential file pertaining to being vetted.? Plaintiff also served 56 requests for admission on Senator Obama. On that same date, plaintiff served on the DNC 27 requests for admission and requests for production of five categories of documents, including all documents in the possession of the DNC relating to Senator Obama.

      We can probably agree that delivering all these documents is a burden.

      Obviously, there are good (and not necessarily dishonest) reasons for trying to keep this guy from getting his crazy mitts every piece of paper with Obama’s name on it, ever.

  • kevinforrester

    Attorney Philip J. Berg’s case against Barack Obama, et al., has been given all the attention it may deserve in attorney Kevin Underhill’s legal humor weblog under the category “Fool for a Client”, which is a term commonly used to describe attorneys who represent themselves in litigation.

  • Cherie2905

    If you look at either Obama’s birth certificate or certificate of live birth, they put down father’s race as African. African is not a race it’s a nationality! Back in the early 60.s Obama’s race would have been put down as negro or negroid, not African. There are so many things wrong with his BC and COLB that it is ridiculous. If it was legitimate, Obama would have no reason NOT TO PRESENT IT TO THE COURT!

    According to the constitution, just being born on American soil does not make you an American citizen unless other criteria is met. Obama’s mother was under 19 when he was born (she was 18 and unmarried at the time)and his father was not a US citizen. That means that even if he was born in Hawaii, he would not be a US citizen.

    • phred

      Any US citizen is harmed by a total disregard of the Constitution. Are we to rely only on a gentleman’s word in this matter? Is there no point that such a basic and well defined qualification is not subjected to authoritative scrutiny?

      Mayun!

      • IJB

        The idea that a voting citizen wouldn’t have standing in this case is ludicrous.

        That legal experts would even make such a claim shows how much judicialism, and the entire concept of legal “scholarship”, has degenerated to the point where it’s actually injurious to the entire concept of this nation.

        • gigi21

          Did they distinguish between US citizens (negroid) and people who are from the continent of Africa…I would think they would want to make that distinction in a hospital.

          • gigi21

            was about McCain’s citizenship, and why that court case might be tossed…and it was tossed. I’m just saying that the Obama team might be going to the same outcome.

          • Cherie2905

            Africa is a continent, African is a nationality. Look it up.

          • Cherie2905

            There area 3 main races in the world: NEGRO, CAUCASIAN, ASIAN, some refer to the races as black, white and asian. A registrar of births would never list African as a race!

          • Gumby87

            a birth certificate is produced showing he was born in Kenya? What are the implications?

          • Gumby87

            a birth certificate is produced showing he was born in Kenya? What are the implications?

  • Annie1

    They will try to delay any legal actions on this until after the Election. Wish everyone would do some research and post a blog. Believe Obama’s past has been hidden for years – think he was groomed, mentored and trained for the Presidential Election.

    I believe the election will come down to a man’s character and reputation – thus far Obama’s about a minus 10. As Always, Annie

    • Rod_Patrick
      • Rod_Patrick

        This is what I meant:

        Obama did not place his right hand on his heart during a singing of the National Anthem as shown by the video/picture of him alongside with Gov. Richardson and Sen. Clinton.

  • Lammo

    is the proper response to this suit IF the facts and/or law are on your side. I’ve been a criminal prosecutor for 21+ years but I still remember enough of my civil procedure (2nd highest grade in my class) to know that the way to stop Berg’s suit dead in it’s tracks is to produce the birth certificate (an official, certified copy from the State of Hawaii) along with a motion for summary judgment. The criminal analogue would be for the defendant charged with murder to produce the alleged victim alive or for the alleged car thief to produce a valid title in his name. Any other move is trying to get off on a technicality. Now, I’m not a conspiracy theorist (I don’t see black helicopters) but it seems to me that The One and his cronies have more than enough money on hand to put a courier on a plane to Hawaii with directions to bring back the certificate and plenty of lawyers who know how to write a motion for summary judgment. That they haven’t done so makes me think Berg may just be a blind pig (who found an ACORN?).

    If you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have the law, pound the law. If you don’t have either, pound the table.

    Of course, all of the above plus $3.50 may only get you a latte. Oh well.

    • moprwalt

      jhon kerry had a substantial lead going into the final stretch. doubt about his truthfulness were his unduing. the polls have shifted 4 points toward Mccain if you can believe any of them. he (obama) should produce the documents and put it to rest. if not it becomes one more doubt voters will take into the booth. if he just tries to ride it out it may be his own swiftboat experience.Walt

      • moprwalt

        with the economy set to goe to record lows and the current losses on wallstreet not yet absorbed. this shoulds be the OBAMA CAMPAIGN SLOGAN HOPE! CHANGE!!! follow ME and when i’m through with you you’ll hope you have change left for a bowl of SOUP!walt

        • moprwalt

          Obama Admitted using Cocaine in his book!!Walt

          • moprwalt

            It’s the top of the ninth inning we’re down 3-0 bases loaded. we need to our batter to hit a grand slam on the economy in the next debate. then run his questionable character into the stratophere.Walt

  • rford

    The plaintiff didn’t just ask Obama to produce a birth certificate. He served requests for seventeen categories of documents, including copies of Obama’s college and law school applications, requests for financial aid, college and law school papers, and “a copy of your entire presidential file pertaining to being vetted,” whatever that means. Of the DNC, he requested five categories of documents, including all documents relating to Obama. He also served 83 requests for admission. All of these things are a major pain in the ass to answer, and it seems clear that few of them relate to whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president.

    Moreover, the motion is merely to stay the request until after the court rules on the motion to dismiss, which is entirely proper. The motion to dismiss argues that the lawsuit cannot proceed in federal court, just as McCain’s did in his lawsuit. If granted, there is no need for any discovery, as the case will already have been resolved.

    Litigation is frequently abused and used to launch fishing expeditions, hoping to find an embarrassing document among the opponent’s records. It’s entirely normal for Obama and the DNC to resist this.

  • VioletTiger

    because it would just make the republicans look silly. Still, I think this would have had no traction at all if Obama had been more open with his paperwork from college, etc. His secrecy makes people suspicious. Even though the suit asks for a lot of paperwork, providing the vault copy of the bc would have shut a lot of people up. I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t want this to go away since even ridiculous notions may go viral. In this very interesting election, it makes a interesting sideshow.

    • Lammo

      and in this instance I don’t need to. My point is that if you can make the whole thing go away by filing one document, in this case the birth certificate, why would you spend all of the time and money employing the all of the standard delay and resistance tactics? Unless, of course, The One is just going along with what his lawyers are telling him and letting them run up the bill, which raised its own questions about his judgment.

      • moprwalt

        if it goes as gloated in the main left stream news the democratic party with take over the senate and both houses of congress. if this should happen they should remember the public has long thought little of congress and lately even less of the occupants of the whitehouse. with the economy going full bore south, they will print money and throw it at every concievable problem and take over control of the nations economy. inflation will follow stiffling the value of any recovery. they will simply point fingers at thier fellow democrats and blame them for being to conservative, who would guess? after that they’ll perform the ol patomac two step and say the presidents (who if elected as predicted would be a democrat)economic policies are breaking the country, tripling the debt, and placing the tax burden on their grandchildren.and if all else fails they’ll bail out the banks and propose a robust economic stimulus package. after it fails the american public would see they need more HOPE and CHANGE and oust the dastardly democrats on thier ears? it works every two and four years sometimes to little or no effect, it just makes the lobbists work harder for thier earmarks.Walt

        • moprwalt

          Well it proves he is an equal opportunity conspiracy theorist. move over Oliver W Stone. Walt