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When Reagan-Conservatives and Libertarians Collide ~ The “Right” and the “Radical”

 

In order to maintain itself and its country, the Russian government ~ during the duration of WWI and beyond ~ as directed by Lenin and his Bolshevik ruling party, seized all foods grown as well as the seeds remaining available for future food productions. This was an act designed to protect the populace from itself and was the catalyst for the Russian Famine of 1921 ~ resulting in the deaths of an estimated 5 million. Ask yourselves, was this action justified on the part of the government?

Then digest this statement from Ronald Reagan from an interview given in 1975 as he attempts to unravel the complex relationship ~ from that time ~ between Libertarians and Conservatives:

“I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. I have illustrated this many times by saying that I would recognize the right of government to say that someone who rode a motorcycle had to protect the public from himself by making certain provisions about his equipment and the motorcycle – the same as we do with an automobile. I disagree completely when government says that because of the number of head injuries from accidents with motorcycles that he should be forced to wear a helmet. I happen to think he’s stupid if he rides a motorcycle without a helmet, but that’s one of our sacred rights – to be stupid.

“But to show you how these grey areas can creep in, the other day I was saying this to a man who happens to be a neurosurgeon, and who has treated many cases of this particular kind of injury and accident, and he disagreed with me on this issue. He disagreed with me on the basis of the individuals who become public charges as a result of permanent damage–he has pointed to an area where it does go over into not just hurting the individuals directly involved but now imposes on others also. I only use this extreme example to show that when we come down to government and what it should or should not do for the good of the people and for protecting us from each other, you do come into some grey areas and I think here there will be disagreements between conservatives and libertarians.”

Reagan exposed the perfect example of what was then the classic line between the so-called Conservatives and Libertarians of the day ~ circa 1975. Drop that conversation on the table today and you’ll quickly surmise Conservative from Liberal. Libertarians, however are not as quickly eye-balled today as with such examples Reagan so poignantly laid before us some 35 years ago.

Libertarians today, compared to those when the movement was gaining momentum as a respite to the Liberal party circa 1975 ~ thereby garnering Reagan’s attention briefly ~ are as crooked as they come. They are routinely bought and sold across party lines (favoring Clinton one cycle, hugs and kisses to Bush the next); degrading of the Constitution to suit their flights of fancy (claiming Americans must advocate isolationism as if Washington’s farewell speech somehow penned such “hands-off” rhetoric in invisible ink through an amendment no one can find); and routinely racist, bigoted morons who believe their millions banked off-shore somehow preclude them from practicing moral behaviors.

No, today’s Libertarians are not the “Libertarian-Conservatives” Reagan once praised, they are, indeed, Socialists. They advocate a one-nation, isolated country, similar to that witnessed under the Lenin and Stalin regimes. A vision that if realized would run its course to the end result of an American implosion, the world as we know it resorting to anarchy; terrorists, bigots, fascists, murderous dictators rising again to rule, with our enemies that have battled us from the days of the Barbary Wars taking hold throughout the globe. Today’s Libertarians, by endorsing a system wherein “The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood” ~ thank you again Reagan for the analogy ~ are sanctioning not only global restructuring but the very installation of state-by-state Socialism wherein anarchy would indeed soon follow.  

The term Socialism was first used by the Left ~ in all its splintered glory ~ in the 1920s. Reagan himself told us that the 6-time candidate for President on the Socialist ticket told the party and its voters that no one would elect a Socialist, but, as Reagan went on, change the name to the Liberal Party, continue with the same platforms and the American people will eat it up. And they did.

Through the 60s, as the Liberal Party gained one black eye after another, another name came up for debate: Libertarians. ‘We can do as we wish, vote how we want, love the left, hate the right; change gears as the winds blow; hell we can even sell ourselves as: socially liberal, politically conservative’. Gotta’ love that one! Wrap your mind around that one for a few minutes!

That’s exactly how they introduce themselves at rallies. “We are socially liberal, politically conservative.” Remember Lenin’s position:  “Save the workers, Kill the government.” Libertarians are Socialists. A true Conservative understands this ~ and this is why Reagan flushed the Libertarian moniker and adopted his own true persona (we call it today Reagan-Republican). Capitalism works, limited government is crucial, lower taxes are mandatory, and a strong, prosperous and free America must be the shining example for the world.

Libertarians destroy the Constitution to suit their agendas. For example, read Ron Paul’s “The Revolution”. He uses Washington’s Farewell Address to lay claim our Founding Father’s demanded isolationism and that to ignore such a claim Americans may as well just flush the entire Constitution down the toilet. Washington’s address was 20 years removed from the Constitution’s signing and 5 years removed from the Barbary Wars. Read his positions on the issues; another strange and convoluted attempt to marry the Constitution and his demands for compassion for Jihadists. The man wants America to return land to the very people who blew up the towers on 9/11; claiming it’s the fault of the United States we were attacked. And he’s not the only Libertarian espousing these views.

Through researching platforms, voting records and public policy statements of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Ross Perot as well as other Libertarians on the ballots today, and by reading Reagan’s interview from 1975, then comparing all the raw data, it is clear that the Libertarians of today are in no way related to those of 35 years ago.

What’s more ~ as earlier mentioned ~ at rallies recently attended (being a Tea Party member, witnessing Libertarians at our meetings is quite the norm), discussions with these folk invariably open with: (some family member, too are self-described Libertarians) “We’re socially liberal, politically conservative.”

Being the political activist and scientist I am, Lenin comes instantly to mind: “Save the workers, Kill the government.” Only problem with Proletarianization is, it doesn’t work. Libertarians also desecrate the Constitution time and again as emphasized herein. Reagan found himself disenfranchised in the 1970s with the Democrats, desiring a new party: ‘I have not abandoned them, it is they that have left me.’

One recognizes that Reagan held fault with many in the Libertarian party due to their socialist tendencies towards zero government and likened himself, rather, a “Libertarian-Conservative”. Today, we call ourselves Reagan-Republicans. Libertarians engaged in conversation, to include those researched and others as well, hold faith in the abolishment of government as it is today; they would go so far as coddle our gravest enemies. That is not a Conservative’s position; it is Socialists who sign treaties with their enemies of war (have we forgotten WWI and II?)

In short, the links between Socialists and modern day Libertarians are many ~ and frightening. Reagan saw it 35 years ago. Why can WE not see it today? 

Perhaps, in closing, it is our vernacular that could do with some polishing. Looking back to Reagan’s advice, a Liberal in his day would have actually been more appropriately labeled as a Tory ~ supporting a sort of monarchy-like government where a “King” dictates from on high; controlling, subjugating the population and supporting said government through ruthless, illegal taxation. While the Conservative more truly fit the Liberal moniker ~ fighting the establishment towards a goal of smaller rule, less interference in the lives of the populace, less taxation, a more secure state through self-governing, etc. Those aspects fit the Libertarian platform quite well 35 years ago. When Reagan opened up for political introspection all those years back then, we had a clearer definition: Tories, Liberals and Libertarians.

But today we have a new set of vernacular: Liberals, Conservatives, and Libertarians.

And it is these new Libertarians whom require a great deal of exposure. We now have one whom stands in the town square and preaches to the masses from atop his soap-box. One who rails against the government, preaching for absolutely zero tolerance of any governmental bodies ~ be those in the arenas of taxation, the military, foreign relations, energy ~ even to the most basic levels as required for national security or the stability of health and human services. The Libertarians of today advocate near-anarchy-like conditions between populace and government ~ a condition precisely as those promoted by the likes of Lenin, and Stalin his successor.

As the Left has pulled further left, and the Right further right, we’ve all come to realize that Moderate is a misnomer. And it’s time to understand, too, that Libertarians, lost in a sea of “nearly-theres” and “could-have-beens” have become dangerously radical towards a goal of recognition. Their hands are every bit as open as any other Abramoff sell-out. Their records prove it. It’s time we focus on a candidate Reagan would have us to.

This ain’t a popularity contest, this is our country we’re fighting for!

COMMENTS

  • rbdwiggins

    It’s just more recently been noticed by the ruling class that most of the American people agree: We are a center-right society because we choose to be.

    • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

      Thomas E Dewey and Nelson Rockefeller, could it be considered possible that Paleoconservatives are, factually, just a

  • Scope

    It reminded me of an article I read yesterday at American Thinker-

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/why_not_a_fortress_america_pol.html

    In summary of that article, which I also enjoyed, and agreed with, Jefferson’s words- “Trade with all, entangling alliences with none” were the right position for America at that time. The country was very young, and weak, and lacked the ability to have much influence on the world stage, and certainly didn’t have the ability to fight mighty enemies. With the rise of fascist regimes in the 1920′s, we could no longer afford to retain an isolationist (non-interventionist) foreign policy, particularly when the Japanese killed 2,000 of our citizens, and, on our own soil.

    As to the “trade with all” portion of Jefferson’s words, can you imagine us trading with Iran, who vocally has called the US, the Big Satan. Look at the weak sanctions being levied against Iran, which have accomplished absolutely nothing. They still call for the US to be wiped off the map, along with the Little Satan, Israel. Does anyone believe for a minute that Ajad, and the Iranian Mullahs would not go through with their promises, and, in fact are working toward that goal, unfortunately with the help of still more American enemies namely Russia and China.

    I can definitely see where some Libertarians, especially the Paulite Libertarians, are closer to the Socialist regime which is trying to transform our country right now. Obama’s foreign policy, of apeasement, apologizing for all of our bad deeds over the years, and bowing to foreign dictators, has only made us a laughing stock in the worlds eyes. We are more at risk of attacks (foreign contingency operations) on our country now than we have ever been. As Reagan said, talk softly, but carry a big stick. Yes, Ron Paul, and his supporters would put us in even a worse position, because, Ron Paul foolishly said, we could protect our country with just a few good submarines.

  • JSobieski

    People like Bill Maher and other hollywood types who like to do drugs and endorse immoral behavior while supporting single payer health care reform call themselves “libertarians” and the author of this diary takes that characterization at face value.

    So when the MSM calls Blue Dog Democrats “fiscally conservative” do you also buy that?

    Or when the MSM calls leftist university professors “free thinkers” do you also buy that?

    Or when the MSM insinuates that sincere religious belief is incompatible with reason and an ability to understand science, do you also but that?

    Or when Barack Obama says that he knows the private sector is the source of prosperity, do you also buy that?

    Or when the MSM refers to any dictator out there in the world who is not a leftist as “conservative”, do you also buy that?

    I am no libertarian (due to reasons of foreign policy), but I don’t see why conservatives even RINO Republicans should buy into premises set by the MSM.

    Socialist libertarians is an oxymoron. Any conservative who accepts the premise of socialst libertarians is betraying the Reagan legacy and everything he stood for.

    • JSobieski

      Criticize Ron Paul on foreign policy (I definitely do), but to let the word “socialist” be used in conjunction with Ron Paul is absolutely nuts.

      Socialism is an economic system first and foremost. Ron Paul is an advocate for free market capitalism.

      Ron Paul is a nut, and he is NOT our nut, but to associate him with the word “socialism” is absolutely nuts.

      I like to eat spicy food. So did Chairman Mao when he was in power. Does that make me a Maoist? I share a common appreciation for spicy food, but that has NOTHING to do with Maoism.

      FDR was as a Socialist, but he was for a very strong US military and for strong military action. There is nothing per se “socialist” about Ron Paul’s foregn policy.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There is no conflict with conservatives and libertarians today, they both want the end of Obama, and the democrats big government agenda.

    What in the hell is wrong with you? You are attempting to create crises where there is none. Are you working for the democrats?

  • tcgeol

    Exactly right, Kyle! This guy either is working for the Democrats or just completely ignorant.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    To Chris:
    Ideology is not a circle where the far left and the far right eventually meet. Instead it is a line with absolute tyranny on one end and chaos or anarchy on the other.

    Liberty lies in that area as close to anarchy as can be securely maintained with minimal government.

    Saying that folks who push the line toward anarchy are somehow socialists is like saying people who believe in Santa Claus are really closet supporters of the Grinch.

    Maybe there are some “L”ibertarians or even “l”ibertarians who are closet socialists but they hardly represent the movement.

    Maybe some libertarians push a point on the line to far but considering how close we are to the summit of Crumpet I don’t think we need to get to worked up about that at this time.

    Worse yet implying that strict adherence to the constitution somehow makes a socialist is downright farce. Socialism was known at the time the constitution was written and they tried to guard against it. There can be no question if we stuck to the constitution, as ratified, we would never have reached where we are.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    How so greatly I

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    I inadvertently omitted your name below when addressing your response.

    (Quite obviously there is

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    that was even more stupid than this.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    They even called themselves that. They were basically in favor of legalizing pot, and otherwise putting the government in charge of everything. Call them Soma-Socialists just as well.

    But they do not stand for real libertarianism. There are real libertarians out there. Even Paul is one. But I would argue the Paul branch have done one thing that libertarians should never have done. They have for the most part abandoned a faith in God to temper their self-regard. And because they have abandoned God and embraced atheism as an ideological base for their beliefs, they fall into the same temptations as all atheists. These are the perennial temptations of socialists, communists, progressives, and other statists to engineer society using government in order to perfect humanity. They want to create paradise on earth.

    Conservatives and the many libertarians who recognize the natural law that limits human perfectibility will continue to run up against those who, whether they call themselves libertarians or progressives, desire to take away our freedom to err so they can make us better.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    @RoguePolitics:

    Ideology as Marx saw it contained one key element that all Secular-Socialists continue to either avoid or evade:

  • aesthete

    I say this as someone who loathed Ron Paul for President: both himself and his son are Christians, and have made no statements disloyal to the faith. In fact, Paul is anti-abortion, disfavoring it on Harm Principle lines. What you describe is more similar to what “libertarians” like Rothbard or Noam Chomsky would advocate for.

  • Scope

    for a very reasoned, rational, and respectful argument. Obviously the author is presenting his case, as a Reagan Republican, which I read to mean as one that puts equal importance on social, national security and fiscal positions. He mainly talks about his views of the Libertarian belief in non-interventionist foreign policy.

    I’m not quite sure why some of the commentors above have gotten so incited by this diary, up to calling the author stupid, and a Democrat, simply because they do not agree with his words, and in some cases are actually putting words in the author’s mouth that he never said. That’s too bad, and a sure way to chase off someone who is obviously not a Democrat, but, is obviously on our side.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    “Conservatives and the many libertarians who recognize the natural law that limits human perfectibility will continue to run up against those who, whether they call themselves libertarians or progressives, desire to take away our freedom to err so they can make us better.”

    Whatever name you go by the correct question is “do you support an impartial referee government that only gets involved when needed or a government that will help you live the ‘right’ way as determined by the current officeholders.”

    But that only applies to us out here. In Da Cesspool, the question right now seems to be (A) busybody nanny state government or (B)self serving politicians getting wealth, power or prestige at our expense.

    You are right about the libertarian socialist thing but I think we can agree they belong in the same group as people who think the purpose of DEMOCRACY is to allow the majority to legally rob the minority.
    It is why CONSERVATIVES are in the majority most of the time but when asked it turns out many of them support zoning laws, growth plans, federal safety nets, medicare part D, Progressive Income taxes, etc.
    People who really don’t know what the hell they are or why but it sounds good for now.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    “Reagan now”!

    God bless you!

    God bless the United States of America!

    God bless Sarah Palin!

    Christopher Massie
    http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    too many of his followers, sadly, follow Rand’s and Rothbard’s militant atheism.

    Paul also doesn’t seem to realize there is no country on Earth that we do not border. When people can fly from their country to the US in 24 hours an ocean to guard us offers exactly zero protection. That is why we must stand ready and have our military guaranteeing the freedom of transport on the seas and in the air while providing defense in depth to the American homeland. Who else would do this service without charging a heavy protection fee? China?!

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    @aesthete

    But it doesn

  • tcgeol

    I am not a fan of the Libertarian Party, and would not vote for them unless the only other option was a Democrat. However, authentic libertarianism possesses only the slightest resemblance to the caricature painted in the diary. If the diarist had intentions of discussing a subset of leftist “libertarians”, then he should have made that clear in the diary.

    There are some legitimate policy differences between libertarianism and conservatism, but a true Constitutional conservative should be moderately close to libertarian.

  • aesthete

    The OP made these claims (rebuttals not in italics):

    1) Libertarians are “crooked”. Relative to who or in which ways goes unsaid, and this claim must be taken at the OP’s word.

    2) Libertarians don’t care about and “degrade” the Constitution. For this, a single lazy strawman is established, wherein apparently libertarians (all of them, for we all know that libertarians march in lockstep) believe that George Washington’s farewell address is codified as part of the Constitution, rather than just thinking that we should reflect on the views embodied in the address. Clearly, this is a misrepresentation of the libertarian argument which, frankly, makes no sense if one has even peripheral knowledge concerning the movement. (I won’t even bother noting that most libertarians strongly support a strict constructionist reading of the Bill of Rights/Constitution, and that most consider Clarence Thomas a judicial model for that reason. Whoops, guess I already did.)

    3) Libertarians are (apparently) comprised “routinely” of racist, bigoted millionaires. I guess when liberals race-bait and class-bait conservatives and Tea Partiers without proof, it’s bad, but when a conservative does it to libertarians, it’s fine and dandy.

    4) “Libertarians are Socialists”. Socialism: “a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.” Per David Boaz of the libertarian Cato Institute: “”Libertarians defend each person’s right to life, liberty, and property–rights that people have naturally, before governments are created.” But hey, we have so many examples of libertarians marching in lockstep with socialists, like Milton Friedman’s legendary veneration of Brezhnev, and Hayek’s love of Stalin. Socialists love them some “Road to Serfdom” and “Free to Choose”! BTW, lest we forget, this is the main point of the OP. It’s not like he can afford to get that one completely wrong.

    5) “Fiscally conservative, socially liberal” = “Save the workers, kill the government”. Besides the fact that libertarians are not anarchists, and that argument from authority is logical fallacy, this ignores two things (both related to one another): first, that this statement is made in the context of either the Tsar’s government, or the “withering away” of the state that Marx hypothesized as the final phase of social development. Second, Lenin did not, in fact, save the workers or kill the government. It is like someone arguing that morality is bad because the devil said that morality is good, despite the fact that the devil’s claim to fame is his very wickedness. This is perhaps the nadir of the already low-quality OP, as it demonstrates at least 3 major logical fallacies.

    6)

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    @Scope:

    as I said on my blog:

    ‘The sheer thrill of discussing the Libertarian movement and all its current reptilian, cold-blooded, treacherousness has only been outdone these past days by the emotionally and intellectually electrifying banter with like-minded ~ yet surprisingly open-minded ~ Conservative colleagues I

  • Scope

    “real conservatives”? Ron Paul and Glenn Beck consider themselves “real libertarians”, which in many instances means I will go to the buffet, and chose only what I want. John McCain calls himself a Reagan footsoldier, and a conservative, yet voted for the destruction of free speech, amnesty for all God’s children, and will likely go with the Progressives Energy taxes, via Cap and Trade once re-elected. Unless one wants to undertake what definition applies to both “real conservatives” and “real libertarians” I don’t think the author was remiss. It is his “opinion”, take it or leave it. It is how he chose to write his diary.

    I think it is actually telling that the diarist is being called out for what he wrote, and is being ridiculed by those that would hold free speech as a valuable right. That is my whole point. If you don’t agree with what someone writes, either go point by point with a rebuttal, or move along, and let it go. I have no idea who Christopher Massie is, I never saw him write anything here before. I just think it is a bad practice to attack the messenger, by calling him stupid, and a Democrat, because some don’t agree with his points of view, or, how he presented them. Not every diary that is posted on this site qualifies for the Journalist award of the year.

    To be honest, I would rather be called a cracker than to be called a Democrat. Mr. Massie has said nothing to indicate that he isn’t a Reagan Republican.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    @tcgeol:

    For the sake of avoiding redundancy, I

  • aesthete

    and with your remark in general. Paul at one point made the eye-rolling statement that a few subs could defend America, which I found ridiculous. Besides, the US has a number of interests in other countries that can’t be maintained without the armed forces. Just wanted to clarify that point.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    beaglescout!

  • aesthete

    The term “libertarian” is pretty clearly-defined. The OP pulled a definition of libertarianism out of his a** that has no connection to even the broadest interpretation of libertarian. In fact, libertarianism is much better defined than conservatism: shall I inform Markos Moulitsas that Scope finds his comparison of American conservatism to the Taliban valid because some broad definition of conservatism would, in fact, render it valid? What you say is, in fact, fallacy of equivocation. I don’t really care whether the diarist is a “Reagan Republican” or not, except insofar as I hope that no one with such tenuous grasp of basic argumentation is voting in any election which might affect me or mine.

  • tcgeol

    You have repeated that many times here. We (to some extent) have a baseline for a “real conservative” or “real Republican” at Redstate. I remember you calling people RINOs and claining that some given politician wasn’t a

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    everything he said is wrong and possibly has a mendacious purpose of dividing libertarian conservatives from other conservatives when we are close to victory.

    And seriously, read this guy’s other diary he wrote today, he is a loon.

  • Scope

    When Achance, many times remarked about “you real conservatives”, what exactly did he mean by that?

    It is obvious that you have misunderstood my comment about “real” as opposed to “faux.” My comment about McCain should have been very clear- he called himself a conservative, but, left conservatism when it was expedient or convenient to do so. McCain is a RINO. Romney calls himself a conservative, but, as Governor, signed Masscare, which was state run healthcare. That is not a conservative position. Huckabee calls himself a conservative, but, as AK Gov. passed many tax increases. Newt calls himself a conservative, but, sat on the couch with Pelosi, to push a Cap and Trade tax on the American population. Rove calls himself a conservative, but pushed for a kinder, softer, more gentle kind of “compassionate conservatism” in pushing further entitlements on the population. W called himself a conservative, but, with TARP, said that he had to go against capitalism in order to “save” the country, or some such nonsense. There are many people who don the title of “conservative” that are nothing more than “faux” conservatives, who only accept certain parts of the conservative beliefs, only those sections that apply to them personally. I personally believe that a “real conservative” puts equal weight on social, fiscal and national security strengths. So, again, what would you consider Achance meant when he said, in a very derogatory manner, “you real conservatives”? Others here have also used the term the “real conservatives.”

    As far as Glen Beck goes, he believes that the Christmas day bomber should have been afforded his “miranda rights” because he was a naturalized citizen. He agrees that everyone has the right to say what they choose, no matter how egregious that speech may be. In that case, then please explain why he is very much against the GZM. Explain why he has played the Black Panther tapes, with the cracker language so many times, as an outrage. Explain why he has, for more than a year played the tapes of Van Jones, Anita Dunn, and Cass Sunstein et al, if everyone has the right to say what they will. Explain why he has done everything he can to expose the Obama administration, through their own words, and how that applies to his pure belief in free speech. Glen Beck is his own contradiction. He seems to apply his beliefs in free speech only to those he chooses to grace it with.

    If I didn’t make myself clear, I did not advocate that conservatism or libertarianism should be defined in the eyes of the beholder, but, rather on at least the very basic set of tenets that define those policy positions.

  • Scope

    and I do believe that you do have the ear of Markos Moulitsas.

  • http://draintheswamp2010.wordpress.com/ christophermassie

    @aesthete

    I find it similar to sparring with my little brother.

    Search the thread, you

  • Scope

    I meant to say when Huckabee was the Arkansas Governor.

  • aesthete

    It is simply the right of a citizen not to be threatened with force (typically by the government) for the things that person says. Glenn threatened no one with force by releasing those tapes. There is no inconsistency.

    And by “making yourself clear”, you undermine your initial assertion that the writer’s definition of libertarianism is just as valid as anyone else’s. If libertarianism can be defined by a “basic set of tenets”, it cannot be defined at the whim of the OP.

  • Scope

    n/t

  • Scope

    and don’t respond to his diaries. If he is beyond the posting rules, the moderators will ban him. So far, I don’t think he has crossed that line. Because you don’t agree with, or like what he wrote, you sure have given him some traffic.

    As much as I do not subscribe to Libertarianism, I have actually been the closest to Libertarian beliefs in free speech on this diary.

    Have a good evening everyone. Sorry I tried to come out against the trashing of a diarist, especially one who is on our side.

  • aesthete

    Libertarians believe that government should not infringe on free speech rights of others, not in a right to not be criticized by others(which is what you are asserting). It is passive aggressive and hypocritical of you to pretend like you’re simply fostering unity, when you uncritically endorsed his completely wrong and idiotic statements, and when his own diary needlessly fosters disunity between two ideologies that should be natural allies in the fight for Constitutional government.

  • rbdwiggins

    United, libertarians and conservatives create a strong coalition and hold enormous political power. The combined ideologies are the foundation of our constitutional republic and center-right society.

    Pit the two ideologies against each other and the good falls victim to the perfect. The only winner under that scenario is the State. Which, I suspect until proven otherwise, was the op’s original intent.

  • Scope

    for me, that is all you are good for. When your comments are less than 25 words, I suffer through them. When you post your long long long diatribes/preaching, I bypass your comments. So, what was it that you said above? Don’t bother, I won’t read it anyway.

  • Scope

    From your thousands of words posted here at RS, I think you even have the L/libertarians confused.

  • aesthete

    And all they amount to is this:

    1) I know a lot of poliitical buzzwords and personages.

    2) Ron Paul is a jerk, and therefore a socialist. This apparently means that the whole of libertarianism is socialism.

    The first claim is irrelevant, the second a logical fallacy (I’ll let you figure out which one). I’ll give you a freebie: Paul isn’t the end-all, be-all of libertarianism, much as he would like to be.

  • aesthete

    The only thing necessary to be a Christian is one confesses and repents of his sins before God, and that one make Jesus Christ the Lord of one’s life. That person’s ownership of slaves, personal bigotry, etc. are pretty immoral characteristics, to be sure, but irrelevant to the question of whether one is a Christian or not. And far be it from me to defend Paul (I loathe the man and his uselessness), but Paul wasn’t the author of the newsletters in question, and is not himself racist. (That said, the fact that he hasn’t done much to get rid of his racist associations speaks poorly of him.)

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    Now I will use many.

    On CM’s point of GB I don’t know that I have seen the use of the graph in question (I don’t have a TV). However he would not have been the first to use it. And it is valid.

    An anarchist generally is not a socialist, they just fail to realize an excess of anarchy (or a lack of a basic societal framework) leaves the tribe/city/state/nation an easy takeover for socialist/fascist/dictator/totalitarian forces.

    Where an anarchist is a socialist is when they are either slapping a label on themselves they don’t really understand or when they are a change agent acting on behalf of socialism and understanding the vulnerability anarchy reveals they act to expand it.

    I am not a (L)ibertarian personally but do have strong leanings that way. But before I get there I am a constitutionalist who understands the just and impartial rule of law by a government that obeys the law (particularly the constitution) itself is the ultimate defender of freedom.

    As I read the constitution (I am an Originalist), I see that 90% of what is being done in Da Cesspool is unconstitutional and should be stopped.