Obama v. Reagan on Patriotism
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Barack Obama wants to redefine patriotism. Isn't that like trying to redefine water? When Democrats try to redefine an American ideal or institution, it is usually because the traditional American view makes them uncomfortable or offends them. So rather than try to figure out why they are out of the mainstream, they simply redefine it.
The Washington Post tries to help Obama in his quest to redefine patriotism. The title itself is disturbing.
Obama Faces Test in Asserting His Own Brand of Patriotism
As Sen. Barack Obama tries to secure the Democratic presidential nomination and turn his attention to the presumptive GOP nominee, Sen. John McCain -- a war hero who survived more than five years in enemy captivity -- he is facing a crucial test of one of his driving themes: redefining what it means to be a patriot.
After watching past Democratic candidates wither under Republican attacks, Obama has sought throughout his campaign to present his own vision of patriotism, with a call for uniting the country and restoring its values that is, in its way, as redolent with gauzy American exceptionalism as the "shining city upon a hill" of Ronald Reagan.
Well there's a big leap. Obama wants to redefine patriotism, so Obama is like Reagan.
Please.
Read on.
Reagan lived patriotism. Reagan breathed patriotism. When you listened to him speak about American greatness, it had a visceral effect. It made you proud. It made you cry. Americans Rangers at Pointe du Hoc on D-Day. Challenger astronauts "touching the face of God" in January 1986. Calling out Gorbachev in the Evil Empire's front yard, and telling him to tear down the Berlin Wall.
Click any of those links and listen to Ronaldus Magnus. Obama is no Reagan.
Those are patriotic speeches. They are rallying speeches. They move you and make you proud to be an American. Like the National Anthem. Like "Proud to be an American." Like the roar of fighter jets over a parade or football game. Like small children at the curbside on the 4th of July waving tiny American flags as the marching bands go by.
Well then, what does Obama want to redefine? Is our patriotism broken? Is it dissatisfying? What is it about those things that makes him uncomfortable?
You know who doesn't like that stuff? People that think America's faults outweigh her best attributes; The blame America first crowd; People who aren't proud of all the good their country has done for hundreds of millions of oppressed and starving people all over the world; And of course, America's enemies really hate that stuff. In short, find out who doesn't like traditional American patriotism and you will find out who doesn't like America.
Back to the Post.
In forceful tones, [Obama] has warned against using the Sept. 11 attacks to "scare up votes instead of as a way to bring the country together," condemned the "politics of fear," and demanded an end to the "mind-set that got us into war" in Iraq. When asked in October why he does not wear an American-flag pin on his lapel, he took the question head-on, saying he had worn one after the terrorist attacks but had stopped because it "became a substitute for . . . true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security."
Would Reagan ever have said talking about 9/11 was the politics of fear? Would it ever have crossed Reagan's mind that by not wearing an American flag lapel pin he would be more patriotic? That is a bunch of liberal reverse-psychology gobbledygook. People wear the pin because it represents America and they love America. It's just that simple.
It looks like Obama's New Patriotism is selling about as well as New Coke did.
A poll released last week by the Pew Research Center showed that 61 percent of voters viewed Obama as patriotic, compared with 76 percent for Clinton and 90 percent for McCain.
On patriotism McCain leads Obama 90% to 61%. How can Obama win in that match-up? Of all the traits we seek in a president, isn't it at least a given that the candidates are patriotic?
But I guess Obama knew he had a patriotism problem from the beginning.
Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist unaffiliated in the primary, said Obama's patriotic talk early in the campaign was a shrewd attempt to reshape the debate to guard against a future vulnerability. "In successful campaigns, you recognize your potential liabilities and figure out how to turn them into strengths," he said.
What candidate has ever had a lack of patriotism as one of their "potential liabilities" that had to be manipulated to fool the American people into thinking it was a strength?
You only need to redefine patriotism if you don't have it. Because if you have it, you love it just the way it is.
Bill Dupray at The Patriot Room
The most dangerous kind.
Bill Dupray at The Patriot Room
Russert asked Obama on MTP yesterday how he would respond to attacks on his patriotism. His answer, "The fact that I'm running for president right now is an indication of how much I love this country, because it has given everything to me."
Huh? I am beyond words.
Patriots know patriotism when they see it. It can't be faked. He doesn't feel it because he doesn't know it. He gives an answer like that because it is what apatriotic or unpatriotic people say when they are trying to say the right thing.
Bill Dupray at The Patriot Room
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
to express your discontent with the government is uniquely American. THAT is what I love about this country. Genuine dissent and discussion are patriotic when done in the interests of the country and its people. Loving everything that can be described as American just because it can be described as American isn't patriotic, it's willful ignorance. Toeing the party line is no more "patriotic" than doing everything your buddy tells you to do is "friendship."
Exercising a god-given right that is enshrined in our constitution is in no way patriotic. Defending that constitution and preserving our way of life when you don't particularly care for all its idiosyncratic details -- now that's patriotic. When Scalia says he takes a particular position because the constitution demands it, when he personally wishes that congress would legislate otherwise, that's patriotic. Willfully casting a popular vote for someone who would appoint judges who will flagrantly violate the constitution to install their own particular brand of anti-Americanism -- well you can guess my opinion about that. Supporting our troops in their efforts to win a war that will help preserve for all time the aforementioned right, at the same time keeping sharia law at bay is patriotic. Pulling them out of a conflict before it is resolved in our favor is criminal. Debate and dissent are not patriotic, they are a duty. Patriotism is the other thing -- like morals and devotion and faith you would know what it is if you had any.
Obama is like the evil Mirror Universe version of Reagan...pretty much the polar opposite in every way. If only Obama would grow a goatee...
This is exactly what I thought when I read that Washington Post article.
McCain could have an incredible moment in one of the debates if he says, "Senator Obama, patriotism doesn't need to be redefined. Speaking out on issues is commendable, but that's not the definition of patriotism. Patriotism is loving your country, being proud of our history of creating modern democracy and bringing freedom to hundreds of millions of people, and putting your country ahead of yourself. If you feel a need to change that definition, then count me out. When I was tortured in Vietnam for American secrets I never gave in because I love my country and our brave soldiers fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world are serving because they love their country. American patriotism is our country's greatest asset. Senator Obama, it does not need to be "redefined"."
"true patriotism...is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security."
Sounds like "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" to me.
What is the highest form of dissent? Treason?
Obama is an eloquent, intelligent leader who will make a wonderful president. It will be nice after 8 years of a corrupt moron who is incoherent. A moron who brags about not reading. As for Reagan, he did a nice job tripling the national deficit. Also, that pesky Iran-Contra affair. But I guess one should give him a pass because he did have Alzheimer's while in office. Hopefully, the Democrats can retain control of the Congress in addition to winning the White House. That way, decent people will have at a minimum 2 years to begin to correct the horrible mess that this country has become, thanks to Dumbya and Co.
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1. Bush bragging about not reading
2. Bush is corrupt
3. Obama is eloquent? I think not. See video proof:
4. Reagan had Alzheimers in office? Again cite medical evidence.
Oh, you don't have proof?
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He "bragged" about not reading the newspapers. from a 2003 interview with Brit:
"I have great respect for the media," he said. "I mean, our society is a good, solid democracy because of a good, solid media. But I also understand that a lot of times there's opinions mixed in with news."
Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
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It really would be a waste of time for you to make phone calls for the Obama campaign right now. Of course, if you had only been a better person, he might not be in the mess that he's in right now - so possibly you really are right to avoid trying to "help"...
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No question that Barak is intelligent and eloquent.
He's also completely inexperienced and has chosen to associate himself with people who as so obsessed with the mistakes this country has made that they think that bombing the Pentagon is a Good Thing. He's never done a thing politically that might be used against him (which means he's never done anything), and he thinks that if Iran mounts an unprovoked attack on a democratic ally of the US, our response should be a strongly worded letter to the Times.
Personally, I'd rather hanve a "moron" (who's grades in college were better than those of John Carrey or Al Gore), who had the political courage to fight the war that Clinton *should* have fought, rather than a smooth-talking Maxist.
By the way, there's a special on Troll Chow down at Walmart (lets see how you deal with THAT moral dillema).
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
This is in response to the recent "furor" over Barack Obama's reverend saying that "the chickens have come home to roost" with regard to terrorism and the US. Reverend Wright does make some vile statements, but this one is unfortunately
true. Perhaps we should examine the facts, although it is probably much easier to label the concept that the US has reaped what it has sown as "un-American" or saying it is a "Blame America First" mentality. The mastermind of the 9/11
attacks, Osama bin Laden (who incidentally is still at large, thanks to the great successes of Bush's "War on Terror"), has declared the 2 reasons, on a number of occasions, why he perpetrated that awful crime. The first is the US
presence in his homeland, Saudi Arabia. The second is US support for the murderous, terrorist regime of Israel. Both of the above are facts, things that the US government has done (my opinion of Israel is an exception, of course). But the bottom line is, why would Osama bin Laden lie about his true motivations for doing what he did? That would be tantamount to a criminal, already tried and convicted, lying about their motivation. It would be pointless. That said, the 2
reasons are empirical facts, and actions taken by the US government. It's terrible that innocent US citizens died because of the actions of our government, but perhaps if the citizenry better educated itself and elected solid, strong leaders, and not the current corrupt, incompetent, megalomaniac, the actions of our nation would not engender enough animosity among fanatics to make them target the US with terrorist attacks. Finally, labeling someone
"un-American" because they present facts, albeit unpleasant ones, is rather intellectually devoid, in addition to being disingenious.
Your post is full of ignorance from start to finish, but I'll just concentrate on the following drivel:
The second is US support for the murderous, terrorist regime of Israel. Both of the above are facts, things that the US government has done (my opinion of Israel is an exception, of course). But the bottom line is, why would Osama bin Laden lie about his true motivations for doing what he did?
It's always Israel that smokes out folks like this. Terrorists and their sympathizers love to claim that Israel is 'terrorist' despite the fact that Israel along with Turkey and the new Iraq is actually a democracy (or republic, if you prefer), as opposed to the autocracies elsewhere in the Middle East. And this cretin swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker. It says a lot about him that he's more willing to believe Osama bin Laden than he is his own twice-elected President.
jmk1502, you're not un-American because you're presenting facts (of dubious validity at best), you're un-American because you believe unquestioningly the propaganda of the enemies of the United States.
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He's worn his teeth down sharpening pointy sticks.
so it MUST be TRUE!!! Pretty ignorant.
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Actually, I agree with Wright, 9/11 *was* America’s chickens coming home to roost. I just follow a different logic trail.
First, we left the Afghans to their own devices after the Soviets left. If we’d gone in with humanitarian aid and supported the right people, the Taliban wouldn’t have ended up seizing power and turning the country into Disney Land for terrorists. But that would have looked "imperialist", and besides, we were too busy cashing in the “peace dividend” to do this.
Second, for over 20 years we’d allowed our enemies to attack and kill Americans overseas without responding, primarily because we were afraid to even admit that they WERE our enemies. We showed true weakness to a savage enemy, and they took advantage of it. From the Iran embassy to the Beruit barracks to the embassies in Kenya, to Mogadishu to the Cole, we proved to them time and again that they could kill Americans abroad with impunity; it was only a matter of time until they decided to find out if they could kill Americans at home.
Third, we established and maintained a punishing set of sanctions on an entire nation to punish the despot in charge, knowing full well that the sanctions were doing nothing but strengthening Saddam’s standing with the other thugocracies of the region. For twelve years we took food out of the mouths of children because our president lacked the courage to do what needed to be done. We handed a propaganda gold mine over to the enemies of this country because our own administration was terrified of the possibility of American body bags on the six o-clock news.
Finally, we failed to take Bin Laden when we had the chance, because the man who was supposed to be the Commander-in-Chief was acting more like an Arkansas district attorney.
So, yeah, I see 9/11 as America’s chickens coming home to roost. We brought it on ourselves by ignoring a dangerous enemy and by electing gutless presidents.
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
at the request of the Saudi Government. Bin Laden should have attacked their skyscrapers!!
si vis pacem para bellum
Liberalism = A bunch of ignorant tools, who think they are smarter and more moral than you, trying to steal your liberty and property.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
5! However, I'd change it to "trying to use your government to steal your liberty and property". That way you differentiate between a liberal and a relatively honest theif.
How about this one:
A man who steals your property with a gun is a criminal, a man who steals your property by promising to share his take with the electorate is a liberal.
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
shouldn't women have equal opportunity in regards to theft and liberalism? I'll bet Hillary does!!
omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina
I thought most people seek out friends who have views and values that mesh with their own. Why would you work with and hang around people who hold views you find personally insulting?
So far, what we know about Obama is, his pastor is a wacko and his associates hate the country they live in. I can't understand. Is it willfull blindness? Do his voters hate our country too? I certainly hope not because there are an awful lot of people voting for him.
Pride is a Fool's Fortress.
I could be cordial with a radical Lefty as long as we are careful not to talk about politics, But I could hardly be friendly with someone who's every idea I find abhorrent.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
...like "Peace is Patriotic" or "Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism", why not try the truth?
Come'on Lefties, I know you want to say it. It will be soul cleansing and refreshing to finally speak what's in your hearts . . . "Patriotism is hating your country more than you hate its enemies".
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"A Democrat is someone who hates terrorists almost as much as they hate President Bush."
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Obama doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence with Reagan, or with Patriotism, for that matter.