History may record that Hank Paulson threw the election to Barack Obama


Taken as a whole, Paulson's behavior merits calls for his firing

I know that Leon has just written a strong defense of Hank Paulson.

I highly respect Leon’s contributions here at RedState, but in this case, when I step back a bit and review the whole drama around this Mother of All Bailouts™, I see Mr. Paulson at several key steps taking actions that directly and selectively have harmed John McCain’s standing as a candidate, an outcome that Paulson could easily avoided or mitigated had he wished to.

And in the process, Mr. Paulson has exploited President Bush’s well-know leadership weakness of putting undue trust in his appointed advisors. Whether Senator Graham is a fall guy or willing facilitator also remains to be seen.

History will have to judge whether Paulson put personal aggrandizement above country.

In any case, Paulson deserves to be fired. And in a McCain administration, which demands accountability, he would have been by now.

Let me outline the key events.


1) Mr. Paulson announces his plan 10 days ago as an emergency that requires immediate action over that weekend, lest the markets crash. This “sky is falling” pronouncement immediately spreads panic and fear, which is key to his maneuver. He has previously convinced President Bush that this sky is falling and that his bill is the ONLY solution, recruiting him as his point person and lapdog, a role that Bush has played throughout up to today.

2) Then, when Congress does not immediately fall into line over the weekend, Paulson backs off and gives Congress until Friday at the latest to pass the bill. This delay maintains a public atmosphere of crisis and turmoil while privately destroying his credibility with Congress (especially when the deadline later slips to the end of the weekend and changes to “agreement” rather than “bill”).

3) By doing this, rather than demanding a clean bill ASAP, Paulson loses control of the process. His wavering surrenders to the majority Democrats in Congress the whip hand, because Paulson is essentially holding the Republican administration hostage to the good will of a Democratic majority in Congress.

4) Paulson, though Bush, also frames this situation so as to allow the Democrats to require bipartisan cover for enacting this bill, rather than putting the onus on the majority party to get this bill passed.

5) That is, rather than negotiating for his bill (which apparently he had prepared months in advance) Paulson invites the Democrats to amend the bill and bludgeons the Republicans in Congress to accede, putting them in the awkward position of their only weapon being to say no. This also put them under extreme duress by forcing them to oppose George Bush, who has signed the blank check and says that the bill must pass to save the country.

6) The Democrats, taking advantage of Paulson’s open invitation, promptly started adding a bevy of pet projects and oversight that turns the bill into a Trojan Horse for socialism if they win in November.

7) Paulson does not call that out on this behavior, does not insist that they strip this stuff out and simply act on his original bill.

8) Now we get to the Presidential politics part of these events. The Democrats continue to abuse the bill in conjunction with a craven Republican Senate leadership, while the Republican House is locked out of the process. They begin to remonstrate and indicate that they are not going to fall into place and vote to approve the clutter attached to the bill.

9) Paulson then privately through Graham asks McCain to come to Washington to help out, probably without informing him of the real situation. He evidently said that if McCain did not come immediately, that the country would go down the drain. McCain, trusting his expertise, responded patriotically, putting country before politics.

10) What Paulson did not do was to publicly ask both McCain and Obama, as sitting senators, to come to Washington to help out. By keeping to back channels, he was acting in his own interests, not wanting to appear weak in public. This was the first sabotage of McCain.

11) As a result, McCain announces that he was suspending his campaign to ride to the rescue, but in keeping with usual protocol does not reveal that Paulson had initiated the request. As a result, the Obama campaign is able to twist McCain’s action as grandstanding, while enabling them to keep Obama away (for the moment). It also essentially puts the onus of success on McCain, without obligation of involving Obama.

12) The Democrats thus are totally free, which they took advantage of on Thursday morning, to announce a so-called agreement before McCain arrived, trying making McCain look foolish and unneeded.

13) When McCain arrives and discovers that he is being asked to bludgeon the House Republicans into submission and learns that they had alternative ideas and were being denied a place of the table (while the Democrats had been allowed to run amok), McCain blows up Paulson’s strategy by instead supporting the House Republicans

14) Emboldened, the Republican House protests and says that there had never been an agreement and that they were not being consulted. The Democrats spin this as McCain destructively blowing up the compromise by his arrival.

15) Paulson never intervenes to set the record straight that he had summoned McCain and there was no agreement before McCain arrived. This was sabotage act number 2.

16) President Bush, meanwhile, had summoned Obama to the White House along with McCain and Congressional leaders. The meeting breaks up in discord with no pubic announcment.

17) We have now heard reports as to how Obama destroyed the meeting with his behavior, and that Paulson, again wanting to appear not to look weak, begged everyone to keep silent on the actual events, appealing to the good of the country to cover his posterior, again with Bush loyally backing him up.

18) McCain and Bush agree and keep silent, for the good of the country. The Democrats, on the other hand, immediately start to lie and publicly blamed McCain for blowing up the meeting and also claimed that the House Republicans had sprung a surprise with their alternative proposals - both clear lies as well.

19) Again, Paulson cowardly keeps silent and does not set the record straight, leaving McCain holding the bag and enabling Obama to escape scot-free

20) This was the 3rd and most serious sabotage of McCain.

21) This also exposed Paulson’s acquiescence to the Democratic agenda. (History will have to determine whether Paulson’s behavior rose to the level of complicity with).

22) That is, throughout the week, Paulson was willing to allow the Democrats do their mischief to the bill, rather than draw a line in the sand. He also was not open much to Republican alternatives and allowed them to become the scapegoats for possible failure. At a minimum, this was cravenness – he was so desperate to get his power that he didn’t dare cross the Democratic leadership.

23) Friday passed without meltdown, as Paulson extends the deadline again, weakening his credibility to zero among Congress.

24) At the end of the weekend, with McCain engaged and Obama phoning it in, a new bill, largely still along Democratic lines, emerges.

24a) Obama gets to crow unchallenged about his being responsible for the main components while the onus being on Republicans to go along with this bill and having to come up with an undefined number of votes in support.

24b) McCain is given no credit for his efforts to date and instead is left holding the bag, expected to get the Republicans to go along with the new bill that Obama has fashioned.

25) Paulson still says nothing except that he wanted the bill to pass, thereby allowing the Democratic and media interpretations to dominate.

26) Next, we have Monday’s drama. While the wreckage is still being sorted out, we see that Paulson did not interfere with Pelosi (almost certainly acting in concert with the Obama campaign) partisan maneuverings, demanding “bipartisal action” while unchallenged the Democrats to, without precedent, define bipartisan action as requiring majorities of both parties.

27) Paulson stands by while that, as others have observed, Pelosi was able to let vulnerable Democrats vote no while vulnerable Republicans were expected to vote yes. When this maneuver failed and Pelosi did not come up with the votes, the Republicans as the minority party were assigned the blame for the bill’s failure.

28) McCain, of course, is demeaned for not having gotten the House Republicans on board, while Obama just floats over everything.

29) As others at RedState and elsewhere have documented, Pelosi’s actions either represented incompetence in execution or, more likely in my judgment on the basis of her partisan attacks on the House floor and her refusal to employ the Majority Whip or to require loyalty from her committee people and allies, a deliberate attempt to send the bill down to defeat.

30) The stock market has a serious hiccup in response, but the world does not come to an end. The press tries to play drama with the numeric point drop, but the public still sees that the country is still running.

31) And now, Paulson’s only public response is to say that he will push the bill through again. He, with Bush loyally following, keep pushing their bankrupt fear-mongering that this time really the world will come to an end if Congress doesn’t pass a bill soon. Armageddon continues to be delayed, and each delay raises the level of skepticism.

32) Paulson’s next step is to rely on stock market carnage (and associated media sensationalism) to put the screws to the Republican to pass some revised bill. And Bush is continuing to preach doom and gloom.

33) The more benevolent interpretation of Paulson is that he hopes to get a revote with minor tweaking, with the House Republican going along because there’s too much pressure put on them –that somehow they will stop listening to their constituents and cry uncle “see the light”.

34) The less benevolent interpretation is that the Monday vote was a sneaky effort to create a situation in which Paulson, with the backing of Bush (who still remains convinced of the need for ANY bill), and the Democratic leadership are positioned to end the necessity for bipartisanship, having molded public perception that the Democrats are the good guys acting in the national interest while the Republicans are obstructionists and bomb throwers.

35) In this scenario, Paulson will cheerlead for a bill crafted to the Democratic wish-list to get this Trojan Horse through the city gates, again so that Paulson comes looking good in getting his bill and can save us all – and Obama looks good because he can say that he successfully enabled the bill to meet his stated requirements that are being met, while McCain and the House Republicans are consigned to the dustbin.

This pattern of behavior is why calls are afoot to dump Paulson and get a new leader on board who has the credibility to recraft a proper bill.

(cross-posted at And Rightly So!)

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Dude...

BigGator5 Tuesday, September 30th at 12:08PM EDT (link)

Dude, Wolf would disagree.

Also, it’s Henry Paulson!

Why is everyone spelling his name wrong?

I found the one misspelling in Leon's piece and made that my template

civil_truth Tuesday, September 30th at 12:13PM EDT (link)

I’ve corrected the spelling now. And I did reference Leon’s post in the first paragraph - so I’m aware that Leon does not appear to agree.

I See

BigGator5 Tuesday, September 30th at 12:25PM EDT (link)

Well it wasn’t there when I started my comment, but it doesn’t matter.

What matters is that Paulson is, with all due respect, a moron. For Wolf to defend him is a crime unto itself.

 
 
 

Excellent analysis, civil

Vegas_Rick Tuesday, September 30th at 2:17PM EDT (link)

I agree 100%. I think Paulson has an agenda, even though I’m not sure what it is.

You don’t hear anything from him or W. on the alternative suggestions. Why?

Why wouldn’t we suspend mark-to-market?

Why wouldn’t we temporarily lower the corporate tax rates?

If he wants his plan so much, he should be explaining why other solutions won’t work. Ignoring other potential solutions only make me suspicious of his motives.

Personally, I’m pretty sure I can handle just about anything that would come from a “no bailout” situation. So, I could care less if it passes.

But, having said that, I totally understand those who whole heartedly support a bailout, because many will get hurt bad.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 

Ha! And I thought I was wearing a tinfoil hat!

c17wife Tuesday, September 30th at 3:58PM EDT (link)

I’m with you 100% civil.
Paulson certainly isn’t looking out for me or my interests.

Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence

 

Recommend....right on civil!

JadedByPolitics Tuesday, September 30th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

nt

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

 

This is retarded on so many levels

Leverkuhn Wednesday, October 1st at 6:46PM EDT (link)

I can not even begin to catalog the number of ways in which this diary screws with the truth. But I’ll pick four just at random:

First, it’s not like Hank Paulson is Chicken Little crying “the sky is falling.” It’s hard to see how he or anyone else could have overstated the severity of the situation. Indeed, if anything he has understated it.

Second, explain to me how Paulson has framed “this situation so as to allow the Democrats to require bipartisan cover for enacting this bill”? Again, he hasn’t framed the situation at all. The situation is what it is. Massive financial firms are folding, businesses can’t get essential credit, and as the recent auto sales numbers indicated, the credit crunch is rapidly making its way to the rest of the economy. In this context, any move to bail out Wall Street, however necessary, is going to provoke extreme reactions from Main Street. That’s why a bi-partisan solution is necessary. Nobody, but nobody, wants to own this bailout bill, even though they all want it to happen.

Third, Paulson is the Treasury secretary, not the Speaker of the House. He does not control the appropriations process, so it’s not his fault that this d**n thing is getting so larded up with fat it makes a nose guard for the Green Bay Packers look svelte. As a matter of fact, if Congress (including Republicans) had got their butts in gear earlier, this thing would have been considerably less expensive than it is now. The longer this process drags on the more expensive the final product will become.

Fourth, it hardly needs to be said that Paulson’s job is not to get McCain elected. The implicit suggestion of this diary that he should be concerned with that is absurd. I have supported McCain to the hilt during this election season, as everyone knows, but it is his job to take care of his own campaign. If he takes risks, or makes mistakes, it’s on him. I personally thought it was a mistake for him to suspend his campaign and go back to Washington to work on this bailout deal. It was a no-win situation for him, and in the end it didn’t help get a deal through Congress. But it was his call, and the result is on him. That’s the way it works in the real world.

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

 

One other point ...

Leverkuhn Wednesday, October 1st at 6:51PM EDT (link)

… According to everyone involved in this negotiation process, Hank Paulson has worked himself to exhaustion on this bailout deal. There’s nothing in this for him. He’s a lame duck who’s gone in a few months anyway. He’s undertaken a thankless job, and endured some pretty humiliating crap to find some kind of solution for all this. If you can’t pay the man any respect, you really should shut the heck up.

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

No offense, but Paulson's failure to address questions and alternatives

JSobieski Wednesday, October 1st at 7:15PM EDT (link)

is the primary reason why this process is so painful.

The roleout of the Paulson plan by the White House is a tutorial on how NOT to treat the public when you want public support.

My apologies for not jumping at the chance to support an unprecedented bill based solely on Paulson’s say so when he has failed to publicly address proposed alternatives like the insurance framework in lieu of asset purchases.

Yes, I am just a jerk for wanting Paulson to actually take 5 minutes to explain the rationale.

Simply saying there are no other alternatives or that there is no time for other alternatives is not satisfying.

The ongoing failure to address the alternatives is why this process has been so painful, heated, and controversial.

Yes, this process feels like signing up for a mortgage that I can’t afford.


You remind me of all the Global Warming alarmists with this comment...

Raven Wednesday, October 1st at 9:06PM EDT (link)

Massive financial firms are folding,

Yes, Massive financial firms that have been cooking the books in one way or another for years. Businesses that made poor decisions or took bad risks. It’s a perfect example of the free market working. Let these companies die.

businesses can’t get essential credit

Oh? Like which ones? I have heard this scream for 2 weeks now. Where is the credit freeze?
It’s true that people (and businesses) with poor credit can’t get any loans, but isn’t that the way we Want it?

Hell, even CNN, advocate for Conservatives and Republicans that it is, doesn’t want the bailout and don’t see the credit freeze.

and as the recent auto sales numbers indicated, the credit crunch is rapidly making its way to the rest of the economy.

We’re supposed to be worried because a handful of businesses that have required a new bailout every 10 years since Toyota shipped its first car to the states needed yet Another bailout?
Yet again, bad businesses, poor decisions, the wrong risks. Let these businesses die.

Nobody, but nobody, wants to own this bailout bill,

The American people are not entirely stupid. They know they’ve been lied to for decades and that the government and Wall Street (both parties primarily involved in the bailout) have mismanaged their money as long as anyone can remember.
No one wants to own the bailout because they know it’ll piss us off. The closest comparisons I can find are the immigration bill just last year and the PA legislative pay raise the year before that.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

So I suppose you don't think it matters ...

Leverkuhn Thursday, October 2nd at 1:06AM EDT (link)

… that firms like Goldman Sachs, Wachovia, AIG, Countrywide, and Washington Mutual (to name just a few) have all had to either close, sell out, or receive a massive government bailout? Do you even have any conception how much a company like AIG is worth? Over $1 trillion. That’s almost the entire gross domestic product of Spain. So whether you want to admit it or not, we do have a BIG problem. You might not think that Paulson’s plan is the right way to go about fixing things, but don’t pretend the situation isn’t deadly serious.

As for which companies are experiencing a credit crunch, that’s kind of like asking me to prove to you that the Orioles suck. If I say, “They’ve only won 68 games” you’ll probably say, “Well, that’s better than Seattle.” Yes, but they still suck.

But if you really need proof that there is a credit crisis, try this, and this, and this. And while I’m busy proving the patently obvious, try this on for size: Tim Tebow is the luckiest b**tard in Florida. Here’s the proof. Call me if you need confirmation that Germany is in Europe, North Korea is hungry, and Clay Aiken is gay.

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

I'm not saying you have to support the bill

Leverkuhn Thursday, October 2nd at 1:26AM EDT (link)

Heck, at first I didn’t want to support the bailout bill either. Then I decided that I really do like having banks, and that this trend we’re seeing of major banks closing shop at the same time is a real problem.

If you don’t think Paulson’s plan is the answer, I understand that. I can understand why anyone would be wary of a $700 billion bailout of some very greedy people who don’t deserve it. But to write that Hank Paulson is to blame for John McCain’s political misfortune is unfair, incorrect, and pig-headed. The financial crisis is what has hurt McCain. Paulson did not cause it, and he is not responsible for it. The bailout is purely a secondary factor.

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

Paulson sure as h*** IS responsible for it!

stang Thursday, October 2nd at 2:13AM EDT (link)

Did he cause the problem? No. But HIS PLAN is the ONLY plan being considered. So HE IS RESPONSIBLE for this piece of crap bill they are trying to stampede us into.

He has offered exactly one, count’em, one plan. Frankly, his lack of imagination and willingness to scare the crap out of the nation without so much as a word of explanation or justification of HIS plan (as ’ski pointed out above) and to then allow the same corrupt people be in charge of fixing(supposedly) the problem they created without a single solitary soul being held to account for this mess, is the epitome of irresponsibility.

McCain has hurt himself because he chose bipartisanship over conservative principles. And once again, he is getting screwed by the Democrats and so are the American people!

“History shows that great economic and social forces flow like a tide over communities only half conscious of that which is befalling them. Wise statesmen foresee what time is thus bringing, and try to shape institutions and mold men’s thoughts and purposes in accordance with the change that is silently coming on. The unwise are those who bring nothing constructive to the process, and who greatly imperil the future of mankind by leaving great questions to be fought out between ignorant change on one hand and ignorant opposition to change on the other.”

John Stuart Mill

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

 
 
 
 
 
 

cv, I have re-read this piece, and recommend

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 2:15AM EDT (link)

I don’t like the title, as I think the best point made is that Paulson should resign or be fired. I think he is an honorable man and has honorable motives, but his strategy on substance is of a former ceo tunnel vision. Hey pals, what must you have to loan $$$? Oh, you want govertment bailout? OK

McCain is resposnible for his campaign and I think he will win the election in no small part due to being on the right side of trying to prevent this crisis in 2006.

But CV, your analysis is simply brilliant and I can’t but praise it.

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Dude ...the Tebow blog is the funniest thing I've seen today...LOL

$peciallist Thursday, October 2nd at 2:29AM EDT (link)

thanks…

I don't like the title or the circular firing squad

pilgrim Thursday, October 2nd at 3:28AM EDT (link)

For one thing Pres. Bush is not, what, chopped liver? The US Treasury Secretary works at the pleasure of the President, and this plan did not appear without President Bush being engaged, involved, and in charge. So really the premise of your diary is that President Bush threw the election to Barack Obama.

I also think that we should be exposing more and more the Democrats who played a role in beating up the regulators who were concerned with what was going on over at Fannie Mae. This is a bigger mess than the Enron and Worldcom mess a few years ago except now there are not any reporters digging deep to expose the Fannie Mae execs. Reporters are spending more time and money in Alaska desperately trying to find some dirt on Gov. Palin than they are in finding dirtbags in Fannie Mae.

It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge

Certainly sounds terrible in your links

Raven Thursday, October 2nd at 7:44AM EDT (link)

Local banks are tightening lending standards, asking for more money up front and quicker payback timelines, and are only willing to finance smaller portions of projects

But I fail to see the problem with no more free money.
No more “No money down”
No more “No payments for 4 years”
No more “100% loans”
No more getting a loan if you’re a bad risk.

The reverse of all of the above is why we have all these huge firms going under.

So I can’t get a loan for a jacuzzi (well, I can, now that I have money for a downpayment, I just learned) and my friend who has launched 5 failed businesses can’t get money to start a new one so he has to go get a real job, a job that actually IS out there, btw.

umm…
Waaa?

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

The problem is...

Shawn Gillogly Thursday, October 2nd at 8:16AM EDT (link)

We all know that economics baffles the Bush family. Always has, always will. So anyone starting to speak economics in their presence instantly puts them in “nod and smile” mode.

So asking for the current economics-challenged Pres to be engaged in a discussion on monetary policy which demands engaging the last THIRTY YEARS of monetary policy is like asking a High School football coach to go toe-to-toe with Bill Bellichek. Sure, he ‘might’ get it. But in all likelihood, he’s swamped.

The current Treasury Sec. is asking for authority the likes of which no public official was ever MEANT to have in the US. If passed, it should rightly be handed over to the Supreme Court to be struck down on the spot. It violates division of powers on several levels. It crushes the free market, and it does not solve the core problem with the economy, that being the debt-cycle which has inflated prices out of the means of the ordinary family without stupendous borrowing.

Indeed, instead this plan exasperates the problem by adding a trillion more to the national debt…increasingly being held by nations that hate us (like China). These bills ‘will’ come do someday. We can’t keep throwing debt upon debt. Sooner or later the pump has to be able to run itself.

Shawn

“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager

43 understand economics, he is just wrong on this

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 11:25AM EDT (link)

He foresaw the need for the tax rate cuts in 2001 and he tried 20 times to get the law changed to rein in Fannie before 2007.

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Yeah right, and I suppose

Leverkuhn Thursday, October 2nd at 11:32AM EDT (link)

… that if you were in his position, and you had literally days to come up with a plan to save the economy from the worst financial crises in the last generation, you’d be able to come up with three or four different plans? Give me a break! And if there was a better idea out there, Congress could have come up with it by now.

As for scaring the crap out of the American people, well, they should be scared. The truth is scary enough. Moreover, it is the American people’s responsibility to hold Congress and the powers that be responsible for what has happened, not Paulson’s.

“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”

- Leverkuhn

" that if you were in his position, and you had literally days to come up with a plan to save the economy from the worst financial crises in the last generation"

stang Thursday, October 2nd at 12:34PM EDT (link)

If Paulson “had literally days to come up with a plan” then wouldn’t it be reasonble wonder where his head has been in the preceding months? This didn’t just become a problem yesterday!

Your statement is just further evidence of his malignant neglect or his political myopia or his incompetence or all three!

Look LK, The problem I have with this whole damn mess is that NO ONE, in government is willing to stand up and be held accountable for their actions or their proposed solution(singular). They have created an atmosphere of panic that has precluded any rational examination of the consequences of Paulson’s plan or how it came to be that we even needed it in the first place. And that includes Henry Paulson.

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Personal Responsibility is the key here

SirGladiator Thursday, October 2nd at 2:18PM EDT (link)

Yes, Paulson was terribly wrong, and I agree that he deserves plenty of criticism for it, but if McCain loses the election it won’t be because of Paulson, it will be because he embraced Paulson instead of opposing him. He had the opportunity to go to Washington and side with Newt and the House Republicans, who wanted a Free Market bill that didn’t simply give away over 800 billion dollars. If he had stood up to Paulson and his socialism, then the folks over at daily kos and other such websites might’ve been writing ‘History may record that Hank Paulson threw the election to John McCain’. Dick Morris pointed out at the time how easy it would be for McCain to turn this terrible bill to his advantage by campaigning for the Republican alternative. Instead of doing that, he embraced socialism with both hands, and reaped the rewards in the polls.

The bottom line is that Paulson was terribly wrong, but in his wrongness came the opportunity for McCain to be right. The blame for his choosing not to be lies with him, and him alone. It’s a shame that Sarah is the VP and not the Presidential candidate, I don’t think theres any question that she would’ve embraced the Republican Alternative to this monstrosity if it had been up to her.

You would think given the importance of the issue that Paulson

JSobieski Thursday, October 2nd at 2:37PM EDT (link)

would have at least addressed the alternatives.

What has Paulson said about Cantor’s insurance alternative?

Nothing that I have heard or read.

If this is so important (I believe the crisis is but this particular plan is not), then Paulson should have been explaining, addressing, re-explaining, re-addressing, etc.

Instead, he presumed everybody would just be like Paulson likes it, so we should just vote for it.

Why doesn’t Paulson try that approach for things like tax cuts?


gamecock

Shawn Gillogly Thursday, October 2nd at 3:15PM EDT (link)

But reigning in FF/FM only would delay the problem. The core of the issue was the disastrous monetary policies that have led to this.

The core issue, which is NOT going to be addressed by the bailout plan, is that Americans are being forced, by the current debt-driven policies, to live beyond their means. Artificially inflated prices are forcing excessive debt levels which are constantly pushing ordinary families to the edge of financial ruin.

At the end of the day the root cause of this issue is our monetary policy, which is forcing debt levels on the ordinary American that they cannot maintain any longer.

“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager

But, but, but.....

Herodotus Thursday, October 2nd at 3:38PM EDT (link)

Tighter lending requirements will hurt identity thieves. Just think how hard it would be for identify thieves if potential creditors actually did some verifying. The job losses in the Russian mafia alone would have a seriously impact upon the global unemployment rate. :)

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and the FED not Presidents, control monetary policy

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 5:30PM EDT (link)

and Greenspan’s easy money after 911 for too long monetary policy did play a role, but the main reason for the crisis was the Fannie subprime mtgs.

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now we all know that monetary and fiscal policy baffles

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 5:31PM EDT (link)

you!

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43 has decided that Iraq is his legacy

JSobieski Thursday, October 2nd at 5:32PM EDT (link)

and that everything else is in play.

People saying Paulson should be fired are really saying Bush screwed this up big time!!!!

Which is true.

If Bush had included the House Republicans in some discussions, addressed their concerns, etc. the political mess could have been avoided.

Top down “do this or everyone dies” is no way to run anything. It doesn’t educate anyone. It doesn’t persuade anyone.

Worst roll-out of a plan EVER.

The Bush PR machine is certifiably incompetent.


amen - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 6:48PM EDT (link)

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amen - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 6:49PM EDT (link)

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What turned this from bad to a disaster?

JSobieski Thursday, October 2nd at 8:15PM EDT (link)

Whether Paulson has an agenda or not, he has done more for the Obama campaign than anyone. All we need now is for President Bush to say that he has 100% confidence in Paulson-ie and call it a day.

What turned this from being bad into a disaster?

(1) The fact that President Bush didn’t make Paulson publicly address/consider alternatives or engage Congressional Republicans

(2) The fact that many conservative pundits, bloggers,etc treated Paulson as God and essentially said “Paulson said we do this or we die” and acted accordingly.

(3) McCain has no real interest in capitalism–he doesn’t understand it and he doesn’t have strong inclinations about it.

I still think McCain will win in the end, because Obama is incompetent. If this was an election against a Bill Clinton clone, it would be a LANDSLIDE.


I'd like to respond

Mark Reiboldt Thursday, October 2nd at 8:39PM EDT (link)

to the claim that businesses are having trouble getting credit, because this is starting to become apparent throughout the markets. Just like at the spreads in the credit markets (i.e., 3 yr, 10 yr yields, etc). Now, there’s typically a lag in between the time when the credit spreads trickle down to the individual lending markets, but companies are already starting to have trouble finding credit. In case you don’t realize this, most small businesses finance their payroll with credit to meet the billing cycle, and much of these standard loans that small businesses have been literally living off of for so long are fading away, thus taking income and even employment away from employees. There is direct correlation there and trust me, it will hit and it will hit hard.

I’d like to respond to the original post, too, because I think there are some good points, but I also agree with the poster saying there are a lot of assumptions and stretches in the analysis. But the biggest problem is in the title, which insinuates that Paulson’s role is in some way political. Everyone has to keep in mind that Paulson is a monetary policymaker … not a fiscal policymaker and he certainly isn’t an elected official or creature of politics. That doesn’t mean his job is void of politics at times, but his job to drive monetary policy cannot be influenced by the presidential campaigns or candidates. Paulson’s goal is to stabilize the financial markets and that’s what his plan focused. Was the plan perfect? No; indeed, it probably wasn’t even ideal, but the fact remaains that the financial markets had to be rescued and that’s what he’s working towards. All of the other points, whether assumption or fact, are really just Monday morning quarterbacking, because from this side of things and from the armchair, it’s easy to say Paulson should have done “X” or did “Y” when “I” would have done something else, blah, blah, blah.

This may be a surprise to many, but managing the strongest financial markets in the world is a little more difficult than one might think. The monetary policymakers worked with the information they had to solve the situation at hand. Moreover, people like Bernanke have worked to apply the principles that drive long-term economic stability, so that once we move past this short term systemic risk, we can focus on sustainable solutions that rebuild the economy and make sure this situation doesn’t come back to bite us.

So, while I’d definitely agree the actions from the Administration haven’t been perfect (indeed, read my diary for more articles on this), I think they’ve been fairly effective considering what they’ve had to work with. Could it have been better? Sure, but all we can do from the armchair is make could’ve, would’ve, should’ve assumptions.

good points - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, October 2nd at 11:45PM EDT (link)

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You, like Paulson, repeatedly fail to actually address

JSobieski Friday, October 3rd at 8:38AM EDT (link)

the concerns raised by the people you are trying to persuade.

Me: Paulson’s efforts at explaining the crisis, educating the public, and addressing criticisms and alternative approaches has been negligent

You: You don’t have to support the plan, but I like banks. Paulson is trying hard.

Me: Maybe so, but his efforts at explaining, educating, persuading, and addressing have been PATHETIC.

This is a Republic. When the Treasury Secretary proposes the biggest line item in the budget, he needs to educate the public, address criticism, and provide feedback to what other people are viable alternative approaches.

“Do this or we die” is not effective leadership.

I suspect you will continue to refrain from addressing this critical point just as Paulson has failed to address in any meaningful way, the alternative approaches that others had proposed.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

If Obama wins it will be a pyrrhic victory.

Steph C Friday, October 3rd at 2:29PM EDT (link)

nt

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Yes, I it will be

izoneguy Friday, October 3rd at 2:43PM EDT (link)

Yes it will be a pyrrhic victory. I am afraid that no one is going to “win” anything.
Many, many, many of my independent business friends will stage revolts. Many will shutter their business’s and go dark for 4 years. I plan to do the same. Fire employees, sell assets (while you still can) go to a cash basis and take no paychecks. No paychecks = no taxes. While we will still have to pay property taxes I am waiting for local governments to get in on the fun and jack, jack, jack it up. Also, no new cars, toys, etc…..
I did this during Clinton - took the minimum amount of money I needed to pay the mortgage and for food. Get ready my friends.
Gas WILL be $12 per gallon (if you can get it) - All the quote - unquote middle class will fall of the cliff. Michigan, California will be bankrupt. This will be the biggest enema that America has ever had.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

it's time to move on

CountryFirst0_8 Friday, October 3rd at 2:46PM EDT (link)

civil truth, it is time to acknowledge the lack of economic savvy that McCain has shown throughout. Let’s thank God that we are going to finally have a smart true patriot in the White House in 2009!

 
 
 

Paulson didn't throw the race to Obama he handed it to him on a silver platter.

Rob33704 Friday, October 3rd at 2:56PM EDT (link)

The question is, “why?”

Paulson is a former member of the International Monetary Fund Board of Governors.. The IMF was founded by members of the British Fabian.

Members of that society established both the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund at the Bretton Woods Conference.

The socialist philosophy of the original Fabians has not been
adopted by the fascio-corporatists who control the IMF and world bank.

What has been adopted is the Fabian’s plan to take money from the industrialized nations and send it to the third world nations.

The difference is, the fascio-corporatists only want to lend money.

For instance, why lend money on a million invidual cars in the U.S. when you can float a loan to “lower Slobovia” and get a heck of a lot bigger commission all at once plus the interest on the loan.

Can you say, “golden parachute?”

What the US is not about...

CountryFirst0_8 Friday, October 3rd at 3:46PM EDT (link)

izoneguy - The US is not about people like you, that have put our beloved country at risk with your selfishness and stupidity. Free markets DO NOT mean “each one for himself”. It is about working as a group with the best and leaders leading the way and creating new businesses and jobs. The government intervention MUST be minimal and if it were not for the bone head idea of going after Sadam without most of our allies instead of focusing in Afganistan, we’d be in a different debt situation. Bush lost his Republican principles and built up the largest debt in history and, unfortunately, the good old McCain has very little to show for at this time. We certainly do not need people like you that should instead move to a different country (why don’t you move to Venezuela..I’ve heard there are great bus opportunities for selfish dictatorial types like you-

What the US is not about...

CountryFirst0_8 Friday, October 3rd at 3:48PM EDT (link)

izoneguy - The US is not about people like you, that have put our beloved country at risk with your selfishness and stupidity. Free markets DO NOT mean “each one for himself”. It is about working as a group with the best and leaders leading the way and creating new businesses and jobs. The government intervention MUST be minimal and if it were not for the bone head idea of going after Sadam without most of our allies instead of focusing in Afganistan, we’d be in a different debt situation. Bush lost his Republican principles and built up the largest debt in history and, unfortunately, the good old McCain has very little to show for at this time. We certainly do not need people like you that should instead move to a different country (why don’t you move to Venezuela..I’ve heard there are great bus opportunities for selfish dictatorial types like you-

 
 
 

President Bush, not Paulson threw election to Obama

Augustus Saturday, October 4th at 8:56AM EDT (link)

Don’t blame Paulson. He only became Secretary of Treasury less than 2 years ago. The buck stops with President Bush and every GOP member of Congress who betrayed conservative principles from 2000-2006 by expanding the federal government, instead of shrinking it. Had President Bush, aided and abetted by the RINOs in Congress, not passed irresponsible legislation such as the Medicare Prescription Act, No Child Left Behind Act, etc., then Bush and Paulson would have had some credibility coming to Congress asking for a $700 Billion bailout (which really isn’t a bailout if Treasury sets this up right).

 

First you put out the fire

David123 Saturday, October 4th at 12:27PM EDT (link)

Then you look for the arsonist(s).

Seems to me that Raines, Franks, Obama, and Dodd were playing with matches and gasoline awful close to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

David123

 

Obama should be thanking Paulsen for the Win!

Rod_Patrick Sunday, October 5th at 3:32AM EDT (link)

Paulsen is a better strategist than Axelrod.

In addition, Paulsen has just transformed the entire economy into Chicago-style Affirmative Action.

Go! Obama Go! Your job is to destroy America, right?

Enough of this thing blaming the Republicans. BLAME THE DEMS!!!!! <nt>

Rod_Patrick Sunday, October 5th at 3:36AM EDT (link)

I agree 100%. This is the summary of this article + comments!!!!! <nt>

Rod_Patrick Sunday, October 5th at 3:38AM EDT (link)
 
 

If McCain was friends with Ayers......

filosypher Sunday, October 5th at 4:18AM EDT (link)

No time in my knowledge (limited lol) do I ever remember a President that was a friend, knew eachother, shook hands, signed paperwork with a known terrorist. Just look at last time George Bush was getting accused of preferential treatment as a pilot, if McCain was friends with Ayers, this race would be over. It is going to take alot to get the networks talking about it, Sarah started it…….lets finish it before our country is handed hook(House)line(Senate) and sinker (President) to the democrats that will tax us to death. I just re registered and I am now trying to spread the word to wake up, wake up people our country is at stake, like John McCain says, stand with him, stand up, stand up, lets fight together to make sure this country stays safe.

 

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