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A recap of my prior presidential rankings, and proof that I initially thought Perry to be the likely nominee and provided support to him

By: chrysostom15 (Diary)  |  January 11th, 2012 at 03:50 PM  | 

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So, for folks who suggest or act like I never gave him a serious look, never leaned towards him, or was always negative towards him — that is not true.  There reasons I have moved towards not liking Perry are:

  1. As I said in my posts linked above — Perry has moved away from the political center needed to win an election and towards the fringe, uneducated, emotional part of the party.  Perry has moved to the radical side on issues like the federal reserve.  Paul wants to audit the fed (resonable); Perry accused them of treason.  Perry has moved from being a fiscal moderate as governor to trying to pretend he is a tea partier and moving right of Paul on SOME spending issues.  Perry has called social security a ponzi scheme.  Partly true; but politically stupid and something that makes him a bad candidate in a general election.  Perry support freezing pay for critical defense and national security jobs until the budget is balanced.  Perry has move out of the zone of sanity on issue after issue.  That is a large part of what has caused me to withdraw support and find him unelectable.
  2. Perry is the worst debater in the field.  Perry make a lot of mistakes.  “Oops,” “heartless,” 8 supreme court justices, federal employees cannot be fired, invading iraq, and so on and so forth.  Perry simply could not go up against Obama.  I really question his electability.
  3. Perry keeps losing.  Perry was 1st in the polls for a while.  Then the more people got to know him the lower his poll numbers got.  Iowa is a good example.  Perry was winning.  Then continued to drop.  Even after Romey stopped attacking Perry and focused on Gingrich, Perry still dropped.  Later, Santorum was target, Perry still dropped.  Perry has had no-one saying anything bad about him, yet his numbers drop.  He has no chance and increasingly is fringe.
  4. Perry’s team has made a series of poor strategic mistakes.  1st they tried to win Ron Paul voters by sounding exactly like Paul on fiscal issues.  Then, they issued an incomplete economic plan.  They promised to issue more, but never did.  Then, Perry tried to win social conservatives as a last effort.  That was strategically really stupid, given that Santorum, Bachmann, and Gingrich had campaigned for social conservatives the whole time; and that so did Cain, and even Paul.  Perry’s record on social issues was never anywhere close to Santorum’s and he put himself in the place of evantually completely abandoning his initial — winnable — strategy of jobs.

My comments on Perry are fair, honest, and not a hit job.  I believe him to have no chance to win the GOP nomination, and to be the worse candidate against Obama.  I believe that Perry has run one of the worst campaigns in recent history, and that he keeps getting worse.  From the moment he called me heartless, I think I have come to realize that he is not a conservative.  Conservatives do not feel it is heartless to not pay for someone else’s college education — especially someone here illegally.  The fact that Perry would use the term “heartless,” makes me think he is a bleeding heart liberal who thinks that having a heart means putting a gun to someone else’s head and making them pay taxes so that someone who is here illegally can get some free government money towards college.  Perry is a big-government, tax and spend, take and redistribute liberal by heart.  He plays a conservative on TV, and pretends to be a teapartier, running to the radical side of the GOP to try to pander to voters being who he is not.

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  • Vegas_Rick

    “From the moment he called me heartless…”

    “Conservatives do not feel it is heartless to not pay for someone else?s college education ? especially someone here illegally.”

    How are these kids not paying for their own college? They pay the same tuition as all other Texas residents.

    • jakeofalltrades

      Which is critical, since under the Declaration of Independence there cannot be taxation without _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.

      • jakeofalltrades

        Cry me a river! The GOP has always stood against systematic oppression of a legally-unrecognized underclass. It’s our founding principle.

        • acat

          Right along our southern border.

          Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            Indeed, that’s pretty much my position. Build a moat with the tears of people who cannot stand the idea of illegal immigrants being treated like neighbors (while awaiting deportation).

  • westcoastpatriette

    You are reckless with the facts and your demeanor is now bordering on hysterical.

    Read my lips. The Texas Dream Act does not –I repeat — does not provide for the taxpayers to pay the tuition of illegals. Get it? They still must pay their own way; they simply pay the in-state tuition rate.

    Now, Are you man/woman enough to retract all of the untrue statements you just made in this diary based on your unfactual claim that Perry wants to pay for illegals’ college tuition? If not, you need to shut up, now, okay?

    • Scope

      declaration on another diary where he claims that the only Perry supporters that are left are not conservatives. He then goes on to say that the Perry supporters are really Romney and Paul supporters, but are afraid to admit that because they are not popular here at RS. No lie. It’s over at the other turncoats diary asking everyone to pick a new candidate, and give up on Perry by Griffin or some such person. He’s pimping Gingrich and Santorum.

      Can you say desperation has set in with some of the serial daters, or in this guys case only interested in a one night stand.

      • westcoastpatriette

        This person has completely lost his/her mind.

        • acat

          ‘s the ecological niche that Tbone and Becker fill so very well.

          Mew

          • acat

            that they had a definite whiff of Paulistinian sympathy.

            Now, I don’t have the time to go back and look, but .. to Scope’s point above, I’m wondering if we’re seeing some projection going on…

            Mew

          • pttx333

            posts were just a bit tooooo cozy with that sympathy ever since he first appeared on RS.

    • Tbone

      I think I recall that from a biology class.

      • westcoastpatriette

        Yuck.

      • jakeofalltrades

        This site would not be the same without you dude! Seriously: thanks.

        • acat

          pictures.

          Or .. so he said the last time he was un-banned.

          Mew

  • carolynr

    Perry is a bad debater….he made mistakes….so does everyone…did he lie…Romney did. So…I guess because Romney played it close to the vest…you would vote for Romney rather than a record with proof.

    Anyway…Tebow. Here his mother was pregnant with him…single mom. The docs said that there was a medical problem with Tebow and she should abort. She chose not to. Then Tebow was born and the doctors were wrong…Tebow was OK. He grew up, went to college, was the Heismann Trophy Winner, was drafted by Denver and HE BELIEVES IN GOD. In fact, he prays and thanks God in the games. Oh…how the atheists hated him for it…they even protested…but Tebow kept on being Tebow.

    Last few games…he made mistakes…interceptions. But…how many “Hail Marys” did he throw with the Pittsburgh Steelers…lots and they were stunned.

    Did I give up on Tebow…Nope…I rooted him on. There isn’t a person in the town I live that doesn’t go for Tebow…he’s bucking they system…he has all his life..it started with him Mom and now look. If he loses to NE…what fun I have had to see a person that was advised to be aborted to come full circle to playing in the final playoffs.

    Perry said he hoped he could be the Tebow of this election. I sure pray so…every night…because the rest of them are junk….just junk.

  • texastaxpayer

    Sounds vaguely familiar… Where have I heard something like this before??? Quite puzzled but I am sure it’s been said somewhere?????

    Guess I will remember later I am sure.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    As a Texan, I’ve voted for Perry more times than I have voted for any other individual – ever.

    If not for the fact that his campaign is foundering, I’d vote for him for President in the Texas primary.

    BUT … like 70% of Texans, I oppose giving in-state tuition for illegal aliens. Look, it’s one thing to defend Perry, it’s another to tie yourself to the lost mast of a bad policy that’s even unpopular in its own state and definitely gives the impression (false, imho) of Perry being weak on illegal immigration.

    Perry dug himself a hole in the September debates on this issue, and foolish supporters want to keep digging the hole deeper.

    This – “The Texas Dream Act does not ?I repeat ? does not provide for the taxpayers to pay the tuition of illegals” is false. Texas taxpayers subsidize the UT system to the tune of several billion dollars, and in the process underwrite in-state tuition costs.

    It does NO favor to the Perry candidacy to keep picking at this scab and defending a policy that is unpopular and non-conservative.

    • acat

      Facts in evidence.

      One: The Texas Dream Act requires applicants to pay in-state rates.

      Two: The State of Texas levies sales and real estate taxes on her citizens, revenues from these and certain energy industry activities pay the difference between in-state and out-of-state rates.

      Three: Texas Dream Act applicants are required to have lived in Texas for three years, thus paying the aforementioned taxes, either directly (sales) or indirectly (property via rent).

      Your assertion is false.

      Do please go away.

      Mew

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Give it up already.

        I have stated FACTUALLY that students who attend Univ of Texas and other state schools are subsidized by Texas taxpayers. THAT IS FACT.

        I know the Texas state budget far better than you or others trying to make excuses for this sorry law. The subsidy for in-state tuition is significant. We spend billions in Texas each year on higher ed.

        You validate my claim that taxpayers pay the freight when you bring up illegals paying taxes …
        “thus paying the aforementioned taxes, either directly (sales) or indirectly ” … as if an 18-22 YO will be paying their share of property and sales taxes to cover the $10,000+/yr/student subsidy. LOL. As one of the Texas taxpayers who pays more than my share, I don’t know whether to laugh, weep or vent spleen at the disingenuousness of your fallacy. There’s no taxpayer subsidy because illegal aliens pay some pittance in taxes?!?

        It’s very bad form to call someone who is telling the truth about this ‘lying’.

        http://www.lbjjournal.com/baines/?p=1449

        “Most people do not realize the magnitude at which higher education is subsidized for illegal immigrants. At Texas A&M, for example, 68 percent of undergraduate students who are illegal immigrants claim residency under the Texas DREAM Act received state grants for the 2010-2011 school year. While this is outrageous enough, it is even more outrageous considering only 15 percent of legal Texas resident undergraduates received state grants for the 2010-2011 school year. On average for the 2010-2011 academic year at Texas A&M, the Texas DREAM Act illegal immigrant student received $4,490 in state financial aid, while the legal Texas resident student only received $737 in state financial aid. This means that illegal immigrants claiming Texas residency are receiving over 6 times more state aid per student than legal Texas residents are.”

        You know how stupid you are trying to mislead on this law? You are being about as stupid as if Romney supporters tried to convince us that putting dogs on car roofs was actually good for dogs; about as stupid as if Newt supporters decided to tout the benefits of 3rd wives; about as stupid as the Perry campaign overall has been. “oops”.

        Be smart. Stop digging a hole over this losing issue.

        • gekster

          “I have stated FACTUALLY that students who attend Univ of Texas and other state schools are subsidized by Texas taxpayers. THAT IS FACT”.

          So tell me just one thing.
          If one of the requirements is that they have had to live in Texas for three years,
          just how did they escape paying taxes in the state.
          And if they did pay the taxes, then they themselves are Texas taxpayers.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            “just how did they escape paying taxes in the state.”
            I never claimed that an illegal alien paid zero in state taxes.

            Your fallacious argument is that if they pay taxes, they dont get a subsidy. That’s absurd, like saying farmer’s dont get ethanol subsidies because they pay taxes on gasoline for tractors.

            The subsidy PER STUDENT is $10,000. I dont know of any 18 YO paying that much personally in state sales taxes. It would take a hefty amount of shopping to get that much.

            “And if they did pay the taxes, then they themselves are Texas taxpayers.”
            … and recipients of health clinic benefits and of Texas K-12 education, to the tune of $100,000+ per student over the 12 years in school, etc. Illegal aliens – and multiple studies have confirmed this – consume more in govt services than they pay in taxes. Any claims that illegal aliens are somehow paying their own way if they pay in-state rates is phony.

            You’re spinning in the hole you dug. Just climb out and admit its a subsidy.

          • gekster

            //

          • gekster

            It would seam to me that students from other states and forigners with visas who only have to live in the state for one year would be of more concern to you,
            that is if your real complaint was about the money.
            And do you have anything that shows the 10K amount gets spent per pupil.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            then we are in violent agreement.

            Since “dont pay their own way ” = “get a subsidy”,
            then they get a subsidy.

          • acat

            Regardless of country of origin.

            I’m not in violent disagreement, I’m just reading the law as written, passed by a supermajority in your own “ledge”, and signed by Gov. Perry.

            As you do seem to disagree with the law, then I’ll encourage you to learn persuasive argument. So far, you’ve been pretty dreadful at it.

            Mew

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Not a single UT student is ever asked “How much do you pay in taxes?” as a condition for admission or in-state rates.

            So your statement is not relevent, since, as I’ve pointed out, no 18 year old in Texas is paying enough in taxes to cover that subsidy.

          • texastaxpayer

            A person who is 18 and has met the requirements of the program.
            Lived in Texas 3 years.
            Graduated a Texas high-school.
            Is capable of “paying the tuition rate”
            Begun the process of naturalization.

            Would undoubtedly personally our through their family purchased products, purchased property or paid the requisite property taxes through rent.
            Can you specify the amount they need to have paid? It’s certainly not the 100k accusation Romney and Santorum used to discredit Governor Perry. The out of state rate is billed at higher than the estimated cost to educate rate unlike the instate rate.

            So please provide some credible numbers to back up your claims that illegal aliens are using tax dollars to pay for their college education.
            Of course you could just admit now that you don’t know the first thing about what your talking about and save yourself the further humiliation of having this pointed out in less gracious terms.

        • pttx333

          And, so, this one column with one person’s opinion is a total fact with you. I’m assuming you are a student at UT and are on a mission to destroy Perry without ammo you can throw out that will stick. GIVE IT UP! This has been hashed and rehashed, ad infinitum, over and over again and is DONE! Do you GET THAT? Your twisting the facts does not pass the smell test here.

          • pttx333

            ,

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Give up on your nasty attempts to peg me.

            Ron Paul!?! LOL. I called him a do-nothing legislator earlier tonight.

            “are on a mission to destroy Perry ”

            No, you moron, I was the guy who wrote the first Pro-Perry article right after he announced here on Redstate Aug 20th, thrilled he had jumped in … I supported Perry, but Perry campaign did itself in a while ago. I cant destroy or hurt what’s already dead. I’ve made clear since Iowa that Perry has zero chance of winning now.

            What is mindboggling is the defenders of Perry’s weakest point, as if raising this issue up after 4 months will save him. Idiots. If you were smart you’d just bury this whole issue. If Perry’s campaign was smart it’d be wall-to-wall “jobs jobs jobs”.

            I’m just stating some plain facts to debunk silly spin from defenders of this bad law.

            “This has been hashed and rehashed, ad infinitum, over and over again and is DONE!”
            And shockingly, the defenders still dont get it right. They still claim this law – which violates Federal law explicitly – somehow will avoid law suits. They still claim this law – which subsidizes tuition for illegal aliens – doesnt cost other people a dime and doesnt do what it plainly does.

            “Your twisting the facts does not pass the smell test here.”
            You shoot the messenger – a source from Univ of Texas, …

            “At Texas A&M, for example, 68 percent of undergraduate students who are illegal immigrants claim residency under the Texas DREAM Act received state grants for the 2010-2011 school year. While this is outrageous enough, it is even more outrageous considering only 15 percent of legal Texas resident undergraduates received state grants for the 2010-2011 school year. On average for the 2010-2011 academic year at Texas A&M, the Texas DREAM Act illegal immigrant student received $4,490 in state financial aid, while the legal Texas resident student only received $737 in state financial aid. ”

            … now, if you have any data to dispute these facts of the average of $4400 in state aid, be my guest. I’ve got very conservative lawyer friends who are active on this issue and state the same numbers … but you are just cavilling at reality with your fallacious reasoning and paranoid suspicions, and as such you are wasting everyone’s time.

          • pttx333

            reasons for assuming various things about you is your repugnant approach to giving your “opinion” that then rolls on into a rant, twisted half-truths and accusations yourself.

            My suggestions: find a different approach, maybe someone might get through one of your entire posts; do not call someone names (I never called you a name); get over it that there are those who will never, ever, ever agree with you whether you like it or not; grow up; and realize you don’t convert others with anything you’ve ever said here – bashing is not acceptable.

            Our “conversations” are done, finished, over. I do not suffer fools.

          • texashistorian

            has a horrible way of making a point, but he/she is correct in this instance that illegals enrolled under the Texas DREAM act are eligible for state financial aid and many receive it.

            Once a student is admitted to a state college or university, there is no distinction made about their legal/illegal status as far as the institution is concerned. They are treated just like every other student and can receive aid.

            I don’t like it and it should be repealed. However, I do agree with you that isn’t a major issue, and doesn’t really make Perry soft on illegal immigration. It wasn’t his doing, and he couldn’t have vetoed it regardless of his personal feelings.

            It also isn’t a special subsidy to illegals- every student is subsidized to the extent that tuition doesn’t cover the costs of ANY state college of university. In some cases it covers about 20%, up to somewhere around 50%. The rest comes from local property taxes (in the case of community colleges), federal money, state tax money, and for A&M and UT systems, the Permanent University Fund which is basically oil and nat. gas revenues. My own institution’s tuition rates cover about 30% of the operating costs.

          • pttx333

            who have taken advantage of the in-state tuition law with most of that 1% going to community colleges. We can thank our federal “goobermint” for making our choices for us – as can all states. We are forced to educate them K-12 per the feds.

            Then there is the issue of “Perry is soft on illegal immigration” – HA – Texas has spent $400M of TEXAS taxpayer monies to attempt to secure our border since the feds won’t raise a finger to do so. And their stance is on steroids since b.o. took office! Pathetic, huh?

            Thanks for your posts, ‘historian – they are most illuminating and interesting!

          • texashistorian

            and for me that is 12,000 too many! However, as I said, I see the argument for why the law was passed, and that in many ways the Federal Government’s weakness on the issue has pushed states to various solutions to deal with it. I dislike Texas’ DREAM act, but again, can understand the rationale behind it.

            Once the illegal immigration mess is fixed at the Federal level, things like the Texas DREAM act become moot.

            And I agree with you Perry is not soft on illegal immigration!

            Enjoy your posts too- good to see the Perry passion! I am with him all the way till the end, which I hope is an inauguration next January.

          • pttx333

            my common sense tells me that what else are we to do? Yes, I would love to deport every last illegal! But how do we accomplish that? Round ‘em up with helicopters, horseback, going door to door – then what would we do with them? Line up thousands upon thousands of Greyhound buses, load ‘em up in cattle cars, horse trailers, fly them to whatever countries they came from initially? Lordy, what the feds have created lo these many decades is a never-ceasing and overwhelming problem.

            Oh, yeah, I’ve voted for our Governor each and every time he has run and will continue along this straight and very narrow pathway all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue! He and Anita will bring back to us the style, dignity and nation-loving President and First Lady that we are so sorely lacking.

          • trevorb

            I’d rather have them become productive members of society than leeches, the way many become in California. our state has over 1/3 of all welfare recipients in the country.

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