Next Week - Ukraine, NATO, MAP, ACM, And The Return of "The Axis of Weasels" (Updated)

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Promoted by AE because this issue should be on everyone's radar. There's more here.

(Scroll down to the end for the update - so as to not interfere with new readers of this.)

This is probably on no one's radar screen, but next week is going to be a very interesting one, with considerable long-term implications.

Do read on.

A whole bushel-basket of difficult issues are coming to a head later next week at the annual NATO summit meeting, which is going to be held in Bucharest. President Bush will be attending, and the summit is a stop on a larger (and very Skanderbeg-like :-) ) itinerary that begins in Kyiv (Kiev), moves on to Bucharest, then on to Croatia, and finally ends with a backtracking to Sochi (Russia).

There are a lot of things going on here, so let's try to use the President's itinerary to sort through it all.

The first stop is in Kyiv (Kiev), which essentially amounts to a preparation meeting for Bucharest. I'm in Ukraine relatively regularly, and it's funny how in recent years all the fractures and fault-lines in Europe seem to play out either in or with-regard-to Ukraine.

In recent years, Ukraine has been riven by a debate about what it should do vis-a-vis NATO. There is both a strong interest in moving toward NATO membership (as a way of cementing Ukraine's exit from a 350-year-long domination by Russia), and in avoiding NATO and retaining those "historic" sympathies and connections. There's just enough of an edge to the first viewpoint that Ukraine is hoping to be invited into the NATO "Membership Action Plan" (MAP) - which is basically a statement of intent from NATO to an aspiring country; the MAP states that the applicant country can be permitted to start down the road to membership and is given a road-map of conditions and standards (mostly bringing-up-to) that it is expected to fulfill, at the end of which it will be granted membership.

Not surprisingly, Russia is apoplectic about this development. But here's the thing to keep in mind - the bear can growl, but it has little power to influence events. I've had the chance to watch this going on in person in recent years (e.g., see this; Ukraine is sliding further and further away from Russia, and there's nothing Russia can do about it. This is significant and telling - Russia is not strong now, and don't let yourself backslide into thinking that it is just because the old USSR was such a (real) menace for so long. If you look at events, the only place where Russia has been able to influence events has been in the Transdniestr region - in other words, big, "strong" Russia is only able to pick on.... Moldova.

So next week, after President Bush's visit, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko will also journey to Bucharest to ask that Ukraine be entered into the NATO MAP process.

However, this may be problematic. Why? Good question. The majority of the present NATO members support Ukraine's accession into the MAP. That list includes, loudly and publicly, the US, Canada, and the eastern European member countries.

But.... well, guess who's back:

French and German leaders are leading the resistance to a Ukrainian MAP, in what some analysts are describing as the first time a non-NATO state, the Russian Federation, may impede a NATO decision through proxies, violating a key NATO principle of not giving veto influence to non-members.

“That principle could be breached for the first time in the alliance’s history, if Berlin and Paris lead an action to block the Georgian and Ukrainian MAPs at the Bucharest summit in deference to Russia’s opposition,” Vladimir Socor, a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation in Washington, wrote for the Eurasia Daily Monitor.

Yep. The infamous "Axis of Weasels" is back, with a vengeance. What are the weasels proposing?

French and German leaders may advocate for creating a neutral zone between NATO and the Russian Federation, consisting of Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia, Socor reported.

Well, this is a shocker. In the first case, it seems like a bad revival of German Chancellor Willy Brandt's disgusting "Ostpolitik" of the 1970s - which amounted to trying to turn Germany into some sort of supposed "neutral zone" in the middle of Europe as a buffer between NATO and the Warsaw Pact - though what it really meant was the slow Finlandization (!) of Germany into a quasi-Warsaw-Pact entity. Even worse, though, ponder what's going on in such a proposal - particularly if you are a citizen of Ukraine, Moldova, or Georgia. Sorry, but you have no say in the matter. Your betters, France and Germany, will put up a fence and ban you from westernizing, so that we can have a buffer zone between those of us already in "the club" and Russia. This amounts de facto to selling off the freedom of others for the illusion of protecting yourself from trouble. Neville Chamberlain must be shaking his head in his grave.

Why are France and Germany so scared of Russia's wrath? Well:

Europe is far more susceptible to Russian natural gas and oil prices than the US, receiving a quarter of its supply from Russia, which views Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia as its rightful sphere of influence.

This is a sad statement about the present condition of "old Europe." Russia is weak, but "old Europe" is now so enfeebled that it can't even fed off Russian threats. They (old Europe) should be ashamed of themselves for fading to the point where they can be rolled in this fashion.

There's a second piece in here that has to be made clear - both to Russia and to the cowards of old Europe. We Americans, like our forebears in the Roman Republic, do not recognize "spheres of influence". If these countries want to be free and open to the world, we will not trade them away to appease either the aggressive or the cowardly. Carthage and the Hellenistic monarchies never grasped this fundamental difference of Rome (vs. their own entrenched thinking), and we'd better make it crystal clear to both Russia and the Weasels.

Oh, and there's also this:

“Germany, at Russia’s behest, has led the way in mobilizing ‘old Europe’ to oppose NATO’s invitation to Ukraine into a MAP,” said Taras Kuzio, a visiting assistant professor of international affairs at The George Washington University.

I went on at length above about how the Weasel countries seem to be willing to trade away other countries for their own selfish purposes. But if you are from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, or Poland, the paragraph above should cause you to twitch uncontrollably. Germany and Russia had a grand old division agreement back in 1939 - and believe me, the Ribbentrop/Molotov agreement is still remembered there with the greatest fury. This is a farcical rerun of one of the greatest betrayals in history.

And one last note. It's not just Germany and France - it's the whole Axis of Weasels and then some:

The Netherlands are against Ukraine’s and Georgia’s joining NATO in near future. Foreign Minister of the Netherlands Maxime Verhagen stated on Wednesday in his speech in the Holland parliament.

So, the Netherlands joined the position of Germany, France, Belgium and Luxemburg [sic - ed.]. The USA and the Great Britain have the opposite points of views, they want Ukraine and Georgia to become NATO members as soon as possible.

(Emphasis mine.)

If you follow the link, you'll see that there are some weasel (!) words about "maybe it's best for them to wait a year" - but we all know what they really mean.

So this is worth watching next week. Georgia is important, but Ukraine is the big bowl of borshch. And keep track of this rare convergence-demonstration of all the fault lines.

In brighter news, another agenda item is the expected formal invitation to the "ACM" (Albania, Croatia, Macedonia) countries to join NATO. The ACM countries joined the MAP several years back, and have walked all the necessary steps. This is good news.

Well.... there is unfortunately one possible sour note in all this and yet another fault line to worry about. Greece is objecting to the invitation that's being extended to Macedonia, since Greece objects (I'm not making this up) to the country having that name. Contrary to what they say, the Greek objections have little to do with events of the 4th century B.C. and a great deal to do with events of the late 19th century and early 20th century - but all that is a topic for another day.

I hate to say it, but a good rule of thumb in the Balkans is that if Greece objects to something, it's probably a good idea. The foreign minister of Macedonia, Antonio Milososki (n.b. - I'd really like to see his family tree with a name like that), has an very eloquent piece in today's Wall Street Journal arguing (cogently) for Macedonia's inclusion in NATO.

So here's what we should hope for next week from Bucharest, and I'll take the occurrence of these as being very good news:

o The formal extension of NATO membership to Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia;
o The formal invitation to Ukraine and Georgia to join the MAP program and begin the journey that "ACM" are finishing.

From Bucharest, President Bush moves on to Croatia. I honestly don't know the formal reason for the visit, but it's probably in anticipation of the formal extension of NATO membership to Croatia. I think he's going to Zagreb, but if anyone in the planning is on the ball, they'll relocate proceedings to Dubrovnik.

After Croatia, President Bush ends the week by backtracking (since this is a recent scheduling addition) to Sochi in southern Russia to meet with Vladimir Putin. If you want another reason why bad old Vlad is more bark than bite.... he spends more time in Sochi than he does in Moscow. I can't say that I blame him (Sochi is more like Capri than it is like Moscow), but if he's so lazy that he'd rather lounge around in Sochi than call the shots in Moscow.... then he's no neo-Stalin. Apparently, Vlad wants to try one more time to talk President Bush out of missile defense, but I suspect it won't work. Hopefully, this one will be simple - Vlad complains, President Bush nods and says "Thanks for your input," briefs Vlad on how great things went in Kyiv, Bucharest, and Zagreb.... and then they go for a walk in Sochi's lovely botanical gardens.

It can be wished that this trip will get considerable coverage, but that seems unlikely, beyond some mood video of President Bush getting some tourist time at Kyiv's magnificent Orthodox churches.

But watch all this carefully. It's going to be a decisive week all along the way next week.

Update.

I dithered about whether or not I should add this update, but IJB's wondrous comment inspired me to go ahead and add this.

Because of my business interests in Ukraine, I'm on the mailing list of the US-Ukraine Foundation.

Earlier today, they sent out this e-mail alert:

We urge all our members and concerned Ukrainian Americans and their supporters to call the White House Comment Line at 1 202-456-1111 to urge that President George W. Bush lay a wreath at the Holodomor Memorial in Kyiv during his upcoming visit on April 1, 2008.

We have been given to understand that the President's office, when offered an invitation to do so, has given a counter proposal to lay a wreath only at the site of Ukraine's Unknown Soldier. While such an act of respect is appreciated, the victims of the Terror Famine were not in a position to defend themselves militarily.

We therefore strongly feel - if the President is to perform only one such ceremonial act of remembrance - that it is more fitting and responsive to the Ukrainian nation that this genocide perpetuated by Stalin be uniquely honored.

This situation is a bit of a surprise, since it would be pretty close to being a diplomatic gaffe. The haunting Holodomor Memorial is something of a sanctus sanctus in contemporary Ukraine.

If President Bush is going to be doing any wreath-laying in Kyiv next week, this is where it should be.

One wonders what's going on in Washington on this one. I can easily believe that it's staff cluelessness in the White House: "Whenever we have someone do a wreath-laying here, they do it at the Unknown Soldier Monument. Have they got one of those there? And what's this 'Humidor Memorial' anyway?"

However, one does hope that this isn't more numptiness from the usual suspects at the State Department, who are afraid of "upsetting Russia."

I don't know if flooding the switchboard does any good. But if anyone is reading this who can talk to anyone who matters.... please tell them to get this done right. The Ukrainians are extending a very high honor to President Bush by offering him the opportunity to place a wreath at the Holodomor Memorial. Land sakes, don't snub them - take it!

But that is about all I can say about it for now.

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is the former German PM who slimed the US five years ago and is now running the Russian-German "Friendship Pipeline." The Neo-Communist ultra-left has just won some state and provincial elections and the "Coalition" at the top is all atwitter at being outflanked. The French are quickly reverting to Chiraqian perfidy. Et tu, Luxembourg!?

I'm shocked, shocked.

Hopefully, GWB will regrow the pair he seems to have misplaced in the recent past [aside from his manly support of the surge!]

Can anyone imagine what Obama would do? Or rather Holbrooke, the Cagliostro behind the feckless Dem foreign policy cabal?

Great write up Skandy by simpson316

Thanks for keeping us informed. This one would have totally gone under the radar for me.



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and scandals involving politicians have kept this out of the headlines, where it should be.

Let's hope this gets more play, it is a really important issue.

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In some ways, NATO now seems broken. Other than us, the only countries that seem to bring anything to the table militarily are Turkey and maybe Britain. The other countries are content to live comfortably under our security guaranty while we pick up the check for defense costs so they can splurge on social welfare.

NATO proved to be a great thing when the Soviet Union was bent on world domination. But those days are past and its not entirely clear what role NATO really serves. I don't think its acquitting itself particularly well in Afghanistan.

So I think its fair to take a step back and ask if we really want to commit ourselves to going to war to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova. If there's a military incident someday between Moldova and Russia, we're obligated to spill American blood to defend Moldova- does that make sense?

You seem very adamant that NATO admission for these countries is the right thing to do. I'd be in favor of say a free trade treaty to anchor these guys to the democratic west, but in terms of military defense treaties, I think we need to ask "what's in it for us" and "is there any limit to the number of countries we will obligate ourselves to defend." That's not a Neville Chamberlain issue, its a Franz Ferdinand issue, where one minor conflict rippled through so many treaty commitments that it blew up into WWI.

I think you'll find the UK is pretty seriously comitted in Afganistan and for that matter a UK SAS member was killed the other day on a raid in on Al-Q in Bagdad.

If you feel this doesn't count then fine we'll be off, but you better find some more troops to deploy in Helmand.

the UK has real rules of engagement, not the cocktail hour rules of the other NATO countries

unlike Turkey, UK troups have sufficient training and equipment to actually operate in conjunction with US forces in a meaningful way. Besides maybe Australia, no once else has any real operational compatibility. Poland has some good special forces, but there are still language and equipment obstacles.

The UK rocks. I just hope more people read the book Londonistan (or is it Londonstan?)

It's not that I think these countries shouldn't be let into NATO. It's that I think there should no longer be a NATO! (or, at least, the U.S. should no longer be in NATO).

I think it's time for a top-to-bottom review of American foreign policy, especially in regards to Europe.

If our top foreign policy challenges are some combination of Islamofascism, China and Russia (and not necessarily in that order), then it's hard to see how Europe, as presently constituted, really helps us in any of that.

It's time for the U.S. to dump these large "multilateral" organizations and go much more bilateral or "small"-multilateral.

In other words, the U.S. should look at Europe, and decide 1) which countries actually have capable military forces, and/or 2) which ones we really need for important strategic reasons, and focus on making meaningful military alliances with those, and dump the rest.

By my reckoning, that means the U.S. should stay engaged with pretty much all of Eastern Europe (except Serbia and Greece), up to and including the Baltics and the Caucasus, and possibly the U.K., Italy and Turkey, and consign the rest of Europe (especially France, Spain, Benelux, Germany and Scandinavia) to the ash-heap of history.

While I'm on the subject, what is it with the number of posters on RedState who are worried about what the Russians think?! Considering the current government there, I can't say I give a hoot whether we hurt the Russians' feelings or "consult" with them on much of anything.

Here, here, IJB. :-)

(Long-term, I think you're actually right about NATO. But for the short-term it's the best we've got, and it has a cachet that the EU definitely does not - NATO includes the United States, and so for the newer countries it is a starter alliance with us. But that's a story for another day. And Russia is considerably weaker than too many people think, and much weaker than the USSR ever was.)

What that thinking amounts to is what is (self-)known as the "realist" (sic) school of thought. The notion is that the way to deal with unsavory jurisdictions is to agree to draw some lines on the map, promise not to interfere with anything they do inside those lines, promise to ignore all the screams from their victims, and ask them to promise to just leave us alone.

That was de facto policy to the "Arab world" for half a century, and look where that got us.

In addition, the 2004 "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine was a genuine, democratic uprising. It would be unforgivable to tell them, "Sorry, folks, but we cut a deal with Russia and have sold you back to them. Pity that. Best of luck."

It's almost incomprehensible to recall that that was exactly what the "realists" back in the 1980s were saying was the quick and slick way to end the Cold War and achieve "peace" with the Soviet Union. That is, all we had to do was agree to the line of their empire (and its hangers-on) and do nothing to disturb them.... or even comment on what was going on "in there".... and in return it was expected that they would be nice to us.

Well, Ronald Reagan said, "That just will not do." I've been Over There enough to know that he was right, and we are admired and respected for not buying into the permanent sovietification of hundreds of millions of people.

My first journey behind the old Iron Curtain was many years back, into Tallinn, Estonia, of all places. It was a late afternoon in late summer, and I sat with some colleagues in an outdoor café on the main square. The air was still warm, the cafés were packed, there were people scurrying to and fro in the square.... it was all so normal and unoppressed and free of fear. A single thought crossed my mind: Well how about that. It really was all worth it.

That was a wonderful moment. Here's another that would never have happened if the "realists" had had their way....


not yet worried.

NATO is at least useful from a political standpoint. If things get bad, NATO can become militarily useful again sometime in the future.

The biggest advantage to NATO is with respect to New Europe. Countries like Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. need a NATO to allow them to be truly independent.

There is a reason why the Russians are so opposed to NATO expansion, and it has everything to do with counteracting the Russian sphere of influence.

I am all on board with protecting Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary (if they still want in), Romania, Bulgaria, (The) Ukraine, the Baltics, and Georgia and the other Caucasus. And constraining Russia.

But we don't need NATO to do that anymore.

We should create a new alliance among the U.S., these nations, and (if they want in) the UK, or Italy, or Turkey (or Ireland?... I'm pretty sure the Canadians are too skittish to get in, even under the Conservatives), and anyone else (Australia? Israel?) who wants to get in, and who meets our joining criteria.

What we need to do is get out from under this moribund alliance otherwise known as NATO which is filled with nations without operational militaries, and with nations whose main purpose in staying in NATO is to "constrain American interests".

If NATO can't do Afghanistan, they can't do anything.

The U.S. doesn't need this B.S. anymore. And NATO is obsolete anyway.

Out with old (Europe), in with the new (Europe)! It really is time for a change.

(P.S. I guess this makes me a Rumsfeldian! Whoo-ya!!)

see today's Wallstreet Journal

I am sympathetic to junking the UN for a League of Democracies, but it helps Poland et al to be linked to France et al.

If you ask the folks that we both want to protect, they would vote overwhelmingly to stay in NATO and expand NATO

Russia's bite is bigger then we think. This is especially true because of the increasing friendliness of China and Russia. Lets not forget also that Russian bombers however technologically inept are still breaching our airspace and our allies airspace. The largest threat though is Russia's ineptitude to secure its Nuclear weapons.

I've created some prediction markets on this topic and linked them back to this blog post here:

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_Ukraine_or_Georgia_join_NATO_in_2008...
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_the_United_States_get_involved_in_a_...
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_USA_and_Russia_reach_a_deal_on_Missi...

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I don't know what the Romans thought about them, but in modern history spheres of influence have been long-standing and sensible arrangements. What was the Monroe Doctrine but that? Haven't we enough enemies as it is without meddling in Russia's backyard? Let's be squalidly practical for once, what have we to gain by inflating this moribund entity called NATO any further?

Really, we and Russia are the ones who should be in alliance. They need time to rebuild their nation and protection molestation from China and Islam. We can help them there. We need a secure source for oil and gas. And they can help us there. It doesn't have to be a torrid love affair, a cold eyed partnership based on mutual dangers and mutual opportunities is sufficient.

I'm glad we're discussing this finally, but please let's think this through.

sorry for the typo by crankycon

I meant to say:

They need time to rebuild their nation and protection from China and Islam.

...that the French/German objections to a Ukrainian MAP were rooted in worries about the readiness of Ukraine to join the Eurozone and submit to the variety of fiscal-discipline rules, and blah-blah-blah.

Instead, the story references only French/German concerns about the Russians retaliating through natural gas prices and supplies.

It's quite true that the Europeans have no readily-substitutable alternative to Russian gas, so the potential for blackmail is real.

Are the Europeans weasels? They have definitely walked away from military power as a geopolitical tool, and done so with their eyes open. Without it, they're left with only the policy tools available to the weak.

Speaking generally, the Europeans have played this game well over the decades, and there is significant upside in terms of economics. But of course there are limits, as the Russians are eager to remind them.

Again it's often a poor shortcut to think of Europe as having a single viewpoint or approach. Military spending in the UK and France is high compared the others. Germany feeds inhibited over military commitments due to history. Other countries will take very different lines here and there (Spain not recognising Kossevo, The Czechs taking an stronger line on Cuba, differences between Poland and Germany over Russia, etc etc). For that matter in foreign policy France under Sarkozy is a different animal to France under Chirac.

have both the military structure and the political will to challenge Russia.

I read the French (even with Sarkozy) as being fully and permanently committed to Franco-German solidarity as the organizing principle for continental Europe. France's postwar military is better adapted for the (now superfluous) task of holding a colonial empire and for being a global arms merchant, rather than for a continental war.

The currency union is at least as strategic for both the French and the Germans as military power is. More so, I would argue. That's why both governments are basically willing to totally trash the Eurozone economy this year in an attempt to quell inflation.

The British have a very different view of continental security arrangements, and a very differently-organized military, as you point out. But they have no particular need to challenge the Russians because they're energy-independent.

I do believe in spheres of influence. I think Nato has outlived it's usefulness. Russia may be weak right now but Europe is weaker, indeed nearly dead. An we are vastly overextended.

It is high time to reconsider all of our commitments. If it is up to the USA to confront the Islamic threat, we cannot also confront China and Russia. Better to partner with them, divide the world into areas of influence, and try to use our leverage to get them to cooperate on things like suppressing terrorism.

I know this is not a popular view, but it is a realistic one.

Let me ask you this question. Suppose a resurgent Russia threatened to annex some of the eastern European nations? Do you honestly think our "allies" in Europe would do anything more than bluster? No, it would be totally up to us, and maybe the Poles to intervene, and should we? I would say it would be impossible and suicidal. So why make a sham alliance which will no longer act?

The exact same thing goes for China. We are in no position to intervene if China does something risky.

We have to pick our fights, and re-asses our commitments. I would also like to begin to save a little money when our commitment to Iraq finally begins to wind down. We can no longer fight every fight, bear every burden, for a hateful and ungrateful world, nor should we be asked to.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

In an unstable world, problems will alway spill over our borders. So even if they hate us for it,a nd even if others benefit as much as we do, I can't see us isolating ourselves out of the War.

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it was a bad idea when Woodrow Wilson presented it, and it has never gotten any better. Clearly not every war on earth will spill over to us in any significant way.

Absent some overarching ideology like international communism there is no real reason for us to ever fight against nation states unless they become havens for terrorists, or if they invade a treaty ally. This is why historically too many alliances can get nations into trouble. (remember WWI ?)

There is one aspect of Left wing Criticism which is accurate. When they say that we have caused many of our own problems in the world. I think this is demonstrably true.

The other little trick you always pull (and other like you) is to wield the word "isolation" like some sort of talisman.

That is like Obama shouting racism against everyone who disagrees with him. You know damn well that what I advocate is not isolationism, it is realism. It is beneath you to continue to do that.

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I'd like to see us work to undo this west-versus-Russia situation. Not that it is our fault, but there is no reason for Russia to be on the outside looking in. If they feel isolated and threatened, the result will only be bad in the long term.

We invited them into the G7. We invited them into the NATO Partnership for Peace. That's economic and military cooperation right there.

What more is there we can do? If they don't want it, it won'th appen.

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...I'd venture to suggest that they're playing (as they naturally do) a pure game of Realpolitik.

When energy prices are high, the Russians are aggressive and nasty. When they're not, they're not.

This year may be an interesting exception. Even though oil prices are at historic highs, the amount of foreign direct investment in Russia is actually falling sharply. (That's because of the global credit crisis.)

The Russians have fallen out of the habit of actually building their own economy and are depending on FDI to do it for them. They're going to see major inflation and other economic dislocations this year.

If I'm right about all that, then you can expect to see them puff out their chests and bluster, but ultimately to pull in their horns when push comes to shove (as the Iranians also are).

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Sarkozy and Merkel are both conservative leaders.

So logically if they are against it just imagine how much opposition there really must be to Ukraine getting in NATO in each of those countries.

One must assume the opposition is universal in those countries from the left to the right.

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The main rival parties being SPD in Germany and the Socialists in France would be far stronger against it than CDU/CSU of Germany and UMP which is France's largest conservative political party.

French Centrist Party bosses like Chirac's heir François Bayrou aren't going to be in favor of this and they would also use this to hobble Sarkozy.

Sarkozy has been elected to a full 7 year term but can still be weakened if his party loses seats.

Yet SARKOZY is safer than MERKEL because like most of Europe Germany has a parlimentary system and they can call elections at almost anytime.

The last thing we want is the leftist parties back in power in Germany and France.

I'm personally undecided on this issue of Ukraine and Georgia getting into NATO.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS CULTURAL , HISTORICAL , and Military aspects to this that must be considered and very carefully studied.

Some examples:

Ukraine has a Russian population of nearly 20%

Another 15% of Ukrainains are of mixed Ukraine and Russian Parentage.

39% of the citizens of Ukraine speak Russian and not Ukrainian.

Kievan Rus which is the birthplace of the 3 Eastern Slavic nations of Russia , Ukraine, and Belarus (White Russia).

Russia has a huge naval base in Sevastapol Ukraine that doesn't expire until 2017 furthermore it is located in the Ukraines only Autonomous Republic which is Crimea and has more Russians than Ukrainians.

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Georgia is even more complicated than Ukraine and it is located in the Caucasus which like the Balkans is a powderkeg just waiting to go off.

This is due to the smorgasbord of ethnic and religious hatreds and rivalries which go back 1000's of years.

It's historically very unstable and seems hopelessly divided.

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Dying Bears can still be dangerous especially ones with nuclear weapons pointed our way.

President George W. Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush, accompanied by President Victor Yushchenko and his wife Mrs. Kateryna Yushchenko, pay their respects at the Holodomor Memorial Tuesday, April 1, 2008, in Kyiv, Ukraine. The Holodomor Memorial is a remembrance to the victims 1932-1933 Ukrainian famine. White House photo by Eric Draper

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