The Michigan Debate
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The GOP debate starts at 4pm on CNBC. It will re-air tonight at 9pm.
Today will be Fred Thompson's first debate. I'll be on XM Satellite Radio's new POTUS Channel in about twenty minutes discussing all of this.
In the meantime, have at it boys and girls -- a debate open thread.
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And the first question goes to Thompson. He's not looking directly at the camera. He's slow out of the gate though answering the question.
Good job pulling it to spending.
Great on Romney taking on Michigan's government! Well freakin' done!
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Is Romney on speed?
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mentioned an important characteristic of both men. The pundits disparage Fred because he doesn't launch into a litany of reasons why (name it) makes him better than Rudy. I'd rather have a President who thinks about a question before he answers, rather than one who seems to have all the answers memorized.
Mitt, OTOH, seems to be spring-loaded with answers to every question, and they all seem to lead him to Rudy. I noticed that, and I like Mitt.
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
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I missed Fred, Romney looks GOOD on camera. Giuliani is talking too much about how the Democrats are bad...
I'm not a big Rudy fan. But his references to Hillary and the Dems are the only thing that made my ears perk up. The others were so very careful not to say anything original.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I just heard a[n allegedly] Republican Presidential candidate bash the "military-industrial complex."
Ron Paul is getting invited to the wrong debates.
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This kind of liberty is, indeed, but another name for justice; ascertained by wise laws, and secured by well-constructed institutions.
-Edmund Burke
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Well, it was Ike that made that statement first. But it was in a very specific context and I think it's been wildly misused by the left, especially considering what it means when you line up the supposed meaning of it according to the leftists, and Ike's actions.
“I am telling people loosen your ties, fire up the coffee pots, get ready for the weekend, ... We've got a lot of work to do.”
- John Bolton
McCain got off to a slow start, but dang, that woman who just tried to push that class warfare just made him look good too.
you get less of what you tax
good answer by Huck as well
Matthews is smart and can ask good questions when he wants to.
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Define 'cheating,' Mr. Hunter. And don't use weasel words like 'countervailing duties,' come out and call them 'higher taxes on Americans.'
Come on Fred, call them higher taxes... argh.
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to technology, not trade.
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He seems lively and emotive to me.
Earmarks are 1% of the budget. And Medicaid is in there to.
Ugh, I wish he weren't in Buchanan land, because he may as well be quoting my posts here, heh.
www.cnbc.com and click the orange "Live Now" button.
I think Romney harping on the Line Item Veto is dumb because it was unconstitutional regardless of who pushed it.
Yep, now he's stuck on the minutiae.
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Nebraska's partial-birth abortion ban was unconstitutional? Ramesh Ponnuru dissects Guiliani's defense here: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmNkMTZjMzMxZDZjODY5Nzk1NDMwNmI...
Romney keeps harping on Line Item Veto like it's magical, while Giuliani keeps harping on beating Clinton.
Treating the Supreme Court like it's our Council of Guardians is annoying, too.
And someone please slap these moderators on their lunacy. "Shrinking American dream?"
Fred between Rudy and Romney while they are arguing looks downright fatherly.
Hunter's strategy seems to be to throw Thompson off his game.
Dang, McCain brought game today -- even quoting job figures relating to EBay. Who knew he even knew what EBay was.
but what was that about "making up" for lost income when someone gets a lower paying job? Did I hear that right?
Molon Labe!
And Tancredo has come unhinged, doing his best to make McCain look good.
The little graphic switheroos with sound effects are damned annoying.
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" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln
The implication of what he said there was "We're not selling cars anymore. We're selling ideas and services and intellecutal property. Deal with it."
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"We're on the verge of going one direction or another," said Rudy. No ****.
What an answer.
Points to Giuliani's team. As the debate is going on, they are blast emailing out talking points, pointing out Romney's "C" grade from CATO, info on tax cuts in NYC vs. Massachusetts, etc.
That's well done.
what ye find persuasive, but as for me CATO's "C" grade for Romney doesn't hold much weight.
where all the candidates are speaking substantively and making sense! well, except Senator McCain...
Of course, the moderators keep throwing these agenda-driven softballs...
Weren't they the ones who invented "Fair Trade?"
And to blame lower taxes, rather than Jennifer Granholm and the Democrats, for Michigan's woes is ridiculous.
I'm pulling my hair out. Just when I thought that Huckabee couldn't be more ANTI economic growth, he starts spouting about FAIR TRADE. OMG
FREE TRADE = FAIR TRADE, GOVERNOR!
they both have spoken ill of free trade in the past and on stage
McCain says he is a "student of history." Hell, I thought he was history. POW, Senator, Presidential candidate, etc., etc., etc.
They're the only ones who seem to be on their game on these economic issues. They feel like the A-student MBA candidates.
Hunter don't trust no arabs. And Huckabee likes Fair Trade?!?!?!!?!
So, Rep. Hunter, if the EU raises income taxes to 50%, will you raise ours too? Why stop at tariffs?
What!?!?
how can you be for free markets and not free trade
The better!
"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
The people know where they find it. It's in their pocket.
GOGOGOGOGOGO
Life is not fair, but It's still a Wonderful Life!
Fred, bingo.....government doesnt lose money w/ tax cuts....its in the peoples pockets..... Fred is waking up
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ment" another hit!
Fred answers the ATM . . . er . . .AMT question very well. He gets on fire with the tax questions.
on trade. But then I look at most of the rest of the world as our evil enemy. I wonder if I'm turning into a crank! I like Hunter's anger.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
My wife is right there with you too. She's embraced the anger.
I need some catharsis and Hunter fits the bill. I wish Fred were angrier.
Fred is right on Iraq. McCain is right on Iraq and I don't care.
Ron Paul does not live in the same universe I do.
Brownback is better than I expected. Rudy and Mitt are exactly what I expected.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
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Thompson is up again .... alternative minimum tax ... a very strong answer ... good short term answer as well as pulling in mandatory Federal spending into the equation
What a huge difference between a Rep debate and a DEm debate. Dems fight over how they will give more handouts and shame America. I wish people could see these debates side by side or consecutively to see the stark contrast.
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he's asking honest questions without snark. Think he's been properly chastised for his bias?
We scared him. He saw what we did to David Shuster. ;)
Matthews is out of his element. He at least knows better to tone things down. I wonder if Keith "countdown to low IQ" olbermann could hold back.
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Matthews is totally out of his depth here.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
Interesting that Fred didn't say "good" on the President's Iraq policy, but chose to go with "right policy now."
to essentially say that he would have taken McCain's position if he'd been in the Senate ...
Angling for each other's VP slots?
Oh good Lord, don't ask Ron Paul any more questions -- particularly the ones about oil.
I think that he makes for a useful foil to see how the serious Republican candidates will handle an anti-war (even if in rhetoric only) Democrat in the general election.
but makes the other candidates look like statemen.
OMG I take it back -- he's Shrillary II!!
ou may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
Why does Ron Paul think it's bad that the Chinese take paper dollars in exchange for real goods?
"Gold standard. Gold standard. Gold standard. Gimme my Illudium 386 nebulizer"
"I think I'll go to sleep and dream about piles of gold getting bigger and bigger and bigger"-- Fred C Dobbs, "Treasure of the Sierra Madre"
Molon Labe!
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Amazing that Brownback, as a United States Senator, thinks he can divide up Iraq and impose his government solution on it.
Iraq is a sovereign nation. We don't have the right to carve up another nation that wants to stay in tact.
Iraq was a sovereign nation before we invaded it too. So was Nazi Germany, Japan, etc.
I think partition is a terrible idea for a whole bunch of reasons, but we built the new Iraqi government, and until it stands on it's own, we can do away with it if we like. There are a whole bunch of reasons as to why that's a bad idea, but if I thought it was a good idea I'd not hesitate to do it.
We established a new government for Japan as well. Basically, it went this way: The Japanese government voted on stuff, then, after having decided, asked MacArthur if they could do what they wanted. He said yes or no. And sometimes he did say no, try again. If that's necessary in Iraq, then it's necessary. I don't think it is right now, but that's not the point.
“I am telling people loosen your ties, fire up the coffee pots, get ready for the weekend, ... We've got a lot of work to do.”
- John Bolton
on the elected Iraqi Government?
Holy crap! Did Romney really just say that he'd do what the lawyers told him to do as far as going to war? Didn't Bush work hard to get out of that crippling mindset? WTF?
Of course he did.
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He said he would consult with his lawyers about whether he (as President) would have to consult with Congress before taking a hypothetical premptive strike to protect the security of the United States. The question was legal in nature. Does the President have to consult with Congress? I would hope that all our nominees would consult attorneys should that hypothetical situation arise.
Should have said:
"If Iran became a clear and present danger to the United States requiring immediate action I believe a President can act without Congressional approval to secure American safety. If immediate is not necessary, then of course I will first secure Congressional approval before entering into a war."
I mean- that is the loophole that those lawyers will be looking at right? So why not put it out and say it.
but I don't think it's a flub for a candidate to say that he would consult with his attorneys should that occassion arise. I hope every candidate would.
Haven't we given lawyers enough power already?
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
Anyone check the value of the dollar recently? What about Gold? Sooner or later China will stop taking our paper then what? Congressman Paul is the only one who understands the long term dangers we are facing. We really are looking at a real possibility that our dollar will completely collapse
or does it mean that our exports will start doing better, and people might start buying more American goods?
How, by the way can a deficit of less than 3% of GNP possibly destroy our economy?
Do you have any idea what your talking about or are you just a Ronulan?
STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID!
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If it's bad for us that China is holding it's currency artificially low, why is it bad for us that our currency is actually low?
We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.
that I'm missing this? I won't even be able to catch the re-air at 9.
I think there's a little site in Hawaii that Rep. Paul needs a junket too at some point.
Is that Paul could actually pull a Nader and run as an independent or a Libertarian. After all, he's already got a primary for his house seat, and may well not keep it.
That said, I'm not convinced that he wouldn't pull more D votes then R votes, being as how he's so pure against the war, which a lot of moonbats would like, but it's also entirely possible he'll pull more R votes. Basically, he'd be an X factor that would make things very difficult.
Anyhow, I hope he doesn't run as an I or L, and I hope he loses his primary for his House seat.
“I am telling people loosen your ties, fire up the coffee pots, get ready for the weekend, ... We've got a lot of work to do.”
- John Bolton
... isn't someone who would otherwise vote for any of the likely Republican nominees. If he wants to run 3rd party that's fine with me.
Iran has the ability to close the straights where the oil in the region travels through. If we attacked them they would do it in a heartbeat. The wold economy would grind to a halt without it.
If Iran attempted to close the straights, the closure would last less than a day. Of course, that would assume that RP hasn't pulled the US Navy back to port in the US to protect our borders and the seven mile limit (or whatever it is).
Talk about being totally out of touch with anything even resembling reality...
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Burning DC to the ground and driving Dolly Madison and the rest out of town? Or do neither count because neither were as state at the time, or is there a better tin foil hat reason?
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Mathews keeps changing the question on attacking Iran. And Ron Paul got the better of Romney on the lawyer bit, but then totally blew it with his nuttiness.
Rudy just smacked Paul back for that one.
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now, to do anything for a while
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Why don't the same questions get asked of Dems as Reps in debates? Aren't they all running for the same office?
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kook libs they are
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alternative.