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Romney WILL lose to Obama; Santorum has a chance to win

For the GOP nominee to win in 2012, he will need at-least 269 electorial votes.  This is not my opinion, this is a fact.  The only way to get these electorial votes is to win states (with a couple exceptions of votes allocated by district).  There are some states, like Utah, that any GOP nominee will win.  There are other states, like Vermont, that Obama will win.  Then there are swing states.

The mid-point swing state — the one that is most likely to determine the winner is Virginia.  Ohio and Florida are the two largest Republican-leaning swing states.  These 3 states are all MUST-win states for the GOP nominee, but are not enough in themselves for victory.  There are several smaller states that are importaint: IA, NH, CO, and NV.  There are also a number of more strongly leaning GOP states that the GOP must win to include: NC, MO, AZ, and IN.  A GOP victory will need to include: NC, MO, AZ, IN, VA, OH, FL, and 2 or 3 of the 4 smaller states IA, NH, CO, and NV.  The good news about the smaller states is that individually, none is a must-win.  However, in the case of the big three: Virginia, Ohio, and Florida — all are must-wins.

Of the big three, Florida will be the easiest to win.  If the GOP can win Hispanics, the GOP nominee will win Fl.  All GOP candidates have been pandering to Hispanics since the FL primary and FL should be a win.  There are a few other challenges to winning Fl, but those challenges would be fixed in any strategy with a chance to win Ohio and Virginia.  Since Fl is heavily reliant on retired folks and tourists, GOP economic arguements will work well there.  The same is true for social issues.  Florida has a large number of military voters due to the lack of an income tax  These voters typically add a few points to the vote for the GOP candidate, so polls tend to underestimate how the GOP will do.

Ohio is a harder challenge.  This state is one where the GOP candidate really matters.  Ohio voters support the GOP’s message on social issues, support repeal of Obamacare, and are not happy with Obama.  However, Ohio voters do not agree with Romney on a number of issues.  The primary issue of concern in Ohio was the bill to strip union rights from public employees in Ohio.  The GOP governor and legislature passed a bill limiting their rights.  Voters voted 62% to repeal that.  The key lesson learned is that attacking the pay and benefits of teachers, police, fire, rescue, and other civil servants is not popular in Ohio.  Romney’s private sector experience and his policy plans to cut pay for workers do not help.  What really hurts Romney in Ohio is his support for the legislation, and his insistance on campaigning on an idea that American workers are overpaid.  The Reagan Democrats in Ohio voted for Santorum and Gingrich.  It is hard to see them moving to Romney in a general election.  If Romney wins the GOP nomination and continues to run on the idea that unions and public employees are bad, he will lose Ohio.  A win by Santorum give the GOP a fighting chance for Ohio.  The same is true of Gingrich.  The challenge for Santorum and Gingrich will be demonstraiting to voters that they are mainstream and not too conservative.  Romney’s problems are unfixable.  You cannot fix supporting plans to cut pay for teachers, police, etc. 

Virginia is probably the single state this election cycle where the margine of victory or defeat is certain to be small.  African-Americans will turn out in droves for Obama.  The same is true for liberals.  Within Richmond proper, Obama will amass a large lead.  Rural Virginia is clear-cut.  Should Santorum or Gingrich be the nominee- the GOP will get that vote.  Should Romney be the nominee, Obama would get the vote.  The issue with Rural Virginia is that it votes like West Virginia.  Fiscally liberal, socially conservative.  These votes are the Huckabee voters who support unions, oppose NAFTA and cling to their Bibles and Guns.  They view Romney as a non-Christian, and look at distain with Romney’s elitist viewpoints and policies.

Traditionally, the GOP wins elections by winning the areas surrounding Richmong, the Virginia Beach/Norfolk area, and Northern Virginia with the exception of Arlington and Alexandria.  In GOP victories, the GOP wins all these areas.  In Democrat victories, Democrats win atleast one of those areas.  The good news is that the areas outside Richmond are looking good for the GOP.  These are the soccer-moms.  They are over the idea of the first black president, and now they are not happy with the price of gas, the economy, or Obamacare.

The bad news is that the GOP is losing Northern Virginia and the Va Beach/Norfolk areas.  The Norfolk/ Va Beach area is home to one of the highest concentrations of military bases in the country.  It homeports all the Aircraft Carriers on the East Coast and has military bases from each of the services.  It is a military area, and a very large one at that.  Like all military areas, there are a few military workers and a LOT of civilian federal workers.  Northern Virginia is the home of over 100,000 federal civilian employees.  Taken as a whole, these voters typically vote Republican.  Civilian federal workers in Maryland and DC vote Democrat, but civilian federal workers in Va vote Republican — their conservative views are often why they choose to live in Va, as opposed to MD or DC.  They like the lower VA taxes, and that VA schools teach that marriage is between a man and a woman. 

These voters are part of that minority of people who think George W. Bush was a good president.  They liked Reagan, Bush’s father.  They hate Clinton, and are not fans of Obama.  That said, they truely find the idea of a Romney presidency as unacceptable.  They believe Romney will cut their pay and benefits like he did for the companies he ran.  They are concerned that — like Romney did with the companies he ran — that Romney will take on even more debt than Obama and will cause unfixable damage to our country.  They hate him.

They feel stuck between a rock and a hardplace, and given a choice between Romney or Obama would pick Obama.  There is no doubt, their vote would swing the election to Obama and end the GOP’s chances.

With Santorum or Gingrich there is hope to win these votes.  They hate Obama so much that either Santorum or Gingrich could have a strong shot at winning VA by carrying their votes. 

So, of the 3 key states, Santorum has a better chance to win them all than does Romney.  The battle will not be easy, but Romney has really bad baggage.  A Romney win would require voters to vote for him when he promises to cut their pay and calls them overpaid.  That may be a bridge too far.

I understand that many people in at redstate think that unions are bad.  Many think that boarder guards, police, teachers, and other public servants are overpaid.  However, the fact of the matter is that if the GOP wants to win the election, it needs to realize that in Ohio attacking unions and state workers is horrible politics and will cause the GOP nominee to lose — and on an issue that should be a purely state issue — and that for Virginia, the entire election rests in the hands of federal civilan workers; so it would be best to have a nominee who does post on his website that he wants to cut their pay by more than 1/3.

I am someone who believes we should nominate the most conservative person with a chance to win and run on the most conservative platform that can win.  “that can win” is an importaint part.  We cannot win if we cannot win Virginia and Ohio.  We cannot win either state with Romney’s platform.

COMMENTS

  • zachv

    Are you kidding?!?

    Look at the three states you mentioned: Ohio, Virginia and Florida. Santorum lost in Ohio against Romney, yet your analysis tells us that we should pick Santorum over Romney because Romney is going to lose Ohio. Where were you last Tuesday?

    Romney also took Virginia, not because of any appeal, but because Santorum runs a lousy campaign and can’t raise squat for money. Just ignoring Santorum;s dis-appeal to the vast majority of voters, he’ll lose on his campaign’s ill functioning alone.

    And Florida? Florida?! Q: What exactly do these things have in common: Hispanics, Jews, Blacks, gays and elderly voters?

    A: They all live in Florida and will vote against Santorum with an antipathy.

    • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

      …but making the argument that he will turn off vast blocks of voters is a leftist approach to politics. Conservatives don’t play identity group games.

      To put it another way, why should Santorum specifically turn-off the five blocks you mention? Or more cogently, why should he turn them off any more than the other Republican candidates in the field? You don’t have any data. Two can play this game as well – in terms of postulating groups Santorum would appeal to.

      Stick with evaluating his policies. Lots you can critique there. But also please explain how your preferred candidate does better on those issues.

      • zachv

        Any of the remaining four: Romney, Newt, Santorum or Paul will have difficulty winning the election against Obama this fall. What I take issue with, civil truth, is declaring Romney WILL lose with an analytical emphasis on election demographics in this diary.

        I’ve been looking at the exit polls. I don’t want to get in a fist fight over them, but Santorum consistently loses in these demographics + Catholics to Romney. In a state such as Florida, where all of these groups are more predominant, it’s silly to think that Santorum is even going to have a chance.

        I mean, we can critique Santorum on the issues, but in a post that in part is focusing on election demographics?

        • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

          ..and yes, it certainly is valid for you to make demographic arguments to refute an electability argument for Santorum over Romney. What raised my hackles was that you seemed to be appealing to stereotypes about Santorum – but you’ve addressed that by explaining that you have been looking at exit poll data.

          Overall, I think that the demographic data is not determinative of who should be the nominee, but does provide guidance to their campaigning – and particularly pinpointing their vulnerabilities.

    • natek58

      Santorum wasn’t on the ballot in several parts of the state. Where he competed, he won.

      The deadline for getting on the ballots in Ohio was long before Santorum hada real campaign organization. He was way down in the polls and no one gave him a shot.

      The loss in Ohio was a hangover from those days.

      SANTORUM really win Ohio – making your point moot.

      • ffc99

        Santorum was on the ballot statewide in Ohio. However, he failed to file complete delegate slates in a number of individual Congressional districts.

  • msbs05

    I cant stand Romney. I would not vote for Obama,but would also not vote for Romney. If that is the choice, I just wont vote. I have many friends that feel the same way. Romney is not worth going to the polls for or much of an improvement over Obama. I would go work for or donate to Santorum, I think Santorum’s manufacturing plan is appealing to me because it would create good middle class jobs, and that appeals to Democrats also. No one on the left or right seems to even be trying to bring those jobs back to America. They have given up on them, but I have not and many Democrats in those swing states have not either. Thankfully, Santorum has not given up on them and has a solid plan to bring them back, using conservative principles of tax breaks and cutting regulation, instead of the Obama method of subsidizing with taxpayer money. For anyone hoping to see the return of the blue collar worker, Santorum is the only choice, the others are not worth the effort to even go vote.

    • natek58

      Stemming the Tide or Changing the Game

      Santorum CAN win. With Romney we still lose even IF he wins (which is not goign to happen).

      • xymbaline

        And perhaps even more decisively.

        • acat

          This is functionally the same as Santorum or Gingrich winning, but .. it’s still on Obama to screw up.

          Mew

    • acat

      If you’re not willing to get your ass off the couch for the down-ticket races, then your opinion has no value. Go away.

      Mew

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Santorum would lose Colorado by double digits.

  • rednation

    OP is correct. Repubs run up the score in small counties. Obama will be counting on the same in the big cities with 65-15% like numbers.

    The idea that Romney who needed to carpetbomb and barely beat moneyless Santorum, getting all the extra liberal oriented votes that he will not get or seriously eat into in the fall from places like Cleveland, will be more suited to win is silly.

    He does not personally connect with voters, and those swing voters, notorious for a lack of logic in picking their guy, are not going go with a personality devoid wall street guy that looks like he fired your boss over someone they at least like.

    If he can eat into Cleveland enough to swing it while not depressing in the small counties which is likely in the case of Romney at least with respect to the small counties, then he’s not worth winning with anyway since he’s too liberal and would compromise and govern too much like a Democrat.

    That’s what Romney is, after all.

    • garfieldjl

      Then he immediately switched to Santorum, and people began to realize Romney was just launching an Obama style smear job on the other Republicans.