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How many suckers can Caucus Cooler manufacture?

I'm not even going to go through this further, except to say that you need to look at the documents CC posted; you need to investigate what "bribe" means; and you need to investigate what Novo Nordisk manufactures.

for diabetes drugs and treatments. And they use embrionic stem cell research as part of the process. What of it?

yielded no results. Aren't they supposed to disclose campaign contributions?

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That's not what these are.

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He was paid an honorarium for speaking.

Not consulting, and certainly not "bribes."

Ah, a rose by any other name.

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By this standard, I bribed the local In-n-Out Burger for a double-double meal last night.

So much for my presidential aspirations.

politicain takinga "bribe". Of course not. Consulting fee, honorarium, donation, etc, etc. etc. but never a bribe. And yep, if you paid $25,000 bucks for the double double you were buying MORE than a burger.

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I don't know what world you're in, but I want to be a part of it.

Unless you can demonstrate that no speaking occurred in exchange for the speaking fee; or unless you can demonstrate that meaningful services were performed in addition to speaking; you have no case here.

The "Murtha Defense Gambit". Well played, but the transparency is its weakness.

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On a couple of levels.

Get back to me when you have the evidence -- not proof, just evidence -- requested above.

Thank you for confirming my assessment. However, from what I've seen, the Huckabee crowd is about on par with the Ron Paul crowd except that they haven't bought into that gold standard thing.

Tell ya what. Why don't you tell me why you support the guy?

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See pretty much everything I've written in the past few weeks.

Are you being paid to apologize for the guy? If not, you should be. I'm surprised you don't take a pair of pliers and jerk out his tongue so that all you would have to do is apologize for his past stupidity rather than have a new mess to clean up every day. The guy needs someone to follow him around with a plastic bag turned inside out over his mouth to dispose of the stuff that comes out before he steps in it.

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He also cross-posted a polemic for his candidate at RedState.

It just calls into question his motives. Is interested in advancing himself or the US? Guiliani has distanced himself from his firm. I'm sure Thompson could get a cameo gig somewhere...but those guys are principled.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

Now I've heard everything.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

I'll pretend to agree with that if I never again have to hear a Huck supporter talk about fees to discredit Romney's tax record.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

As an admirer of Mitt Romney, you have an accomplished role model in the pretending-to-agree department.

Investigate what the word "fungible" means.

"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974

Among other things.

The idea that this somehow constitutes a negation of Huckabee's pro-life credentials is absurd.

Any comment posted by a Huckabee supporter?

How convenient would it be for you folks if you didn't have to justify your unsubstantive hit pieces against Governor Huckabee?

"I believe in grace, because I have seen it. In peace, because I have felt it. In forgiveness, because I needed it."

-George W. Bush

Slow down. If you are commenting faster than you are figuring out what is going on, you might as well be spamming.

"The Cooler has obtained documents "

Yea that's right and I just printed up a deed to the Brooklyn bridge!
I would prefer to take the man at his word rather than some boogie man with a grudge and the cooler

from Mike Huckabee dot com

"I support and have always supported passage of a constitutional amendment to protect the right to life."
"I am opposed to research on embryonic stem cells. "

To see where Mike Huckabee stands on the issues visit

MikeHuckabee dot com

Stan

stan@allelectionresults.com

You said Huckabee always supported a Consitutional amendment.

Then explain this interview in 2006 with John Hawkins.

John Hawkins: Switching gears again, do you think we should overturn Roe v. Wade?

Mike Huckabee: It would please me because I think Roe v. Wade is based on a real stretch of Constitutional application — that somehow there is a greater privacy issue in the abortion concern — than there is a human life issue — and that the federal government should be making that decision as opposed to states making that decision.

So, I've never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment, but secondly, to somehow believe that the taking of an innocent, unborn human life is about privacy and not about that unborn life is ludicrous.

So Huckabee in 2006 thought it was a matter left to the states per the tenth amendment. There is no mention of a Constitutional amemdment whatsoever.

He's prolife but once again he "overselling" himself. Not a deal breaker but worth noting that just like the Washington Times pointed out that Huckabee doesn't always get his own facts right about where he stands and what he's done.

Truly, now he is being compared to Hugo Chavez. I have read this twice today. You folks are getting desperate and it shows.

"I believe in grace, because I have seen it. In peace, because I have felt it. In forgiveness, because I needed it."

-George W. Bush

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...and where is any proof or facts that demonstrate that HUck is getting paid today for his appearence, or that he is getting paid for any appearences???

The first response from the ISB is pretty damn definitive, i.e. Huck is not accepting any speaking engagements right now. And Erick and his source should have gotten clarification from either the ISB or Huck campaign before publishing this.

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And anyway, people were getting tired of Alan Keyes.

Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you're dead.

That is garbage isn't worth one attempt to post, much less three.
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If you don't use the Reply To This links to reply to comments, and just go around spreading negative comments about candidates, nobody knows what you're talking about and you will just get ignored or ridiculed.

Oh, and I'm deleting your first two tries, since we really don't need them.

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If all of us who loathe the Huckster and speak out are conservatives, and we are the enemy, then what is Huckabee?

It just sheds light on his campaign strategy. He has stopped speaking at any venue other than churches during his campaign, because for Huckabee, only speaking at churches is a political act, and so furthers his campaign.

A more cynical take is that since he knows his campaign must fail, he will mold his campaign rhetoric not for success in the primaries, but for success in his speaking career. I would find that to be an unethical exploitation of his supporters, although I wouldn't put it past Huckabee.

He has stopped speaking at any venue other than churches during his campaign....

False.

He has stopped speaking for pay at any venue other than churches during his campaign.

A bit more like you, and we might be able to have honest discussions on Huckabee at RS.

It just sheds light on his campaign strategy. He has stopped speaking for pay at any venue other than churches during his campaign, because for Huckabee, only speaking at churches is a political act, and so furthers his campaign.

A more cynical take is that since he knows his campaign must fail, he will mold his campaign rhetoric not for success in the primaries, but for success in his speaking career. I would find that to be an unethical exploitation of his supporters, although I wouldn't put it past Huckabee.

Uh....okay.

What?

...he can campaign merely by preaching at a church.

to have an "honest" discussion about Huckacrite if you or any of the other Huckapimps who've been wasting RS bandwidth is involved.
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I am sorry Mike Huckabee killed your dog.

Since a heck of a lot of people feel exactly the same way about the Huckster.
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....appears to harbor a special sort of hysterical antipathy toward the man. Sui generis, so to speak.

but he commuted the sentence of the drunk who did. (For an honorarium.)

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Don't forget the drunk then killed a few more dogs in a neighboring state.

You know him like the back of your hand tbone!

"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974

apparently killed, Josh, is you're understanding of right & wrong, of ethical behavior, and of basic honesty. You've bought into a bill of goods from a guy that makes Bill Clinton look like an honest man.

I feel for you. It's a long way down when you finally figure out what a sleazy piece of lying, thieving crap Huckacrite is.
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Mike Huckabee must die.

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if anyone that disagrees with him stops posting.

"I believe in grace, because I have seen it. In peace, because I have felt it. In forgiveness, because I needed it."

-George W. Bush

it allows him to practice his justly famous skills in diplomacy.

The man is pocketing in one appearance possibly more money than most Baptist pastors make in a year (which is why so many of them rely on gifts from the flock).

That wouldn't be bad in itself, but the point is, the man is selling himself as the champion of the evangelicals, while at the same time choosing only to charge money when speaking at one of their events. He'll speak for free all over the place in Iowa, but if a church wants him, they'd better pay up.

He's not a champion of the evangelicals. He's a leech off of them. I hope Cornerstone counts the chairs after he leaves.

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On two counts, Neil:

1) The churches are, apparently, the ONLY places he accepts engagements for. It's not like he speaks for free on-demand elsewhere. I know this firsthand: we can't get him to show up for a fundraiser(!) here in NorCal to save our lives.

2) I know it's become au courant in the conservosphere to allude to the dull-witted nature of Evangelicals, but rest assured that the parishes who engage with Mike Huckabee are generally aware that he is, uh, being paid by them.

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now THAT was funny!!

Complaining about condescension, implying persecution, invoking self-pity, blah blah blah.

Just a mild comment about condescending commenters. Apparently others agree. And I am the least likely person to support Huckabee that you'll find.

....it passes overhead.

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No? Well then.

"Count the chairs" indeed. And you gripe about me being "off-base."

Didn't he *admit* to taking furniture home with him when he left office in Arkansas, and give it all back? Saying it was a mistake?

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AND they got some of the stuff back...

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

I specifically referred to your implication of on my part a prejudice against evangelicals.

Please don't do that again.

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We've all had our moments when defending our candidate of choice has made us look worse than we ordinarily would, and this is one for you.

I, for one, would be shocked to learn that my church had invited a political candidate to come speak, for one, and more shocked to learn that he were being paid for it in the midst of a campaign. However, I gather that there are evangelical churches for which that would not be the case, but that doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't recognize that is pandering to anti-evangelical bigots. Get a grip.

Incidentally, as a former politically active minister in Arksansas, I knew a not insignificant number of evangelical pastors and ministers who knew Huckabee before and after he went political. Not one of them intends to vote for Huckabee in the primary, and I have heard specifically from one of them that it's because of the way that Huckabee has used religion as a wedge issue, both within Arkansas and without. So these ideas about Huckabee are not all (or even mostly) driven by anti-evanglical bias, and you need to stop insinuating that they are.

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We've all had our moments when defending our candidate of choice has made us look worse than we ordinarily would, and this is one for you.

I think sometimes when a knife is brought to the fight, you need to bring a gun. I admit that this has gotten nasty on both sides, and I regret that. However, I have seen Huckabee supporters called liars, idiots, cowards, and sheep on this website. It has become difficult to be the bigger man given some staments that have been made in the comment section. I don't understand why we are threatened by civility.

"I believe in grace, because I have seen it. In peace, because I have felt it. In forgiveness, because I needed it."

-George W. Bush

....give it a rest. You're in a poor position to cast stones, for reasons irrelevant to this thread.

Anyone shedding crocodile tears for the poor, ignorant parishioners fleeced by the Huckster is indeed pandering to anti-Evangelical bias. Considering how the great majority of these parishes are run -- a subject you of all people should be familiar with -- the notion that any speaker costing significant funds would be brought in without a broad parish consensus defies credulity.

Neil Stevens advanced precisely this notion, and then claimed that he should not be called on it because -- well, because he gets to, I guess. That is, I repeat, absurd.

And I had hoped to appeal to your sense of self-awareness to help you avoid such a moment. To no avail, it appears.

To be quite honest, I haven't the foggiest idea how a place such as Cornerstone is run. I do not doubt that your sense about the existence of a "broad parish consensus" is true for many (most?) churches, but I *also* know of quite a few large churches where that is most emphatically *not* the case.

For instance, during the course of working on one of the campaigns I worked for, we learned that our opponent (happily, a Democrat) had enlisted many evangelical ministers as "consultants" in exchange for tacit (or outright) support from the pulpit, and/or an invitation to speak whenever this candidate wished. How many of these congregations were told of the arrangement that their ministers/pastors had entered into? My guess is, "not nearly all."

Again, there are many reasons to second-guess this kind of maneuver, and anti-evanglical bigotry isn't even the first one on the list. I myself oppose such a move because I think it perverts the function of the local church, as you know. Just because you don't know a similar fact about Neil's background doesn't mean you should assume the worst.

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I'm not aware that I've undertaken an odyssey betwixt candidates at all similar to yours.

In any case, you have particular views on parish roles in public life. So be it. We probably mostly agree on this point; but I don't derive a condemnation of Mike Huckabee from it.

As for your defense of Neil Stevens, again: whatever his background, his words are what they are. There's not much defense to be made of them on their own terms -- instead, there's special pleading that, by dint of the writer's personal history, they don't mean what they plainly mean.

Well.

Since leaving the employ of Brownback, I've gone from "leaning Fred" to now supporting Romney, and I'd be pretty much okay with McCain. In other words, I'm like a lot of Republican voters right now. That's not the point I was making. The point I was making was with the way we behave during the course of supporting various candidates.

As to the rest, I will say that the reason Neil's particular unstated beliefs became an issue in this discussion is because you ascribed a particular set to him.

The rest of this discussion will have to wait until after Christmas.

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Religion is Huckabee's entire campaign. Outside of his religious message, he's basically taking a John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton approach to the issues, except for abortion and marriage.

Yes indeed. John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton really do want to:

1) Win in Iraq.
2) Support General Petraeus.
3) Chase al Qaeda even in its Pakistani hideaways.
4) Double military spending as a proportion of GDP.
5) Contain Iran and deny it nuclear arms -- by force, if needed.

All things Mike Huckabee has espoused since his campaign began. Not that you'd know it from the conservative-establishment media.

Do all of the above and the world is going to like us even less, but that's okay with me. I don't see #5 as a family squabble.

"Honor is self-esteem made visible in action." - Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974

However, they probably shouldn't leave the Sunday School offering lying about.

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Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney