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Will Redstate Posters Endorse Obama After the Iowa Caucus?

Time and time again, I’ve read post after post from people who I thought were conserative until the last few months.  Since then, I’ve heard alot of posters who pick President Obama as their 2nd or 3rd choice for president.  Right now the 4 move like GOP nominees are: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul.  Somehow, some of the same posters who supported Romney in 2008 now would rather vote for Obama than Romney.  Somehow, some of the same people who supported Newt in 1994, and hailed his Republican Revolution, hailed his welfare reform, tax cut, balanced budget, and supported him then — now would rather vote for Obama.  Somehow some of the same folks who thought Santorum was a super-star in 1994, 2000, and who donated money to his campaign in 2006 — now think that the person who wrote the ban for partial birth abortion, the man to who helped sound the alarm of the house banking scandle, the man who has been at the forefront of every major conservative battle during his time in the House and Senate, and who in every one of his elections 1992, 1994, 2000, and even 2006 outperformed).  In 1992, Santorum won his district when Bush lost it.  In 1994, Santorum won in blue PA.  In 2000 Santorum won PA when Bush lost it.  In 2006, Santorum lost by a smaller margine than did the GOP candidate for PA governor — even though Santorum was runing against Bob Casey (the most popular democrat in the State) — and the GOP candidate was running against liberal Ed Rendell.  And yes I know Paul is imperfect, but does anyone actually think he is worse than Obama?

I’ve heard alot of spin.  But, none of these men are worse than Obama.  Romney may have no spine and no core beliefs.  But what is worse, electing a self-centered, spineless, moralless man, or electing someone who thinks he is helping the country when he is actually destorying it?  To quote C.S Lewis:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

To suggest Obama is better than Gingrich is an act of insanity.  It can only mean a person is at-heart a liberal.  Gingrich has a proven record of governing as a conservative.  Welfare reform, balanced budget, tax cut, etc.  With all due respect, I don’t see why Redstate even allows such posting.  In my opinion a supporter of Obama over Gingrich is a liberal.  And let’s not forget that Gingrich won the House for the GOP for the first time in 40 years.

The same is true about Santorum.  Senator Santorum was a leader in every conservative fight for over a decade.  He fought to cut taxes, ban bartial birth abortion, refrom welfare, etc.  Sen. Santorum was the Democrat’s #1 target in 2006.  They put up their best candidate against him — Sen. Bob Casey.  In Sen. Casey’s last election — for state treasurer he beat the republican candidate by over 25%.  Santorum last to Casey, yes, but by less of a margine than Casey won 2 years earlier, and by less of a margine than the GOP governor candidate lost in 2006.  Santorum outperforms.  He outperformed when he won re-election in 2000 when Bush lost.  He outperformed in 1992 when he won election in a district Bush lost.  Santorum consistantly does better than other candiates running the same time.    Oh, and in 2006, Santorum got a higher percentage of the vote in PA than Perry did in Texas when Perry ran for re-election as governor.  Santorum, like Gingrich, is an electable conservative.

Romney is less electable and less conservative than Gingrich or Santorum.  Romney replaced the GOP governor — unless Gingrich and Santorum who replaced Democrats.  Romney did not stand for re-election and would have lost in a landslide if he did.  That said, he is still a better candidate than Obama.

Paul, despite his flaws, continues to not be Obama.  That is enough for me.  Paul is a fiscal conservative.  He is a supporter of the 10th amendment.  He may have a radical agenda, but Congress will limit his ability to carry it out.  Paul will not win the GOP nomination, but if he does, he is better than Obama.

I hope Redstaters who support Obama as their 2nd choice will reconsider.

COMMENTS

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    It’s the oldest trick in the book. A zealot attempts to take the party hostage by threatening to defect or stay home so that people are intimidated into supporting that loser against their will. I hope that anyone who actually makes vote for “Mr. X or I support Barack!” gets invited to go support Barack after engaging in self-gratification.

  • satchman3

    People who say these things are not serious voters or will recant. Much like the PUMAs who handed 2008 to John McCain I would not expect the naysayers to have any impact.

    • joshdunn

      Don’t forget: liberals sometimes hang out here, too. They talk a good game but they slip up when they try to plug Obama as their number 2 choice.

      There is nothing more repulsive than the thought of a second Obama term.

      You thought the first term was bad? Wait until he comes back with no accountability to voters. He’ll try to push Canadian health care on Americans by executive fiat if he has to. He’ll dismantle what’s left of the military. He’ll send more jobs overseas and put more Americans on the dole.

      He must be stopped. Any Republican has my vote over BHO.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I don’t like to mix crazy and nuclear codes.

    On the other hand, Paul probably wouldn’t have much reason to use them given his point of view.

    • Bill S

      His non-interventionist position and naivet? about nations such as Iran make it more likely that eventually we may be left with no alternative but to use the nuclear deterrent as something more than that. Ron Paul is a danger to the world, not just to the United States. I’m concerned more about that than I am about the economy. We can flounder by with a slow/no growth economy, but the danger inherent in an unhinged foreign policy is literally a life-endangering thing. Ron Paul could well get a lot of humans killed – not by intervention but by the by-products of his “non-intervention”.

      No sane individual would vote for Ron Paul.

      • texasref

        So while your comment that “no sane individual would vote for Ron Paul” is understandable for the primary season, the opposite is true if that should be our choice in the general: “no sane individual would vote for Obama.”

        Sitting out the general election because “a self-centered, spineless, moralless man” is our nominee or because a naive interventionist is our nominee is a vote for Obama.

        • acat

          I will vote Green Party before I will vote Paul.

          Mew

          p.s. I’m in Illinois, Ron Paul has no chance of winning the State, better to persuade the Greens to misallocate their resources than to waste a vote for a despicable waste of flesh like Luap Nor.

          • Scope

            And imagine I get a choice between him and Romney in my primary, and I have little hope that that will change.

          • ghostship

            However, just remember that the next time Republicans are given a choice between a squishy RINO or a Democrat whether it’s a congressional, senate, governor, or etc and your tempted to trot out the line of how refusing to support the party’s nominee is a vote for the Democrats please remember your post here.

            It is where you lost the moral high ground to say it to anyone else.

          • acat

            Methinks there’s something wrong with your logic here, ghostship.

            Mew

  • texasref

    oops

  • nepanyrush

    As a Pennsylvanian who has worked for Santorum and had him attend my events, I am particularly perplexed by the vitrolic against Santorum on Redstate prior to the Iowa caucus.

    Santorum is a principled conservative. The spin has been he is a loser because of his last election, but three times he beat an incumbent Democrat in Democratic districts while not compromising at all his conservative principles. He first beat a 7-term congressman, then when they restructured his district, he beat another incumbent democrat. Then he beat an incumbent to become US Senator. Then he won re-election. But then he came up, in a terrible year for the GOP, against a very popular son a popular prolife Governor.

    There has been such vitrol on Redstate for any non-Perry candidate, with attacks on Cain, Gingrich, Bachmann, and more recently Santorum. There have been, as you stated, numerous comments that “I will stay home if Romney gets the nod” or “I will vote for Obama before Romney” despite the fact that Romney was the darling of conservatives just 4 years ago in the quest not to get McCain.

    I was glad to read your post and feel some positivity that people will not be so shortsighted as to accept 4 more years of Obama. The nation cannot survive another 4 years intact.

    • eabjr

      I see the same thing…good folks torn asunder by pro perry posters continually. I lived in Texas twice and I can tell you Perry is not the limited gov conservative they think he is…that’s not t say I wouldn’t vote for him…but there is an ignorance, esp in relation to the abundance if illegals and the pandering to that situation both business-wise and especially politically.

      • jakeofalltrades

        We should deport them or legalize them. Until then, they should be accommodated and treated as neighbors. It’s the Christian thing to do.

        • powertothepeople

          although by that I do not mean that they should be beaten, killed, etc. But as of today they are nothing more than criminal invaders and should not receive anything better than our own home grown criminals.

          Now, as I stated on another post months back, I have rethought my beliefs when it comes to the kids of the criminals who have kept our law and worked hard to better themselves. On these kids, I agree with you and agree with what Perry has done for the ones who have worked hard. But their parents can be damned as far as I am concerned.

          • jakeofalltrades

            Only against crossing outside a checkpoint. Not all aliens break that law.

          • powertothepeople

            against a thief who breaks into your house sitting in his home with your property for years. Whats you point?

            The original crime by the thief was the crime, he is richer at your expense, and is a criminal deserving of our contempt and punishment. Same applies to the criminal who crossed the border illegally.

            And since your comment deals only with the ones here illegally, hence your comment we should either deport or give citizenship to them, not sure what legal aliens have to do with your original comment or mine.

          • jakeofalltrades

            And without a trial?

          • jakeofalltrades

            I was tired of typing the full phrase, but if you must be pedantic, I will oblige you while tiring quickly.

          • powertothepeople

            If you are not a citizen, you are not entitled to our rights or the protection that comes from those rights nor are they entitled to perks granted to citizens and citizens of a certain state. And if the worse thing an illegal has to deal with is higher tuition, then you have no case nor do they.

          • jakeofalltrades

            If you don’t deport them, they become taxpayers. As taxpayers, they are entitled to representation and equal protection under the Declaration of Independence.

            Your ends are fine, but your means should not go against everything we believe in as Americans.

          • powertothepeople

            as I really have better things to do, but one last time I will respond.

            I could care less what taxes they pay, how long they have been here, if they have never broken another law while here, or anything else you or anyone could put up as a reason, they arrived in this country illegally, are staying in this country illegally, hence are not entitled to anything a citizen gets, period.

            Kids have no choice in what their parents do, so I make exceptions when it comes to the kids. But any adult who chooses to cross our borders criminally is nothing more than a criminal. They should not expect nor should they receive any benefits due to their criminal behavior. Paying taxes does not grant you citizenship nor does it place you under the protection of our constitution so not sure why you keep bringing that up.

            And as far as your last comment, again, what we believe in has little to do with giving rights to people who do not belong here, gained access to this country through a criminal act, and do nothing but continue to perpetrate that crime by staying here. Giving them what they do not deserve regardless of them paying some pennies in taxes yet sucking up how many times more from the rest of us has nothing to do with what I believe or my American values. Please do not presume that your beliefs are mine nor that they represent all of America.

          • jakeofalltrades

            I hope you’re next.

          • powertothepeople

            because for some reason you have gone from a very on spot poster to some knuckle headed, BS spewing, bleeding heart poster tonight.

            I am not sure what is so hard for you to understand or why you can not wrap your mind around a very simple fact, they are not citizens, are not entitled to the rights and privileges a citizen is entitled to, nor do paid taxes entitle anyone to those rights and privileges. Castro can not pay some taxes to our country and then scream rights of citizenship, nor could the Nazi officer they found in NY when he was dragged off kicking and screaming to Israel. He lied about who he was in order to gain residence in this country and when it was discovered, he was treated like the scum he was even after nearly 30 years of tax paying.

            All the cute cliches you can come up with or your low class hope that my rights get taken does not change the fact your argument is invalid, without merit, and does not represent most of the conservative side nor America as a general rule.

            Illegal aliens have no rights, are entitled to nothing, and paying a few taxes all while sucking up more than their own fair share of real Americans hard earned dollars does not change a thing.

        • powertothepeople

          if they do not like their perceived persecution or underclass status, they can always return home to the “wonderful” lives they left to come here illegally.

          • jakeofalltrades

            and yet allows them to be persecuted. This is an intentionally-created underclass. The federal government is the real criminal here.

            Be nice to the illegals, and demand they be deported immediately. That seems best for everyone.

          • powertothepeople

            not being “nice” to them? Maybe you know something the rest of us do not, but there is not some big issue of persecution of the illegals anywhere I know of. Think you are making a mountain where even a molehill does not exist.

            If anything, illegals receive more protection and sympathy than any other group in this country.

  • Common_Cents

    Morphing cherry picked records/candidates into some grotesque unrecognizable extreme.

    It’s just idiotic.

    None of our candidate would even come close to governing like a radical obama especially in this day/time with more conservative influence on our side and a public that is paying more and more attention.

  • quill67

    If a conservative enters as a third party candidate and has a chance to win, I will vote for them not Romney. If they have no chance to win, I will not waste my vote.

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      would enter as a third party candidate because it would split the vote and give us 4 more years of Obama, so I don’t think you need worry about a “conservative” doing such a thing. Paul is another story entirely.

      • quill67

        would pass laws requiring 50% of vote to earn electorial votes. Otherwise a runoff.

  • aj_0000

    As Romney’s inevitability becomes more likely (and we know he’s inevitable because Fox News tells us), Obama’s poll numbers are rising. The logic that has been used to shove Romney down our throats is 180 degrees backwards. He is the weakest candidate we could nominate. He WILL lose to Obama, in large part because many conservatives will stay home. Few will actually have the stomach to vote for Obama, but some might. Independents and moderates will take one look at this phony, super-rich caricature who bought himself the nomination, vomit, and re-elect the first black president, which is what they wanted to do anyway.

    • jakeofalltrades

      All I see is a bunch of statists supporting the technocrat Newt, the manager Romney, and Nanny Tertullian Santorum.

      The only truly conservative candidate is getting as many votes as he would get if voters chose their candidate randomly.

      Perry is the only hope. After him, I’m siding with Ann Coulter and supporting Mitt Romney. I’d rather have a GOP POTUS who stands for nothing than one who stands for big government.

    • joshdunn

      Check out today’s Rasmussen poll which is headlining on the drudge report. It says that Romney and Obama are in a dead heat right now.

      All other Republicans start out at least 10 points behind Obama.

      I know which Republican Obama DOESN’T want to face.

  • Tim Griffin@griffinelection

    use this same worn out, shallow argument. Maybe as Christians we would rather not vote then vote for the pro-abort Romney. Maybe the republican brand and America will be better off if we only support those who are true to our principles instead of supporting anyone with an R next to their name.

    I would rather work to win back the Senate and keep the House in order to keep Obama at bay then have Mitt Romney betray me for four years.

    I realize that you will justify a loss by blaming people like me for “supporting Obama as my second choice” but my true opposition comes from the fact that Romney is an enemy of marriage, he has been an enemy of the unborn and he will be an enemy of redstate conservervatives.

    I would vote for Perry, Santorum, Huntsman and although I wouldn’t like it, I’d vote for Gingrich or Paul.

    But never, never, never Romney. I would rather lose then align myself with someone who will grant healthcare waivers rather than repeal, we would be better off to lose with crappy candidates like Romney.

    We are all adults, please realize the complexity that we have to deal with. It is childish to claim that not supporting a guy like Romney is supporting Obama.

    All Christians will have to stand before God and explain why we stood with, voted for and dedicated time to a candidate that supported infanticide (before he ran for president and saw the light). My Christian principles are much more important to me than stopping Obama. And yours should be too.