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Run like Reagan, eh? Well, perhaps if one chooses to repeat Reagan's most egregious mistake of his otherwise stellar Presidency - AMNESTY for illegal aliens.

If amnesty is what you want, then Eric Dondero is your man. I wonder what the true American voters of CD-14 will think about that.

"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Redhead Infidel, your comments were interesting.

Is there some documentation to which you could provide a link that supports your contention that Eric Dondero supports amnesty? I'm not doubting you at all, but I would like to read some documentation that supports your opinion.

I oppose rewarding millions of illegal aliens with legal status and a path to citizenship. I consider that to be amnesty.

"The defense of our nation begins with the defense of our borders." - Rep. Tom Tancredo

www.tancredo4prez.blogspot.com and www.teamtancredo.org

Tonight on The Front Line: Border Patrol Updates and Debate (audio)

Mexican Women Want Their Men Back

Kit on Libertarian Politics Live Tonight (audio)

Dondero is also a fan of Rep. Jeff Flake's, who is one of the strongest supporters of amnesty in the House. (You commented yourself on this thread, Raider)

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Thanks for providing the links to support your contention that Mr. Dondero supports amnesty.

During the conversation that is linked to in the first link, Eric Dondero stated that "Spanish is one of the closest language, if not the closest language on the planet to English". He also stated that "the English language is half Latin". I enjoyed hearing the comments of Scott, the Virginia guardsman during that discussion.

"The defense of our nation begins with the defense of our borders." - Rep. Tom Tancredo

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"I'm pro-Guest Worker program, but anti-illegal immigration.*

Also, I'm fluent in Spanish, and spend a great deal of my time in Mexico.

Also, I'm pro-Mexican immigration, but anti-Central American imigration [sic]."

*[Duh. That's because they're no longer ILLEGAL once you LEGALIZE them all! Funny how that neat little spin works.]

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Oh no! He speaks Spanish! Clearly he has... DIVIDED LOYALTIES.

Run like Reagan!

Because apparently he speaks 15 others as well. ;)

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

I meant 20...or maybe it's 40. (?)

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Even for the base sport our nations political discourse has become. If you want to use this establish that he can't do what he claims. Which is get by in the languages.

But then again I suppose actually reading in one is a bit much for some.
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I appended the impish wink at the end of my sentence to indicate humor. But I guess you missed that. I thought this reference was a mildly humorous, since some readers below were earlier asking legitimate questions concerning Dondero's linguistic claims. Dondero is the candidate and has the responsibility of proving his own claims. Not I, or anyone else here.

Come now...I hardly think my comment is "an attack" and "low even for the "base sport our politics has become" when you consider the accusations of treason that are blithely thrown around here. Try and get some perspective.

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Bro I have no problem with you supporting Paul. Your call your preference. What gets me is the length Paulists are going to promote their guy. It makes the libertarian movement look bad.

As to your linguistic double take. No if you make a negative statement its your job to back it up. If you don't you make your side look petty and foolish.

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Anyhoo, you'd be happy to know that I am not a Ron Paul supporter. Not at all. In fact, he's not strong enough on the border, and he's completely ignored the Ramos/Compean Border Patrol case, which I've been all over like white on rice. I'm hoping an Independent candidate arises. I can't stand either Dems or Repubs - the former are treasonous, and the latter are pathetic weenies.

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

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You do not support Ron Paul, but you come in here putting it to Eric -- who is running against Paul. You say you are against democrats because they are treasonous, and you are against Republicans because they are pathetic weenies.

So why exactly are you wasting bandwidth here at RS?

Shouldn't you be over at AnarchistsAnonymous.com?

I don't see why Mexicans should be judged any differently from Savadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans or anyone else from that region.

I know a Salvadoran who is legal, fully assimilated and a successful entrepreneur, to name just one example (as if I should have to).

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People like you make it harder to secure the border. By attacking the character of those who disagree with you (You're the only "True Americans?"), you stifle any hope of meaningful debate, and play into the namecalling that the far left uses on the mainstream members of the border security coalition.

Run like Reagan!

Neil, please reread my comment. I didn't attack Dondero's character (there's plenty of others who will). Rather, I wanted to point out that when it comes to one of the biggest voter issues in '08, Dondero's not in line with the American voter (the real American voters, not the illegal voters or their La Raza handlers).

A generous Guest Worker program and path to citizenship for all Mexicans who want it is not the way to "secure" the border. Far from it.

We need people in office who are tougher than ever on illegal immigration, border security, Mexican gov't manipulations and meddling; and who can help roll back the almost insurmountable damage unchecked illegal immigration has inflicted upon our nation. We don't yet another politician without a clue.

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

First off, if implying Eric Dondero isn't a True American isn't an attack on his loyalty, and therefore his character, I don't know what is.

Secondly, you're really stealing some bases here. You already quoted Eric as being against illegal aliens:

"I'm pro-Guest Worker program, but anti-illegal immigration."

But then you imply he's pro-amnesty by echoing the amnesty crowd and pinning their rhetoric on him ("path to citizenship") without showing that Eric supports a paradoxical Guest Worker program that allows a path to citizenship, and further imply he's generous to illegals:

A generous Guest Worker program and path to citizenship for all Mexicans who want it is not the way to "secure" the border. Far from it.

We need people in office who are tougher than ever on illegal immigration, border security, Mexican gov't manipulations and meddling; and who can help roll back the almost insurmountable damage unchecked illegal immigration has inflicted upon our nation. We don't yet another politician without a clue.

Buzz off. Your attacks on Eric are baseless, self-contradictory, and to me suggest to me an ulterior motive.

Run like Reagan!

Neil,

I did not imply that Dondero was for amnesty. I said that he IS for amnesty - as per his own verbal statements, which I linked to the audio in the above post. Knowing where Dondero stands on amnesty, I find his statement on illegal immigration to be disingenuous, to say the least. It's political spin - and we all know it when we smell it.

And again, by 'true Americans', I meant the American voters of this district, not the illegal voters. If that wasn't clear to you, I do hope that my two explanations of it will now help you understand what I meant.

I do have an ulterior motive, if you want to dramatize it as that - I want the toughest candidate to represent my Congressional district. Dondero would never be my choice to represent me - and as a fiercely Independent voter, I'm a little tired of having ZERO representation in Congress. I don't agree with Dondero on allowing Mexico unfettered access to my country. I just don't.

Look, Neil. I did not go out of my way to offend you. I replied under your post because it seemed that you are a Reagan fan, like myself, and would understand my concerns about Dondero. I hadn't read all the other comments, but now I can see that your emotions are very tied up in this, and I've hurt some feelings. There's no need to painfully parse my words. Did I say "generous to illegals"? No. I said "generous Guest Worker program". Listen to the audio above, and you'll know where I get that.

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"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government." --Thomas Paine

"A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan

Anyone who honestly believes that Ron Paul won the debate does not have the authority to analyze Republican politics. You can agree with him and you can think he's the greatest and only hope for America, but you are vastly outnumbered in the Republican party, if not the American people as a whole.

"Republicans have not just lose our majority, we lost our way." - Mike Pence

You're right, I guess, about the debate -- I say I guess because it sounds credible, not because I watched the debate -- but I think Randy's right about the supposedly dispositive nature of the rhetorical "body slam" administered by Rudy.

I like Rudy, but I think he (and most conservative commentators) jumped on what Paul said as if it bore more meaning than I think Paul meant it to have.

I have pretty much no use for libertarians, and they're really bad on foreign policy, but this dogpile on Ron Paul over his comment strikes me as pretty thoughtless and reactive.

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I like some of Ron Paul's ideas. I am very much pro the Iraq war, but I sure do like what he is saying about cutting federal programs. I think he is right about us having everything we needed for homeland security pre 9/11. We didn't need a whole new beauracracy on top of the old one, and he is right in saying they still don't have it right. And I like that he questioned why did the Department of Education double its size.

I like some of the Libertarian posotions, but I do strongly believe in National Security.

Just like you, Eric likes a lot of Ron Paul's positions but disagrees with him national security.

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Here's the interesting thing. Ron Paul is both a libertarian and a Republican. However, Paul is a TEN term Republican congressman. Yet, the media keeps referring to him as a libertarian. What gives with that?

Does everyone remember that both Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan referred to themselves as "libertarian-conservatives"?

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Ach, well. I wonder if there's any ice cream left?

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the fact that he was the Libertarian Candidate for President in 1988? Do you know anything at all about your candidate? His history of joining and then leaving, and then re-joining the Republican Party?

The Paulies and Rombots were obviously working overtime. If you think that translates into real support, you need new meds.
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But just think, when the field is finally widdled down to the real candidates, you will have some rather top notch net savvy troops at the party's disposal.

There is a silver lining here. Just hold on while we dream the impossible dream.

And, FWIW, I'm not being snarky or nasty (at least I'm trying not too). Libertarians, at least at the national level are just dreamers. No action. Paul has been in Congress forever and has done nothing but talk and vote no.

There's no organization to speak of, no prioritized agenda, and no realistic plan of action. Just dreams and talk.

I hold lots of beliefs that fit well with libertarians, small govt, etc. But Ron Paul is such a fruit cake on defense, etc that he hurts the cause.
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Ed Clark and he had the misfortune to be up against Reagan.
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libertarians, they simple are not content to seek alliances where they can get them, they demand ideological purity. It has been that way since Ayn Rand.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
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DO want to seek alliances. I am one of them.

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These 'dreamers' you refer to are the reason you have the freedom to spew this ignorance. The founders understood the basic concepts of libertarianism which is based on the constitution and limited government. A candidate who votes no on everything is an ideal candidate in today's environment. Fifty two percent of Americas are recipients of federal money in one way or another this leaves 48% capitalists supporting 52% government recipients. At what point do you believe we are past the point of no return? 40%? 30% 5%? With out people like Ron Paul this country would have been done long ago!

If you're going to come here and get in people's face concerning stuff about which you appear to be generally ignorant you won't last long.

You are so sold on Dr. Paul as Dr. No, please tell me what he has actually ACCOMPLISHED in twenty years in the House. As in, name one piece of legislation that he's sponsored that conformed to his stated philosophy, that passed both houses of congress. Just one.

You can wander in here and whine about the number of people who receive government funds, without, I would note, specifying "why" they are receiving them, and yet your candidate has not done one proactive thing to reduce that number.

BTW, does that include the salaries paid to the US military? Or money distributed to employees of companies that receive government contracts? Or social security recipients? If you're gonna toss around numbers bubba, back 'em up or shut up.

After you get through trying to find a piece of legislation that Dr. Paul has sponsored, next you can write a blog about the plan published by either Dr. Paul or the Libertarian Party that shows how they plan to "take the country back" to the principles you seem to think the US was founded on. It'll make great reading.

Your inability to answer my questions about legislation and a Libertarian plan will reinforce my point in the comment you read before taking your meds. Libertarians are dreamers not people of action. And for your information, bonehead, the people who have given me the "freedom to spew this ignorance" and who insure that I will continue to have said freedom are decidedly NOT pacifist sops like Dr. Paul, they are rough men who are willing to put their lives on the line in places far from home for principles that Dr. Paul and you have no concept of. Men like US Army soldiers and US Marines currently fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan who have answered the call of their nation for generations.

You disgust me.
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Again you miss the point. Let me type slowly so you can understand. If you want to create some legislation to take money from the treasury for you and your buddies, then good for you. As for me, I'm going to vote for someone who has the integrity to protect my money and my liberties.

It's because of the intelligence level of people like you that our US soldiers (which I have 3 family members their right now) are fighting for a country that is currently bankrupt and borrowing 2 billion dollars a day from the Chinese to fund this war. It doesn't prove your manhood to go to war based on faulty intelligence. If you want to put American lives at risk then please do your homework.

My personal goal as a libertarian is to keep meat heads like you from getting in a position of power that would put the lives of my family at risk.

Hooray Beer!

Really? Show me.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

But the repo man is here and he wants the internet. We are bankrupt, after all.
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Point one. Produce one piece of legislation that Ron Paul has authored and gotten passed into law that promoted any of your precious Libertarian "principles" in the 20 years he's been sitting on his duff in the House Chamber. NOTE: I'm not asking for some world changing thing like getting rid of the the Dept of Ed (which I favor), but just any old thing.

Point two. With eloquent spokesmen like Dr. Paul and yourself, we NEVER have to worry about a Libertarian being in charge of much of anything. You guys sit around around and dream up stuff (and to be fair, some of it is pretty good like the example above) and not a one of you has ever produced a plan to get to where you say you want to be. Bottom line, you're just wine sipping whiners who are too lazy or too incompetent at interpersonal relations to forge a pact to actually accomplish something.

I'm not even going to address the "faulty intelligence" KnownFact™. If you are dumb enough to fall for that you need help getting out of bed in the morning.
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Dr, Paul submitted legislation to stop USDA from implementing the National Animal Id System (NAIS), but was shot down from both sides of the isle.

NAIS is targeted at shutting down the family farms, in favor of the huge factory farms, where the animal diseases come from. Factory Farms such as Cargil and Tyson would not have to fully comply, but the small farmer has to. When they make it fully mandatory, I will have give up my 2 birds. I only have two birds, and would have to tag them individually, where Tyson and Perdue can treat 20K birds as two birds. Every time a case of BSE (Mad Cow Disease for the uneducated) is discoverrd, it has come from one of the factory farms, and not from small farmers, or the Amish.

He has tried to stop Real Id, and got shot down there as well. I guess, since Guiliani is so much smarter, and wants Real Id (for citizens only) we will be so much safer. Do you want every move you make tracked by the feds? Don't give me any crap about, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, why would it bother you?" What I do, and where I go, is no one else's business but mine.

Dr. Paul didn't blame Bush alone for the failed foreign policy. He did state that we have been bombing them for 10 years. Remember when Clinton was bombing asprin factories to try to keep from appearing in court when charges were brought against him? Things like that are what make bad foreign policy.

Who is going to get us out of such socialist programs as Welfare and Social Security? Who is going to get us out of the UN (that property would make for some rather lovely low-income housing)? Who is going to stop NAFTA, CAFTA, and NAU? Surely, none of the idiots that are currently sitting at the highest positions in the government, because these are huge vote buying (not to mention personal money making) schemes. That's why they all want the illegals here as well. If they can get them on fast track citizenship, they hope to get the votes.

I am a Libertarian, but I am Pro-Life. The only difference between the Dems and Reps in DC is that they differ on the "A" word and Gay Marriage. That's it. Nothing more.

I suggest you read his writings, and then maybe you will get a clearer picture. That is, unless you love over-sized and extremely intrusive government.

well, certainly not Ron Paul. You make my point with great vigor.

Once again, slowly for the "action impaired"...

1. Ron Paul has been in Congress for 20 years and has not passed one piece of authored legislation that supports his views. The man cannot build a coalition of support on ANYTHING. That alone disqualifies him for anything but retirement and book writing.
2. "Read his writings". I could not be less interested in the collected writings of Ron Paul. His "thoughts" don't matter one whit. He's well published and has no following. Probably because he has no, repeat NO!, action plan and no, repeat again NO!, ability to build a coalition to actually accomplish anything. Ron Paul's writings are simply fiction.
3. I have probably less use for intrusive government than you do, but I'm not wasting my time with a pin-head like Paul who sits in a cave, wastes the time and money of the people of his district by accomplishing NOTHING in 20 years as their "representative". I would prefer a candidate who is willing to take one small step, any small step, and fight for it, than a congressional leach who "thinks" and "writes" and doesn't or can't act.
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In the future, can you just email us about this crap or something before popping off about them? That saves us the trouble of explaining the Life is not Fair™ principle over and over.

Thanks.

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You are right. Libertarians don't get it. I recently said, in a post on this blog, that Ron Paul has asked for a challenge because of his terrible views on national security. I have been attacked by untold numbers of libertarians who seem to have as an objective to be more "right" on the issues than I am. I agree with libertarians on (at least) 80 percent of the issues out there, but in their minds I'm completely off based. They don't care about policy or electoral success, they simply want to be right. That is why they are not a significant force in American politics nor will they likely be in the future.

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Conservatives (and Presidential Candidates especially) shall offer no aid and comfort to the opposition in times of legislative conflict (and ensuing political campaigns).

So, who do you think the netroots voted for? The looniest and most anti-Bush candidate they could find. Since Kucinich wasn't on stage, they voted for his "republican" clone.

People like Paul are why the LP has fallen on such hard times.

Do you think that for ONE mili-second that anyone
in the entire universe gives a fig about what you
think?

AND YOU don't know zip about"cowboys"... But they
stand head AND shoulders above YOU as far as brains
are concerned! (your "brain" rolls around like a
B-B in a box car)

Ron Paul will rue the day that he made such comments.
They will dog him till the day he dies, just like "Hanoi"
jane. What you don't know is legend!
ZAL
smitty

Smitty,
How about we have a grown up conversation?

And he's utterly wrong. Our foreign policy could be designed and run by the head of Hezbollah and they would hate us just as much because we let women drive.

Paul is foolish and dangerous, except that the overwhelming majority of people know he's foolish and dangerous.
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Paul is foolish and dangerous? How many crazy foreign nation-builiding projects has he plunged us into? Paul dared to say what needed to be said and its what the majority of Americans agree with by the way. America should only fight for America's interests, not Israels, not the Kurds, not the Albanians, not the Somalis or anyone else.

Paul dared to say what needed to be said and its what the majority of Americans agree with by the way.

That explains why your pal, Pat Buchanan (who seems to mesh with your positions even better than Paul), is so immensely popular. Isolationism is not any kind of answer, and most people are smart enough to realize that.
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It's disingenuous to present the 'either this or that' option here. This is the same treatment as those who insist our only immigration reform options are between "deportation by force with cattle prods, especially for the children" and "a path to citizenship, a new car, red carpet treatment all around and a guaranteed spot on Deal or No Deal."

There are myriad other possibilities between a pure isolationist "wall off the nation, stop all trade and communication with the outside world because it's evil" and neo-conservative, neo-Wilsonian "we can democratize the world AND we must because it's good for every person in every culture AND there are no people or cultures that cannot accommodate the imposition of temperate liberty and a republican democratic form of government."

In both examples, the most extreme options are equally absurd. However, I think that Paul was pointing out that we're pretty close to following one of the most absurd extremes with our foreign policy. It doesn't take a turn to isolationism to back off from that.

It's always a good thing when we have leaders who realize that Reagan's "Shining City on a Hill" line specifically channeled Winthrops circa 1630 hope that America would become an example for the world, not a magnet and surely not an enforcer of "our way or the highway." It's always a good thing when we have leaders who have actually read and taken to heart the Federalist Papers and figured out why the first five letters written to the citizens of a new nation to present its proposed new form of government addressed issues related to foreign policy and warned repeatedly against the nation entering into "entangling alliances."

Just because its "old wisdom" doesn't make it irrelevant or antiquated. In reading the transcript, Mayor Giuliani basically built a straw-man out of Rep. Paul's words, then attacked the extreme figment he created.

Maybe people who saw the debate were fooled at the time, but in reading through it, the ruse becomes pretty clear. I certainly wouldn't vote for anyone who couldn't figure it out.

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is one of the most intelligent comments I've even seen on this blog. Thank you, Finch.

I assume when you talk about 'isolationism' your referring to the current administration and the majority of the the Republican candidates? This is how you create isolationism - bomb them first and then trade with them second. We are currently the most isolated country on the planet.

Ron Paul is the only one in the GOP speaking the truth. We cannot afford a continued policy of being the global policeman. The GOP, in large part, has abandoned the Constitution. We should build fences and defend our borders. Not build a colonialism policy for the middle east. Ron Paul is right, that is one of the big reasons they hate us.

Our foreign policy could be designed and run by the head of Hezbollah and they would hate us just as much because we let women drive.

So why wasn't Canada attacked? Or Sweden? I hear they let women drive over there too.

First, the US is the "Great Satin". We're target number 1, well maybe number 2 after Israel.

Second, there has been at least 1 terroris plot to attack in Canada stopped since 9/11/01. Seems they don't care much for those women drivers in Canada either.

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There's far more to his hatred than just women driving cars.

He hates the Saudi regime above all others... and credits the Great Satan as being the Great Enabler.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm

In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait. Bin Ladin, whose efforts in Afghanistan had earned him celebrity and respect, proposed to the Saudi monarchy that he summon mujahideen for a jihad to retake Kuwait. He was rebuffed, and the Saudis joined the U.S.-led coalition. After the Saudis agreed to allow U.S. armed forces to be based in the Kingdom, Bin Ladin and a number of Islamic clerics began to publicly denounce the arrangement. The Saudi government exiled the clerics and undertook to silence Bin Ladin by, among other things, taking away his passport. With help from a dissident member of the royal family, he managed to get out of the country under the pretext of attending an Islamic gathering in Pakistan in April 1991.33 By 1994, the Saudi government would freeze his financial assets and revoke his citizenship.34 He no longer had a country he could call his own....

In now analyzing the terrorist programs carried out by members of this network, it would be misleading to apply the label "al Qaeda operations" too often in these early years. Yet it would also be misleading to ignore the significance of these connections. And in this network, Bin Ladin's agenda stood out. While his allied Islamist groups were focused on local battles, such as those in Egypt, Algeria, Bosnia, or Chechnya, Bin Ladin concentrated on attacking the "far enemy"-the United States.

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why Denmark and France are under attack. It must be their presence in Iraq in big numbers and their support for Israel, huh?
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They would hate us MOSTLY b/c we "enable the Saudi regime" to stay in power. All that other stuff... to include Israel, is just the last straw for Bin Laden and his inner circle.

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...70 years of meddling in the middle east is to blame. If you cannot see that, then you're just crazy. Ask Bin Laden why he wants to kill us. It's because we support Israel and meddle in middle east affairs.

Al Quaida hasn't attacked Haiti or Cameroon or Peru or any other nation that doesn't screw around in the middle east have they?

We should be closing down our own borders instead of trying to secure Iraq. If we are going to fight a war, then we should just wipe the place out. We always fight with one hand tied behind our back. Americans are not tired of the war, we're pissed because it doesn't seem that we are winning. Torch Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and get the hell out of there.

I don't care if they ever get a democracy or not.

in events in the Middle East? Meddling? Sure, everything we do is meddling in the affairs of someone, somewhere. Even shutting our own borders would be meddling in the affairs of other countries due to the massive effects on their economies.

As for your ideas.
I don't want a long term Fortress America.
I want to encourage freedom and free trade throughout the world.
I don't want to wipe out entire countries to get a few bad guys. This reminds me of the crusader who answered a query about how to tell the good Christians from the heretics by saying "Kill them all! Let God sort them out."

And AQ and it's affiliates have attacked or attempted to attack:
1. Spain
2. Indonesia
3. Canada
4. France
5. Germany
6. Jordan
7. Tanzania
8. Kenya
9. Indonesia
10. India
11. Saudi Arabia
12. Algeria
13. England
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And the list goes on and on.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument that they'd have left us alone if only we'd stay away from their back yard. They're attempting to build a worldwide caliphate. They'll get to Haiti and Cameroon eventually.

Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani.htm

"'m a proud 22 year libertarian buddy. I have a libertarian activist resume that would make your head spin."

You label Paul's justified criticism of our failed foreign policy as "treachorous, and near treasonous". Labeling a dissenter of government policy as a traitor? Very libertarian indeed.

I can say this transplant would be rather a fool to walk the streets of Angleton and knocking on doors and calling Paul treasonous.

I challenge Eric Dondero Rittberg to go door knocking in Angleton and letting people know if they support Ron Paul they are treason lovers.

Since you know CD-14 like the back of your hand, and claim to be from Angleton, why not start on Cannan Drive, and let me know how that goes for you.

Make sure you let all the proud patriots on that street who have supported Ron Paul for years know that they are guilty of treason.

BTW thanks for the Spanish book, it was helpful.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Where you can say anything not expecting people to fact check you.

Please, let us know what 10 - 15 languages you speak. And no Google translator allowed.

This sounds like it's the same person.
http://www.frugalfun.com/learnalanguage.html

First the bad news. The book is chock full of errors: spelling, grammar, pronunciation. I speak five languages to varying degrees of proficiency, and I know enough to cringe when I see blatant misspellings of common words, bad mixing of formal/informal verb forms, and just plain wrong pronunciation. I agree with those who've suggested that some major proofreading is in order.

Like difference between año and ano, eh hefe?

pettiness? hate? boredom?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Fred Thompson - Pres/ Hagel - Vice-Pres ticket?

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

If you read the intro to the book you would know that the "errors" are quite intentional. They are meant to make understanding easier for Americans. Those are guides to help readers pronounce the words. I admit I took some liberties with my method. But the purpose of my book was to get Americans speaking more languages and fast, for their trip to Europe, Asia or Africa.

My book was roundly criticized by academice types. I wore that criticism like a badge of honor.

But my readers, and travel media types loved it.

You should check out some of the endorsements for the book like from Charles Pimsleur and Dr. Barry Farber.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com