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Paul Loses Big in Home County

By: citizenkh (Diary)  |  May 29th, 2012 at 11:50 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

That’s right folks, Ron Paul only received 22.67% of the vote in his home county, Bazoria, tonight.

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/results/may29_160_county19.htm

When you lose big at home, you are officially unelectable.  Not much else can be said.

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  • mikeymike143

    citizenkh, i am going to repost this diary on all of my facebook political sites. : )

    • mikeymike143

      yet another rejection of that loon paul and the cancer he spreads by republican voters. and this one was on his home court. LOL.

      i say that conservatives should ostracize and shun the paulbots like we would a leper.

      • bbjaylive

        You add absolutely nothing to any discussion. You sure you don’t belong on one of those fringe sites like FreeRepublic and GatewayPundit. Only thing worse than a Paulbot is an anti-Paul-bot who is obsessed with typing the same message about Paul. STFU.

        Citizenkh, you’re in the same boat as mikey. You’re both morons.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          So what were you saying again?

          • trimulchio

            Interesting to see if is able to sutain his movement, unlike Perot.

          • bbjaylive

            …or gold standard thinking, which is why the Eurozone is in the crapper right now.

          • conservativerock5

            Gold has nothing to do with the Eurozone

          • bbjaylive

            …the idea that national governments should be constricted in monetary and fiscal policies with no regard to the economic status of the nation or the living standard of the people. The 3% Debt to GDP ratio is absolute insanity.

          • conservativerock5

            The idea is that a standard based money system constrains the government from doing harm. There is no perfect money system, but the current fiat money system is one of the main reasons Europe is in the mess it is in.

            http://www.thefreemanonline.org/features/did-the-gold-standard-cause-the-great-depression/

          • aesthete

            was that there was no political unity to go with the monetary union. It has nothing to do with the gold standard, or lack thereof.

            I would agree that a 3% debt:GDP ratio is crazy, but the actual requirements were that the deficit:GDP ratio not be > 3%, and that debt:GDP < 60% in normal times. Both requirements were eminently reasonable: even with our outsized spending (and much larger military budgets proportionally than the Euros), the US debt:GDP ratio was < 60% until 2001. Our deficits:GDP ratio only exceeded 3% in the last two years of the Bush admin, and only then because of TARP. Even then, keep in mind that the Euro requirements were not enforced, and were in fact blatantly ignored by almost all countries. Greek debt:GDP reached 160%! That is entirely unreasonable.

            The problem with the Euro is that, with a single currency and no unifying political structure, losses and gains are socialized, and those who follow sound fiscal policy have to then subsidize those who follow bad policy, in order to maintain sane monetary policy.

          • conservativerock5

            the people doing bad things.

            Decentralization is always the key.

          • bbjaylive

            I’m saying that mikeymikewhatever999 is a troll of the highest order and has nothing of value to contribue other than repeating sentences which contain the words “pink”, “loon”, “otracise”, “shun”and “leper” over and OVER AGAIN.

            Meh, never mind, I’ll ignore the moron from now on.

          • PowerToThePeople

            was his anti Paul truth, he adds more to the conversation than you ever could. And until your retard Paul loons slink back to the slums you came from, he needs to keep on repeating it. One Paultard is one too many.

            By the way, actually have a posting record before you start calling others trolls or challenge a mod when he is stating the obvious about you.

            Now off to competent people such as Mike, you are a bore.

            PS If you do not like what someone writes, do not read it. No one is forcing you to be here or to read what anyone writes. Now, get up, go up the stairs and out of the basement, go out into the beautiful sunshine, and spray some chemtrails.

          • bbjaylive

            …and in the process you make yourself appear to be an obnoxious moron. No nuanced argument at all, just a pathetic attempt at listing as many synonyms of the word “idiot”.

            I don’t care that Paul was a terrible candidate, it’s time someone called out mikey’s trolling tendencies and complete incompetence at articulating any sort of intellectual argument.

            If you get off mentally to mikey’s deranged and incessant rantings, I won’t stand in your way.

            Call people Paulbots all you want, but back it up with actual EVIDENCE and REASON.

          • gekster

            And that one is an easy call.

            So tell me of all the graces of RP.
            I’ll wait while you think of something.

          • conservativerock5

            I agree with bbjaylive, you don’t have to be a paul supporter to figure out who the obsessive loons are…I think loons should be banned

          • lineholder

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          • gekster

            So you post of the good graces of RP.
            I’ll wait.

          • conservativerock5

            The hate is simply irrational. The obsessiveness is strange.

            I like his general message of the constitution, liberty, and free markets. I like his views on abortion and I agree with his solution.

            Do I agree with him on foreign policy? No, some things he says have merit, but much of it is not very practical.

            As I have said before, the anti-Paulbots are just as bizarre as the Paulbots, or worse.

          • gekster

            is not hate, per se.
            It is realising the obvious about RP

          • bbjaylive

            I realise that there is a rather healthy stubbornness to views or arguments from Paulites. I generally agree with that policy on RedState, as it really isn’t worth the time arguing with birthers and truthers.

            However, there are times when the stubbornness turns to full-blown reactionary attacks, where the vets here are like blood-hounds and pounce on anyone who is criticising an anti-Paul post or offering even the slightest bit of praise of a Paul position.

            I, like others here, am sick of Mikey “Chief Anti-Paulite” Mike’s anti-intellectual rants which belong on echo chambers like GP and FreeRepublic. It’s as if every day he needs to have a 2-Minute Hate against the “enemy” – Ron “Goldstein” Paul. He offers absolutely nothing to intellectual discourse and he is better off in silence.

          • acat

            Or .. you could point out how his anti-Paul statements could be sharpened, refined, and improved….

            If you’ve lost gekster …. you’re doin’ it wrong.

            Mew

          • aesthete

            a pile of elephant dung in a circus, given what we know about acclimation to common sights and smells… doesn’t mean it should be tolerated in a context where we have a reasonable expectation of not being accosted by the smell. On RS, there is the reasonable expectation that all assembled are here to unify and effect political change, and to have reasonable conversation regarding same. We shouldn’t have to put up with mikey’s crap.

            Crap begets crap, as this very thread (which has lost any semblance of reasonability) shows.

          • gekster

            but it’s that darn ‘free speach’ thing that gets in the way.
            And as much as they and them have that free speach,
            you also have the freedom to ignore it and not respond to it.
            No one is making anyone post here,
            and no one is making anyone read here.

            The choice to read is yours.
            That’s just a taste of freedom.

            And to quote a quote I read from somewhere;
            “I may not agree with what you say,
            but I will defend unto the death your right to say it”.

            Didn’t we just honor alot of men and women who died for that very quote.

          • JSobieski

            I don’t read Aesthete’s comments as a request to ban anyone, but rather free speech comprising of “lets shape up”.

            As a practice, I have never asked that anyone be banned on this site. Nor have I ever asked a moderator for assistance on anything.

            All that being said, this diary has no intellectual purpose.

            We knew Paul would get globbered.
            We knew that Paul is unelectable.

            The only purpose of this diary is to start a fight with people who should be voting against Obama in November.

            So bravo to the writer of the diary—very very very helpful to our cause.

            Iran moves closer to a nuke, EU bank runs look iminent, and the US economy sputters.

            Good thing we can make ourselves feel better about ourselves by picking on a hapless supporters of has-been candidate.

            Paul is such an easy target. Why not take on Democrats instead?

          • gekster

            I have seen a few coming and may have stated so.

          • aesthete

            not censorship. I, and many other people, have plenty of fool thoughts pop into my head at a shockingly regular interval. No one should be punished for expressing those thoughts, but I should hope that people have enough self-respect to parse their thoughts through a filter of intelligence and respect before speaking, and associating with people who do likewise. Basic things like chiding or shunning would help, as would evaluating statements and people on what they say instead of what one imagines they are saying. IMO, texasref has proven himself a value-adding poster such that people should be responding to him in like fashion and responding to the points that he makes. Instead, we’re seeing a pile-on where a bunch of contentless invective is being held sacrosanct and above criticism, simply because it’s being directed towards Ron Paul!

            Have a little self-respect, guys. It’s fun to wade around in the mud for an hour — but it really sucks to make a home there.

          • gekster

            You can ask people to be respectfull, with which I agree,
            but with any and all freedoms, you get the bad with the good.

            (and I will admit, I have been on both ends, mybad)

          • acat

            The trouble is, as none of us have the ability to actually *clean up* the crap, our options are limited, on a spectrum between “Eww, crap! Don’t step in it!” and “Hey look, crap! Let’s fling it!”

            Which approach, on this spectrum, do you think will be most helpful in correcting the situation, assuming the polite uniformed fellows with the shovels and brooms don’t step in?

            Mew

          • aesthete

            What does a parent do when a child misbehaves? Does he point out the consequences of their behavior and put in place incentives and punishments for a child to avoid that bad behavior — or does he bring himself down to his child’s level? Which approach allows for a healthy relationship, and allows for more maturity on the part of both parties?

            Moderators respond to the tone and discourse that posters and diarists establish. People respecting their own image, and instilling that respect on the forum itself, create good, self-enforcing rules for the forum. Starving a troll of attention (beyond a perfunctory acknowledgement of the bad behavior) works, and allows us to reach more people. Iron sharpens iron, and all that jazz.

          • gekster

            Don’t like it, don’t read it.
            Unless of course you are just looking for something to rant about.

          • lineholder

            Is that your intent?

            Just wondering, because if it is…good job!

          • gekster

            That only applies to others, never themselves. ;)

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          • Dave_A

            A radical peace-through-surrender, end-all-war leftist organization that backs Ron Paul.

            It is a valid criticism, just like pointing out that Stormfront (a neo-nazi organization) backs Paul, that Lew Rockwell is one of Paul’s closest friends, and so on…

      • texasref

        Cruz said that Ron Paul has

        • PowerToThePeople

          what you think about Mike’s attack on the retard Paul. This site and most of its members agree with his assertions on that loon and any idiot who supports him.

        • acat

          Go ahead.

          I’m interested to hear what you think of Ron Paul’s position on earmarks – given that he has inserted many earmarks into bills that are guaranteed to pass and then votes against them…

          I’m interested to hear what you think of Ron Paul’s repeated refusal to endorse the Republican nominee, and repeatedly running *against* the Republican nominee as the Libertarian candidate…

          I’m interested to hear why you think a doddering old coot, with no discernible legislative record has been any kind of clarion.

          This leaves aside the Paulistines and Paultards who follow the doddering old coot like locusts, copying and pasting articles, flooding online polls, but who can’t explain let alone defend his positions.

          Do go ahead, texasref. I’ll wait.

          Mew

          p.s. or are you a locust, too?

          • texasref

            so why don’t you go ask my fellow locus, future Senator Ted Cruz

          • texasref

            My mistake for engaging with a name-calling personal attacker. Disregard the above post.

          • texasref

            by “name-calling personal attacker” I mean what you called Paul, not the locust thing you called Cruz and me.

          • gekster

            Or is it that he called RP a name that offends you.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Because you are doing him a great service here.

          • acat

            Cruz (and you left off the obviously similar DeMint story) is a politician, and there’s no reason for either to distance themselves from Ron Paul … but that doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.

            Are you a locust or not?

            Mew

          • texasref

            You said:

            I

          • conservativerock5

            His son supports an earmark ban however.

            To me, it is a complicated and minute issue in comparison with others.

            On the one hand, you want tax dollars your district pays to come back to your district. You are representing your constituents. On the other hand, there is a potential for abuse and it always happens.

            Of course, money not earmarked is spent by the agencies and they waste it.

            Therefore we need to get rid of earmarking and the agencies that would otherwise designate the money.

            Return the infrastructure money for roads and sea construction back to the states in the form of block grants.

            Any anti or pro earmark person is really missing the real issue at hand. We need federalism.

          • acat

            until he could no longer actually *insert* any earmarks.

            He’s on record opposing them while, at the same time, using them to great benefit to his district.

            I’d say he’s changed his tune, but I’d have to figure out which side of his mouth it’s coming from.

            Mew

          • acat

            appeal-to-authority arguments, taking no responsibility for your statements upon your own self. Does this work in the rest of your life? “Yes, boss, I did it that way because Bubba did it that way” or “Yes, dear, I brought you flowers because Bubba brought his wife flowers today.” ?

            Pull up your gender-appropriate undergarments and defend your statements with facts, or admit you’re a dancing locust and we’ll try to get you on America’s Got Talent.

            (I’ve reformatted what follows into proper HTML, we’ll see if it works)

            I

          • gekster

            and come up with actual facts.
            RP supporters have a hard time doing both.

            (they got that problem with the gum and walking thing also)

          • acat

            (Cheshire grin)

          • texasref

            I just don’t hate him.

            Like Governor Huckabee always says, “I’m consevative, but I’m not angry about it.”

            P.S.: With winners like the SOX bill and McCain/Feingold, I wish more congressmen could claim not to have any bills with their name on it.

          • gekster

            I have to ask, can you walk and chew gum at the same time.

          • texasref

            than to admit they were answered effectively.

          • gekster

            He is still waiting for your answers.
            He disputes your non-answers.
            But a nice try at a dodge to answering.
            And you didn’t answer mine.
            Can you walk and chew gum at the same time,
            or is that to much to ask.

          • acat

            I’ll agree, it would be better if fewer congresscritters had their names on big-government bills … but arguing that Ron Paul sat on his ass for 40 years and did nothing is pretty faint praise… not to mention false, as he was busy inserting earmarks the whole time.

            I’m not noticeably angry about being a libertarian-leaning conservative. I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore about the old coot from Texas giving libertarian thought a bad name *for his personal enrichment*.

            Mew

          • acat

            You made the statement.

            You own the statement.

            You can defend it with facts, you can admit you are in error, or you can dance.

            So far, you seem to be dancing. Are you a locust?

            Mew

          • texasref

            There ya go.

    • Stricia

      Mikeymike is laughable. His obsession with having Demint as V.P. is even funnier. Here is why — DeMint in the past has praised Mikey’s nemesis — Ron Paul.

      “Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) said Wednesday the Republican presidential candidates need to listen to Ron Paul and would benefit from integrating some of his libertarian ideas into their platform.”

      That’s from THE HILL back on January, 11, 2012.

      How on earth does Mikey square DeMint’s fondness for Ron Paul ?

      • gekster
        • texasref

          Perhaps you did, however.

          Stricia makes a great point: Mikeymike is so maniacally obsessed with personally trashing Paul to the point of candibotting, yet he wants Romney to pick DeMint for veep, a guy who probably is closer to Rep Paul and especially Sen Paul on issues of taxation and liberty and life than he is to Romney himself.

          I just don’t understand how this Mikeymike can be so right on wanting DeMint for veep, yet be so wrong on trashing a guy DeMint and Cruz support on so many of the most critical issues facing this country.

          P.S.: I will post a video of myself crowing like a rooster while standing on my head if Romney picks DeMint for veep. Because I would like nothing better. Although picking Sen Paul would be very smart, and well worth the snark factor to see the look on Mikeymike’s face. :-)

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I doubt Jim DeMint would ever go along with Ron Paul’s looney assertion that 9/11 was the fault of our Middle Eastern policies or claim we wanted it to happen. I could put the 4000 hits on google that come up with “Ron Paul 9/11 America’s Fault” but Leon Wolf does a pretty good job here.

            You stated in an earlier post that you voted for the guy “Ted Cruz said has

          • texasref

            Reply to your 1st sentence: Please show me a quote saying 9/11 was America’s fault. He might have said it wouldn’t have happened but for America’s policies, but that is not the same thing. Just as a lady might not have been raped had she stayed home from the bar on a particular night, no one would rationally ague that she is to blame for having been raped for having gone out.

            Reply to your 2nd sentence: I’m sure truthers will cite whoever they think has some legitimacy to bolster their irrational claims. The people thus cited cannot be blamed for their irrational exuberance, as evidenced by mere google hits.

            Reply to your 4th sentence: I have never been asked if I am a paulbot before. So I must be hitting a nerve. In the last couple days I have started to push back against Mikeymike’s deranged candibotting (as opposed to garden variety candibotting, where personal namecalling denigrating attacks aren’t as much of a focus) because it contradicts how so many fine conservatives feel about him–and I am glad to be on the same page as these fine conservatives, who happen to be strongly supported here at redstate. To answer your question, if the definition of a paulbot is someone who will vote for Paul in the general election, your answer is no. If your definition is anyone who comes to his defense with quotes from solid conservative senators or senate candidates when certain people (achem, Mike) wax candibotcraptacular, then your answer is yes.

            As for your fifth sentence: If you are a resident of Texas, no one is stopping you from voting for Dewhurst. He is establishminty fresh. Ugh.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            “Though it is hard for many to believe, honest studies show that the real motivation behind the September 11 attacks and the vast majority of other instances of suicide terrorism is not that our enemies are bothered by our way of life. Neither is it our religion, or our wealth. Rather, it is primarily occupation. If you were to imagine for a moment how you would feel if another country forcibly occupied the United States, had military bases and armed soldiers present in our hometowns, you might begin to understand why foreign occupation upsets people so much. Robert Pape has extensively researched this issue and goes in depth in his book “Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It”. In fact, of 2,200 incidents of suicide attacks he has studied worldwide since 1980, 95% were in response to foreign occupation. “

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            is a mere innocent bystander when evil came, Dr. Paul is saying the terrorist merely were defending their homeland against American invasion. The two are not even closely synonmous.

          • texasref

            Rep Paul was correct to attribute the motivation of the 9/11 attackers to the occupation by the United States in foreign lands. That is more of a fact than an opinion. Nowhere does Paul argue (nor would I) that the attacks of 9/11 were a proper reaction by them or in any way the fault of the United States.

            So Paul and I would agree that the 9/11 attacks are not the fault of the United States. I disagree with Paul that it all could have been avoided had we not been “occupying” other countries. In fact, we would have had arguably greater loss of life in other ways had we pulled into ourselves the way Paul suggests. That is why I was not an ardent Paul supporter during this nominating process. Having said that, Romney was at the bottom of a list on which Paul’s named appear (my preference list). But I know to vote Republican this fall unlike some folks who have been banned.

          • acat

            align with your asserted reasoning.

            Why, if he believed the U.S. is not at fault, would he argue for leaving?

            Mew

          • texasref

            John and Mary sit next to each other in their 5th grade class.

            Mary incessantly taps her pencil. It drives John nuts. If only Mary would chill out with the pencil-tapping, John wouldn’t be going nuts.

            So John reaches over to Mary, grabs the pencil right out of her hand, and stabs her in the eye with the sharp end, with blood everywhere.

            The teacher and the teacher’s aide see this and react in horror. The teacher’s aide had previously warned Mary that sometimes she could be disturbing the way she keeps on tapping the pencil, and to keep it to a minimum. The teacher disagreed, saying that whatever she needed to do to focus on her math could only help, and that as long as she wasn’t too loud it wasn’t a problem and the other students would just have to deal with it.

            So basically, to explain what all that means…Rep Paul is like the teacher’s aide who didn’t approve of all that pencil-tapping Mary was doing. I’m like the teacher who has no problem with it, by and large. But the teacher and the teacher’s aide both heard John loud and clear when he explained that he only stabbed Mary with the pencil because that tapping was occupying his every thought, making him very resentful (just as the presence of American troops abroad make other nations resentful). I don’t even think that’s a very good explanation, and it surely isn’t a justification for what John did.

            So, you see, the teacher’s aide (Paul) counseled Mary to stop tapping her pencil, both before and after this incident. But the teacher’s aide would be just as horrified as anyone else, including the teacher (me), at the idea that what John did was justified by it.

          • acat

            it’s not a matter of whether “Ron Paul was horrified by 9/11″, it’s what his *reaction* to that horror is … and his is unacceptable.

            Mew

            p.s. I’m assuming you’re not casting Mary in the role of Israel and John in the role of Palestine …

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            on this point. You have stated several times your intention to vote for Barack Obama’s retirement in November so we are on the same side.

          • texasref

            It’s just I think the license this site gives to tar and feather Paul supporters has been misinterpreted by mikeymike as a license to set the whole darn barn on fire.

          • gekster

            with all of his supporters.

          • Stricia

            Surely you didn’t mean that!

          • PowerToThePeople

            and Amen!

            Who is bringing the Marshmellows?

          • aesthete

            I don’t like Paul. I’ve stated my reasons for why on RS. I find mikeymike’s one note candibotism almost as annoying as the stuff we had when there was a contested primary.

            I mean sheesh, he’s an insignificant, soon-to-be-retiring representative who has done nothing of note in his position. You’d think he personally gave mike AIDs.

          • conservativerock5

            The delusional former Paul staffer, who used to post here…..

          • gekster

            ….

          • aesthete

            regardless of who it’s being directed towards.

            If it were being directed towards Romney and his supporters, it would be obnoxious.

            If it were being directed towards Huckabee and his supporters, it would be obnoxious.

            If it were being directed towards Santorum and his supporters, it would be obnoxious.

            Heck, if it were being directed towards Santorum and his supporters, it would *still* be obnoxious!

            As I said, I am not a fan of Paul — but mikeymike’s constant invective and over-the-top nature debases the level of discourse, and invites further debasement. I won’t name names, but RS is a much less civil and much more ignorant place than when I first started posting, in part because trolls for/against candidates have prospered and become popular for no reason besides their partisan, candidate-based affiliations. Absolute trash diaries with juvenile reasoning, wretched logic, awful grammar/spelling, and no new information imparted have been on the recommend list for weeks at a time, mostly based on similar sentiment. Heck, look at the comments on here since mikey showed up: a bunch of fools denouncing each other left and right like it’s a Stalinist show trial.

            Worse, this crowds out legitimate criticisms of Paul (particularly of his foreign policy, but also on other issues) and entrenches in the mind of a “weak” Paul supporter the fraudulent notion that Paul is so good, that this rubbish is all that his detractors are left with as means of retort.

          • bbjaylive

            Before I started lurking on RedState I would regularly read blogs and sites such as “The Gateway Pundit” and “Free Republic” during last winter to check up on discussions about the GOP primary.

            I soon found out that these sites were nothing but echo-chambers offering such witty quotes “OH NO!! The Marxist Muslim Ohbummer doesn’t get to play today! Maybe he should spend more time with Moochelle!” and just a general anti-intellectualism mixed in with NWO conspiracy theories and “Derbyshire”-style psuedo-scientific arguments that try to justify their bigotry.

            Then I came here, finally a gathering of conservatives so have actual intellectual discussions about policy.

            This sort of “bubble-gum” conservatism poisons the arteries and bring down the level of discourse, just like Ron Paul has managed to infect the GOP that they now are spouting fringe economic theories. Your last sentence perfectly summarises this danger.

          • JSobieski

            Is this part of a unify the party effort?

            I have no use for Ron Paul, but I am not so anxious to chase away his supporters.

          • texasref

            even with all the attacks on their “main man,” then they were never salvageable anyway.

          • JSobieski

            Critieria for beneficial political discussion:
            (1) Gain supporters
            (2) Call attention to a problem
            (3) Interesting intellectual discussion

            This diary and its aftermath fail with respect to all 3 categories.

            Just aggravating people we want to vote with us.
            Ron Paul is a retiring has-been—so there is no problem being addressed.
            The conversation is devoid of intellectual content.

            This is actually what Obama hopes we spend the next 5 months going.

            Great job everyone!!!!!!

          • commonsenseobserver

            There is no need to provoke Paul supporters for no reason, especially when Senator Paul has been a staunch friend of conservatives in the Senate.

          • gekster

            We can’t alienate a bunch of pot smoking, conspirecy theorist, anti-semite, isolationists collage kids from voting Republicans, can we.

          • commonsenseobserver

            We’re better off not provoking them. Even if we do disagree with their beliefs and tactics, Rep. Paul has lost his relevance now. It’d be like worrying about Jimmy Carter running for President again.

          • texasref

            Carter would probably do better this fall than Obama will.

          • gekster

            from:
            http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/ron-paul-s-fans-will-they-vote-gop-in-2012–20111230

            excerpt:
            An unswerving loyalty to Paul, not to the Republican Party, is not uncommon among the congressman

          • aesthete

            All are doomed to be that way from now to the dawn of time?

            I thought we were individualists, here.

            “We aren’t gonna get them, so who cares if we insult them” is the lazy way out. At one point, there was no such thing as a classical liberal. Christianity started with almost no adherents. Both movements grew because proponents converted their adversaries by engaging them on their own level. St Paul did not say to the Athenians, “see you in hell, f*gs!!” He quoted their own works to engage them.

          • gekster

            shows you are looking for things not there.

            I wasn’t going to post this, untill I read this:

          • aesthete

            was the pile-on and insults heaped on folks like texasref. There’s no other meaning that could be derived from your statements, especially as you categorize all Ron Paul supporters as “a bunch of pot smoking, conspirecy theorist, anti-semite, isolationists collage kids” — something which is neither true, nor intended to convey an accurate picture, but which was instead intended to insult.

          • gekster

            And it doesn’t take away from what you wanted to see, and not from what was actualy shown.
            Like I said, I thought you were smarter than that.

          • aesthete

            I’ll tell you what, though, I liked this forum a lot better a year ago than I do now. Do you ever wonder where all the posters like JSob went? I’m pretty sure I know what drove them away, or at least made it easy for them to leave.

          • gekster

            Posters giving them counter arguments that they couldn’t handle.
            Or showing them they were seeing things that wern’t there.
            Or maybe not being able to debate on the merits of being challenged on what they posted, and not being able to post better than what they were challenged on.

            jsob ‘did’ say I said ‘all’.

            jsob did say ‘insult them’, when didn’t say that.
            I called him on that and he didn’t have a response.
            He said it, I called, and so far he has folded his hand,
            nd now you are making excuses for him.
            Debate and give a better arguement. If your right, then what the heck, you win.

            And debate on the article and my words as to the article, don’t whine about this not being to your likeing.

          • aesthete

            Address this: “a bunch of pot smoking, conspirecy theorist, anti-semite, isolationists collage kids”

            What was your intention in characterizing Ron Paul supporters this way?

          • gekster

            And show where I said they ‘all’ were like that.

            And show me where I said it is ok to insult them.
            Just show me. and I’ll shut up.

          • gekster

            You’re the poster who is ‘allways right’ no matter what. even if you are proven wrong.
            I’m such a homer sometimes.
            But it’s ok, I admit to being human sometimes,
            even a homer, something you won’t do, as it might mean you are wrong sometimes.

          • JSobieski

            Are we adding to a base of support? NO
            Are we identifying public policy problems/solutions? NO
            Are we engaging in an intellectual discussion? NO

            If someone can tell me what the point of this diary is, I would love to hear it.

          • gekster

            RP is a loon and his followers a dialisioned loons.
            Seeing things not there.
            Your driving with your eyes closed.

            And that’s who we need in the party, the ones I mentioned.

          • JSobieski

            I have to start guessing.

            Does it build political support? NO
            Does it address/identify a public policy problem? NO
            Does it further intellectual discussion on a topic? NO

            So what is the point of the diary and defending it.

            Sounds like gratuitous attacks on Ron Paul supporters—an activity that serves no positive purpose.

          • gekster

            The ones who spray vinegar to stop chemtrails.
            The isolationists.
            The anti semites.
            The pot smokers and drug users.
            The ones who support prostitution.
            The ones who want to tie our doller to gold.
            Which one do you want to incorperate into the Republican party.

          • acat

            It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion about certain political topics related to libertarian thought *because* of Ron Paul and his supporters.

            No consensus is possible. No political support is possible. The “receptors” are blocked…

            I agree that Libertarian philosophy should receive a broader discussion. You know this.

            This debate *can’t* happen, though, with the baggage that Ron Paul brings along. His supporters flood the zone… nothing else but pro-Paul copy/paste non-conversation can get through.

            Mew

          • Dave_A

            Because allowing them to pollute the GOP moves us to the left in a far worse & more insidious way than normal, moderate RINOS.

            The Paul folks are revolutionary radicals – every bit as repugnant as the Occupy! crowd (And in many cases, part of it)….

            There is no common ground possible with them on economics, foreign policy, or law enforcement – they are with the Democrats on foreign policy and law enforcement, and off in loonie-land on economics.

            The best thing that could happen to the GOP, is to expel every last one of them, and to primary Rand Paul out of the Senate & revoke his GOP membership publicly – if he wants to run again, he can run as an Independent & see if he can get elected with the traditional Paul coalition of extreme Democrats, anarchists, gold-bugs, conspiracy theorists (Birchers, Truthers, and NWO believers) & other crazies….

          • mikeymike143

            the paulbots are much worse than RINO’s. they are left wingers and the ”blame america” crowd. and their presence in the party would only alienate conservatives. you would lose a whole lot more than you would gain by allowing paulbots in the party.

          • texasref

            Glad to know you disagree with the candidate most of redstatemanagement, including Erick Erickson, endorsed in the Kentucky primary and general elections 2 years ago. But hey, you have 4 years to come up with a candidate.

            I hear cost of living ain’t bad in Louisville. Dave.

          • bbjaylive

            …and not in the way you have feared. There was never any danger that there isolationism would poision the party, but this 4/5 year C4L has turned the GOP into a economic incoherents who don’t understand how money is created, how inflation is created, who think that the Fed prints money and who think that QE is bad when the economy is weak.

            Just look at the examples, Paul Ryan has railed against QE and Perry’ nonsenical remark about how Ben Bernanke’s actions are somehow treasonous. Fact of the matter is, among the candidates Paul had studied economic policy (even if it was the wrong one) more than most of the candidates, and they never challenged his anarchistic economic theories because either they were afraid to or (more likely) had little knowledge of mainstream economics.

            Then there was the debt ceiling debacle last year (even though there was absolutely no danger at all) …

          • streiff

            in keeping Ron Paul people on our side than I did in keeping David Duke people.

            If we invite them in we will not only have to listen to their rather warped world view but we’ll also have to nod in polite agreement and defend them to everyone else.

            I appreciate your sentiments but you can’t really have an electoral coalition where on of the parts is crazy.

          • bbjaylive

            …people who voted for Bachmann with her Gardasil conspiracy nonsense and people who voted for Cain, who after a few debates, was shown to be clearly CLUELESS.

          • gekster

            Demint did say ‘some’ of his ideas.
            Stricia slams him because Mikey supports Demint, who say ‘some’ of RP’s ideas are good.
            You fail in the fact that I was pointing it out to Stricia that just becuse RP has ‘some’ good ideas, does not mean that Demint supports ‘all’ of RP’s ideas.

            And I have no position on who the VP nominee will be, as I will leave that up to Romney, as he has to put up with whome ever he chooses.

            (and in that you actually think her smack at Mikey is a good point?
            Well, what could I add.)

          • texasref

            would grant some positive attributes to the man, as would I. Some.

            Even a solid conservative like Perry strays from the course sometimes. (Dewhurst endorsement). Or Newt with his Dede endorsement. Or me with my endorsement of gay marriage :-)

            No one here except perhaps Mr. Becker is conservative on everything.

          • gekster

            Some are hard to spot, others not so much.

          • acat

            Someone who can actually form coalitions, someone who can work with other republicans to get bills passed, someone who doesn’t spend so much time tilting at windmills…

            It’s not the ideas that are the problem, something DeMint and Cruz and Reagan and others seem to “get”. It’s the sad, bitter little man using them to build his retirement account.

            Mew

          • conservativerock5

            His son Rand gets it. Mike Lee gets it.

            While I am glad he got into the heads of many young people and stopped them from becoming full fledged liberals, he also needs to appeal to everyone else, and for that they need more of a realist and better speaker, with some policy changes as well.

          • acat

            Insanity does run in some families…

            Mew

      • conservativemusician

        Paul and his “legions” are embarrassing and childish and, frankly, very selfish. They are also doing nothing toward accomplishing the ultimate goal, which is to get Obama out and start taking our country back from the leftist hordes. They have marginalized themselves with their fringe behavior and cult-like lunacy and cannot be taken seriously in spite of their protestations otherwise. Therefore, I say let’s move on to another subject please.

        • JSobieski

          He actually puts out aggressive but not crazy polciy proposals out there.

          He pushes things (far more cuts than any recent Ryan budget) but not so much that support is limited to one.

          I say all of this because Rand Paul is a supporter of Ron Paul.

          • gekster

            From ProjectVoteSmart.
            http://votesmart.org/

            his record.
            http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/ron-paul

            Take a look and see just how ‘effective’ he is.
            Make up your own mind.

          • commonsenseobserver

            Is not Ron Paul

          • gekster

            mybad.

            (and there are no bars on my shoulders)

      • conservativerock5

        DeMint doesn’t like the Fed!

        • mikeymike143

          A Redstate Exclusive: Ex-Staffer Calls Ron Paul

          • mikeymike143

            Is a vote for Ron Paul a vote for Code Pink?

            On Monday, the left wing anti-war group Code Pink praised Ron Paul

          • mikeymike143

            Ron Paul bends over backwards to defend Islamo-fascists. He also does all he can to attack a patriot as he does everything possible to appease a Hollywood elite stereotype of conservatives.

            We have all observed him going to great lengths to make us

          • mikeymike143

            Judson Phillips, Chairman, TPN(tea party nation): Has Ron Paul been evaluated for dementia? He is raving mad.

            Allen West: Ron Paul

          • texasref

            Have YOU been evaluated for dementia?

            If you talk to yourself that’s not so bad. But if you answer…thats pretty bad.

            But if you answer 3 times…I recommend professional help.

          • gekster

            Typical RP loon.

          • texasref

            “Typical RP loon.”

            I am a Ron Paul loon. I love Ron Paul. I want to marry Ron Paul. I wish everybody would vote for him. If he runs against Obama I will vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is, as they say in poker, the nuts. Not nuts. THE nuts. Big difference. Ron Paul can do no wrong. If you disagree you are a bad person. If you don’t answer exactly like I want you to when I ask you a question which has a foundation that I can see quite clearly in my head (so why can’t you?), then I will harass you and annoy you and use all my wit to call you names, er, I mean engage in incisive analysis, um yeah, thats the ticket…and I will claim, no matter how genuinely to try to engage my questions, that you are simply dodging them, and we all know that people who don’t address points and questions exactly the way we want them to are like duh obviously RP loons, just like those nasty criminals who don’t answer questions when the police are just trying to get to the bottom of things, and they get convicted anyway, and some of these people are murderers, so who’s to say I’m not a murderer when I don’t answer your questions the way you want, because, after all, that’s what RP loons do I mean murderers, oh wait my head hurts nevermind.

          • gekster

            I knew it was just a matter of time.
            So are you a dope smoker or anti Isreal.
            Or an anti isreal dope smoker.

          • texasref

            When you wrestle with a pig, you get some mud on your clothes. I’m sure my stupidity for engaging you in this peeing match will go away the moment I hit “reply to this” on this comment.

            I have never smoked marijuana in my life.

            I think Netanyahu should have bombed Iran already, that’s how much I love Israel. I think Sheldon Adelson and Newt Gingrich are awesome. If I stood up at a Ron Paul rally and said exactly what I think about all of that stuff, they’d boo me off the stage.

            Enjoy this comment, gekster. It is the last one I ever will reply to you. Nor will I talk about you in other comments to other diarists. You are on, as they say in the chat rooms, “ignore.”

          • gekster

            Typical RP supporter. Can’t handle it, throw it on the other and run away.
            In my neck of the woods, we call it no balls.

            (but you’ve allready shown that)

          • checkmate2012

            Have YOU been evaluated for dementia?

            If you talk to yourself that

          • texasref

            nt nt

          • bbjaylive

            He’s just copying and pasting links to articles. That’s all he does – anti-Paul rants and spamming links.

            He’s a buffoon of the highest order.

            I don’t understand why you defend this loon.

          • gekster

            which tref dodged.

            If you can’t see that, then explains your RP support.

          • checkmate2012

            not buying it. He who answers himself twice loses the argument!

          • texasref

            I won’t make a habit of it.

          • gekster

            Something his loony followers wont do.

          • texasref

            Something folks do when they lack the capacity to formulate a rational argument supported with, like, real points. Oh, kinda like you, gekster.

            Has it gotten so bad that you are picking fights with Gingrich supporters and falsely accusing them of being Paultards when all they are doing is reacting to this maniacal obsession of mikeymike? His Don Quioxte re-do is fair game for comment. I gave your questions more attention than they ever deserved, but I see that you are more interested in stirring up pots to exercise (you hope) a vicarious power-banhammer.

            I support whoever the Republicans nominate to run against Barack Obama. I always have and always will. Mitt Romney was my last choice, but I will do my duty. I’m just commenting on how maniacally craptacular some of the obsession has been.

            Have a nice day, but please don’t lie. I can tolerate your disrespect and your lies, but would appreciate if you’d at least not lie.

          • gekster

            It is you who dodged acats questions, and i have not lied about anything.
            Bob and waeve, dodge and deflect.
            Don’t answer questions and turn it on others.
            And it is you who is making excuses for Ron Paul. and now claiming to be a Gingrich supporter, when I havn’t seen Gingrich brought up until just now, when you just mentioned him.
            Sorry, but your slip is showing.

          • acat

          • checkmate2012

            when you clearly do the same. Except you called for Mickey to be evaluated for dementia for what you clearly have done more than once.

            Yes I’m guilty of adding on to my comment when I forgot a pertinent point but don’t accuse as you were fond of doing thru-out this entire thread. Come on ref.

          • texasref

            nt

          • gekster

            Kettle, pot?

          • texasref

            And how do you feel about it as you do?

            I mean, come on man, quit asking me questions in your headlines trying to paint me as a RP supporter. I do support fairness and being accurate about the points in which he is correct and in which he is incorrect.

            I agree with Ted Cruz and Jim DeMint in what they had to say about Ron Paul, and my support for Dr. Paul goes no further than that. End of story.

            Voting for the Republican nominee in November,
            Texas Ref

          • gekster

            Are you still sticking up for RP as you have been, or are you now changing your tune because you find there is no defense of Ron Paul.
            Are you sticking your finger to the wind, finding you can’t answer the questions asked about Ron Paul.
            Are you finding it better to now disavow Ron Paul than stick up for him.
            Are you saying that when the going gets tough, it is better to run away.
            Are you saying you have no spine.
            Just what are you saying homer.
            You’ve been pro RP for awhile.
            Did you run out of pot and finally wake up.

          • checkmate2012

            now will you? Not holding my breath but talk about out of line.

            gek can fight his own battles but I just wanted to put in my 2 cents and think that people here have been very tolerant of you and now you throw this crap out? Not cool.

          • gekster

            When some can’t win an arguement, they go stupid, as he clearly has done. I don’t mind, as now I know the level of intelligence I’m dealing with, which is pretty low.
            Non the less, thanks.

          • checkmate2012

            The comment made me mad as all get out and was uncalled for even in ya’lls heated debate. Keep it on point and no name calling, as you did, unlike what I got a few nights ago.

            Saw your comments the next day…thx. :) Lost my internet due to lightning for last two days.

          • gekster

            When theres a fire,two buckes are better than one, and the one bucket doesn’t question the other.
            Just an anology.
            And it is always good to have a fiend, as you can never have to many. ;)

          • checkmate2012

            lizards are good- they eat bugs- lol :)

            And I like the 2 bucket analogy. Typical non-conservative response is to not respond when the tough questions are asked….we see it everyday.

          • Stricia

            you admitted that it is good to have a “fiend” like checkmate. The atrocious spelling aside, you really described her more accurately than intended.

            Oh, I know your reply was going to be “Nobody cares about spelling on the Net, blah, blah, blah. Beat you to it.

          • checkmate2012

            You’re a worthless drive by drivel poster that only comes in for the kill remark to get attention. I’m only pointing out the obvious to RS’s that know I have substance and can stand up to your childish name calling rant.

            Have you earned the respect of others on this site? Not from the comments I’ve seen but you can always keep trying with your baffonery and low IQ. Dissing me only makes my case.

          • mikeymike143

            and your previous ignorant comments about acat, who is one of the most valued and respected posters on this entire site, backs up my very low opinion of you.

            and calling yourself the site pest just shows how attention needy you are. :)

          • checkmate2012

            was busy typing before I got to see your comment since I’m the object of her hatred. Nice :)

          • bbjaylive

            If you’re looking for your nose, I think I might have an idea where you put it.

          • gekster

            what.

            Could you elaborate on that.

          • JSobieski

            which hurts is in November.

            Gratuitiously poking people in the eyes with verbal sticks only hurts our cause.

            I really want to defeat Obama in November. I presume your goals are the same?

          • PowerToThePeople

            that middle of the road voters are Paultards and by exposing the stupidity of Paul and his loons, somehow we will lose all the middle?

            I think not……………..

          • gekster

            And we should embrace his followers?
            streiff says it better below.
            _____________________________
            to each his own, but I don’t see any more advantage
            streiff (Diary) Friday, June 1st at 11:44AM EDT (link)

            in keeping Ron Paul people on our side than I did in keeping David Duke people.

            If we invite them in we will not only have to listen to their rather warped world view but we

          • gekster

            But I think you read through that little miss-step, check.

            And if I am a lizard, I suppose it would be a ‘gecko’? ;)

          • mikeymike143

            and he doesnt want to debate the articles i posted about his anti semitic demigod. and wont answer gekster or checkmates questions about paul either. typical paulbot.

            and the funniest part is how paulbots say start off their sentence by saying ”i am not for ron paul” to avoid getting banned then write a whole paragraph defending him.

            paul is not a republican and he deserves to be treated with every bit of scorn and derision that he gets.

          • gekster

            But like most potheads, he can’t remeber a couple of hours age or what he said then. He’s been running in circles for awhile now.

          • checkmate2012

            but think it’s a bygone issue, don’t you? I didn’t see them giving RP much press for good reason but at least it’s a fait accompli, oui or si? Ha, Match, set, game and he’s gone from the stage, we can only hope unlike Carter who will NOT go away gracefully.

  • mikeymike143

    people sure are glad to see that loon paul get rejected. thats because anti semites and racists are not welcome in the party of lincoln.