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Dangerous Communist Fantasies and Their Common Manifestations

Earlier today I walked past a couple of signs. The first said “Capitalism We Have A Problem” and the second “Make Love Not Capitalism” and thought how typical this was of  anti-capitalist sentiment. The message is clear: capitalism is bad, evil, uncool, etc. communism/socialism is cool. It’s the romantic unexplored, rebellious, compassionate road not taken (never mind that it has been taken over and over and never with good results) but despite the hipness of being left wing in NYC I’ve never met a single person who could explain to me HOW communism would make anything better.

I once asked a couple representatives of the “Communist Revolutionary Party” how their system would play out on a day to day basis, for instance, could I still be a clown? After a couple attempts to dodge the question the communist with neatly trimmed hair and a shirt and tie told me that, no. the government would dictate what I did for a living (apparently he didn’t consider this slavery) & the scary skinny, apparently unbathed, t- shirt wearing communist with unnaturally black hair that badly needed cutting as well as combing launched into a diatribe about how “Instead of worrying about whether (I could) be a clown, (I) should be worrying about workers in sweatshops in China town cuz that’s a **** of a lot more important” never mind that the practices of the China town sweatshops are likely already illegal, this- in a nutshell- is the most common  ”argument” given for destroying the “capitalist system” : There are people in need. Some people are rich while others are poor. This is wrong and…it logically follows that any wants/needs/desires beyond mere survival are frivolous and something we’re all obligated  to sacrifice to the ”greater good” of feeding and clothing those who are probably in this country illegally in the first place.

I’ve noticed that card carrying communists like to talk about equality and how capitalism is the root of all evil that holds us back from a better world but they don’t generally want to talk about how this better world would be acheived. They’ll happily suggest books. Maybe that’s because it’s easier than saying “first we need to seize the wealth of all the rich people – and kill them if they resist” but actually I think, quite possibly they just haven’t really thought about it.

Outright communism paints a revolting picture: toil and drudgery undertaken for the mere sake of surviving or for , as Che Guevara puts it “a new society in which individuals would have different characteristics: The society of communist human beings.” This bizarre notion that communism could somehow create a super enlightened race would seem to to have little or no appeal for most Americans, but looking at “The Che Reader”, Guevara seems to acknowledge this natural aversion and addresses how to overcome it:

    ” To build communism, it is neccessary, simultaneously with the new material foundations, to build the new man and woman….. Society must be converted into a gigantic school.”

Chilling words, as I consider the many manifestation of this ”school” in our own country and particularly in my city: the “free economics” class I started to take at a school here in NY , the “anti war” rallies, the campaign against the PATRIOT Act that I was heavily involved with until I realized it’s actual agenda (which the woman who started it flat out admitted to me) factions of “the Green Party”, etc. all of which were used to promote communism. Then there are other institutions that don’t neccessarily promote communism,per se, but do lean in that direction: the MSM obviously, but also unions including- to my dismay- Actor’s Equity Association. Hollywood, public education,…the usual suspects.

The hard truth is it seems to be working - not 100% , of course, as America has too long a history of freedom and enterprise but more and more  Americans seem to be losing their instinctive aversion to socialism. 3 illusions that are fairly prevalent in my anecdotal experience:

#1.Thinking Socialism and a Free Market are Not Mutually Exclusive:

An April 11th Rasmussen survey found only 53% of Americans still believed capitalism is superior to socialism, 20% disagreed and 27% were not sure BUT here’s the weird part: in a slightly earlier survey fully 70% said they prefer a free market economy. This would suggest that at least 17% of the population think that “socialism” and “a free market economy” may not be mutually exclusive. But this doesn’t just show itself in surveys. I have friends who enthusiastically support Obamacare in general but who passionately agree with me that it’s wrong to have an individual mandate – but, of course, they want people to be guaranteed access to insurance no matter what their preexisting condition. One friend talked about “the criminally high price” of individual insurance but likes the community rating system that causes those high rates.

There’s a sort of consistency in that these friends don’t want to hurt the poor or middle class and individual mandates is the part of Obamacare that would raise expenses even on those making $19,000 a year (which you could barely live on in New York City even without health insurance) but they don’t seem to consider that without the mandate Obamacare falls apart. ( I expect Obama knew that during the primaries and simply lied) If insurance companies are forced to cover people no matter what – why not wait till you’re sick to buy insurance?

Too many folks just aren’t thinking things through. It’s like they think we can create some ideal, utopian society by grabbing piecemeal, the parts of communism that they like and somehow it won’t compromise our freedom or productivity. The hard truth is, you have to make trade offs in life, to decide between one course or another. Too many Americans want to have their cake and eat it too.

This actually ties in with the next illusion:

#2. Not Recognizing Communist Ideas as Communist in Nature

I’ve met Green Party members who talked about how we should have a planned economy as if it was a totally new concept, not connected to anything else in history and somehow ideologically neutral “it’s neither left, nor right, it’s forward”  (which, of course, sounds a lot like “progressive”) and still others who said the tax structure should be arranged so “everybody makes about $50,000 a year”. Aside from the moral question of whether this would be right- those who support it seem not to give the slightest thought to how it would actually be acheived. “Everybody” making at least $50,000 a year would ( I assume) mean every couple gets $100K. (An income that would’ve put them in the upper 20% of American households in 2007) How they would bring everyone up to that rather comfortable (in some areas, downright well off) standard of living while removing all incentive to work doesn’t concern them and they seem to miss the next logical step … forcing people to work at the point of a gun – just as guaranteeing insurance to the already sick means forcing healthy people to buy insurance they don’t need .

#3 The Maddening and Absurdly Inaccurate Notion that Cuba is Thriving Under Socialism

This topic really needs its own diary. Briefly, as I’m sure you all know, the left loves to promote the idea that Cubans love socialism (which I guess is considered interchangable with and the more pc term for communism) they do this generally by posting misleading statistics taken out of context.

One common claim: Cuba has virtually no homelessness. 85% of Cubans own their own homes and mortgage payments can’t exceed 10% of a household’s combined income. Let’s consider these claims in light of this information from “The Housing Dimension in Cuba’s Urban Crisis: Havana as a Case in Point”

“Even a superficial visitor would be impressed by the deterioration and outright destruction that this once proud and beautiful city has experienced since 1959. The visual aspect of the older part of Havana resembles in many places the destruction experienced by cities in Europe during World War II. The complete collapse “derrumbe” of buildings, or the partial derrumbe leaving only its external structure, is impressive. Rubble from those “derrumbes” often is left in place for long periods, obstructing the streets and sidewalks. No less impressive is the generalized state of disrepair in the form of lack of paint and peeling of the external structure and the outright partial derrumbes, with buildings that have gone without adequate maintenance for decades.”

Official statistics corroborate the visual perspective. According to 1997 statistics, metropolitan Havana had over 2,200,000 inhabitants living in 560,000 dwellings. Of these, half were ranked as defective or in bad condition, while 60,000 were beyond repair and should be demolished. There are 75,000 with “apuntalamientos” and over 7,800 are waiting to be “apuntaladas” to prevent their derrumbe. (San Lazaro) According to the same source, by 1996 there were 188 marginal neighborhoods, lacking the most essential services, comprising 23,000 dwellings and 76,000 residents. Another official report indicated the presence of 1,500 (ciudadelas-cuarterias), 1000 of which were ranked in bad condition. Due to the derrumbes, a total of 6,000 families needed shelter (albergue), while only 350 had received it; also 500 multidwelling buildings were in great risk of a derrumbe and 40 were considered to be “miracously” still standing.”

If this research is accurate, then that would mean many of the “85%” who own “their own home” actually own it jointly with other members of their family and that at least half are living in horrible conditions. This carries out over other statistics as well.

  It’s better to rent a house than own a hovel.

More to say about Cuba but it’s going to need to become it’s own post.

CG

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  • izoneguy

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  • DONTREADONME

    It seems those of us who actually were born before the fall of the Soviet Union actually know what communism and socialism truly is. I can not for the life me understand the shear stupidity of my urban counterparts in thinking that socialism or communism is a better form of society then capitalism. Ask them why this idea of communism would work in this country. Most I am sure would tell you that it is because the United States has the ingenuity and resources to support such a system. Ask even something about Obambicare, they will tell you the United States is the leader in medical procedures, cutting edge medicine and diagnostic technologies; therefore, in their mind we can support a single payer system.

    Whats my point? They are seeking to suck the capital dry to fund the socialist agenda, when the capital runs out and the Government has nowhere to quench its thirst for consumption and the system fails. We have many examples of this failure of the communist and socialist systems; however, the only way those systems (e.g. Great Britian and Canada) can sustain themselves is to count on the United States to come up with the cures and procedures and to lower the cost once the supply and demand curves bring the prices down. No USA free market health care, insurance and medical system, then no quality will exist in those countries currently suffering from the single payer system. Short up it, those single payer systems rely upon the United States consumer and corporations to come up with the cures and medical procedures and drive down the cost so they can acquire the same benefit at lower cost. That is why Americans pay out the yin-yang for medicine and medical procedures.

    As an example, I just have paid $25,000 cash for IVF treatments for my wife and I to have children. I paid 20,000k for the guarantee program which means they have promised me that without a live birth (in less than 2 years time) I will be refunded the money and because I paid with cash they are paying me back at 5% interest. Good luck having this procedure let alone the money back guarantee in foreign countries that have single payer systems. Not to mention socialist medicine countries have a very low success rate with IVF compared to the United States of America. BTW, the wife is currently pregnant with twins, lets hope that I will have two new conservatives to add to the world. Here’s praying that she will go to term. Oh, and thank God for our free market medical system.

  • DONTREADONME

    over three thoughts during the middle of typing a sentence.

    “…systems; however, the only way those systems (e.g. Great Britian and Canada)…”

    There should have been a transition in that compound sentence. Those systems connects to single payer and that should be isolated from the 1st clause that talks about failures of communism and socialism. Somedays I should just hire a stenographer.

  • clowngirl

    Reagan came to office when I was 5, he’s the first President I remember and I’ve started to realize how much that’s shaped my views. There are views you consider and develop and there are values you feel instinctively. I think part of why New York never really turned me liberal is that my first impressions came from Ronald Reagan.

    It never occured to me (at least early on) that Reagan’s values were ‘Republican” or “conservative” values- I just took them to be American. (haven’t entirely changed in that view, btw) America was a land of freedom and free enterprise. A great nation that was a force for good in the world and that staunchly opposed communism. Which was obviously inherently evil.

    As an adult I was actually kind of surprised to hear that a lot of that was part of “American Exceptionalism” which some people agreed with and some didn’t.
    There are times when I’ve been VERY upset with my government, but it’s never – never in my life, left me feeling like America was “just one of 200 countries”

    Kids who were first aware of Bill Clinton probably took a much different message with all the emphasis on entitlements and social programs, his foreign policy confusion, and his choice to disgrace his office.

    But even Clinton was light years better than who we have now. I shudder to think what imprint Obama is leaving on young kids today. It might not be all bad. He probably is an inspiration to minorities- but with his -for lack of a better word- hatred for what America stands for, constant creation of phony crisis.,.

    (shaking head) I don’t even want to think about it. Hopefully the kids will be more imprinted by the Republican congress and then President that (I pray) is coming.

  • clowngirl
  • penguin2

    Second, “the United states has the ingenuity and resources…” What is left out in their answer and their understanding is the variable called “human nature.” From the beginning of recorded history and before actually, the progress man made relates to his need to problem solve. Whether it was to keep warm, find shelter, or adequate food supplies. Inventions and solutions are the result of man needing to survive and take care of those basic needs.

    It has been shown over and over again, that when we are unchallenged, our motivation actually decreases. This relates to another aspect of human nature. Natural resentment occurs when one works and another doesn’t. To have the fruits of one’s labor handed over to someone else who has not earned it (and I am not talking about the desperate and needy here), that’s breeds discontent and an attitude “why bother?”

    So, if we are not challenged and motivated to strive for something, anything, man does not thrive. IMO, Socialist/Communist societies breed mediocrity not excellence.

    And again, congratulations to you and your wife. I believe we love babies here at RS. May God Bless you and give her a healthy and safe pregnancy, will keep you and her in my prayers.

  • Jack_Savage

    The day that someone who was a self-professsed Communist would openly work in the highest levels of government, or be a mentor to the President of the United States.

    I could never imagine how an ideology so thoroughly discredited and beaten could rear its head again.

  • izoneguy

    Hanoi Jane Fonda and the left declared victory when Saigon fell.

    If not for the intense anti-war movement in America the Vietnam war could have been won. Much like the way Iraq was playing out. Bush stood strong and won that war. It will still be up to the Iragi people but I think they can prevail if they fight hard and stand up to Iran.

    Obama’s Vietnam is now in Afghanistan and the left is pushing him in the direction of retreat & defeat.

    Let’s see how that communism is working out in Vietnam.

    The Failure of Communism in Vietnam

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1279637/posts

    It should be clear to any realistic observer of politics in Indochina that the Communist Party and the Socialist Republic have failed Vietnam and the Vietnamese people in a dramatic way.

    When Ho Chi Minh enticed the peasants to join his guerilla army he promised them a future in which the people would rule, where they would be free, living in uniform happiness in a communal paradise. What he delivered though was a nation ruled by the Party elite, with no freedoms, no civil rights and no personal liberty.

    Vietnam was robbed of its ancient heritage and forced to accept the culture of communism. Instead of a socialist paradise they have obtained only poverty, hunger and misery. These facts have become so clear and brutal that even many of the Communist Party’s most ardent supporters are admitting that they have failed.

    Looking at the world at large, and the many crimes of the Vietnamese Communist Party, all free people must condemn a government that allows such things to happen.

    There should be no place in the modern world for such tyranny, oppression and disregard for human dignity. If even the awakened members of the Communist Party can see their mistakes and voice their protests, surely the other free Vietnamese of the world must take the same step and join with the voice of the Great Nguyen Dynasty in calling for the end of dictatorship and the establishment of a new democratic government, based on Vietnamese traditions, that will assure the rights of its people and hold government officials accountable to those who elected them.

    “When we are not devoted to serve the People, we cannot have the right to ask for the favors from the nation.”
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Let this be a lesson to those who wish for hope & change in what is already the best country in the world. Why change that?

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    Here is a a complete smackdown of a Socialist (Phil Donohue) trying the same tired logic on Milton Friedman:

    see the rest of the post here: http://the41stvote.org/wp/2009/09/featured-15/

  • clowngirl
  • clowngirl
  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Here’s the entire Milton Friedman “Free to Choose” video series:

    http://miltonfriedman.blogspot.com/

    Save one episode, but I’m sure it’s on the net somewhere.

    I’ve always thought we should start a “great books” or “most influential books” thread here at Redstate.

    A few of mine (and this is just a snippet from what’s on bookshelves near me — many more are packed away in boxes):

    The Bible.

    Your American Yardstick, by Hamilton Abert Long

    Free to Choose, by Milton & Rose Friedman.

    The Law, by Frederic Bastiat

    One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    The Gulag Archipelago, by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand

    Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand

    We The Living, by Ayn Rand

    The Federalist Papers, by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay

    Common Sense, by Thomas Paine

    Paul Revere’s Ride, by David Hackett Fischer

    The Minutemen, by John R. Galvin (General, U.S. Army, Ret.)

    Basic American Govenment, by Clarence B. Carson

    The Conscience of a Conservative, by Barry Goldwater

    The Discovery of Freedom, by Rose Wilder Lane

    Capitalism and Freedom, by Milton Friedman

    Miracle at Philadelphia, by Catherine Drinker Bowen

    The Incredible Bread Machine, by Susan Love Brown, et al.

    The Richest Man in Babylon, by George S. Clason

    Ranger Handbook, United States Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, Georgia (my copy is dated May, 1972)

    That’s a start.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

  • Warrior

    a jackass

  • penguin2

    Utopian nonsense. It hasn’t changed, only the packaging and marketing. The incredible irony, is their total lack of awareness, that if our society was actually Socialist/Communist, they wouldn’t have the leisure time and energy to spend thinking so idealistically. They would have to put all of their physical and mental resources towards just surviving. Communism and Fascism/Socialism lends itself to having two classes in society. The elitist, rich and powerful and the poorer, lower working class. Capitalism has allowed for a middle class to develop and thrive. America has/had a thriving middle class. Obama and the left’s agenda will continue to bring down the middle class.

    Nice write-up about Communism, clowngirl. The hold the Socialists/Communists have taken in this country is shocking. And it is not about being “scared” of Communism, it is about having common sense and preferring to keep our country free of the misery that type of government brings.

  • clowngirl

    from what little I’ve heard the war was not fought to be won- due to choices made by politicians not due to any failing by our soldiers. I’ve also heard that reports of soldiers committing war crimes have been greatly exagerrated and probably – in many cases- simply made up. It’s a chapter of our history that we’d likely benefit from re-examining.

  • clowngirl

    When I looked at the breakdown of incomes to see just how absurd the “everybody should make about $50K a year” idea was, I saw that the bottom 20% of households make less than $19 thousand something and that, in most of those households, NOBODY WORKS.

    Now, I’m sure this includes the elderly who have retired and are collecting social security and (hopefully) living off their savings and certainly must include some people who have valid reasons for not working, but 20% seems a very high number – especially when you consider most of them are being supported by the state.

    I’ve seen enough people who are content to collect unemployment and wait months before even looking for a job to think it needs serious reform. It also seems to make folks pickier about what they do. I’ve seen friends get themselvres into dire straits because they won’t temporarily take a job that pays $20/hr.

    Another thing I’ve noticed: Correlation doesn’t always imply causation but:

    New York has much more generous unemployment benefits than some other parts of the country and, oftentimes people in customer service jobs here are indifferent or completely lousy employees. ( this isn’t limited to NY, I’ve always been struck by people in low paying jobs who don’t seem to make any effort – but it seems to be worse here)

    . At one clinic where I used to clown they had a terrible time staffing the front desk. There was one older gentleman who I used to chat with who was excellent. He’d retired from a very successful practice in psychology and was pursuing a second career as a singer while working at the clinic presumably not to run down his savings. But he was working more hours for them than he really wanted to because they had so much trouble finding anybody else. He told me they’d already been through 3-4 people who treated the job like it was beneath them. They’d mouth off to customers, have an attitude all the time, not bother showing up for work…

    Unemployment here is $1700 a month and, from what I hear, it can be stretched out for a very long time. That’s the equivalent of making $10.60 an hour after taxes and working 40 hour weeks without having to lift a finger. A friend of mine who’s a nurse tells me that there were employees at her hospital who – once they reached eligibility – would start acting up and TRYING to get themselves fired – just so they could collect unemployment.

  • clowngirl

    So far, I’ve watched part one “power of the market” the most powerful point – I thought – was how capitalism most benefits the workers – especially the poor. Too many people have forgotten that- or never realized it.

  • Warrior

    I also “fought” the Cold War. Did you know you can get an official gubmint certificate if you served during those years? (Who needs it, right?)

    Anyway, let me add a few to your list:

    Democracy in America by Alexis DeTocqueville

    The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich von Hayek

    The Vision of the Annointed by Thomas Sowell

    Radical Son by David Horowitz

    The Destructive Generation by David Horowitx and Peter Collier

    The Bluejackets Manual issued by the U.S. Navy

    Not with a Bang but a Whimper by Theodore Dalrymple

    Capitalism and Freedom by Milto Friedman

    The Scouting Manual issued by the Boy Scouts of America

    An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith

    Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell

    Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass by Theodore Dalrymple

    To name a few. If you read no other, read one of Theodore Dalrymple’s essays. Being a prison/slum physician in Britain, his observations describe exactly the liberal psuedointellectual progenitors of a crumbling civil infrastructure and how it plays out in the cold harsh reality of everyday life for those most vulnerable – you know, the folks liberals are always saying they care about most, as in “poor and minorities hit hardest.”

    What’s frightening is their similarity to the ideas of President Obeyme’s political mentors (Alinski, Ayers, etc) and the speed with which Obeyme’s minions (Pelosi, Reid, etc) are sending America hurdling toward this same neocommunist precipice…

  • DONTTREADONME

    becker is still here tonight, run for God’s sake RUN away. I don’t care who you are that’s funny.

    Just kidding y’all. :o ) Seriously though Run! again :)

  • clowngirl
  • nessa

    It is absolutely asinine to expect to cap wages so everyone makes a “good” living. I shouldn’t say “good” I should say fair. The people who espouse socialism always use fair, I learned by a very young age that fair is a goal to strive for but doesn’t often happen in the real world. The same goes for the leftists “level playing field” which is invariably tilted in favor of what ever demographic they are trying to buy off.

    I work because my boss pays me, I work hard because he pays me well. You can’t buy a Saturn and then complain because it doesn’t have the options of a Cadillac. I made 50,000/year a few years ago, I’m not going to lift a finger if I’m back at that level, that’s paying me just about enough to show up close to the time you want me, except for the days I don’t feel like showing up. I’ll also continue to breathe for that, but don’t expect much else, and I’m not going to elevate my respiration either. When I first earned 50G/year I busted my a**, 24 and 7, ask my ex-wives. I was on the way up and totally focused on doing the best job I could possibly do. Being responsible for other peoples lives will do that to you, I’m still the same way but somewhat beyond that price range, I’m still on the way up. Being good at your job will do that to you as well.

    Mankind wasn’t created for a utopia, even God discovered that, he gave us one in Eden, look how that turned out. Communism/Socialism have given us ample examples and quotes to properly portray its shortcomings, “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work” about sums it up.

    The entitlement class is already enamored of the socialist plan, they are at some level, consciously or subliminally, willing to live at the marginal limits that the government, or anyone other than themselves, is willing to provide. I would separate those who have fallen on hard times and need a hand up, temporary assistance to get back on their feet from the entitlement class who are, often, on the second, third or fourth generation raised to know nothing but living off the largess of the democrat/progressive social policies. If they are forced to get a job, no matter what the pay rate, they put in the same amount of effort I described above for my own reaction to a massive pay cut, except they didn’t get a pay cut, they got an increase, except the increase requires effort. They know they can make enough without working so why work, why expend the effort? Their ingenuity and initiative has already been given up, nothing can motivate them to work, much less work hard.

    The successful “communes” or socialistic societies, hunter-gatherers mostly, shared everything, food, shelter, those things necessary for survival. They also had a community mindset, those who could no longer help provide for the community or carry their share of the weight, would walk out into the night to perish rather than become a burden to their community. Our current entitlement class lacks that bit of common human decency, they are happy being a drain on society, in fact it has become their “right” to continue to be provided for.

    From what I’ve seen those who espouse socialism come in two types, stupid and greedy. Most of those in the stupid category are young and naive. Those in the greedy category are our progressive political class. They know damn well that the actual results of socialism’s classless society creates two classes and they are purposely working to put themselves in the upper class of those two options. After all if you’re going to redistribute wealth its much better to be one of those doing the distributing as opposed to one of those being redistributed.

  • clowngirl

    As DTOM pointed out it probably has something to do with them not being exposed to the cold war, but I also think – on a more basic level – it’s simply that they don’t make a lot of money. In the survey I cited those under 30 were pretty much evenly divided as to whether socialism or capitalism is better, those in their 30s strongly favored capitalism, and 40+ overwhelmingly so.

    I suspect a lot of those who think socialism is better haven’t gone that far in their careers and think the salaries of those above them are arbitrarily large. Oftentimes jobs are harder than they look and require skills that aren’t obvious. Those who are good make it look easy.

    For example, I remember when I first got a interested in caricature. there was a lady at Casa Bonita who did caricature and charged $10-$15 per picture. And each picture only seemed to take a few minutes. I imagined what she probably made an hour, I was jealous and outraged. After all, it was so EASY. I could do that! ( I’d always had a talent for/ gotten alot of reinforcement from visual art.)

    So I went up and asked her how I would get into that line of work. She said I could submit some drawings to her and write down how long that it took to draw them. I sat down with a magazine & started on my samples. I drew a couple of pictures that I was pretty happy with – but when I looked at my stop watch they’d taken about half an hour each. I figured I’d wheedle that down by the end of my drawing session and be able to present some drawings that I’d done in 10 minutes. (that wouldn’t be fast enough but would I figured it make convince her I was train-able) but when I tried to speed up the quality was shot.

    After several hours I had some halfway decent drawings that took between 20 and 25 minutes. I brought them in to her – knowing there was no chance of my being hired – basically just for the sake of following through and in the hope of getting a word of encouragement ( which I did get – she was very gracious and said I should stick with it) Needless to say, I know longer thought she was overpaid. :) (and she probably paid rent to be there and had been building a career her whole adult life – she was in her 40s)

    Now I do get paid for doing caricature. It was a back burner project for years- at first a casual hobby then (when I heard what successful caricature artists could earn) a somewhat serious one. I’d draw out of magazine or throw in some free caricature after a hospital visit to develop my speed, consistency, and confidence. Only this year did I start regularly making money at it.

    This is inside baseball, but at my first corportate gig, I glanced at my watch after drawing my first 10 portraits. I was stunned to see it’d only taken 45 minutes – and that was with me chatting with the kids and having a bit of time between each on. I felt like I’d suddenly run my personal 4 minute mile – because -to me _ it had seemed impossible to do consistently good pictures of wiggling kids in under 5 minutes. Now I can sometimes do 2 minutes but it took a heckuva lot of practice and this is a new skill that I’m still at something of the dues paying stage with. (but it has – in my perception – a higher ceiling than most of my other clown skills which is why I’ve bothered investing time in it – aside from artistic satisfaction of course – but I actually didn’t find caricature intrinsically interesting until after I’d worked at it awhile with an eye to more money and increased flexibility)

    anyway, my point is generally people get paid well for a reason – most of the time they’ve worked for it and that’s the part that the socialist leaning miss.

  • Achance

    we could all be greeters at WalMart or work at the video store. That’s the best argument against socialism I’ve ever found (With a hat tip to George Jones).

    I really don’t want to be equal. In fact, I want to be very unequal, and I’ve been willing to work very hard to be unequal. The socialists can have their s*(tbox hybrid, I want a high performance luxury car. The socialists can have their kayaks, I want a floating luxury condo that goes fast. And let’s don’t even talk about those prune faced women with bad hair and worse attitudes that the castrati have.

  • penguin2

    that very same thing. I guess the answer to that lies with the takeover by the MSM by leftists, and desensitizing of the American people to what it means to be an American.

    Just goes to show that every generation has to be educated anew to the “evil” of Communism. Perpetual vigilance. I hope it is not too late.

  • Jack_Savage

    1) What is Communism?
    2) Compare and contrast with Socialism.
    3) Does either ideology make a society more prosperous and free?

    It’ll earn them a five spot. I may offer that to all their friends as well.

  • nessa

    …but you have another possible reason that may well apply to some. Jealousy, wanting what other people have without having to invest the effort. Some never get out of the naive stage, Phil Donahue or Orca Winfrey, I don’t see them wanting to profit from socialism the same way as Pelosi, Reid, Obama or their ilk. Their just stupid, naive, whatever you want to call it, in this instance they are one and the same. The evil that those naive people have supported and abetted over the years couldn’t have happened without their willing, if misguided, support.

    Good luck with your career in Art, I enjoyed the parable about the caricature artist, nice way to present your point. I went to art school after High School, it was interesting but I eventually chose another career path although I’m getting back into another medium now, 30 some years later. Yes, that was a while back but we did have more than egg tempera to work with, so hold off on the “Did you loan Vincent your knife?” jokes. ;)

  • DONTTREADONME
  • clowngirl

    I mean it was the United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic wasn’t it? The Nazis were the National SOCIALIST Party. I’ve heard Cuba called socialist and communist. (Usually “socialist’ by people who were pro socialist, “communist” by those who weren’t) China is openly communist – but they seem to have a bit of a mixed economy now and they Chineses sound a bit freer than Cubans.

    So, it’s a bit fuzzy for me as well. I tend to regard “communism” as full blown totalitarian socialism whereas as “socialism” can be only partial.

  • clowngirl

    “Lost Rights” and “Freedom in Chains” by James Bovard.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Free to Choose, – Milton and Rose Freidman
    A Conflict of Visions – Tomas Sowell
    Liberal Fascism – Jonah Goldberg

  • redneck_hippie

    Been selectively working through National Review’s 100 best.

    Ran across a reference to Vietnam at War by Phillip Davidson , somewhere. Anybody familiar with it?

    Thought I could get a perspective vis a vis Viet Nam on what I foresee as Obama’s next disaster (the Afghanistan pullback).

  • Richard Mullins

    in the first year of Jimmy ” the stupid old man” Carter’s and only term. I’m never a socialist loving person and will do what it takes to defeat it.

  • nessa

    …both based on the failed ideas of Marx. The USSR was communist, having a government that worked off Marx’s plan, Europe is currently socialist, close enough for me to lump them in in their entirety, they may have elected governments, don’t obviously control all industry, jobs etc, but they are massively engaged in socialist wealth redistribution, healthcare, government provided necessities.

    Obviously this is the short short answer, and chock full of my opinions (imagine that!) but it’ll get you on the right track.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Like you say there are various degrees. But here is where the left will try to fool you. They will say, well you don’t like schools, roads, and the post office? those are all forms of socialism, whats wrong with that?

    But of course, those sort of things are not what people commonly call socialism. socialism is this: The nationalization of major industries, along with high progressive taxes and wealth redistribution.

    Communism was the dissolution of all private property and the ownership of the means of production residing only in the state. With a full command economy.

    It was really much more total than socialism.

  • clowngirl

    as I think is true of most Americans. This mentality that seems to treat phsycial survival, simply getting by – and making sure everybody else does too- as the ultimate goal of a society is simply apalling.

    It’s offensive to hear friends and even family dismissing the remarkable and probably unparrelleled acheivements of our country and acting as though we’re some hellishly impoverished, third world nation because not everyone has health insurance.

    “Even Cuba has universal healthcare” ARRRGH! yes, but AT WHAT COST?

    Very frustrating.

    I agree, Unfortunately we need to re-educate people- what I hadn’t realized until fairly recently – is how many people had lost the basic conviction that socialism and even outright communism are wrong.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Of course there was Marx and Engels in the nineteenth century, and levelers and the philosophers of the French Revolution before them.

    But the modern day left wing ideal, with it’s emphasis on progress, change, and the perfection of mankind emerged from the Pen of H G Wells in a 1920′s book called “Men Like Gods”.

    It had it all, a benevolent socialist government, brilliant scientist philosopher kings leading the way, and the elimination of all backward thinking like religion and individualism.

    And they have been trying to make their Utopian pipe dream come true ever since.

  • penguin2

    is available. I suspect it is, as H G Wells books would constantly be in reprints. Sounds interesting. I just wish they would keep their pipe dream to themselves instead of using it to weaken and possibly destroy a reasonably strong society. Although one would think if you had a strong society, this could not happen. But one cannot forget human nature:

    Man tends to be insidiously seduced by what looks easy, only to regret the siren call too late.

  • Ausonius

    should show you that a kind of socialism can be traced back to Plato’s Republic.

    Recall that Plato, an Athenian, as was his teacher Socrates, was highly skeptical of the “pure democracy” of Athens, which is why his perfect state resembles the slave-state of Sparta.

    If you are interested in how the Spartan slave-state finally fell – not to the attention-deficit syndromed democracy of Athens – but to the republic of Thebes under Epaminondas, see “The Soul of Battle” by Victor Davis Hanson.

    Democracies sometimes go awry: November 2008 for example.

  • clowngirl

    I’ve worked hard, but also been lucky and very blessed. This year has been the roughest other than my first year out of school – but also probably the most exciting. Actually it gives me another theory as to what may be motivating some of this openess to socialism.

    IT’S EASIER TO BE BROKE IF YOU HAVEN’T BEEN COMFORTABLE:
    Prior to getting involved with the election last year, I was really doing pretty well (clowning can be more lucrative than most people think) then, somewhat indulgently, I quit working for an agent who was getting increasingly problematic but who gave me quite a lot of work and I didn’t bother replacing it/even turned down work because I was busy following the election/volunteering my time to elect John McCain. Besides that, I’d been rather risky in betting on getting a lot of high paying corporate work – and therefore not being as available for the agents who gave me bread and butter private parties. That panned out…for awhile. but has hurt me some with the onset of a recession. (clowning is off course, a discretionary expenditure) and I got more and more picky about what kind of gigs I’d take.

    I don’t regret it. (usually) At any rate I made my choice and am going to play out the hand. Can’t bring myself to go backwards. So tommorow (as I have no booked work) I’m headed down to Central Park to draw portraits. Maybe facepaint a little to ensure steady business. It’s quite a bit of schlepping and not the money I make at other times but it’s contributing to my continued solvency, and it’s likely I’ll get parties out of it. Lately almost all the mom’s have been enthusiastically asking for my card. (wasn’t happening earlier in the year)

    But more than that- it prevents me from having to accept work I would find mind- numbingly dull and which isn’t likely to lead to anything better and I’ll gain valuable experience.

    So I have plenty of motivation. Been doing this all year. During the cold months I found an indoor place space (which has since gone out of business) then I was allowed to work in a small amusement park in Central Park (though this was limited somewhat by the rainiest summer in recent memory) and now I’m just plopping down by a playground in the park until I find another indoor space.

    BUT I have to say, it is harder to muster the motivation than before I got used to a more comfortable state of affairs. Ther’e's a part of me that feels like “I should be past this” but then I look around and see plenty of people who’ve suffered more in this recession than I have and thank God that I have the opportunities I do. And I haven’t been as frugal as I really should be because I got used to making more money and I really don’t like not being able to say- hire a coach that I’ve heard is good, or get new headshots now that I’ve trimmed down and changed my hair..

    So I think this is probably how a lot of upper middle class kids feel when they start paying their own bills. They have to do without a lot of stuff they’ve gotten used to and feel like it just isn’t right.

    Of course, in my case- all of this also serves as motivation to restore and exceed my prior income and it also pushed me out of my comfort zone on the caricature. I was procrastinating trying to make money at it until I realized I needed to make rent. :) Amazing how that knocks out insecurities…

  • clowngirl

    Never would’ve guessed a career military chap was also an art major. :)

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Glenn Beck played a portion of it today. I couldn’t find embed code for it, but here’s the link:

    http://www.pjtv.com/video/Louder_With_Crowder/AS_SEEN_ON_GLENN_BECK_Crowder_Does_Berkeley%3A_How_the_%231_Public_University_Produces_First-Rate_Idiots/2468/

    The chilling part is that these precious little darlings come from families that can afford tuition of $17,000 per semester to “educate” their precious little darlings at Berkeley.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

  • clowngirl

    Actually I do think public schools are a bit socialist – though not to nearly the degree of Obamacare.

  • clowngirl
  • clowngirl

    Planning to read it soon. Already ordered “Liberty and Tyranny” but also recently re-discovered Agatha Christie and so it’s sitting patiently on the bookshelf.

  • Xasteius

    Anthem, Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged – Ayn Rand
    The Gulag Archipelago – Solzhenitsyn

  • Warrior

    Agatha Christie’s great, but you MUST read “Liberal Fascism” immediately! It demonstrates how and why modern day liberalism is so dangerous.

    Also, it brings together the historical threads of intellectual preening and hubristic pedanticalness which lead to fascism. Goldberg’s analysis is meticulous and incisive.

  • Richard Mullins

    with the fact that socialists want us to give up we are as men, I’ll have to say I’m still guy(H/T to Brad Paisley for that). Art, I was sort thinking of that Tom T Hall song with “Faster Horses, Older Whiskey,Younger Women and more money”. I think need to get that down as an MP3.

  • nessa

    Its made in America and doesn’t sound like a soft breeze blowing through the trees when I twist the throttle. A buddy of mine has a ’47 knuckle head, that bike has been recycled so many times, from stock to a race bike, to a 60′s chopper, back to stock (restored), now an old school bobber. Its been on the road throughout its entire 60+ year history. Green? Harley’s were green before green was cool.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    I was referring to the fully formed modern ideal of the left.

  • Warrior

    Not trying to be the post police or anything, but coldwarrior already mentioned these two.

    But you are exactly right, they are great books. I read Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag” when it came out in ’75…

  • Achance

    George Jones, starting to have more of those senior moments.

  • Richard Mullins

    but you could make a case of some of George “No Show” Jones’ songs.

  • dwintnf

    Think and Grow Rich. I am not “rich” money wise yet but the book has some very good principles to strive for. The “Mastermind” principles being the first on my list. It is amazing what a group of 4 like-minded (business)people can do. It helps with the motivation issue that was discussed earlier in this thread.

    The book is in the public domain now so a pdf is just a click away.
    Here is one of many links:

    http://think-and-grow-rich-ebook.com