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Could Ron Paul win the GOP Nomination?

I have long said, and continue to believe that Ron Paul has little-to-no chance to win the GOP nomination.  In 2008, I viewed his chances as far closer to “no chance” than to “little chance.”  For the 2012 election, his chances are closer to “little” than they were 4 years ago.  That said, he remains a long-shot, with less of a chance of winning than most of the others on the stage.

The reasons why Paul has little chance are clear and can largely be attributed to the fact that he stands for and votes for what he believes, and that what he believes is not the same in terms of military and foreign policy as what most GOP primary voters believe.

There are, however, several factors in Paul’s favor this year that were not 4 years ago.  As a result, Paul does actually have a small chance to win, and his potential path to victory deserves some analysis.  First, here are the things working in Paul’s favor:

1.  Paul’s was right.  4 years ago when running for office, Paul was the singular candidate who stood opposed, not only to the TARP (which many opposed), but also to the interventions of the Federal Reserve.  Paul stood opposed to more-or-less the entire set of government programs which were sold to Americans as a solution to the financial crisis.  Republican and Democratic leaders all supported many of these actions and believed that the various stimulious plans would result in an end to the crisis and a better economy today.  While some politicians objected to parts of the plan, only Ron Paul objected to any government actions being taken to stimulate the economy by increasing the debt.  The state of the economy today stands as proof that Paul was right.  Furthermore, the fact that nearly the entire GOP now agrees with Paul proves that he has won public opinion to his views also.  New legislation was passed for the federal reserve to be audited, and Paul’s views have been adopted as mainstream. 

The same is true about Iraq and Afghanistan.  Most people opposed Paul’s possition on these issues in 2006, and today troops are leaving.  The country now agrees with him.  GOP primary voters are not automatically opposed to Paul based on his foreign policy as they were 4 years ago. 

2.  Paul polls better.  In 2008, Paul did not poll very well for a general election.  Now, we polls well against Obama.

3.  Paul has been talking a long time.  In 2008 his views were now and appeared radical.  4 years of listening to him, and listening to many in the GOP move to his views has resulted in Paul appearing more mainstream.

4.  Voters have changed.  They want someone new, outside of Washington, and even somewhat radical.  Bachman’s early surge, and Cain’s current surge shows a willingness of GOP primary voters to back a less credible candidate than in prior years.

5.  Paul almost won the AMES straw poll.  This signals several things.  First, that Paul can be expected to get more supports than folks who poll for him.  His supporters have a strong intensity, and will turn out in greater numbers.  Second, Paul has increased Iowa organization and support.  Third, the primary field is more crowded than in 2008.

Although a long-shot, here is how Paul could win the nomination:

1.  Paul needs to win Iowa.  If he loses Iowa, he will continue to get 10 – 15% support in the remaining states and lose.  A win in Iowa is a game-changer for Paul.  Iowa is also the best state for Paul to compete in because it will be the only state where every other candidate will compete in.  Santorum, Bachman, Cain, and Gingrich all need to win Iowa to stay in the game, and it is to every advantage for Huntsman to compete.  In the case of Perry, as his poll numbers are dropping it is looking more and more like he needs to win or place well in Iowa.  In Romney’s case, as his poll numbers remain strong, it makes sense for him to play for Iowa with the hopes of winning than and winning the nomination.  This means Paul will be playing in a crowed field–something to his advantage.  The winner in Iowa will likely only need about 25% of the vote to win.  For Paul, he starts with a base of 10%.  With strong organization and interest, that base will turn out in high numbers relative to his actual support, meaning he starts with 15% support in actual likely primary voters.  He thus needs to only close a gap of 10%; or convincing 1 in 10 new voters to support him. 

How Paul gets that 10% remains a challenge.  At best he can squeek out a few percent with better organization. He has the money and energy for that, but that will not fully close the gap on its own.  He needs to target voters who are winnable, which is somewhat difficult.  Pure social conservatives are not going to be with him.  Nor could he ever win the pro-big-military voter group.  This leaves him fighting to win the tea-partiers.  That is the group he could target.  The tea partiers who are not already in support of Paul are the same people who first supported Bachman, and now support Cain.  It is about 20% of the likely primary voters, and he has to win 1/2 of their votes to win the nomination.  It is that simple.

The typical tea partier is not interested in a big military, and is not focused only on social issues.  Paul is socially conservative enough to win their vote.  That said, Paul does need to explain what he thinks the role of the military is, and show some support to a military to defend the country.

Paul also needs to come out with a clear economic plan and tax plan.  One that gradually implements his ideas and is mainstream enough to win over people who are conserned that Paul is too far to the right.  Paul needs to explain what parts of government he would cut and how.  Does he plan to simply eliminate the department of education on day 1?  Or does he have a transition plan.  Does Paul plan to just abolish the income tax on day 1?  or does he have a plan to gradually reduce it.

If Paul is to win, he needs to have a pragmatic real-world plan that recognizes the world we live in.  He needs to show that his head is not in the clouds and that he has a real-world plan that would gradually and incrementally make the changes he proposes.  If not, he will be limited to his 15% of the vote, and will not be able to win over enough tea partiers to win Iowa.

2.  Paul needs to follow a win in Iowa with a win in NH.  That is a long-shot since he will be fighting against Romney and Hunstman.  The good news is that if Paul wins Iowa, he will get a huge boost and have a shot at NH.  The downside is that, even with a win in Iowa, Paul faces still a much harder chance in NH.  NH requires Paul to get 35% or more of the vote to have a chance (in the best case senario).  Likely he will need 40% or more to win.  This would require full tea party support for Paul and great organization.

3.  Even if Paul win Iowa and NH, he is still in trouble.  Romney has the money and organization to stay in such a race.  Perry may or may not.  If Perry drops out and it is Romney v Paul, Paul would need over 50% of the vote in each state to win.  Paul can ONLY do this if he can win the support of social conservatives as well as tea partiers.  Paul has no chance at the pro-military neocons.  Paul would need to be able to make the case that Romney is not trust worthy; that Romney is a flip-flopper and essentially another Obama.  That is not going to be an easy task; however, Paul cannot win with his supporters alone; he would need to go on the attack to beat Romney.  We would need to make Romney appear to be a sleeper liberal.  Only then would Paul face a chance to get over 50% of the vote.  If Perry stays in this helps Paul in that the threashold of votes Paul needs is fewer.  Plus, Perry wins in FL and SC could take some states away from Romney.

4.  Paul, however, faces a hard path and is an unlikely candidate to win votes from other candidates at convention.  While it may help him in some ways if Perry stays in, a 3-way race is a hard one for him.  His best shot is to go into convention with a delegate lead over Romney and then cut a deal with Romney to be his VP in exchange for his voters.  This would still require Paul to somehow get 40% of the delegates or more and it is much easier to see Romney and Perry making a deal than Romney with Paul.  This is almost impossible for Paul since Perry is also from Texas.  The president and VP cannot be from the same state.  So the only person either Perry or Paul could deal with would be Romney.  Perry is sitting governor of TX, and it is hard to see him showing any interest of anything short of VP.  So there is no deal Paul could make with Perry to result in Perry supporting Paul.  He cannot offer him VP since they are in the same state.  Paul could offer Romney VP, which would be the same offer that I’m sure Romney would make him.  Romney could choose to be a king maker between Perry and Paul, or could insist on being president and offer VP to both of them saying that they first to accept gets it.  The are many possibilities; however, in terms of a 3-way negotiation when 2 parties (Perry and Paul) cannot serve together on a ticket, means the Romney comes in with the strongest hand.  So, Paul’s unlikely, but still best chance at winning the GOP nomination is to come in with 40% plus of the vote and to make a deal with Romney as his VP.  Romney’s people vote Paul, and there you have it. 

As can be seen, such a situation is unlikely at each step.  It is unlikely Paul will win Iowa.  Unlikely he will win NH.  Even after those unlikely wins, it remains even all-the-more unlikely that he will win the most delegates in future states.  His best chance to win is for multiple other people to run, but even then, it is unlikely he would fair well if he goes to convention needing to make a deal.  When analysed, his path is extremely difficult and chance of winning the nomination remains slim to none.  Unlike other candidates, Paul could win Iowa and NH and still be the underdog.

COMMENTS

  • runner12

    One, while Paul is great when it comes to limited government and some (SOME) fiscal conservative issues, he is abysmal with foreign policy issues.

    He is too much of an isolationist and seems to have the inability to grasp that their are countries out there who want the West destroyed. Not because of anything we did, but because of their ruling belief systems. Pacifying an enemy never works. It did not work for Poland, Holland, Austria, etc. during WW2 with the Nazis. History is a great teacher if we will be wise enough to learn from her.

    Secondly, his positions on drug legalization alienates a lot of people. Some people may disagree with that, but the fact remains that this is a fringe position.

    Lastly, his supporters. The attitudes of a candidates’ supporters matters, right or wrong.. Many Paul supporters subscribe to conspiracy theories and/or are so far right they bend round to the Left. A select few share philosophies more akin to anarchy. They are also openly hostile to those who disagree with them or Paul.

    I have no hatred for Paul. I even agree with him on some things. But the things I disagree with him on are on such a grand scale that I could never pull the lever for him in a primary.

    • goodasgold

      beliefs are not in fact “beliefs”. Everything that Ron speaks of is backed by thousands of pages of CIA intelligence reports as well as top CIA officials that specialized in Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. You might not like to hear it but that doesn’t change the facts.

      If you want to claim that they simply hate us because of their belief system then where is your evidenc backing this up? Where are the wiretaps of Al Qaeda where they are discussing ways to kill us because of our women in the workplace?

      This whole “pacifying” an enemy thing is a joke. Comparing it to poland in ww2, first of all, yeah if poland was across and ocean from germany and they were a 3rd world country with no way to get there then yeah it would have worked! Rather though, Ron is not talking about pacifying Terrorists. He’s smart enough to realize, because of above mentioned intelligence, that being over there is Al qaeda’s plan. Their stated plan was to drag us into conflict where they can easily shoot our soldiers and more importantly bankrupt our country. When will you guys wake up to this?

      2nd Ron Paul does not have any sizable amount of supporters that are conspiracy theorists.No more than Mitt has supporters that are polygamists or Rick Perry KKK members. There are always outliers I haven’t cruised by REDSTATE in along time and now I’m laughing because I realized that this is the only place I’ve ever heard that said. Even in other more conventional GOP circles I don’t ever Republicans bring that up. It seems the culture here at redstate is extremely stubborn regarding Ron Paul. It’s like you guys are all trying to up each other in how closed minded you can be towards Ron Paul. It’s sad, even more sad because you’ll probably get the nominee that GOP voters oblivous to the past 10 years deserve.

      Runner12, perhaps you could search other venue’s for getting facts about Ron Paul because I rarely see him or his positions accurately portrayed here. And I always wonder why people would want to spend much time here when it’s clear that intellectually there is rarely any discussion here that threatens the status quo of Erick Erickson’s belief system regardin conservatism.

      • goodasgold

        These GOP candidates are completely clueless. Hermain Cain saying Greenspan was the best Fed Chairman? If the tea party hasn’t figured out how much Greenspan screwed them and their children then they deserve it.

        Mitt Romney in last debate saying the bailouts weren’t the best but it was better than the economy collapsing (paraphrase). This is insanely dangerous, the economy will not get better with intervention, resources will not be allocated to profitable ventures if we prop up toxic assets. If Romney’s understanding is that flawed imagine how easily swayed he will be by idiots and Bernanke when he gets in. We will be screwed.

        Gingrich, I keep hearing how he’s the GOP idea man and he’s brilliant. Has anyone ever seen his voting record? Pages and pages of voting for bigger government.

        Rick Perry doesn’t even know what’s going on in Texas, he can’t even deffend his record as governor because he doesn’t know what he’s been signing. It’s embarassing to see him gettting attacked and you can tell he doesn’t know if what they are saying is true or not.

        You guys need to wake up, none of these guys are going to balance a budget, none of them understand monetary policy

        • gekster

          You won’t convince anyone hear to vote for your boy Obama.

          • goodasgold

            Yeah, I’m a big OBAMA supporter. That obama sure talks about balancing the budget, sound money that won’t create more deficits. There is never any solid debate aga.inst Ron Paul.

            We’re all leftists or conspiracy theorists or anti-semetic. the same labeling tactics that janeane garofallo and keith olbermain employ are the same against Ron Paul. Makes me certain I’ve picked the right candidate

          • acat

            How comfortable are you with Iran having nuclear weapons?

            Do you happen to know how many metric tons of gold would be needed to convert us back to a gold standard, assuming the current number of dollars in circulation?

            Do you think it’s cool for a representative to vote against a bill that he or she has added an earmark to?

            Mew

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            His answer, as is Paul’s, is that they’re no problem since Iran will only use them on Israel. And Israel deserves it, harboring all those Jooooooooooos and stuff.

          • acat

            It’s the answer that’s troubling.

            Mew

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            not “bad question”…

          • devereaux

            “There is more than enough gold in Fort Knox, at current prices, to provide banks with sufficient reserves for backing the current money supply. Redeeming FR liabilities at the current price of gold is necessary to avoid both painful transitional deflation (as experienced in Britain in the 1920s, after it returned to gold at a parity too high for the price level) or transitional inflation (from returning at a parity too low). Here are the relevant numbers: Fort Knox contains 245.2m fine Troy ounces of gold. At $1615 / oz., that gold is worth $396b. This well exceeds currently required US bank reserves, which are only $83b. Current M1 is $2105b. Dividing the gold stock value by the M1 value, we find the available reserve ratio: $396b / $2105b = 18.8%, a gold reserve ratio more than sufficient for a stable monetary system, based on historical evidence.”

            http://tinyurl.com/3wpuc98

          • acat

            the question asked. I did not say “reserves”. I said “dollars in circulation”.

            I’m giving you partial credit for answering *a* question.

            Mew

          • devereaux

            “There is more than enough gold in Fort Knox, at current prices, to provide banks with sufficient reserves for backing the current money supply.”

            Money supply is dollars in circulation.

          • acat

            What you seem to be missing, though, is that “reserves” is a fraction of “dollars in circulation”.

            Words have meanings, eh? Reserves aren’t nearly the same thing as what I’m asking.

            Mew

          • APA Guy

            nt

          • mikeymike143

            So.

            Doubtless if unsurprisingly he never saw it coming. But Iran just sent a torpedo amidships to the Ron Paul campaign.

            Remember Congressman Paul back at that Fox debate in Iowasaying to Chris Wallace that the threat from Iran was “small”? That “Iran does not have an air force that can come here?. They can’t even make enough gasoline for themselves?” This was in addition to Paul’s attack on former president George W. Bush for signing an executive order designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a “terrorist group.” All are of a piece in the consistent Ron Paul theme that many see as a McGovernite foreign policy. Not only far-left wing philosophically but with a startling — and dangerous– na?vet? about the nature of America’s enemies.

            Comes now the news that lo and behold Iran is being accused by the FBI — with the charge backed up by House Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican– of plotting not one but two attacks on American soil. The targets being the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. and the Israeli Embassy.

            The attack was stopped, the plot unraveled. And the plotters? That would be, reports Newsmax, two suspects arrested who are connected to “Iran’s Quds Force, an element within Iran’s elite Islamic Revolution Guards Corps that is known for carrying out operations beyond Iran’s borders.”

            All of which is to say, Congressman Paul’s theories about Iran have just been blown to smithereens.

            Iran didn’t use an air force to get to America — it had an Iranian, American-naturalized citizen Manssor Arbabsiar –already here.

            Suppose instead of a plot to blow up a Washington restaurant — among the charges — with a conventional bomb, Arbabsiar and his cohort had managed to smuggle in a nuclear weapon? What did Paul write in his book The Revolution in addition to scorning the idea that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard was a danger?

            I had said all along that Iran posed no imminent nuclear threat to us or to her neighbors.

            This time around, luck was on America’s side. Iran didn’t– yet — have the capacity to smuggle in a nuclear weapon. But they were within a whisker of getting a conventional bomb and killing hundreds –on American soil.

            An act which all by itself could easily be defined as an act of war.

            But the real casualty here?

            The Ron Paul movement.

            The congressman has just been shown to be wrong about Iran– big time.

            Fortunately for the intended targets, for conservatives and for America the only real casualty here is the Paul campaign — and the na?ve ideas that drive its leftist foreign policy crusade.

            http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/12/iran-bomb-plot-sinks-ron-pauls

          • acat

            I have been wrong. From time to time.

            Mew

          • gekster

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            He’s an imbecile. And a jackass. Just like his hero.

          • gekster

            The trollies just wanted to perform, and he gave me the chance to let them.

          • Scope

            I saw him on a video on Fox.

      • runner12

        1). Al-Qaeda makes videos almost weekly detailing their desire for America’s demise. One does not need CIA reports for this ( I noticed no citations for this claim), one only needs a computer and the intelligence to spell G-o-o-g-l-e.

        2). Your geographical comparison between Poland and Germany to Afghanistan/Iraq and the US today is a weak argument. In WW2, the warfare was mainly land-based with minimal air strike capabilities. Today we have long range missiles with nuclear capabilities. Geographical location is a moot point when Iran is working in nukes that could reach the U.S or allies. To boot, some of these missiles are mobile which enable them to be launched from anywhere.

        3). Your behavior exemplifies what I was saying about his supporters. I actually outlined in my post some things I agree with Paul on. I also happen to really like his son, Rand Paul. But I DO NOT agree with him on everything and his foreign policy views are a non-starter for me. Additionally, I base my viewpoints about the conspiracy theorists based on the Paul supporters who have posted them on Red State. If one of them could honestly argue facts in an intelligent manner, my viewpoint might be different. But I have yet to find one who could.

      • runner12

        1). Your counterpoint regarding Poland and Germany is weak due to the changes in warfare since that time. In WW2 warfare was more land-based with air support as needed. The range of bombers was limited. Nowadays we have long range missiles, some with nuclear capabilities. A few of these things could be mobile rendering the distance between the US and Afhganistan a moot point. Also could you provide a citation for your CIA claims? How would Paul know this and no on else? By the way, Al-Qaeda puts out videos all of the time expressing their desire to destroy us. Anyone with a computer and who knows how to spell g-o-o-g-l-e can discover that for themselves. No super secret papers needed!

        2). My statement regarding Paul supporters is based by what I see at RS. They are always spouting conspiracy theories and become hateful when anyone disagrees with anything Paul does. You are doing this right now. I stated some positive aspects of Paul, and you still become upset because I think his foreign policy is poor and naive. I am no Paul hater, I just strongly disagree with him.

        3).Your hateful comment upthread about the “religious right” ( a term only lefties use) is precisely why people like you alienate a majority of the base. You have no tolerance for people who disagree with you.

      • devereaux

        With a $14 trillion national debt, the United States simply cannot afford to continue to engage in the type of military adventurism embodied by the Libya campaign and advocated by McCain, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and prominent neo-conservative thinkers William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

        http://tinyurl.com/3omflx2

        • defenseconservative

          America’s total military spending for this fiscal year ($650 bn) constitutes less than 19% of the total federal budget and a paltry 4.4% of GDP. Whether waging the Afghan, Iraqi, and Libyan wars was a wise a decision or not is a disputable issue, but increasing military spending after 9/11 was undisputably a wise decision and a necessity.

          Providing robust funding for the military is not an un-conservative policy – it is a conservative policy, fully in line with conservative philosophy and the Constitution. Cutting defense spending is an un-conservative, liberal, leftist policy.

          You and your fellow paulbots are now trying to hijack conservatism and remold it into what your idol Ron “Blame America First” Paul wants it to be: economic free-market policies, but coupled with an extremely leftist foreign/defense policy, including massive defense cuts. You have no right to do this. You have no right to call yourselves conservatives. You are not conservatives and never were.

          The day that cutting defense and isolationism become tenets of conservaitive philosophy will be my last day as a conservative.

          • devereaux

            Is over a trillion a year which includes defense. Bring the troops home from Japan, Korea, Europe and begin the painful draw down in the Middle East.

            Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chief said the biggest National Security threat we face is our debt.

            Defense can and must be cut.

          • defenseconservative

            The total military budget for FY2012 is $645 bn: $631 bn for the DOD and ca. $15 bn for the DOE’s nuclear weapon programs. Your $1 trilion dollar figure is utterly false, and that’s because it’s been fabricated.

            A “national security budget”? What’s that? Some artificial creature that you’ve cooked up to exaggerate America’s military spending? Or the same false creation that Bruce Fein (a paid Ron Paul liar who knows nothing about military spending, the federal budget at large, or the Constitution) has cooked up? Don’t even try to cite his laughable screeds here. Lumping together various agencies that are related to national security is ridiculous and wrong. It amounts to lying.

            Bringing back troops home from Japan, Korea, and Europe would cost a lot MORE money than keeping them where they are, and would endanger the US as well as its allies.

            Defense spending cannot afford to be, and must not be, cut.

          • powertothepeople

            I disagree with your statement that defense can not be cut. I guess a more accurate statement of disagreement from me would be that we need to reign in stupid defense spending.

            There was a diary here a few years ago that showed some crazy spending coming from the defense agencies such as 20 plus thousand for a toilet. In the big scheme of things, 20,000 does not make a huge difference in the overall budget, but considering all the branches and the similar excessive spending, it adds up.

            I believe that defense should be our number one priority. If a branch or branches of the service need a certain amount of money to be efficient, up to date tech wise, and have enough manpower/supplies/staff/etc, they should have it with no strings attached. But at the same time, when branches are spending 20 plus thousand on a pooper seat, there needs to be some form of deep accountability and control over how the money is spent and the first thing that needs to be done is open to the public bidding on all non classified spending and some form of bid approval set up to make sure toilets are not costing the taxpayer 20 thous,

            I do not think it needs cut per se, I just think that what we are spending actually needs to be spent on military needs, not fattening a contractors wallet. If this was accomplished, we would get more bang for our buck and less money would be needed to get everything the military needs because less would be spent on nonsense. Outside of that, if the military needs it, they should have it and Ron Paul can be damned.

          • defenseconservative

            the overall size of the defense budget should not be reduced any further, but some efficiencies can and should be made at the DOD.

            Specifically:

            The core defense budget for FY2012 ($530 bn under the CR, $513 bn if the Senate has its way) is barely sufficient and we can’t afford to cut it further. The military is already overstretched, has huge modernization needs (it needs to replace an entire generation of airlift planes, fighters, bombers, helicopters, tankers, EW planes, ships, and amphibious assault vehicles), and needs to confront new challenges such as cyber threats, ASAT weapons, and the proliferation of ballistic missiles.

            Is there some wasteful spending in the annual defense budget? Surely there is. Can the DOD be much more efficient than it is now? You bet. But because of the military’s needs, as stated above, any savings made in the DOD have to be reinvested in the DOD.

            I’m not sure what you were talking about when you wrote that

            “when branches are spending 20 plus thousand on a pooper seat, there needs to be some form of deep accountability and control over how the money is spent and the first thing that needs to be done is open to the public bidding on all non classified spending and some form of bid approval set up to make sure toilets are not costing the taxpayer 20 thous,”

            I’m not aware of the DOD doing that now. The DOD was doing this during the 1980s (until Weinberger and the Congress took corrective action).

            I agree with you that

            “what we are spending actually needs to be spent on military needs, not fattening a contractors wallet. If this was accomplished, we would get more bang for our buck and less money would be needed to get everything the military needs because less would be spent on nonsense. Outside of that, if the military needs it, they should have it and Ron Paul can be damned.”

          • devereaux

            “Bringing troops home from Japan Korea nd Europe would a lot more money than keeping them there.”

            Simply false.

            “Defense spending cannot afford to be, and must not be, cut.”

            You are no conservative.

          • rbdwiggins

            will leave Russia in control of the Middle East and most of South East Asia (After they crush Iran (Russia’s proxy in the Middle East), and set the terms for unconditional surrender). Effectively giving Russia control over 37% of the world’s oil supply and all of Europe’s natural gas supply.

            Putin has already indicated that crude oil prices should be $200/BL, and Russia has already shown no qualms about shutting down Europe’s natural gas supply just to make a point.

            The result will be the total collapse of the world’s economy. In order to reduce their own economic burden, China and Russia will likely purge millions from their respective populations.

            Nothing the United States does happens in a vacuum, as opposed to the space between the ears of the typical Ron Paul supporter, and our isolationist policies of the past led to two world wars.

            Admiral Mullen is right. Debt is one of the biggest threats to our national security. It reduces our ability to project American power across the globe, and subsequently, emboldens our enemies.

            The US military is already undersized and overstretched.

            If you’re serious about reducing our national debt, eliminate all of the social engineering programs along with their respective departments and agencies, and get the federal government’s tentacles out of the private sector.

  • Scope

    No candidate who can only get 6% of the population to vote for him could. That number isn’t going up anytime soon. Obama would win in a landslide.

  • acat

    (and has bupkis other than pork for shrimpers in his district to show for it)

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Because in four years we’ll all be wishing for the gold old “President Obama Days”.

  • LibertyWins

    the GOP and conservative media would rally to get him elected. The stark difference between Paul and Obama would allow Paul to win handily.

    That being said, he needs to get the nomination and that seems unlikely.

  • sailingaway

    Truly, look it up. The Harris poll this month had Ron Paul beating Obama by one point, the CNN had Ron Paul losing by 4 points, but only Romney did better, and on and on. The only place that doesn’t hold true is when all the candidates aren’t polled at the same time. Ron Paul dominates with independents. The GENERAL election would be the easy part.

    I disagree with some things in the article above, but agree Ron Paul has a path to win. I think ads like his new one being shown in Iowa will help him broaden his base there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MkAsLPrnJGc

    Monday he is releasing his economic plan in Nevada (at least that is what it sounds like.)

    Onward.

  • mcclarinj

    Ron Paul polled second in Nevada in 2008 and this time around the party apparatus is filled with Paul supporters. He was the first to begin TV ads there this year and has recently made a $2.5 million ad buy. Not many delegates but a win there could further propel him in standing nationally.

  • izoneguy

    polls are not worth a crap

  • Scope

    George Soros.

  • goodasgold

    it should tell you that as horrible as obama is doing voters still don’t want some crazy evangelical republican legislating their morality. And no several different polling groups over a year and a half of consistent results is not crap. Deal with it..

  • goodasgold

    thought out intelligent mbecker comment

  • acat

    Ron Paul declares war on the spiders of mars?

    Mew

  • goodasgold

    we know that the neocons have never found a war they didn’t like.

  • gekster

    Just who are they.

  • gekster

    why do you think he is crazy.

  • circlegranch

    Everybody is battling whether or not Cain is the real deal, who loves and hates his 999 plan and the ongoing and very boring conversation about Romney not being able to get much past 23%. When will America wake up and stop letting the media pick the candidates the Republicans are supposed to take, like them or not? Obviously, not in time for 2012.

  • goodasgold

    necessarily talking about only perry. I’m saying the American voters are smart enough and correct to realize that we’d be just as bad off with Mcain or Bush right now. Those guys were both keynesians with no economic knowledge like obama.

    Voters aren’t going to just vote for anyone that isn’t obama and when candidates are evangelical voters summits talking religion and people like bachman are talking about banning porn and discussing gay marriage, santorurm with don’t ask don’t tell.

    You people need to realize that the tipping point has finally been reached in America, these are now issues that will hurt you dramatically in the general election. The Religious right of the GOP has been turning off young voters for several generations now and it’s caught up with them. To be talking about these things during a deep recession is tone def.

  • izoneguy
  • gekster

    It’s nice to know you have such great insite on the American People,
    which are 80% Christian.

    The HuffPo is calling.

  • goodasgold

    allowed to refer to GOP voters on here as you people?

  • goodasgold

    [VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSjiq1pLVY[/VIDEO]

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    click the link and you find that the “video link is malformed”.

  • runner12

    I have no idea why it posted both replies. I thought I had lost my first one. It must be the interference from the tinfoil hat wearers.

  • circlegranch

    anybody can win there just as anybody can win in any of the primaries which is why one of the candidates is adamant about closing the gap and moving them all up as fast as possible to shut this primary down.

    The GOP establishment pushed Michael Steele out for being bold and speaking his mind. That doesn’t work in this party. They prefer quiet boardroom, closed door meetings to fulfill their agenda.