Congratulations to the House Democrats, and their eight Republican abettors, on the passage of the Waxman-Markey cap and trade tax climate change legislation.
Today’s victors are to be congratulated for demonstrating that by using dilatory tactics, such as posting the “final” version of a 1,200 page bill the night before the vote, issuing a 300 page amendment to the 1,200 page bill after 3:00 a.m., and allowing only five hours of debate, it is possible to pass a cap and trade tax plan. A plan that presidential candidate Obama said will cause electricity rates to “necessarily skyrocket“ and will bankrupt anyone who builds a coal-powered plant. And show that it is possible to pass such a plan with a whopping seven vote margin - 219-212, with less than 4% of the favorable votes coming from the loyal opposition and more than 20% of the negative votes coming from the majority party.
It does make wonder what is hidden in all those pages that no Representative really had a chance to read, let alone study, that made the Democrats so determined to avoid a real honest to goodness debate.
They won. They also own it.
SoFiMil Friday, June 26th at 11:01PM EDT (link)I, unfortunately, will have to pay the price.
http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
It won't pass
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:19PM EDT (link)Nothing to fear for you guys, at least not yet.
Hard to imagine this will even make the Senate floor anytime soon.
I wish I could feel so sure, but
kyle8 Friday, June 26th at 11:25PM EDT (link)the senate is dominated by the same type of people, out of control left wingers and turncoat “moderate” republicans.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
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In the interest from full disclosure,
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:36PM EDT (link)I’m a liberal and would like to see this legislation pass.
That said, it would have to meet a standard I don’t believe it can meet. Not only that, some of the Dems who voted against it (e.g., cloud-nine Kucinich) cited it as not being strong enough.
My theory is that this bill got floated as a trial balloon to Blue Dog Dems and Moderate Pubs for the real battle: health care reform.
Read the bill.
Stephen Halsey Friday, June 26th at 11:44PM EDT (link)You are exactly right. Section 467 provides a vehicle to fund universal health care through HHS with revenues from Cap and Tax.
Evil, evil legislation that will destroy this country as we know it.
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Here is link...
rcov092 Saturday, June 27th at 1:24AM EDT (link)http://the41stvote.org/wp/take-action-now-the41stvote/take-action-downloads/
Look at page 1026
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How does anyone come to that kind of claim?
USNJIMRET Friday, June 26th at 11:45PM EDT (link)“I’m a liberal and would like to see this legislation pass.”
OK, so far.
However:
“That said, it would have to meet a standard I don’t believe it can meet.”
What standard does it NOT meet, if you want to see it passed?
Bipartisan ‘cover’ by Republicans who are supposed to be against this kind of tax increase and Government intrusion into daily life?
Or is it some other ’standard’ within the concept of the legislation itself that you see as lacking?
Either way, how can you want to see it passed, if it has failed to meet standards you prefer?
Sorry, poor explanation on my part
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:54PM EDT (link)By standard, I mean it’s ability to pass through both houses with any teeth. The version I would like to see pass has no chance, and even the watered down bill it will become appears to be an uphill battle.
Again, though, I think this bill serves as a guinea pig by which the administration can determine how Blue Dogs will vote, how moderate Pubs will vote, and how much power whips on either side can muster at the moment of truth.
Based on today’s result, I’d say it was a draw.
While there obviously are differences in support for cap-and-trade versus national heath care, there are enough similarities that a dress rehearsal made sense.
You won’t hear anyone from the left admit that point of view, but it does make sense.
Not really; Cap and Trade is DOA in the Senate
jonreagan Saturday, June 27th at 1:12AM EDT (link)Fortunately, the Senate is a different body, with more even representation for small states…..the framers definitely got it right. Whereas California today provided huge numbers in the House for a really bad Cap and Tax bill, they’ll only have two votes in the Senate. States like WV and Indiana have Democratic Senators who are not going to vote for Cap and Tax.
I think there is a more cynical move going on here from the Obam-orons. Once this thing goes down to defeat in the Senate, they’re going to come back at Dems who voted against it (Webb, Bayh, Nelson, etc) when they try to pass Health Care. The message will be that “you voted against us on Cap and Tax, so you owe us on Nat’l Health Care”……But Obama may be so discredited at that point that he loses on both issues. At which point, his administration will be in serious trouble.
I hope you
gazill Saturday, June 27th at 9:52AM EDT (link)are right on the first part and wrong on the second, barring the discreditation of Karl Obama, but I am losing faith in our political representatives. Perhaps because my Congressional Rep is George Miller (language restrictions prevent my honest opinion of him from being expressed) and my Senators are (grimace,shudder,shiver) Boxer and Feinstein (whose staff I must admit has been respectful of my many complaints to her).
I will certainly call and voice my complaint, but I already know to call both is futile.
so sickntired of hopenchange
Notice the three Democratic West Virginia Reps voted no
6eorge Jetson Saturday, June 27th at 11:12AM EDT (link)West Virginia is a very strong union-loving, loyal Blue state.
Unless the Democrat is advocating to shrink or shut down the coal industry.
the other two are dems, but....
chuckie Saturday, June 27th at 1:47PM EDT (link)shelley moore capito is republican…..and west virginia may not be a loyal blue state much longer if we can’t get these democrats to leave us alone…..
The Actual Bill
MSU_Charles Friday, June 26th at 11:24PM EDT (link)Is there a link to the actual bill including the last minute amendment?
Here is a link to Download
rcov092 Saturday, June 27th at 1:23AM EDT (link)http://the41stvote.org/wp/take-action-now-the41stvote/take-action-downloads/
Look carefully at pages 1026 & 1027
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we need to find and loudly proclaim all the horrible crap in this bill
kyle8 Friday, June 26th at 11:24PM EDT (link)and attach the name of those eight jackasses to every horrible bit in this bill.
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Oh, don't worry. We'll have plenty of entertaining reading ahead of us. nt
smagar Friday, June 26th at 11:32PM EDT (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
We have another line of argument we can use against the Dems---process
smagar Friday, June 26th at 11:36PM EDT (link)This is the second time they passed a bill they hadn’t read. A bill with major impacts on America’s economy and society.
They didn’t learn their lesson with Porkulus? This is how they think they’re supposed to govern?
I think those are fair questions to ask, over and over and over again, in between now and November 2010.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
As a lefty, I agree
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:57PM EDT (link)This is not the transparency we were promised. I know it’s complicated and all that, but more effort needs to be made to allow the *public* to review the options presented to its representatives.
This guy might be more effective at keeping an eye on the radar
6eorge Jetson Saturday, June 27th at 12:24AM EDT (link)Have you guys actually read this thing?
Stephen Halsey Friday, June 26th at 11:42PM EDT (link)Check out this little gem.
SEC. 467. CLIMATE CHANGE HEALTH PROTECTION AND PROMOTION FUND.
(a) Establishment of Fund- There is hereby established in the Treasury a separate account that shall be known as the Climate Change Health Protection and Promotion Fund.
(b) Availability of Amounts- All amounts deposited into the Climate Change Health Protection and Promotion Fund shall be available to the Secretary to carry out this subpart subject to further appropriation.
(c) Distribution of Funds by HHS- In carrying out this subpart, the Secretary may make funds deposited in the Climate Change Health Protection and Promotion Fund available to–
(1) other departments, agencies, and offices of the Federal Government;
(2) foreign, State, tribal, and local governments; and
(3) such other entities as the Secretary determines appropriate.
(d) Supplement, Not Replace- It is the intent of Congress that funds made available to carry out this subpart should be used to supplement, and not replace, existing sources of funding for public health.
They’ve created a vehicle to potentially fund a universal government single payer health system administered under HHS.
They had us running around all week chasing Obama’s ABC infomercial and ambivalence towards Iran all the while knowing they had this sinister language in this bill. Classic Rules for Radicals……look at the right hand while the left hand is playing in the Marxism.
Unless we started thinking like them, strategizing like them and executing like them…..in other words, stop playing nice and start playing to win, by the time 2010 or 2012 rolls around, esp. if immigration passes, we will be a single party State for generations.
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I wonder (not really) if the 'Eight' knew about that part?
USNJIMRET Friday, June 26th at 11:54PM EDT (link)More over, during Bohner’s reading of select portions of just the 300 page “Managers Amendment”, he several times referred to changes, deletions, repeals even, of portions of several previously passed laws.
I’m going to admit to my lack of knowledge by asking, “Is this a usual practice?”
That is, is it typical for one Congress to alter the language of a previous Congress’s actions?
And, of course, bury the changes within a now 1500 page document that no one has read.
An "outraged" American electorate will send the 112th Congress to Washington...
rbdwiggins Saturday, June 27th at 12:38AM EDT (link)with a clear mandate to “alter” this legislation and inform President Obama of his lame-duck status.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
So this extra cost won't be included as part of the health care bill
bk Saturday, June 27th at 4:18AM EDT (link)If they do enough of these, they can say the health care bill is free - the necessary trillion or two came from other bills
I'm so annoyed right now
George Claghorn Friday, June 26th at 11:49PM EDT (link)From CNN:
Gonzalez voted “Yea”.
And here I thought this was the House of Representatives.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Silly George, you didn't think they represented YOU, did ya?
USNJIMRET Saturday, June 27th at 12:20AM EDT (link)I also cannot begin to understand the ability of Congress Critters who can receive an overwhelming call from voters to do, or not do, something, acknowledge the calls are “disproportionately” in one direction, yet they vote in the other.
On second thought, I completely understand the “how” they do it.
It’s the “why” they do it, and manage to look themselves in the mirror each day.
Even more, how we the voters continue to enable them to do it by returning them, and their clones, to office.
BTW, nothing personal meant by that ’silly George’ part. If it offended, I apologize in advance.
There are some people who never should have been trusted with political power.
George Claghorn Saturday, June 27th at 8:32AM EDT (link)And unfortunately, they all currently occupy seats in Congress.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
George, I know the 20th Distrist of Texas sort of well
Richard Mullins Saturday, June 27th at 12:16PM EDT (link)and I can say that all the no’s he got doesn’t mean a thing. It’s a family tradition for a member of the Gonzalez family to be the congressman of the district. It also comes a no suprise that he was also one the 2 Texas Democratic congressmen to vote for the Comprimise that got it out of commitee. Voting against the bill would contridict his prior vote in the commitee.
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All the votes from 12 States were Nay-All the votes from 9 states were Aye
pilgrim Saturday, June 27th at 12:10AM EDT (link)In 12 States all the votes were Nay
Alabama all Nay
* Aderholt, Robert, Alabama, 4th
* Bachus, Spencer, Alabama, 6th
* Bonner, Jo, Alabama, 1st
* Bright, Bobby, Alabama, 2nd
* Davis, Artur, Alabama, 7th
* Griffith, Parker, Alabama, 5th
* Rogers, Mike, Alabama, 3rd
Alaska all Nay
* Young, Don, Alaska, At-Large
Idaho all Nay
* Minnick, Walt, Idaho, 1st
* Simpson, Mike, Idaho, 2nd
Louisiana all Nay
* Alexander, Rodney, Louisiana, 5th
* Boustany Jr., Charles W., Louisiana, 7th
* Cao, Joseph, Louisiana, 2nd
* Cassidy, William “Bill”, Louisiana, 6th
* Fleming, John, Louisiana, 4th
* Melancon, Charlie, Louisiana, 3rd
* Scalise, Steve, Louisiana, 1st
Montana all Nay
* Rehberg, Dennis, Montana, At-Large
Nebraska all Nay
* Fortenberry, Jeff, Nebraska, 1st
* Smith, Adrian, Nebraska, 3rd
* Terry, Lee, Nebraska, 2nd
North Dakota all Nay
* Pomeroy, Earl, North Dakota, At-Large
Oklahoma all Nay
* Boren, Dan, Oklahoma, 2nd
* Cole, Tom, Oklahoma, 4th
* Fallin, Mary, Oklahoma, 5th
* Lucas, Frank, Oklahoma, 3rd
* Sullivan, John, Oklahoma, 1st
South Dakota all Nay
* Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie, South Dakota, At-Large
Utah all Nay
* Bishop, Rob, Utah, 1st
* Chaffetz, Jason, Utah, 3rd
* Matheson, Jim, Utah, 2nd
West Virginia all Nay
* Capito, Shelley Moore, West Virginia, 2nd
* Mollohan, Alan B., West Virginia, 1st
* Rahall, Nick, West Virginia, 3rd
Wyoming all Nay
* Lummis, Cynthia M., Wyoming, At-Large
In 9 States all the votes were Aye
Connecticut all Aye
* Courtney, Joe, Connecticut, 2nd voted Aye
* DeLauro, Rosa L., Connecticut, 3rd voted Aye
* Larson, John B., Connecticut, 1st voted Aye
* Murphy, Christopher S., Connecticut, 5th voted Aye
* Himes, Jim, Connecticut, 4th voted Aye
Delaware all Aye
* Castle, Michael N., Delaware, At-Large
Hawaii all Aye
* Abercrombie, Neil, Hawaii, 1st voted Aye
* Hirono, Mazie K., Hawaii, 2nd voted Aye
Maine all Aye
* Michaud, Michael, Maine, 2nd voted Aye
* Pingree, Chellie, Maine, 1st voted Aye
Massachusetts all Aye
* Capuano, Michael E., Massachusetts, 8th voted Aye
* Delahunt, William, Massachusetts, 10th voted Aye
* Frank, Barney, Massachusetts, 4th voted Aye
* Lynch, Stephen F., Massachusetts, 9th voted Aye
* McGovern, James, Massachusetts, 3rd voted Aye
* Markey, Ed, Massachusetts, 7th voted Aye
* Neal, Richard E., Massachusetts, 2nd voted Aye
* Olver, John, Massachusetts, 1st voted Aye
* Tierney, John, Massachusetts, 6th voted Aye
* Tsongas, Niki, Massachusetts, 5th voted Aye
New Hampshire all Aye
* Hodes, Paul W., New Hampshire, 2nd voted Aye
* Shea-Porter, Carol, New Hampshire, 1st voted Aye
New Mexico all Aye
* Heinrich, Martin T., New Mexico, 1st voted Aye
* Lujan, Ben R., New Mexico, 3rd voted Aye
* Teague, Harry, New Mexico, 2nd voted Aye
Rhode Island all Aye
* Kennedy, Patrick, Rhode Island, 1st voted Aye
* Langevin, Jim, Rhode Island, 2nd voted Aye
Vermont all Aye
* Welch, Peter, Vermont, At-Large voted Aye
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Why is New Mexico getting so blue?
bk Saturday, June 27th at 4:20AM EDT (link)It seems to be much more liberal than the states around it.
good question. What do New England, Hawaii, and New Mexico have in common? n/t
pilgrim Saturday, June 27th at 7:46AM EDT (link).
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TRIED SO HARD ....
daezy Saturday, June 27th at 12:18AM EDT (link)Nearly got there. Can’t stop the tears, but can’t give up either.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson
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I wish I could...
DONTREADONME Saturday, June 27th at 12:44AM EDT (link)shed tears, as a male it turns to anger and frustration. Those tears will do you better. It is better for your body and your mind.
Anyway, hang in there, we tried but again nobody seems to listen. There may be some hope left in the Senate, get in there and start making sure your Senators, whoops, you’re in California, Ok call some other state’s Senators and make sure they understand that you want them to stop this legislation. Smile
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TradeCap passed with just under 51% of the vote
6eorge Jetson Saturday, June 27th at 12:51AM EDT (link)51 Senators do not a filibuster break.
These liberals are either evil genius's or really stupid
izoneguy Saturday, June 27th at 12:19AM EDT (link)I guess we will see when most of the country gets POed with higher energy bills??
If they don’t want to read the 1200 page bill and the 300 page admendment then they should at least read the links here:
http://www.heritage.org/LeadershipForAmerica/energy-and-environment.cfm
I think 219 House members are going to have a tough road the next 18 months.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
All 219 House members can reference this chart and see what their vote YES might mean
izoneguy Saturday, June 27th at 12:38AM EDT (link)How the Waxman–Markey Climate Change Bill Would Affect the States, by Congressional District
http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/upload/wm2504_table1.pdf
Let’s just highlight the Republicans that voted YES.
(Call to congratulate them)
Mary Bono Mack (CA) (202) 225-5330
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$442 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$566 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –4,712 Jobs
Castle (DE) (202) 225-4165
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$690 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$606 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –4,049 Jobs
Kirk (IL) (202) 225-4385 (And he’s seriously considering running for Senate!)
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$404 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$493 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –4,164 Jobs
Lance (NJ) (202) 225-5361
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$379 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$599 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –3,842 Jobs
LoBiondo (NJ) (202) 225-6572
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$329 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$570 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –3,575 Jobs
McHugh (NY) (202) 225-4611
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$364 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$556 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –3,247 Jobs
Reichert (WA) (202) 225-7761
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$453 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$556 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –3,247 Jobs
Smith (NJ) (202) 225-3765
Gross State Product Loss in 2012 –$420 Million
Personal Income Loss in 2012 –$565 Million
Non-Farm Job Job Loss in 2012 –4,756 Jobs
But I really doubt these folks will be in Washington D.C. much longer anyway. So they will only hear about until they are defeated for re-election.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Heritage.org is an awesome site.
TNJim Saturday, June 27th at 12:50AM EDT (link)Too bad more people don’t peruse their great research more. By that I mean Dims. I guess to them Heritage is just part of the VRWC.
Kinda like the CBO…
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The problem is - The democrats can't read
izoneguy Saturday, June 27th at 12:54AM EDT (link)They only listen to dear leader:
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
I don't think this excuse will work in 2010
bk Saturday, June 27th at 4:23AM EDT (link)“If only Bush had signed Kyoto we wouldn’t be in this mess, so it’s not our fault your bill went up so much.”
It makes it all the more disgusting
Erick Brockway Saturday, June 27th at 1:28AM EDT (link)That supposed Republican representatives could with open eyes, despite all the shenanigans pulled by opposition Democrats, with any conscience at all vote for this piece of garbage.
If AT LEAST I knew somehow that they actually read and understood the whole thing and voted for it anyway, I could disagree with them but know they voted on principle with full knowledge.
But they didn’t. They couldn’t. It was either some backroom political buy off, or more probably a blind sacrifice made to the altar of Gaia at the behest of Preacher Algore.
Either way it’s disgusting, something I’d expect of a Democrat, but not a Republican. If they act like Democrats, then they are the opposition and must be defeated.
Sure, somewhere along the way I’m sure they voted the right way on something that I should be appreciative of; but on something as momentous and far-reaching as Cap & Trade it goes to core principles and that can’t be ignored or forgiven.
What next, a yes on the takeover of health care?
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"Name your price."
bk Saturday, June 27th at 4:25AM EDT (link)The guy who filled in for Michael Savage said that’s what a Democratic Congressman said he was told.
Price of one R vote was $600k
Common_Cents Saturday, June 27th at 2:13PM EDT (link)One of the R’s that voted for crap and tax announced $600k of fed money payola buyoff for projects in his district. Others were in the millions and tens of millions. Not only is he a trader, he was really stupid to fall for only $600k. either way he doesn’t deserve to be in office.
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You At Least Have To ADmisre The Brazenness Of
rcov092 Saturday, June 27th at 1:33AM EDT (link)their corruption. Did you ever think yhat you would see Henry Waxman being held up, in broad daylight, on live TV for as much as 50.0 million dollars for a vote (Alan Grayson, (Shameless Whore, FL)). Even more amazing was Waxman handing it over with nary a wimper.
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well now this could be a good thing...
jarrod21 Saturday, June 27th at 3:12AM EDT (link)I assume there’s a provision in the bill to raise my pay to $250k per year. I mean, the pres-uh-dent said that nobody making less than that amount would pay a dime more in tax. Since I’ll be helping pay for this boondoggle I imagine my check is in the mail. Right?
HR 2454 Tea Party Time!
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Democrats Force Quick Vote on "Cap and Tax" Legislation, Citing an "Escalating Skepticism Crisis” Regarding Climate Warming Theories
melvinwinter Saturday, June 27th at 10:15AM EDT (link)That’s the title of this Onion-style parody of yesterday’s vote. Check out the picture as well: http://www.optoons.blogspot.com/ (June 27 entry)
Targets
crazymountain Saturday, June 27th at 9:07PM EDT (link)Hopefully this bill will die in the Senate and be gone. However there are 220 (or those up for re-election out of the yeas) who won’t be seeing the inside of the House after 2010, except as tourists. That is IF Obama doesn’t have a Reichstag fire of his own and become a lifer, like all his heroes…….