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If The Dems Make This Obamise, I'll Register And Vote "D" IMMEDIATELY!
But this is a circle they don't have the guts to square, so I'm in the clear
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The Democrat strategy that suggests the best way to solve Iraq's problems is to "get the hell out of the way and MAKE them fix this themselves" absolutely could be used right here in the good ole US of A. If they are so sure that forcing the Iraqi people to buck up, dust themselves off, and get after it would be the best strategy for them, why not square that circle with the American people? Are we stupid or something? Fear of being abandoned and left out hanging to dry seems the best remedy they have in mind for everybody else...why not us too?
Barack Obama said this in November 2006 about Iraq:
"Only through this phased redeployment can we send a clear message to the Iraqi factions that the U.S. is not going to hold together this country indefinitely -- that it will be up to them to form a viable government that can effectively run and secure Iraq."
And, he says THIS on his campaign website:
"The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving."
Like Hillary!, Nancy, Harry, and all the rest of these intellectuals and social philosophers, Obama wants us to believe the best way a people can attend to their own affairs is to get out of their way and let them fend for themselves.
OUTSTANDING! WAY TO GO! HUZZAH! WOO HOO!
Ok Barry, I'll make you and your buds on the left a deal.
More below the fold...
Renounce your suggestion that YOU (big Government liberalism) will attend to OUR affairs with regard to the private sector economy, take BACK your threats to decide for us how best we might deal with problems in public education, and apologize for thinking you know better than us about how best to address private family matters or manage our healthcare, and do so TODAY...
You guys apply that attitude HERE, and make THIS speech [ps-it's not plagiarism if I "steal" it from Obama so long as I change a few words...right?]:
"Our citizens have performed brilliantly in America, but no amount of American politicians can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's political partisanship civil war, that's why I have introduced a plan to not only stop the escalation of this government takeover of Americans' lives, but begin a phased redeployment of our political heroes that can pressure the every-day American citizen to finally reach a settlement with them and reduce or eliminate their continued dependence on the "teat that binds them."
"The American people have been asked to be patient too many times, too much time has been wasted, too many billions have been spent on the egos of our politicians and their special interest and lobby and personal fan club, and too many Americans have gone far too long waiting for promises to be kept that should never have been made in the first place. It's time for a policy that can bring a responsible end to this nonsense and send these political clowns home...MORE often and for LONGER periods of time. How many sessions of Congress do we really need anyhow...given what little they actually get DONE as they throw the American People's money around, like teenagers with their first credit card, on things nobody asked for and never really needed?"
...and I will register Democrat...TODAY...and vote for you.
M'kay?
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Ask not what you can do for your country...
by CSUFBomb
...ask what your country can do for you. Just words.
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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox
Sounds Nice....but
by Werewolf of London
Do you really think the GOP would embrace a walk away from Iraq - even in exchange for what Haystack would take in the deal?
Why not, werewolf? After all
by haystack
the war is lost, the surge failed, and we are all less secure because of it....AND, there's so much money we could be spending HERE were we to stop frittering it away on what is now a lost cause, and never should have been pursued in the first place-right?
Why WOULDN'T the GOP embrace an opportunity to work less, get more money (from Iraq) to throw around, and otherwise do as little as the Democrats have done while they've been running the show?
ps-sarcasm Werewolf...sarcasm...it's Friday-lighten up a bit...
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
Haystack - I respect your roll reversal technique
by Werewolf of London
And yes - I get your sarcasm, but you know that your point isn't all sarcasm.
I'd wager there is a part of you that would take the walk away from Iraq deal for severe cuts and/or elimination of a number of liberal domestic programs.
Fess 'up - you'd at least think hard about it.
LONG and hard...and I'd take a draw"down" too
by haystack
by the time (given the slow but continued "baby steps" from Iraq's parliament and the net gains of the Sunni awakening) we are drawn down to these mystical troop levels the Dems keep railing about, Iraq will be stable "enough" and we'll be very near by. Even the DEMS know we're not going far-and while they scream we should be in Afghanistan instead, we all know they won't actually go through with UPPING troop levels there after they spent so much freaking time and money screaming for the opposite in Iraq-they'll doom themselves-the anti-war crowd wants troops HOME, not moved to another theater...so we'll be in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or some other relatively near-by location.
Pulling back over the next 18 months is the best any reasonable thinking person can expect...and if in that same 18 months they did what I suggest in this piece?
I'm open to dialog my friend...
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
A Couple of Rebuttal Points
by Werewolf of London
1. I disagree with your point about the Dems and Afghanistan. I know a number of politically and deeply active Democrats (its unavoidable if you have a pulse in NYC) who have no problem with upping the ante in Afghanistan and even going into western Pakistan. These are the same folks you would call bleeding heart socialist liberals. They are not as institutionally dovish as you may believe.
2. I know you don't think you would be giving up much as you know as well as I that we will be drawing down to some degree even if McCain wins the GE. But the Dems want a time table for "all out". That means no troops, no bases, and no further commitment of any kind. The GOP would flat out reject this even if the Dems offered to eliminate social security.
Hmm...
by haystack
To #1, I don't doubt that in the least but I'm fairly certain there are not enough of those types of Democrats across all of Congress that would go along with that-
As for #2? You're probably right, but how awesome would it be to at least HAVE that debate, assuming the same level of toxicity from both sides of that argument...on par with how that immigration disaster went down? It might be worth it just to get that debate out in the open once and for all...excellent political theater at the very least, no?
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
I Concur
by Werewolf of London
I've had liberal associates ask me if I would trade eliminating the DEA and pardon all federal prisoners convicted of marijuana offenses in exchange for eliminating social security.
I would take the deal, and like you said these types of trade offers would make for great political theatre.
But no one who really has any power wants to put their nut sack on the line for a major trade of ideological sacred cows. They're simply too scared of blowback from their base if they happen to not like the deal.
yup-and well said <n/t>
by haystack
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
I just have a comment on
by indy2008 hantworth
I just have a comment on topic #1. I think there are a lot more hawkish Democrats when it comes to terrorism, I think most did not see or believe Iraq was part of that but in other places are quite comfortable using force.
Look at Obama's stance on Pakistan, he did state that he would attack terrorist targets within Pakistan with or with out approval from their government. That's a tough position and he is not loosing supporters with that stance at all.
If the Taliban started to make some big advances in Afghanistan I can easily see Democrats sending more troops. Iraq is the unpopular war with them, not Afghanistan.
the problem is that
by streiff
a lot of big name dems liked the idea of going into Iraq from 1996 (passage of the Iraq Liberation Act) onward and we see where they are now.
It is just asshattery to think about moving into Pakistan's tribal territories in a larger way than we already have. The people telling you that are just blowing smoke.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
The Iraq Liberation Act was
by indy2008 hantworth
The Iraq Liberation Act was clear in not calling for an invasion by US troops, it had a defined goal of hitting particular targets and supporting opposition groups in Iraq (Kurds) to fight for regime change. It was broadly supported by both Democrats and Republicans.
The Iraq Resolution was a call for invasion and arguably has had evolving goals, weapons of mass destruction, then regime change, then democracy and now stability. The shifting of the goal posts is maybe the source of so many people's frustration.
In regards to Pakistan, I do not believe Obama's position or anyone else's is invasion of Pakistan merely hitting targets when we have the intelligence on them. I'm thinking predator drone with a hellfire missle type hit but not waiting for Pakistan's OK on that. Perhaps you'd disagree with that approach.
Don't you have a Ron Paul rally to go to? (n/t)
by birdmojo
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
That cuts to the quick man... ;-) <n/t>
by haystack
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
Small point
by von
.... but it annoys me. From the subhead:
But this is a circle they don't have the guts to square, so I'm in the clear
Like the phrase "begging the question," the phrase "squaring the circle" is used incorrectly more often than it is used correctly.* It is literally impossible to "square a circle" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle). Thus, "squaring the circle" denotes an impossibility. In common parlance, saying that you've "squared the circle" means that you've done the impossible. Claiming that your efforts are like trying to "square a circle" equate to admitting to "waxing Quixotic", trying to "herd cats", or, for the Quixote double metaphor score,"tilting at windmills". Sarcastically praising someone for "squaring the circle" means that he found a facially appealing answer that happens to be completely wrong (for a long time, mathematicians believed that circles could be squared).
Saying, however, that "this is a circle they don't have the guts to square" is, as best understood, some kind of very confused praise for Sens. Obama or Clinton. It's something like, "Kudos to you, Sens. Clinton and Obama, for keeing your brains in your guts, and thereby having the guts to know that mathematicians proved in 1882 that a circle cannot be squared."
OK, off-point rant over.
von
*Don't even get me started on people who confuse Hobson's choice with Sofie's choice ... no, really, don't get me started. It's very, very boring.
For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
Don't take offense ...
by von
.... This is some kind of personality disorder with me. :-)
For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.
You know those HPV vaccine commercials?
by birdmojo
I yell "I WANT TO BE ONE *FEWER*!!!!" at the television when they come on.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
Okay, it's a deal!
by djames
But remember, since fair is fair, and we (anti-war-Barry types) never voted to give Bush the right to invade Iraq, we're allowed to use all the same manufacturing techniques and two-steps on the public in defining what "big Government liberalism" means-- just as the White House defined Iraq costs, duration, degree of resistance, troop numbers, deployment, rotations, stress, Intelligence and "progress" just shy of any ol' way.
djames, don't make me have to make you do...
by Moe Lane
...elementary civics research, 'kay? You lost the election, you lost the AUMF vote; so either accept that your free participation in both legitimizes both, or start an armed rebellion.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
...assign him an essay.
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The incompleteness theorem
by perien
I completely agree with the implications of this article.
It's all about ideological consistency; and for some reason it reminds me of Goedel's incompleteness theorem ... I have this notion that the only complete set of ideological axioms is comprised of conservative ideals. Libs'll try 'till their faces are blue (pun intended) to convince you otherwise, but we all know better (actually we don't but we should).
I heard a little sound clip from an Obama speech today. He said something like, "My name is ... " and the crowd erupted with applause.
I'm fast approaching a state of Hoover-worship -- and that's deep. If you know what I mean, I'll be your best friend.
言わぬが花
we are best friends :-)<n/t>
by haystack
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
translation
by perien
For those not well versed in Latin:
The man who is tenacious of purpose in a rightful cause is not shaken from his firm resolve by the frenzy of his fellow citizens clamoring for what is wrong, or by the tyrant's threatening countenance.
言わぬが花
well done, perien...NOW you KNOW me! <n/t>
by haystack
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
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