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Wishfull Perry support could backfire

I’d like to start by saying I support Newt, and so am not completely unbiased.

I have noticed that on Redstate there are a number of articles from folks to continue to propose that Perry has a path to victory.  They suggest various ideas, which are wishfull thinking, and include:

  • The idea Perry could come in 4th or worse in Iowa and still win the nomination.  Perry’s poll numbers in NH are horrible (2.3%).  His numbers are also not compeditive in SC (8%), or nationally (7.3%).  He has been spending his money.  I’m not sure how they think he could win in SC, if he will not have money or resources or momentum to play there.  If Perry finishes anything but 1st in Iowa, someone else will get momentum and money from a win in Iowa.  Someone else will get momentum and money from a win in NH.  By the time SC comes, Perry will be worse in the polls there than he is now, and he is already low (Perry – 8%, Gingrich 41%, Romney 22%, Bachmann and Paul around 6%, Santorum at 3%) .
  • The idea that Perry could unify social conservatives in Iowa.  Bachmann’s and Santorum are both running hard for social conservatives.  Santorum has been doing so his whole campaign.  Paul attracks some social conservatives as well.  Gingrich, despite his flaws, still is generally acceptable to most social conservatives.  Despite his personal flaws, his actual record in public office has been very strongly pro-life and pro-family.  Romney campaigned very hard in Iowa as a social conservative in 2008, and has some appeal to social conservatives also.  Frankly, social conservatives have been very sought after this election.  With the exception of Huntsman, the field is comprised entirely of candidates are are, generally speaking, socially conservative.  Frankly speaking many voters want to vote for someone with a good chance at winning.  Those who do not care about that, would just-as-likely support Santorum or Bachmann. (Santorum is 5.4% in Iowa, Bachmann at 9.2%, Perry at 9.6%)  Bachmann has organization from her straw poll win.  Even in the unlikely event that all Bachmann and Santorum supporters backed Perry, he still loses)
  • The idea that Perry is winning debates.  Perry had a good debate on the 10th.  That said, so did Bachmann and Gingrich.  No one — even Perry — is going to argue that he is a better debater than Newt.  Perry is not going to win the nomination by being the best at debate.  As he is a weaker debater, his best hope initially was that people would look at his impressive resume.  Perry’s strength was his record of job creation in Texas, and that he is a sitting governor twice re-elected.  Perry’s other strength was the idea that he would be electable both in the GOP primary and against Obama.  His poor poll numbers suggest he is not the best campaigner.  Once he dropped from the top of the pack, Perry lost one of his key sell points — the idea he could beat Romney.   Now Gingrich wins that arguement hands-down, as the alternative to Romney.  There is no one who can reasonable say that Perry is a better campaigner or more likely to beat Romney than is Gingrich.  The mere fact of the polls numbers makes the case against Perry.

Now, I support Newt, and he is the clear alternative to Romney.  That said, if someone does not like Romney and does not like Newt, the 3rd place candidate right now is Paul.  If someone also does not like Paul, that person is faced with the choice of which long-shot to pick.  Huntsman, Perry, Bachmann, or Santorum.  Frankly, Huntsman’s biggest supporters appear to be Democrats.  Bachmann, Santorum, and Perry combined have less than 20% of the vote.  Even if Santorum and Bachmann left the race, Perry would still fall short of being able to win Iowa.  He would fall short in NH, and in SC and in FL.  I would not bet on Huntsman supporters backing Perry, but even if they did, he would fall short.

So, the bottom line is that Gingrich, Romney, and Paul have about 70% of the vote nationwide.  In Iowa, they have 65% of the vote.  In Iowa, Perry, Santorum, and Bachmann combine to 25% of the vote.  Combined, they have less support than Gingrich alone.  Huntsman is at 2%.  COMBINED, in NH, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum have 6.5%.  Not an average, but the sum of their support.  Romney, Gingrich, and Paul have have 76% in NH.  With Huntsman, it is over 85% of the vote.  In SC, Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum have 17%.  Gingrich has ove r 40%, Romney over 20%, and combined with Paul have about 70% of SC’s vote.

Perry supporters should take a close look at Gingrich, Romney, and Paul.  If they feel equally about all those candidates, Perry supports should vote for Perry.  However, if someone is on-the-fence between the long-shot Gov. Perry, and one the leading candidates, it may be a good idea to back the more winnable candidate.

The race between Gingrich and Romnney is not importaint if you think they are carbon copies.  However, if you feel one is better than the other, I suggest you strongly think about voting with your head and not your heart.  Wishfull thinking for Perry will not change his odds.  However, you support for Romney, Perry, or Paul may make a difference.

I say this with respect to folks who may dissagree.  That said, I ask that people consider the facts and the actual poll numbers and history of this campaign before they decide who to support.  Perry’s poll numbers dropped as people got to know him.  The debates hurt him.  He had money and ran major add buys in Iowa, but polls the same as Santorum who lacks any money or campaign infustructure.  Perry will likely lose Iowa, lose NH, lose SC, run out of money and drop out.  He cannot weather a poor showing in Iowa.  He has no support in NH to bounce back with and trails Gingrich in SC 5 to 1.

As a final statement, if you think Romney is not conservative enough, you don’t like Paul on foreign policy, and you are not happy with Gingrich’s personal life mistakes of 20 years ago, — perhaps you need to start lowering your expectations.  You will not find Mr. Perfect running in every election.  Governor Perry, like Bachmann and Santorum, is not very likely to win.  He has spent millions only to see his support drop.  He may have alot of good qualities, but he is not the candidate that the people in his country are looking for.   If you support him, good for you.  However, support him based on a sane reason.  Maybe you like him on the issues.  Maybe you like his charector.  Do not support him on the silly idea that he is more electable or has a serious path to victory.  He has no more a chance of winning that does Bachmann or Santorum.

COMMENTS

  • red_oakster

    If he does, he’s beaten at least one of Gingrich, Romney or Paul. If he finishes ahead of Romney in Iowa, he can move on to South Carolina with some momentum among conservatives. That’s a path towards the nomination. It’s a difficult one, but it’s not impossible. A poll today had him only four points outs of second. If he finished fourth, it’s hard to see a path.

    In South Carolina, he would need to finish second or first. Let’s suppose Romney finishes third in South Carolina behind Perry. At that stage, Perry would be a comeback kid. Again, it’s a long shot, but it’s not impossible.

  • Common_Cents

    will be tough to beat. Perry has to finish in top 2 or top 3 if he beats Gingrich to gain additional support.

    Every little bit helps in the war of attrition and consolidation.

    Candidates who drop out are more likely to endorse a front runner. I can’t see Bachmann or Santorum endorsing Perry if he is still in single digits.

    Gingrich is the favorite to get those endorsements especially when he has the most tea party support. He also has the highest enthusiasm ratings of candidates. Those two factors will help overcome that lack of ground work. It will be interesting to see what happens.

    Gingrich just signed a marriage vow pledge in IA, that should help even as symbolic. I don’t think it was the full same sex marriage pledge. A smart move to split the difference in anticipation for the general. Perry’s anti gay ad would hurt him tremendously in the general. He is now getting heckled for it daily on the campaign trail. Geez, don’t go out of your way to wake up the left’s base like that.

    Coming in top 3 in IA for Gingrich will also allow him to pick up more ground staff from others dropping out. It is reported his beachhead is in SC where he has a huge lead and the most staff of any candidate. The guy did his homework as SC has correctly picked the GOP nominee for quite some time.

  • Common_Cents

    recorded today in NH.

  • chadosborne

    Perry might beat Newt in Iowa.and drive the Newtster out of the race.

    Just look at the latest ARG poll that came out today.

    Then consider the fact that Newt is being targeted by every other campaign.

    Newt’s base is made up of tea party folks and evangelicals who will drop him like a cheap suit once they find out about his record.

    Perry has money so the smart play would be to expose Newt’s record and get his old supporters back.

    Newt will not sustain his current level of tea party support for long. He will either lose it to Perry now or to Romney later on when he becomes the only alternative.

  • acat

    That’s where you lose me.

    Yes, Perry has to finish above Ron Paul in Iowa to be taken seriously – but there’s no reason for him to quit – to admit failure – prior to March 6, 2012. He’s got money in the bank and a message that’s appealing in the South – where most of the early races will be won.

    Mew

  • jrfromdallas

    Perry has picked up his game of late as far as debates go and his words are resonating with the voters of Iowa. 60% of the people polled in Iowa have stated that they can be persuaded even though they are leaning towards a candidate right now. Perry also has higher positive ratings then both Newt and Mitt so I think that will also show up during the Caucus. Perry’s record is current and better than anyone else pursuing the nomination. I feel that another strong debate performance plus an endorsement by the Iowa governor/senator will put him over the top. We’ll see but I hope I’m right you’re wrong about this.

  • jrfromdallas

    Perry has picked up his game of late as far as debates go and his words are resonating with the voters of Iowa. 60% of the people polled in Iowa have stated that they can be persuaded even though they are leaning towards a candidate right now. Perry also has higher positive ratings then both Newt and Mitt so I think that will also show up during the Caucus. Perry’s record is current and better than anyone else pursuing the nomination. I feel that another strong debate performance plus an endorsement by the Iowa governor/senator will put him over the top. We’ll see but I hope I’m right you’re wrong about this.

    • Common_Cents

      are they missing perry supporters in polls? filtering them out? I’m trying to think of the disconnect here.

      • bzip

        CC you are such a idiot at times!

        I take it you missed the poll that shows Perry is climbing: Taken from Dec 8-11 (so it doesn’t have the full affect from the debate on Saturday in which Perry did well in the debate) :

        Newt 22% (he was at 27% so Newt down 5%)
        Romney 17%
        Paul 17%
        Perry 13% (UP 8% from last polling)

        The mere fact that Perry is climbing in the poll should dispel your bashing nonsense of Perry.

        I take it you didn’t catch the article that perry is *just* starting his 44 city 14 day bus tour through Iowa.

        I take it you haven’t been paying attention at all but too busy bashing every minute you get.

        • Common_Cents

          ;)

          • bzip

            You again prove you are a Idiot!

            Your, (key word is Your) statement yacking about *polls* (second key word, poll),

            I personally don’t pay much attention to polls at least in Iowa since it is a caucus and polls aren’t too accurate for caucuses BUT YOU brought up POLLS.

            YOU want to translate POLLS to Perry. When are you going to get some brain cells?

          • Common_Cents

            When you call others idiots. Brilliant discussion. How old are you? 13?

            Dont get mad at me, get mad at Perry’s campaign. I’d like to vote for him but he inspires about zero confidence in winning so far.

            Motomayor, the 8th sup ct judge?

          • bzip

            I at mad, in fact I am very happy for Perry. You on the other hand my have some serious insecurities either in yourself or your candidate if all you can do is go around bashing Perry.

            Oddly enough you can’t seem to bash his record some much but seem to bash every little thing he does or doesn’t do. If you can do that you bash everything Perry “might” do.

            Talk about pinned up frustration and insecurities – you sure have the
            common cents. If you really felt so secure and happy with your cabndidate, why bother wasting your time with bashing perry – is it because you feel he is such a threat.

          • Common_Cents

            I love Perry’s record. I have major doubts on his electability along with many other people.

            If he can dramatically change that and become the nominee, I’ll be happy to support him.

            He was at the top earlier and blew it big time. He has a long way to go to get the mojo back.

          • avagreen

            Why do I doubt the sincerity of your positive statements for Perry?

            Or, is it just his supporters you dislike by using such a downing label?

            Just to be fair: what do you call the candidates that support your guy?

          • Common_Cents

            hehe

          • Scope

            and love your enthusiasm for Perry. Please can I ask that you proofread your posts before you hit the post button. Ummm, your getting a little sloppy with your posts. Believe me, I am not a good speller, and I often misspell things, but to misspell things that you have misspelled often lately is not a good thing. But thank you for the Perry support nonetheless.

          • onemovoter

            After people were able to read the entire transcript of the DMR interview of Perry, they found out that both the 8 SC judge statement and the Motomayor were not flubs as reported.

            The 8 SC judges he was referring to was the 8 to 1 ruling of the 1962 SC case where they said kids couldn’t pray in public schools. Seems the reporters were the clueless ones on that.

            As far as the SC judge name, Motomayor is a judge that Perry appointed down in TX to the Texas Supreme court and and said “not Motomayor, but the other, where a reporter blurted out Sonya.

            You should be like most conservatives and be wary of any odd reports coming out about some flub by a candidate before the actual video or transcript of the entire situation is known. HotAir had to put up a new post pointing this out and basically saying they jumped the gun.

          • bzip

            It would seem to me that Common Cents should spend more time on learning about his candidate and how to defend his candidate rather then bash other candidates. I can see questioning candidates records, charter but it is clear common cents wants to bash just to bash.

            Perhaps Common Cents might be able to explain Newt’s tax plan a little better as it seems to be getting some attention these days; Hopefully Common cents has a few brain cells left that he won’t accuse the writer of being a left wing nut job BUT rather address the concerns:

            Newt Gingrich’s ‘mind boggling’ tax plan
            http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/12/news/economy/newt_gingrich_taxes/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

            Hopefully that will keep Common Cents busy defending his own candidate’s policies rather then bash bash and more bash

          • avagreen

            Former House Staffer: October 1998 Is the Essential Gingrich Case Study
            I remember someone having to follow him around with a notebook to keep track of all his “promises”. It was embarrassing.

            http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48099#comment-385176753

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            You’re hanging your hat on Michael Savage?!

          • bzip

            It seems like a pattern is developing. We have had a good number of high profile people come out strongly against Newt. Some people from his past, some highly regarded Tea Party conservatives, some pundits but all pretty much saying the same thing – Don’t let Newt get the nomination he would lose to Obama and if he didn’t he would be a disaster as a President.

            You would think between Newt’s questionable past, his character, his questionable position on various issues, his infidelity and all these people come out against Newt would draw serious concerns by anyone.

            We have had Senator Tom Coburn, Rep Peter King (I know, they Newt supports will quickly dismiss them as “establishment”) come out strongly opposed to Newt.

            We have had Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, come out against Newt.

            We have Ken Cuccinelli a very strong conservative express his concerns about Newt’s big gov’t past and present ideas.

            We have a strong Tea Party favorite conservative Senator Rand Paul who also opposes Newt (when pressed if only a Romney or Newt race – Rand Paul could NOT accept Newt as Newt parades as a conservative at least Romney you know what you are getting). In all honesty I am with Rand Paul on this one.

            I am sure the Newt supporters will find away to spin all of this; they are all liberal wing nut establishments types is my guess on how they will spin it – but you are spinning it is all,

          • heraklios

            so we need to get behind him…warts and all. Personally, I would prefer your man, Rick Perry, but he is stuck in single digits and unable to challenge Romney

          • bzip

            Boy you are full of it. I guess you haven’t been paying attention. Perry has been beating Romney down, is the only one who has, ever since Perry got in the race,.

            The now famous – “I can’t hire illegals I am running for office” that line Perry gloated out of Romney. The now famous 10K bet, the now famous flip-flopping on the health care mandate.

            It was Perry who has gotten Romney so rattled and has been the only one.

            So let me get this straight. You give up your principles for the guy at the top of the polls – that is sick.

          • heraklios

            and he gets nothing but kudos from me on that. However, he is still tied with Michelle Bachman for 4th in Iowa and shows no signs of moving up. Newt maybe isn’t as conservative but has resonated with people for whatever reason. I am most concerned about Romney winning 20-22% and carrying Iowa by default because of the conservative vote being divided. I think we have to pick a candidate and get behind him (or her). Newt just happens to be the man on the spot right now. Also, I highly suspect, based on my observations from the 1980s and 1990s, that Newt is much more conservative than people today give him credit for being.

          • bzip

            You miss the latest poll from Iowa I guess:

            Taken Dec 8-11 (so it doesn’t reflect most of the last debate which should favor Perry):
            http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary/rep/ia/

            Newt 22% (was at 27%)
            Romney 17%
            Paul 17%
            Perry 13% (Up 8%)
            Bachmann 7%

            Give it time, but don’t give up on principles. Perry is only going up and Romney is clearly going down.

          • pj2012

            according to an American Research Group poll released on Monday 12/12/11.

            Gingrich took 22 percent of the support from likely Iowa caucus-goers, which is a 5-point drop from the previous poll. Mitt Romney and Ron Paul both came in at 17 percent, followed by Rick Perry at 13 percent, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum at 7 percent, and Jon Huntsman at 5 percent.

            http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/198735-poll-gingrich-loses-ground-in-tight-iowa-race

          • pj2012

            Perry has jumped eight points from ARG’s November survey, when he was at 5% support. Gingrich was at 27% in ARG’s November poll, with Romney at 20% and Paul at 16%. See NEW ARG poll above.

          • romansdaughter

            About Perry…he/she just loves to bash and snipe for their own misguided pleasure. It is one thing to point out things you disagree about another candidates record or actions but it is entirely different when you just snipe and belittle just for the fun of it.

          • Common_Cents

            It was curious that Perry didn’t clarify that on his Blitzer interview yesterday. He just said he didn’t know why he said it.

          • avagreen

            Which way do you want it?

          • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

            http://www.redstate.com/chrysostom15/2011/12/12/wishfull-perry-support-could-backfire/#comment-515

          • avagreen

            I know that you understand that I was pointing out CC’s trap he/she set. Using his/her reasoning, there was no way for anyone for Perry to make a winning post.

            Devious. And, dishonest.

          • Common_Cents

            .

        • lucasblack

          That’s an Aaarrrgggghhhh! poll. As such, not to be taken seriously. Here is some news from PPP’s twitter feed today

          ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
          1st round of calls on this week’s Iowa poll- Newt up by similar margin to last week, Bachmann makes it a 3 way tie for 2nd with Paul/Mitt

          So it looks like Bachmann got the momentum out of the debate rather than Perry.

  • andystone

    a well argumented diary with a misspelling in the title becomes thus becomes a chrysostom15 fixture…

  • carolina

    The only thing that I know for sure, at this point, is that it will NOT be for Romney.

  • reggie182

    You have your chosen candidate, and I respect that. You have legitimate criticisms of Perry’s opponents, and I respect that. There can be a lively, but civil debate between supporters of all the candidates.

    But when some choose to refer to those who criticize Perry as “idiots”, or refer to the other person’s candidate as “evil” or “sleaze” (yes I’ve seen Newt called that on this site), then a line has been crossed. First, you are doing nothing to help Rick Perry with such behavior. People who are not supporting him now but who are inclined to give him a second look, find that sort of attitude repugnant, and are much less likely to join your camp because of it. Second, you are hindering the chances of party unity in the general election next year when the goal will be getting BHO out of office.

    • jimmyg

      It is primary time. There are several new posters, and a few veteran posters that should know better. In the main they are passionate supporters of Gov. Perry and when they run out of arguments, or just become frustrated, start the name calling. I do not remember the 2008 primary season being as contentious around here, but that may be caused by a failing memory, and the fact that several years ago this was a different type of place.

      Give it a couple of months, the race will have settled down, and the temperature will go down several degrees.

      • reggie182

        n/t

    • center77

      because of how that candidates supporters act to be funny, that’s your measure. Newts has been a sleeze in his life, bug time, don’t know if he is still. What I do know is he a insider who used his considerable influence to make millions, and he is a big government type who believes he has the answers, which by in large means the government, because that’s Newt. He called himself a Wilsonite and called FER the greatest president ever. So we need no reason to not keep telling the truth about Newt, its the truth.

      • reggie182

        Newt did not call FDR the greatest President ever, in fact there is a video of him calling Washington his favorite President.

  • Kyle-MI

    How did that work out?

    I am serious about this. We like to pretend we know who the voters want, but, after choosing Obama over McCain in 2008, I really don’t think anyone has a clue who will do better against Obama. And frankly I stink at guessing at what the general population wants. I am not even going to pretend I know. The only thing I can do is vote for who I think is best. Not that it matters by the time my primary vote counts.

    I am not ruling out Gingrich or Romney. They each would do much better than Obama in running the country. They each could beat Obama. They each have their potential dangers both in terms of electability against Obama and in terms of being President.

    Neither of them has sold me as being any better than Perry. Oh, I hear lots of arguments about who is more electable. At least, they all sound good until someone else makes one for a different candidate.

    • dpmapper

      Not really. Romney, Thompson, Giuliani weren’t eliminated because GOP voters decided they were less electable.

  • J. Leg

    Love how the Perry people change their mind about the polls.

    When Sarah Palin supporters wanted her to get into the race, Perry supporters pointed to the polls when Palin was down and Perry was up when he first entered the race. In fact, they called Palin supporters crazy.

    When Perry was down in the polls they suddenly didn’t matter any more.

    Now that Perry is back up, suddenly we need to watch the polls again.

    I have a new found respect for Rick Perry, but his supporters are silly sometimes.

    • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

      I don’t live or die by them. They aren’t All-Knowing or All-Powerful. However, you have to admit that some people think they are Omniscient and Omnipotent. You know, the people who just look at where candidates are standing in the polls and then make their decision. Speed daters! (See: Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich.) When the polls are favorable towards a certain candidate, then all of a sudden they are the favored sons and get full media attention, so people then pay attention to them. I HIGHLY doubt that Perry will get full media attention UNLESS he’s at the top again, or at least in second place.

      I couldn’t care less if Perry was at the bottom of the poll, I’d still vote for him. And I’m going to work just as hard and fast as though he were still at the bottom. But for those who just look at the polls to decide (and we all know they exist!)…well then yeah, I’m glad for THEIR sakes, not mine, that Perry is trending up.

      • pj2012

        Have you seen the new ARG Iowa poll out today? Perry’s up 8 points (13%), that’s still good news. Newt is down 5 points. I know… it’s just a snap shot in time. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/198735-poll-gingrich-loses-ground-in-tight-iowa-race

        Also did you know the Saturday ABC?s Presidential Debate was watched by 7.6 Million, more than any debate to date.

        This link gives a list of debates and viewer counts.
        http://www.deadline.com/2011/12/abcs-presidential-debate-draws-7-6-million/

        Sorry, but I can’t hide my De-light under a bushel ; – )

        • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

          Checked my Twitter yesterday afternoon after spending a couple hours slaving over Christmas presents (:D) and saw it immediately. Definitely just a snapshot in time…I’m waiting to see what it looks like in 3 weeks. And yes, I did know about how many people watched the debate! That means WAY more to me than a poll. That and the stories of huge crowds meeting Perry in Iowa are what’s making my De-light peek out from under the bushel this morning :D :D

  • cheetah2

    I can see more likelihood of a backfire if I and a lot of other Perry supporters followed your advice and switched to a lesser candidate. What if that person wins the primaries but loses to Obama? What if he beats Obama but fails to deliver as president?

    I support Perry because I know he would make the best president. Win or lose, I will be satisfied that I did so.

    • avagreen

      Ignore reasoning of same.

  • lucasblack

    I don’t see why Perry’s supporters should drop their candidate to support someone else just to ‘stop Mitt’. I’m not supporting Newt because I want to stop Mitt Romney; I’m supporting Newt because he’s my favorite candidate. People should worry less about trying to beat the other guy and try to get their guy elected.
    And if Romney gets the nomination, I’ll be find with that too. But I’m tired of all this talk of who people ‘must’ support. Granted, on this site, much of it is coming from the Perry crew, but the GOP establishment is busy telling us we ‘must’ support Romney to stop Newt. Why doesn’t everybody just advocate for their own candidate and stop trying to de-legitimize support for other candidates?

  • greyeagle

    There has been a lot of scandal connected to Newt over the years. He was not well liked or respected while speaker of the House. I have been a political junkie for quite a few years, so have spent time researching him and his stances. Newt is not nor has he ever been a conservative. He has always been a liberal RINO Republican at his worst, and and the very best a moderate closely aligned with liberals. People are welcome to vote for him, but I do not believe that he is electable. The Democrats would love to present all of his baggage during debates, the liberal media etc. Newt would probable be good as a Secretary of State, but terrible as President. It should really disturb voters that the people in Congress are not recommending him, in fact a number have come out against him. I think voters should take a deep breath and investigate more before voting for him.

  • axistogrind

    He wrote supporting individual mandates- in 2007. How so many people are willing to let him off the hook on that, I don’t know. He has deflected the question about sitting on the couch with Pelosi skillfully, making it about sitting on the couch, as opposed to being on the same page as her. He has changed religions twice, he has changed wives just as many. He is hip deep in Fannie/Freddie. He was on the book tour and found himself in the race. Furthermore, I don’t see anything that tells me he is a small government conservative; I think perhaps quite the opposite. I am not far right nor religious; I have a lot of libertarian leanings regarding social issues, but I do believe in having someone who actually wants to be there to serve the country, not themselves. Romney, Perry, and Hunstman are the only ones I see who fit that Bill. Newt’s (now Extended) Book Tour is not going to pull me in -ever. I see him for what he is. . Newt serves Newt; Newt is fascinated by how smart Newt is; Newt likes being thought of as the smartest guy in the room, but I don’t get a sense that he would ever want to be known as the hardest working guy in the room. I’ll stay home for Newt or Santorum; sorry. Ill hold my nose and vote for Romney, but I won’t vote for someone I find disingenuous, not even against Obama.

    • sticktotheconstitution

      “I’ll hold my nose and vote for Romney, but I won?t vote for someone I find disingenuous, not even against Obama”

      Although I support Ron Paul first, I’d still take Romney (and all other Republican candidates for that matter) over gingrich

  • avagreen

    A thoughtful piece written by Norris over the current infighting (not debate) among the GOP and Obama/Saul Alinsky’s call for “conflict among themselves” — what Alinsky calls “power cannibalism,” “a road from which there is no turning back” because it “permits only temporary truces.”

    …..If we are going to win the war for the White House, it’s going to be solely in our ability to rally together and keep our scopes on the current occupant of the White House, not by aiming at one another.

    So let’s flood the media and blogosphere with discussion about the strengths each candidate possesses. Let’s keep the focus on real solutions to get this country back on track. Let’s live out the acronym TEAM and show progressives and the world that “together everyone achieves more,” namely winning back the White House and Senate and maintaining a majority in the House of Representatives, which would save our republic.

    United we stand; divided we most certainly will fall.

    A must read.
    BTW, just picked this thread because it had the last post.

    • avagreen

      http://townhall.com/columnists/chucknorris/2011/12/13/gop_creating_fuel_for_obama/page/full/

  • jgge

    numbers in the last primaries where everyone declared his campaign dead all the way till the first vote was cast. How about the assured nominees of their respective parties Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton? Do you remember the assured democrat nominee Howard Dean in 2004?
    You better check the histories of primaries elections before you make dumb statements.