I’d like to address, point by point, the latest Times (o’London) article concerning Al Gore’s comparison of AGW non-believers to Nazis. I cannot let this article go unanswered.
Please, this is important. It is this kind of comparison that engenders the true imprisonment of the Human mind. It must be stopped, fought, tooth and nail, or I fear that we will all fall into a period of zealotry that hasn’t destroyed a people since the time religious fundamentalism permanently crippled Middle Eastern science, mathematics, art and literature. Literally, 1000 years of darkness. And yeah, I’m sticking with that statement.
I’ll have to quote heavily from the article, because so many chilling things were said. I don’t at all suspect Mr. Gore was misquoted here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6658672.ece
He just loves to preach to the choir in Europe, and they are happy to publish his words as if they were from on high.
He [Gore] also accused politicians around the world of exploiting ignorance about the dangers of global warming to avoid difficult decisions.
Indeed, “exploiting ignorance” is a problem. Here’s an example: concluding that weather changes of any kind are due to human activity is “exploiting ignorance” about the long, extreme history of weather both in the 20th century, and on a geological timescale. On rare occasions on earth have temperatures even been so steady. Trends categorically “exploit ignorance” about weather. Trends assume a fictitious baseline. Weather, even weather under some sort of stress doesn’t follow trends; it is periodic in nature, with events of several different magnitudes and time scales interwoven, and that has always been the case. Mr. Gore and his AGW proponents use trends, the grandest trend of all being an overall warming trend, to make his case. Problem is, all these trends are now failing, (including the biggie, because of the cooling which occurred over the last decade), which flies in the face of the underlying assumptions about the connection (the trend) of excess CO2 (still rising), with rising absolute temperature.
This cannot be dismissed. When the underlying connection fails, the conclusions that arise from that connection fail. I am not a Nazi for pointing that out. I am a responsible scientist for pointing that out.
He added: “We have everything we need except political will but political will is a renewable resource.”
Well that’s a cute line. By “everything we need…” Mr. Gore means a preponderance of data, the appearance of consensus, and the moral high ground, I’m sure.
Problem is, mountains of data may be statistically correlated, but the cause-and-effect, the connection between human activity and a warming Earth may yet be coincidental. I have also noticed that quite a bit of data has been coming in a massaged form, or has been treat statistically in a way that is improper. Filling in arctic temperature data in polar Russia is always fun. Statistically deriving an average hurricane number is meaningless; hurricanes are discreet phenomena, they vary in size shape intensity over varying time periods in a variable season. No sufficient tacking program yet exists. They are wildly unpredictable, and yet are totally natural objects absolutely following physical law. This lends strength to the notion that our quantification is poor. Further examples of data manipulation and mistreatment are replete. It’s hard to build anything useful from such statistical neglect.
The appearance of consensus, even consensus itself is meaningless in science. I don’t care how many people shout 2 + 2 = 5 from the rooftops, it’s still incorrect. And the loner that whispers 2 + 2 = 4 from the street below isn’t the Nazi in this scene.
If the effects of human activity on climate are to be held true, they must be distinct (isolable) from natural weather phenomena, quantifiable, verifiable, non-falsifiable by unbiased observations, and the mechanism that connects the cause and effect must engender all the data, not some of the data. Finally, a good explanation doesn’t shift with incoming data, it should predict it.
Your friends-for-hire in the business of assembling a fine consensus are 0 for 5 on those counts. Color me unimpressed.
Mr. Gore’s ”moral superiority” arises from the assumption that people are deleteriously affecting the planet, and that he alone is the man with the answers. That it’s naturally a position of moral high ground to claim that people are evil, simply by virtue of the fact that they have an impact on the world outside his purview, and must change their behavior.
He [Gore] said skeptics who refused to believe dramatic cuts in carbon emissions could be delivered should consider the example of the young scientists in the NASA team which put a man on the moon on 1969.
“The average age of scientists in the space centre control room was 26, which means they were 18 when they heard President Kennedy say he wanted to put a man on the moon in 10 years. Neil Armstrong did it eight years and two months later.”
First of all I DO believe that carbon emissions can be cut, drastically. All we have to do is go back to living like we did 100 years ago, or even further back we could take the lesson of the American Indian, and live in teepees. I simply submit that is not desirable, it may not even be necessary, and that Mr. Gore’s assertion that it is rings hollow to say the least, thanks to a complete lack of evidence that what is happening is 1) due to people, or 2) a bad thing. Such actions may even cause more problems than not.
And to take the lesson from those young men of average age 26 who wrought the Apollo lunar missions. The first thing they did was KILL THREE ASTRONAUTS by assuming that it would be a great way to save mass if they used pure oxygen in the capsule, neglecting the FACT that aluminum combusts in pure oxygen. One spark and the mission was doomed on the launching pad. This is what you get when you leave out people who know the physics and the chemistry of an atmosphere. After that, they didn’t make a move until every last detail about the mission was worked out, complete with EXACTING MATHEMATICS, PHYSICS, and LOGISTICS.
We WANT number-Nazis on the job. We don’t want people who can’t do math, and find their only option is politics and government funding to run those numbers. We’re dealing with the entire world’s economy, here. Action can wait for a well-laid plan.
Again, quoth Gore:
“It will either be ’what were you thinking, didn’t you see the North Pole melting before your eyes, didn’t you hear what the scientists were saying?’ Or they will ask ’how is it you were able to find the moral courage to solve the crisis which so many said couldn’t be solved?’.”
This is a false choice. I did see the North Pole losing ice over a number a years. I also see it coming back. I also see the South Pole gaining ice some years. Show me that this natural, seasonal process has something to do with human activity. I am asking that as a scientist that requires things like evidence and a traceable mechanism of action. No, simply claiming that rising CO2 is the source of our woes is not enough.
Moral courage, sir, is standing athwart a legion of well-funded, biased researchers, full presumption of a guilty Humankind tattooed across their forehead, demanding you bring something more than a weak claim from incomplete, poorly treated data, before you take possession of the world’s assets and functions.
I am not a Nazi, I am a scientist, and I do not have a following, but then again I don’t need one. You do. You, Mr. Gore, and your followers bear all those characteristics of fascism, not I. You silence intellectuals and other people, not I. You demand money, action and power by right of claim. It’s only a matter of time before your cronies wrest these things from others by brute force. You demand that certain people be marginalized. All the while, you claim righteousness and moral superiority as did Hitler and Mussolini. You spread your poison over Europe and threaten to do so everywhere else, not I.
You have become the enemy of America and the rest of the world, not its savior. The world should see what you have become, rise up and defeat you, for once and for good.

It is appalling that he would compare Nazism...
penguin2 Tuesday, July 7th at 3:08PM EDT (link)with anything in the discussion about AGW. I think long ago he lost his marbles, and his relevancy. This agenda of his is only about power and money. Remarks like that are chilling. How in the world could this man have been a candidate for President, let alone vice-president?
Thanks for writing about this, I caught it earlier on Drudge, and it sickened me.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
He hasn't lost his marbles....The Rev Al Gore....
JadedByPolitics Tuesday, July 7th at 4:06PM EDT (link)has waited a long time to make a LOT of money off of this SCAM and he will NOT be kept waiting any longer….it is as simple as who gets what payoff in the bill as to whether it passes or not!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Gore rode in on the success of Clinton.
Chemical Sam Wednesday, July 8th at 8:44AM EDT (link)He spent eight years in office doing precisely nothing about the environment, when he had great power and as essentialy free hand to do so. Only in a state of frustration after losing an election did he become obsessed with AGW, something he claims was obvious when he was in power. Very telling, I think.
Thank your lucky stars that Bush beat Gore in 2000. Imagine how the world could have turned out if environmental zealots had a seat at the table 10 years ago, before the data started to turn on them, nicht wahr?
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so when did the AGW hypothesis get proven?
DONTREADONME Tuesday, July 7th at 3:32PM EDT (link)as far as I am concerned nothing has proven the AGW hypotheis to be real. It is a theory with little to no experimental evidence that has proven beyond a shadow doubt; therefore, AGW is not worthy of being a law.
BTW, if only one experiment proves the AGW hypothesis to be wrong then it must be modified or thrown out, and the revision remains a hypothesis not proven science. When did we stop teaching kids about experimentational processes?
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Ask the Teachers' Union about when we stopped.
Chemical Sam Wednesday, July 8th at 8:40AM EDT (link)Theories and hypotheses are supposed to stand up to tests. Good ones. In this case, it’s much more difficult to throw up a refutation. The correct mathematics are extremely complex, due to the enormity of the system to be described. Therein lies the difficulting in putting the finger on any poor logic, and Gore survives on that fog. Conflicting data, while damning, isn’t a refutation. I’m hoping for a refutation soon. I have my ideas on how to achieve that, but the kind of work required isn’t taught to very many people, even on the University level.
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Nazi ?...... Me ?...... Heh.
Kenny Solomon Tuesday, July 7th at 4:48PM EDT (link)First time this here Jewboy ever done been called a Nazi.
I’m honored……. I think…… Maybe……. Kind of.
Cheers !
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Well, gee, Kenny,
eburke Wednesday, July 8th at 12:09PM EDT (link)Teh Eeeeeeeevil Jooooooooooos are responsible for everything else…why not Nazism?
Hmmmm…..so let’s see here - Trent Lott get sh*t-canned by a rabid press for blathering some platitudes on a dying old man’s 100th birthday. AlGore, OTOH, compares people who come to a different conclusion on a scientific issue to the group of murderous, sick thugs who set about to exterminate an entire race of people just for being who they are and all we get in the MSM are - crickets chirping.
The unbridled sycophancy and manure-spewing bilge that is the MSM knows no shame.
Sigh!
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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By Internet rules, this means Al Gore has lost the argument (n/t)
Finrod Tuesday, July 7th at 5:10PM EDT (link).
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Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
My thoughts exactly.
TNJim Wednesday, July 8th at 1:26AM EDT (link)Gore must be seeing the cooling trend over the last few years and is starting to panic, thus his rhetoric is getting a little shrill.
Moral superiority? From Al Gore? Bah! Many of us in Tennessee figured out long ago he has none. That’s why Bush carried the state in 2000.
“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
It won't stop him. He has too much money riding on the acceptance of this weak hypothesis.
Chemical Sam Wednesday, July 8th at 8:31AM EDT (link)The EPA endangerment consideration of CO2 and the Cap and Trade Bill are very important stepping stones to his continued wealth. Yes, I question his motives, still. I could call for Mr. Gore to divest himself of such a huge conflict of interest, but I doubt he would heed my call.
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The Rev Gore is getting excitable because this should have happened already...
JadedByPolitics Tuesday, July 7th at 6:19PM EDT (link)I suspect T Boone Pickens and his 2 Billion buy from GE of wind turbines is getting ansy as well
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PICKENS_WIND_ENERGY?SITE=TXSAE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-07-07-16-43-41
He said he got off the blocks to early…oh I am quite sure….if this doesn’t pass Gore, Pickens, and GE will be missing out on multi-billions perhaps trillions of dollars they were counting on when the Congress and The Imitation Christ ran roughshod over the rubes in America….so they will start to SCREAM and CALL NAMES because it ain’t no chump change We The People are holding back from them!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
It's too bad, really. Pickens idea of using CNG isn't necessarily bad.
Chemical Sam Wednesday, July 8th at 9:03AM EDT (link)But GE and Gore are heavily into those areas as well, Besides, CNG does nothing to change the amount of CO2 in the air. I’m surprised more environmentalist aren’t up in arms about the idea.
But to respond to wind power… Wind turbines, while “free” are:
Relatively inefficient.
Unpredictable, like the wind.
Labor and maintenance intensive (that’s the nature of the green jobs Obama keeps touting — busy work).
Require power rectification to DC and THEN, power inversion to 60-Hz AC in order to be added to the grid (part of the reason why people are re-hashing the War of Currents (see wikipedia), a century-old battle DC proponents must lose again). More supplementary equipment, replaing the ENTIRE us electrical system to accommodate one new source of power. Economically devastating!
Use incredible amounts of specialized materiel, high quality steel, nickel and copper. Copper, especially, we don’t have enough of, I think.
Are acreage-intensive (even at sea the extra construction, the corrosion factor and the extra service costs will be huge).
Unsightly to some people.
Dangerous to birds, according to some people.
By the way, most of these points could be made about solar power as well. Except the part about the birds.
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The Left frames the argument by using the magic word 'deniers'...
Vladimir Tuesday, July 7th at 9:43PM EDT (link)…which automatically evokes the Holocaust, even on an emotional level.
However, the Holocaust is a historical event. It either happend or it didn’t. (I happen to believe that it did because I’ve seen the tattoos with my own two eyes. I’ve heard the testimonies. I have known people that lost loved ones and relatives.)
Not so Global Warming. It is a forecast future condition. The validity of the basic measurements, the modeling, the bias and the politicization of the whole realm is, to put it mildly, debatable.
But studying the issue critically means doing nothing about it for the time being, decidedly not the answer Mr. Gore, a partner in Kleiner Perkins, wants to hear. There’s dough to be made, and lots of it. “We’ve got to act now before it’s too late! Sure we might be wrong, but what if we’re not? We simply can’t wait long enough to be certain!”
Poppycock.
“Climate Change” is about money and control and political power and Bigger, More Intrusive Government.
A Government that wants to tell you how to build your house, what kind of vehicle you’re going to drive, where to set your home thermostat, what kind of light bulbs you’ll buy, even how many gallons of water you use when you flush your toilet. And, most importantly to Mr. Gore, who the economic winners and losers are.
Gore and his ilk will stoop so low as to dig up the bones of the true Holocaust victims to score points in a debate.
Scum.
There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer
2+2=4
LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Wednesday, July 8th at 10:55AM EDT (link)Global Warming “science” is quite simply based on running an incompletely understood, unexamined computer model on distorted and massaged data in an attempt to prove a predetermined assertion. Nothing about it is science. Computer models can be written any way you want. None of them proves anything other than the ability of the programmer and quality of the algorithm. And the computer models that James Hansen offers up as proof of his intellectually bankrupt theory have never been released for peer review! In other words, there is no science whatsoever in them. They simply state that 2+2=5 and call those who refute that lie (with the simple additive fact that 2+2=4) “deniers” and call them anti-science. In fact, what Gore and his mindwashed zombies are doing to those who state that 2+2=4 is exactly analogous to what certain bishops in the medieval church did to Galileo. The Messiah AlGoracle’s luddite fanatics are enforcing their pre-ordained misunderstanding of planetary science over the facts, scientifically understood.
The goal is, as usual, more money for overpaid, unaccountable government bureaucrats like Hansen out of the pockets of the people.
“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”
Times Alters Headline
Skanderbeg Tuesday, July 7th at 9:49PM EDT (link)BTW, Tim Blair caught this one - after a few hours, the Times (UK) changed the headline on that story:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/bad_guys_cut/
There's something more concrete about the printed word...
Chemical Sam Wednesday, July 8th at 8:28AM EDT (link)When papers said something and it hit the morning lawn, said papers used to be committed. Not anymore.
I’m sure it doesn’t change the sentiment that people who question are first “deniers” and later, “Nazis” when they persist. I have no doubt in my mind, that is what someone like me is to a man who cant stand up to a direct question about verity.
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Isn't that illegal in Germany?
Menlo Tuesday, July 7th at 11:36PM EDT (link)I think Austria also puts people in jail for offensive references to the Holocaust.
Unlike people in the UK, I can’t imagine many other European nations are taking too kindly to the reference. I suspect a lot of Jewish people don’t like it either.
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