Permit me to give all of you heart attacks.
*All* of you.
By Moe Lane Posted in 2008 | I am an evil man | yes. — Comments (43) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
See this clip, courtesy of Hot Air? The one where she indicates, her or nobody?
Yeah. That one. Guess what that means? It means that if Obama gets the nod, look to see the Unity Ticket From Hell:
McCain/Clinton 2008.
You heard it here first.
Moe Lane
PS: Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a flash mob to flee.
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John McCain endured 5 1/2 years at the hands of the North Vietnamese. There is no way he is going to subject himself to torture again.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
January 21, 2009: The Inauguration of President Hillary
(after a most unfortunate accident following the Inaugural Ball for President McCain on January 20, 2009.)
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did a splendiforous job with it -- totally pwned -- phony video and all. That post was quite Moey*, indeed.
But Moe wouldn't lie to us like that.
Would he?
Grab your pitchforks and be after that man!
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* but no footnotes
Gone 2500 years, still not PC.
they would be drunk on vodka all the time.
"in order to save it (from disenfranchisement*)"
* defined as losing elections
I never expected her to come out and say these things. We all knew it, but for her to say it on Fox News? Heh.
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
She now has absolutely zero respect for the Netroots, and is openly flaunting it in order to get her message out to the superdelegates.
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
Because no libs will see it then.
They also read us. They can't get enough of us in fact.
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
Particularly the ones from dKos. You'd think that they'd respond to us the way we do to opposite-ideology blogs with 1/20th the traffic; which is to pretty much ignore them. Instead, they just keep watching us.
It's weird.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
They are obsessed with us. They talk about Rush constantly. Dems define their lives by their political enemies and all that they are against. Look at Sean Penn railing like an utter (and inarticulate) nutjob about Fox News. We'd go on just fine if all Dems and libs disappeared en masse (a kind of liberal Rapture but not to Heaven ;-) ) but without conservatives, FNC, Rush, etc., Dems would lose their reason for living. They'd have to invent us.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
and streetwise is absolutely on the right tract.
If "The Hill" can't get the nod, then the Clinton camp will do all it can to knock the legs out from under Obama so that McCain would win.
Then, she'd be free to take a run at in 2012, instead of waiting until 2016.
She won't play second fiddle to anyone, especially a Republican. She has already effectively been Vice President for 8 years, and clearly didn't like it. She wants to be top dog, king of the hill, CinC, all of that.
You won't see her run with McCain, but for McCain, that's the secret!
I think you have hit the nail on the head as to why Hillary persists in her campaign. She knows full well that her chances would be nil after 8 years of Obama and that a McCain presidency is her only choice. I can imagine that the moment McCain would be declared president-elect, she and Bill would be on the phone with those superdelegates saying, "I told you so."
She is going to be sure that if she goes down this year, she takes the Obama Movement in the Democratic party with her...
Not in this reality. My prediction is NO ONE who wins this year will get a 2nd term.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
Well, that's true...any of the three would have a tough road to re-election. But still, if Obama were elected, Hillary would have to unseat him as sitting president as nominee to get a crack at it in 2012. So, for all intents and purposes, she would be out of the game until 2016 whether Obama won a second term or not.
That's what we thought about Bill Clinton. You should NEVER assume that.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
Don't you people get it? Hillary has been through too much and she DESERVES the Presidency! :) It is her birthright.
Liberals believe the ends justify the means. Hillary will attempt to ram that lesson down everyones throat.
Ask not what I can do for my country, ask what my country can do for me. Washington Elected Elite
I don't see the problem. Besides, VP is your foot in the door to the Oval Office.
McCain is not dumb enough to make the only thing between Hillary Clinton and her lifelong ambition be his death.
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
and Hillary will be sworn in on January 21, 2009...
Didn't Hillary sign a pledge last year not to campaign in Florida and Michigan and to support the DNC's decision to punish those early states by not counting their delegates?
Why isn't she being called out on this?
Some definition of "is" thing.
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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.
But she did win by being on the ballot.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
strictly from a public speaking standpoint, that's the most bearable HRC has sounded ever (IMO).
she wasn't shrilly or shrieking. she wasn't speechy...she was just fervent.
in other words, it didn't make my skin crawl as bad to hear her voice during that interview.
Now don't everyone laugh all at once (or puke), but this isn't a half-bad idea. Twenty-eight percent of Hillary's voters say that they won't vote for Obama; however, that number will probably be higher by the end of the Democratic primary with all of these moronic Obama supporters calling for Hillary to get out of the race and with more Reverend Wright clips surfacing. Now, look at who votes for Hillary--soccer/security moms, Latinos, Reagan Democrats, and seniors--all of these people have voted Republican in the past and like John McCain. If Clinton could even bring thirty percent of her voters over to McCain, then you'd have an unbeatable ticket. Not to mention, I think that Hillary on the ticket would turn out the women's vote huge in the general election. Besides, many of Hillary's female voters would love to engage in some revenge voting because they feel that the media has treated her so unfairly.
On a side note, believe it or not, Hillary wouldn't have to flip-flop that much to run with McCain in the GE. Hillary has said in debates that she doesn't want a timetable to pull out of Iraq--Obama has said that he does. Hillary has said that she doesnt want to sit down immediately with dictators during the first year of her presidency--Obama has said that he does. Hillary has said that she doesn't want to invade Pakistan--Obama has said that he does. Hillary has said that she doesn't want to raise capital gains taxes to pay for social security--Obama says that he does. Hillary has never apologized for her Iraq war vote and doesn't rail against the Iraq war nearly as much as Obama has. Obama has run an anti-NAFTA campaign, where as Hillary's husband passed NAFTA. And finally, McCain and Hillary are pretty much on the same page regarding illegal immigration (much to some people's dismay here.) Anyway, strange as it may sound, I think that Hillary would actually have to flip-flop on more issues if she ran as Obama's veep than if she ran as McCain's veep--probably why the net-roots hate her so much. The only major issue that she would have to flip-flop on to run with McCain would be how long we stay in Iraq--and like Ann Coulter pointed out, she could always justify that be saying she was running in a Democratic primary. Y'all have a good night.
1) Hillary as McCain's VP would negate McCain's key selling point to independent, which would swing these voters strongly towards Obama. Talking about "old" vs. "new" politics!
2) Adding Hillary's stratospheric negatives among Republicans with McCains's lukewarm acceptance (at best) would probably leave less than 25% of Republicans who would vote for this ticket.
3) We'd need to practice saying "zero electoral votes" and "fillibuster-proof Senate".
4) Not to mention the likely outcome if somehow, despite this all, you were right and John McCain won the election.
I personally think that just the novelty alone of a "unity" ticket would attract a lot of independent voters. I mean, when was the lat time that America had a real bipartisan ticket--sometime in the nineteenth century? Besides, it could shoot a hole in Obama's whole theme as the "unifying" candidate. Who would vote for the most liberal senator in the US Senate--if they were interested in post-partisanship and national unity--when they could vote for a real bipartisan ticket with two candidates who have actually worked and reached across the isle on bills? Furthermore, I think that McCain and Hillary have genuine respect and affection for each other, whereas I'm pretty sure that there is no love lost between Hillary and Obama. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong . I'm a med student, not a political analyst. :-)
With Hillary riding shotgun, you just might have a point there.
However, I suspect that Hillary's conversion to Republican Vice Presidential candidate would have the same effect on her follower's as Shabbethai Zebi's conversion to Islam did.
That is, this would be far more likely viewed as political cynicism rather than novel or bipartisan.
McCain should head the ticket. He won the Republican nomination (bear in mind I write this assuming that Hillary will lose the Dem nomination), and his negatives are lower than Hillary's are. However--
A.) I do think that Hillary has a significant "base" of voters that she could bring to the ticket who would rather vote for McCain than Obama--along with a bunch of women voters in the GE.
B.) Part of the reason why Obama is doing so well (not the ONLY reason) is because of the "historical nature" of his ticket--i.e., electing "The first black president" (Ferraro is right). Well, a McCain/Hillary ticket would be an even more "historical" ticket--"The first bipartisan ticket in over a hundred years that has a war hero running for president with the first woman vice-president, who is also the wife of a former president of the opposite party". Anyway, on paper, it does sound pretty cool. :-)
"Mixing chemicals sounds pretty cool too, until you add some heat"--very funny. I'm going to sleep too. Can't believe I'm up so late. Have a good night. :-)
If we're gonna have a unity ticket, I'd rather have Lieberman than Hill. Think that's slightly more plausible, too. (Though still not terribly plausible.)
I think that McCain might make Lieberman Secretary of Defense. The problem with putting Lieberman on the actual ticket, though, is that Lieberman is not liked by many Democrats and many don't even consider him a "real Democrat". Therefore, Hillary would feel like much more of a real "unity" ticket to many Democrats. Besides Lieberman does not have the base of voters (security moms, Latinos, seniors, and Reagan Dems) that Hillary has that consider themselves loyal Democrats, but would also vote for McCain in large numbers over Obama. Hillary is in a very unique position.
Remember when Lieberman tried for the nomination in 2004--he barely registered at like 4 or 5%. Besides, Dems just recently primaried him in 2006. Bottom line, he ain't too popular in Democratic circles.
Hillary is also a really seasoned debater and has had the whole election season to perfect her skills. She would eviscerate, in the VP debates, anyone that Obama chose a his running mate.
Anyway, I think the reason why we haven't had a "unity" ticket in over 100 years, is because both sides would have to compromise greatly, and most people naturally don't like to compromise. Just my take anyway.
Sorry, my subject is supposed to read "I think that this would be a novel ticket".
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