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Guantanamo Bay detainee transferred to New York

Now we know where Obama will put the terrorists

By: Dan Spencer (Diary)  |  June 9th, 2009 at 07:57 AM  | 

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So it begins. The Obama administration has made its first transfer of a detainee at the terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to United States soil.

Ahmed Ghailani, arrived in New York early Tuesday to be tried in federal court in lower Manhattan for his role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed more than 224 people.

Ghailani’s transfer to New York trial is an important first step in the implementation President Obama’s decision to close the terrorist detention center at Guantanamo Bay even though we still haven’t been told where Obama will put the terrorists when he closes GITMO.

According to military prosecutors, after the August 7, 1998, bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, Ghailani worked for Al Qaeda as a document forger, trainer at a terror camp and bodyguard to bin Laden, according to military prosecutors. He was categorized as a high-value detainee by U.S. authorities after he was captured in Pakistan in 2004 and was transferred to the detention center at the U.S. naval base in Cuba two years later.

Obama brings this Guantanamo detainee to the United State, despite the fact that by a better than 2-to-1 margin, Americans oppose closing the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention facility and moving some of those prisoners to the United States:

Americans are especially resistant to closing the prison and transferring the terrorism suspects to prisons in their own states — only 23% favor this, while 74% are opposed. That represents a nine-point falloff from the 32% who support moving prisoners to the United States (with no specific location mentioned). Thus, even a segment of Americans who in general support closing Guantanamo are opposed to moving its terrorism suspects to prisons in their own “backyard.”

Once again, as with the $50 billion bankruptcy/bailout of General Motors, Obama demonstrates he will do whatever his liberal left-wing extremist supporters want, regardless of what most Americans think.

At least now we know where Obama will put the terrorists.

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  • http://keydesignsllc.com bkeyser

    Does anyone get the feeling this is an “I’ll show you” act of a child?

  • smitch61

    It is amazing at what we are witness to. It is also amazing that FOX news is the only media outlet on television covering this. If you are not connected to the internet, you definitely are not in the loop that is for sure.

  • smitch61

    My post above was meant for the article on Hillary’s Jihad friend.

  • larryp

    you are in the cross-hairs

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    But like I wrote weeks ago, the President has the power to transfer all of them to the US despite Congress’ refusal to allocate money to “close” Gitmo. The only way they can stop Obama is to pass a law prohibiting their transfer.

    • LibRick

      You succinctly cut through the mud and get to the law and matters thereof.

      • Mike gamecock DeVine

        we kept all pow’s and illegal enemy combatants here and even tried some of the latter before tribunals and executed them. Their was no Commander in Chiefs on the Supreme Court then with 4 extra votes. The illegals gained no rights by being on US soil.

        That was thought to have changed, and no doubt the proximity to lawyers in the this war ignorant softer state does pose problems, hence Gitmo.

        But with the Commander in Chief Anthony Kennedy’s precedents now, Gitmo is no different that US soil and so now, their is no PRESENT legal distinction by bringing them here just like WWII, the only change being that they have more rights here than they did then.

        But even Obama has not given up the court precedent that allows them to be held indefinitely as POWs, till the war is over.

      • Mike gamecock DeVine

        who they want in federal court and not have to try any and all POWs, as that would be madness. And thankfully the sup ct has not required that.

        • Mike gamecock DeVine

          trying some in federal civilian courts, those that they are confident they can win. Moreover, Obama has maintained the policy, allowed even by recent, Commander in Chief Anthony Kennedy and 4 conservative generals, precedent that even of they lose criminal trials, whether in civilian courts or war tribunals, that they can hold the detainee until the war is over, whether they convict and sentence to death or years in prison even after the war is over, or they are acquitted.

          The main lesson from this move is that Obama retains the power, and should, absent Congressional prohibition, to transfer pows where he pleases.

          If Congress wants to stop it, they can. But they can?t do it merely by denying funds to ?close? Gitmo. They have the Article One enumerated power to set policy on such prisoners.

          • LibRick

            be substantively similar to that of both Bush and Obama’s. It’s most interesting that the Obama administration legal people conclude that Bush was following an appropriate legal course. Always good to have lawyers opine on the law.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    let those who have created this policy have to worry about the consequences.

    • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

      Let those who have shown they are soft on terror reap the consequences of their actions. One would think New York of all places would have learned from the last attack.

      • LibRick

        you actually would wish any American city to “reap the consequences.” Kyle8 stated “worry about the consequences.” You elevated it a lot.

        No one should say “Let those who have shown they are soft on terror reap the consequences of their actions.” I though we were all Americans. Advocating punishment for those who do not view things as you do does not seem productive nor in the interests of America.

        • janis

          pick a city for a terrorist to hit, it wouldn’t be Nashville, Tn, or Atanta, Ga. More likely it would be San Francisco. And I think it’s a visually gorgeous place, just decadent and morally bankrupt beyond belief. Not to mention anti-American and anti-military.

          • LibRick

            The point is you don’t have to pick a city nor should you. Under duress, if I were forced to choose, I would say none. Period.

          • janis

            consequence. Places like San Francisco have supported the rights of terrorists over the rights of our soldiers, the lives of our soldiers, and the safety of all of our troops. They have repeatedly done all that they could do to disrespect the military. Guess who will be the first citizens demanding the National Guard’s help in the event of a major earthquake? And guess who will be howling the loudest if San Francisco should get hit with a terrorist attack?

            Like I said, I wish nothing tragic like this on any American city, but should it happen anywhere, it should happen in the places where the citizens hate our troops who fight for their freedom and safety, and where the same citizens march to support terrorists and the rights of the thugs who want to kill us. Burying their heads in the sand won’t stop the jihadists from finding them and cutting them off.

          • mom2oneson

            I think the internet makes people meaner than they are, I really don’t think y’all think death and suffering”serves them right” for voting in a democrat, I’m sure you wouldn’t say to a victim it serves you right while they are in agony in a burn unit. Even if you do think like this, which is incomprehensible to me, in any disaster it’s the most vulnerable groups that suffers the most ~ eldlery, the sick, the hospitalized, children with preoccupied parents, the people with special medical needs at home, the elderly ladies that don’t have transportation to get theri medications, family of hosptiatlized children, etc. I don’t really think in real life any of you think like this you are not evil hearted to wish suffering and death on others for being misguided.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth
          • LibRick

            You said it better than I ever possibly could. In a paragraph, you say what would take me an essay. I’m humbled by your wisdom and writing skill. Your family is lucky to have someone like you guiding them and we’re lucky to have you here..

          • Harold Vaughn

            any measurement the cities that have been listed are the ones that come to the front of the mind for sowing the garbage that is distroying the foundations of this nation. I wish no ill or suffering against any person on the face of this planet whether they be American or otherwise, but the truth still remains self evident that you will reap what you sow.

          • Harold Vaughn

            of the Obama seed that America just planted!

          • LibRick

            then why state it. It should be stated in the full context of the desired meaning. Otherwise, how can anyone else take it. Do you disagree?

          • Aaron Gardner
          • LibRick
          • Harold Vaughn
          • janis

            banquet for the Gold Star families of Marines KIA back in Sept. of 2005. Talking to the mothers, fathers, and siblings of these warriors who fought for us was a very sobering two hours. Their sons and brothers lost their lives in a fight for freedom while the liberals back here marched in protest, called these same warriors “murderers and baby-killers.” And they called the President who led them a stupid cowboy, a thug and a liar. Their constant calls for the United States to pull out and surrender to the jihadists and insurgents caused even more of our good men and women to die on the battlefield and in suicide bombing attacks as the enemy took strength and comfort from hearing the left so constantly say the same thing they were saying themselves.

            For the Left now to ask us to all “support one another and be one for all and all for one” is just a bit too rich for me to stomach as these same people continue the job of destroying this country, the same country that the same honorable military members are still fighting to protect. What will be left for them to come home to? What will be left to fight for in the future? A country as enslaved in tyranny and injustice and poverty for all as the countries they are currently fighting in?

            No, I do not wish death and suffering on anyone, but it will come nevertheless and it will be hastened and emboldened by the same Left that emboldened our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
            “Being misguided” is a term you use for those who voted for Obama because they listened to the MSM. “Evil” is the term I use for those like Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Evan Thomas, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, etc.—those who are in positions to influence others or in positions that directly affect the direction that this country will take now and in the future. And Barack Obama is the leader of them all.

          • LibRick

            you come from and I think you know I really respect your opinions.

            But hey, I live in the SF bay area. The media portrays SF as this far left liberal bastion. That may be good for tourism and talking points but it’s not reality. SF is a 7×7 mile square. Much of it consists of conservative business and blue-collar people.

            The adjacent areas, the Peninsula, brought everyone the Internet as it is today — Yahoo, Cisco, Google, Hewlett Packard, etc,. Our metropolitan area has contributed a lot, many of the things you use and take for granted today. Lockheed and the company I work for are huge here and provide vital defense and communication systems for all Americans. SF even has a yearly Navy fleet week to honor our sailors. The greater bay area view embraces a meritocracy and leans more toward libertarianism.

            So please, don’t put us first on the list for annihilation. The work done my area helps you make cell calls, surf the Net, see HD programming, and shoot down hostile missiles. I sure your area provides much of of what America needs too. Let’s be “all for one and one for all” as it relates to America…but our debate is necessary and does make it all that we are possible.

            And…I do take your points to heart!

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            Although it’s certainly helpful to remind the RS readership that the greater Bay Area is not equal to SF + Berkeley. I wouldn’t exactly call the Bay Area an hotbed of libertarianism from my experience (though maybe it’s different in your region).

            But it’s not like you need to come up with a list of reasons why the Bay Area is not deserving of being first on the list of nuke targets (as though you want another city to be first) – there really shouldn’t be any such list in reality.

            (Though at times it’s hard to resist writing up fantasy “serves them right” lists – in all sorts of areas of life, not just politics.)

            Hope you spotted my earlier comment below.

          • LibRick

            my argument, I apologize. I might have gotten a bit defensive as I saw some opinion that the area that my family lives in to be up for sacrifice based on misrepresentations. And, if you read my posts, you would see that I’m not willing to put any American city on the block at all.

            That is why I made my statements about the Bay Area, ostensibly, to help others understand that this area is not what the media portrays.

            I doubt you would disagree with my assertion on the libertarian mind set as relates to Silicon Valley. I appreciate that you help me to sharpen and focus my argument but maybe you might want to chime in on whether one American city is more deserving than another for a first strike and thus address the greater point.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            I’ve already supported your statement that no American city deserves to be attacked.

            I’d assumed that statement would include as a corollary that no American city is more deserving than another of a first strike, but if you want me to spelll that out then, yes I agree with that second point as well.

          • janis

            and I’m certain that Sodom and Gomorrah had some nice industries, too. I’ve spent a fair amount of time in S.F. in the mid to late 70′s when I lived in Reno and needed to see some greenery from time to time after months of being in the arid climate of Nevada. As I said before, it’s a gorgeous place visually.

            As for the conservatives that you say live there, where have their voices been over the past few years? As to being “all for one and one for all”, that’s an attitude that has only recently become popular on your side. When R’s were in power, it was constantly “We’re for us and we hope you die.” Excuse me for not being able to so instantly hop onboard the Love Train to Nowhere.

            I’m all for America, the America I grew up in, the America I hoped to pass on to my grandchildren and their children. But thanks to the actions of liberals and weak-spined, unprincipled Republicans, that America is in danger of being utterly demolished. Pardon my bitterness, Rick, but I find it increasingly difficult to maintain even civility towards those who elected the man who is POTUS now.

          • LibRick

            ….must have been a salt-sculpture.com. Janis, I do appreciate the reference but in the strict sense of scripture, I was trying to point out that in my area, a good man can be found.

            Bottom line, I read your stuff, you’re a great American and you would probably be the first to rally to the cause if the west coast were ever attacked. You may not rhetorically say it …but I know you would.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            …before the outside authorities made things a bit too hot for them there. :)

          • LibRick

            …you just wear me down..and darn you for doing it!

          • janis

            We are the first to reach out a hand to help someone up and, yes, of course I would do whatever I could to help in the event that ANY American city was struck in a terrorist attack. It’s only those who are accustomed to letting the gov. do everything for them who sit and wait for the gov. to show up to help. Tennessee is the “Volunteer ” state, and we take that nickname seriously. It’s also a state that is now redder than it has been since Reconstruction. So, not only can we show up to help rebuild places that are destroyed, we can come ARMED to shoot the looters.

            Nice, that………

          • LibRick

            Actually, from a previously discussion with you I researched Tennessee for our retirement.

            Please know, I’m one of the few liberals here. When I challenge statements, it helps me form my own opinions and I’ve posted on how essential I think that is. I would hope that in a small way I push you guys to articulate your own statements in greater depth. I think it’s always more beneficial to debate than to speak to the choir.

            I like that you and many others challenge me more than I could possibly challenge you. Helps me learn.

        • molybdanthan

          SusieQ makes a valid point:

          “One would think New York of all places would have learned from the last attack.”

          They’re not going to be happy when we tell them “we told you so.”

          • LibRick

            for a “we told you so moment.”

          • mom2oneson

            nt

          • Aaron Gardner
          • LibRick

            Aaron, I’m positive you know that those who brought this on were the terrorists that attacked American cities. These cities did nothing to deserve it. I blame the terrorists, not the victims of their work. No American should wish harm on our own people or cities. If one does then they should take a time out to focus and reassess their rhetoric.

          • Achance

            Democrat Administration that gave every indication that AQ could pull the tiger’s tail at will and the most the tiger would do was put a million dollar missile up a camel’s butt or bomb an aspirin factory to make it look like they’d done something. Now, Comrade Obama has managed to make WJC look agressive by comparison in protecting American’s interests. I still maintain the only thing that is saving the US from mulitiple coordinated attacks is the fact that the Islamists are smart enough to know that Comrade Obama is their greatest asset and ally and will give them what they want, but if they strike, public pressure here may cause him to be unable to deliver.

          • LibRick

            but let’s not spend too much time picking and posturing on the quality of shrapnel from the camel’s butt. Maybe we should act as one so we can slay the camel. That starts with Americans loving America first with a common unity.

            Could we stipulate that any attack on any part of America is a personal attack on all of us? That’s the only point I’ve been trying to get across. Is that now just a liberal thing?

          • Aaron Gardner
          • LibRick

            All you lost is 2 election cycles in just a 3 year time frame, and on each, not by much. You guys rip the media lies but sometimes it seems you buy into them as well. Conservatives are as viable as they have ever been. Sad that a lib sees that more than some of you do.

          • Vegas_Rick

            I think he means “here” as our current state of national affairs: On the edge of the socialist cliff, suffering an apologetic and weak kneed foreign policy, etc.

          • Aaron Gardner
          • Aaron Gardner

            See Vegas Rick’s clarification.

          • Achance

            is trying to “remake” America into. That “remake” is his word, not mine. In fact, I hate the very notion of that country and the people who want that country. I’m not one of those nice Rotary Club Republicans who thinks that he can be friends with Democrats and their lackies. I’ve been through transitions to Democrat governments and been on their hit lists. I have first hand knowledge of just how evil their operatives are and frankly learned to survive and even prosper by being meaner than they are. I was studying Alinsky before it was cool and in fact before most Republicans and conservatives had even heard of Rules for Radicals or post-modernist philosophy as it applies to polical action. My revolution carries its own morality too.

          • LibRick

            But I bet if the bombs and bullets were flying anywhere in America, you’d be one of the first to volunteer to fight. You might not agree with the political leanings of those under attack but having read much of your stuff, you probably couldn’t help yourself.

          • Tbone

            and these people are engaged in treasonous acts with the expressed intent of destoying the American way of life. I have zero regard for the value of their lives because, by their choice, they ceased to be Americans.

            And yes, I have no problem ranking American cities as some being more “deserving” of the retribution brought by a terrorist attack than others as there are cities that harbor a significantly higher percentage of this anti-American scum than others. We do reap what we sow both individually and collectively.

            My perfect world is where there would be no ranking possible because all cities would be inhabited by real Americans without those that can be called Americans by accident of birth.

            So don’t preach the Kumbaya unless you want to be part of the real “one Nation”.

          • Tbone

            and these people are engaged in treasonous acts with the expressed intent of destoying the American way of life. I have zero regard for the value of their lives because, by their choice, they ceased to be Americans.

            And yes, I have no problem ranking American cities as some being more “deserving” of the retribution brought by a terrorist attack than others as there are cities that harbor a significantly higher percentage of this anti-American scum than others. We do reap what we sow both individually and collectively.

            My perfect world is where there would be no ranking possible because all cities would be inhabited by real Americans without those that can be called Americans by accident of birth.

            So don’t preach the Kumbaya unless you want to be part of the real “one Nation”.

          • LibRick

            you administer to determine a “true American?” And if you did aren’t you just moving the ranking from city to person.

            Don’t get me wrong, You more than meet my criteria of a true American but who am I to arbitrarily exclude others. I kind of look at it as a freedom thing.

          • Vegas_Rick

            Liberals, in my experience, are the most intolerant and divisive people on earth. Were we all one country, singing Kum ba ya, during the GWB years? How many liberals had vile hateful things to say after the deaths of conservatives like Tony Snow?

            I like you Rick. But your liberalism is coloring your view of your cohorts.

          • LibRick

            to join the Kum ba ya chorus. Crap, I don’t even know the verses. And, I can’t tell you what makes a liberal. On you side, the debate is in process about what makes a conservative.

            The only real common ground is what we are as Americans. If I’m a squish for believing in that, so be it.

          • Vegas_Rick

            Are the vile hateful attacks that were and are continually being launched at Governor Palin and her family coming from Americans with whom I share common ground? I think not! Were the people who dug through Joe the Plumber’s life in an attempt to belittle him for daring to stand up to the One Americans with who I share common ground? Not this week. Is the idiot who shot Dr. Tiller to death an American with whom I share common ground? Hell no. Even though most libs will never believe that. Do I share common ground with the “American” who shot and killed Pvt Long? I’m a retired Army Combat Engineer 1SG. What do you think? And, I do not share common ground with democrats, Republicans or any other people of any other idiology, who thinks this country needs to be “re-made” or that the constitution is a living document that must be re-enterpreted in light of todays “realities.”

            Having taken the opportunity to vent a little, let me say this.

            I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND BELIEVE ANYONE ON THIS SITE WISHES HARM ON ANY OTHER AMERICAN. We don’t act that way. When was the last time you heard of liberal public figure peronally attacked and reviled like Sara Palin? Never. There is no moral equivalency between conservates and liberals. There never will be ’cause most on the left are simply too hateful.

          • LibRick

            “I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND BELIEVE ANYONE ON THIS SITE WISHES HARM ON ANY OTHER AMERICAN.” I agree and would stake anything on that statement. .Bam! There’s a point of our common ground. — ( I actually agree with most of what you stated) My contention concerned a bit of overreaching on the rhetoric.

            So there are liberals (at least one) that agree with you. All journeys start with one step…maybe that was that a little too much Kum Ba Yaish…

          • Vegas_Rick

            You’re not the stereotypical liberal. You’re reasonable, open minded, have demonstrated a respect for the facts and can disagree without being disagreeable.

            Til next time. :)

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            I am not sure if I could feel that way anymore. You greatly underestimate the damage done by the left haters in the last eight years. I literally would feel more at home with people from another country whom I did not not know than most left wingers. The hatred, bile, and lies I heard thrown at good people made me sick. And now that they have power they are certainly using it to rip us off as much as humanly possible.

            I hate what I have become but in the interest of honesty I don’t think I would shed a tear if some hate spewing place like San Francisco got hit by the very scumbags they all want to protect and embrace.

          • LibRick

            grandma lived in San Francisco? Would you shed a tear then?

            Kyle, you’re a really honest person and I get your point. But dividing does not fix the problem. We don’t have to be one on politics, but we need to be one with regard to american soil. Otherwise, then lets just dissolve the union. America is the union and, warts and all, it’s the best country in the history of the world and I glad to be part of it.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            really I mean that, I no longer want to call the kind of people who live in New York, DC, and San Fransisco my countrymen.

            I regard them as my enemies. They lie, they steal from me, they hate me, they want to make me a slave to the government, they make common cause with America hating Jihadists, and they kill babies. Why should I care for them?

          • Slightly_Askew

            Luckily for me, it’s just a short trip either north or south to a state that has already made their intentions clear about the power of the federal government.

          • LibRick

            It always does and America will abide, but only if we all keep faith in our union. To split would end America and diminish the constituent parts. Epluribus unum … out of many one.

          • Aaron Gardner

            politically the left in America has a history of weakening the military and intelligence services and capitulating to the demands of terrorists and dictators. By those political actions they brought a lot of this on. And to be frank, those who voted for Obama will suffer the consequences but they won’t be alone. As was once said in a book I read, “the rain falls on the just and unjust alike”.

          • LibRick

            But you again bring up popular “truism” that characterizes the left and Obama as appeasers. What “substantive” difference that goes to our foreign policy has really been changed?

            The left is mad as heck with Obama for following Bush policy. Please exclude GITMO because it’s divisive ancillary hotbed political issue. (Basically its become the where and not they why)

            Even though it’s political. why has the dialog been acceptably degraded to the level of; which American cities are up for sacrifice? Are people so scared that they would sacrifice their own? I would hope people, not politicians, would speak out in defense of all our good cities. Political parties are NOT America. The people are, and that’s all of us, in every city.

          • Aaron Gardner

            That is idiotic and highly dangerous.

            They have brought terrorist onto U.S. soil in the dead of night at the objections of the people and our representatives in Congress.

            They have blurred the line even further as to why we are even in a war by refusing to acknowledge that we are in a global war against a terrorist perversion of the religion of Islam.

            The have refused to secure our borders regardless of intelligence say that the southern border could be used by AQ and other affiliated groups.

            They have debased our money, they have destroyed entire industries through over regulation and more so complicated and sometimes contradictory measures.

            They have vilified all things conservative or moderate about the Republican Party and President Bush and VP Cheney for the last 7 years and counting.

            They have gone to Syria and undermined the Bush adminstration goals in the middle east.

            I could keep going all day long.

          • LibRick

            those of us in New York, San Francisco, and Chicago, as alluded to up-post? I must be a phenomenal multi-tasker. Work my job, destroy America and still have time to walk the dog.

          • Aaron Gardner

            The context of the discussion isn’t about the physical places alone in a vacuum, it’s about the political philosophy that dominates those areas and the culture it creates in addition to the effect they have on weakening America.

            Can you figure out who they are now, or do you want to cross the line between respected lefty lurker to antagonistic disingenuous troll?

            Your choice.

            I don’t do cute.

          • LibRick

            and I am aware of the context of the discussion. I was replying directly to your specific post. The proverbial “they” is wide ranging, especially with regard to a political philosophy of any type.

            Perhaps you would agree that the upper and lower limit boundaries for “they” varies among individuals even within a same super-set political philosophy. I was merely asking for a clarification of the boundaries as you perceive them.

            For the reasons above, I don’t think that I crossed the line to be tagged as an “antagonistic disingenuous troll.” However, your last statement, “I don’t do cute” made me reread my post and I would concur that I got way too cute on my last sentence. For that I apologize to you.

            Am I a lurker or a troll… I guess that’s your choice.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            No American should wish harm on our own people or cities. If one does then they should take a time out to focus and reassess their rhetoric.

            My rhetoric isn’t going to get Americans killed.

            Foolish choices to carry out campaign rhetoric for appearances sake very well may.

          • Aaron Gardner
          • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

            n/t

          • molybdanthan

            We’ve got a group of demagogues in charge that has demonstrated a willingness to feed their own constituents to the wolves. They’ve deceived through propaganda, attacked anyone who voices dissent, and won’t lose any sleep if more lives are lost in the achievement of their personal ambitions.

            So naturally we’re to blame for raising concerns.

          • LibRick

            the real evil and deserve the brutal retribution of left leaning cities being attacked? I thought America was unified against the real terrorists who actually killed Americans. Wow!

          • janis

            Good Lord, Rick, where have you been for the last 8 years? You somehow missed Ward Churchill calling the victims from 9/11 “Little Eichmanns”? You somehow missed Michael Moore and Co. calling our troops terrorists and thugs, yet referring to the insurgents in Iraq as “freedom fighters”? You somehow missed John Murtha calling honorable Marines in Haditha “cold blooded murderers”?

            And did you also miss the one page ad in the NYT referring to General Petraeus as “General Betrayus”? Again, I have to ask, where have you been ?

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            Particularly since I use this point when leftista blame Americans for bad behavior by foreign actors, I respond that the perpetrators are responsible for their actions, not America. Which I argue means that American cities don’t deserve to be attacked (even if arguendoyou believe that the U.S. has done actions to evoke legitimate grievances).

            So to be consistent, the flip side here is that terrorists are responsible for their actions, not Americans for voicing opinions, distasteful as I may find them. (Of course, material assistance is a different matter, but that wouldn’t apply to a whole city, at least not yet.)

            Nonetheless, a lot of us on the right are intensely distressed by the behavior that Janis outlined below, which does finad resonate support with a substantial audience on the left. Not that this makes left-leaning cities like SF deserving of attack, but it sure does raise into question your assertion that America is united against the real terrorists.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth
          • LibRick

            But as you said, ” …terrorists are responsible for their actions, not Americans for voicing opinions” Your disagreement is part of our “American” system. Dialog, debate and even rhetorical argument is fine as to policy.

            I would submit that when you take the tack that one or more American cities are more deserving of attack is capitulation to the larger argument by way of denying the premise or the issue of keeping America, all of America, safe.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            But I don’t see anywhere that I’ve argued for a ranking of American cities by “deserving of attack”.

            What I did question wais an assertion of “all America is united” when the fever-swamps of the left (and you’re certainly far from those swamps) view America as culpable for terrorist acts or even as the real terrorists – and a fair portion of these pooh-pooh or even downright deny a jihadist movement that would wish to attack America.

            Now is certainly is arguable as to the percentage of the left that fits that bill – (and certainly the right has its fever swamps too) – but when you’ve got people like John Murtha publically convicting our marines without trial and refusing to recant as they are being acquited and when I’ve see the level of support that Ward Churchill has for his “little Eichmanns” slander, then I say that the “unity” claim has frayed past its breaking point.

          • LibRick

            and you totally know I can’t disagree nor argue with you there….because your are really good! Take a nice big bite of the topic at hand. The question is: “Should we wish harm on an American city for accepting a Guantanamo detainee for trial?” What say you?

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            I answered it above also at a bit more length.

            It’s a problem when we’re conversing at multiple points in the thread.

            And I haven’t been trying to be evasive, I thought I’d already had given my answer in my original comment when I wrote.

            Which I argue means that American cities don?t deserve to be attacked…

        • larueladue

          they obviously intended to punish those who were responsible for the Bush years, don’t care to promote productive behavior, and don’t have the interests of America at heart.

          I have no sympathy for enemies… and we are at war.

    • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

      lol

  • Tbone

    David Patterson. It would be a fair trade.

  • mbecker908

    New Yorkers can expect something like the following…

    • LibRick

      great if all terrorist attempts ended this way!

      • mbecker908

        more I think you’re in for a sudden epiphany. 8)

        • LibRick

          since I’m a lib would that be silly putty?

  • snewb098

    Like they did when they did the Airforce one fly-over?

  • thirteen28

    This will backfire on Obama big time if this guy gets off on a jury trial – a distinct possibility considering where he’ll be tried.

  • johnt

    so I doubt I will see the end of this murderer’s trial. Figure at a minimum three years. Figure also on the anti-American, American media delicately taking up his cause, carefully, with complaints about due process, access to intelligence the whole bit.
    I can’t figure out the call for Bush being tried as a war criminal, heard among the precincts of the left, and the handling of this case. It only makes sense when you conclude that Bush is hated more than an islamic mass murderer. An insight into the souls of our very own degraded fifth column.