I think that I need to have the Netroots clarify something for me.
Not to interrupt their paeans of joy over the Obama win, of course.
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I'll wait.
(pause)
All right?
OK, explain something to me. Obama's the inevitable nominee, yes, yes, the GOP is doomed, yadda, yadda, the Democrats are going to take the White House, consolidate Congress, cut and run from Iraq, start war crimes trials against the Bush administration, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Oh, yes, by now we over here on the Right can sing along; you folks haven't been shy about blaring these - and one other - discordant tunes in our weary, weary ears. 2007 might have been a lowered-expectations disaster for your crowd, but with the new wave of Red-to-Blue (or whatever you're calling it) we should be on the brink of the Glorious People's Progressive Future. Why, we're even hearing about how Nancy Pelosi is going to stand up to the administration with the new war supplemental bill (H/t: Hot Air). All in all: this is supposed to be your time.
So why are you letting the Democratic leadership set you up?
Democrats Unveil War Supplemental Plans
House Democratic leaders outlined a war supplemental spending plan to their rank and file Tuesday that will give members a chance to vote separately on Iraq policy riders and various spending add-ons.
The bill, to be brought directly to the floor later this week, would set a Dec. 31, 2009, goal for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. It also would ban permanent U.S. bases in Iraq, limit interrogation techniques to those included in the current Army field manual, bar a status of forces agreement that would obligate the U.S. to defend Iraq without congressional approval, and require Iraq to match U.S. reconstruction funding dollar for dollar. And it would call for U.S. forces to pay the same fuel prices in Iraq as the Iraqis.
The bill will be divided into three sections — for war money, policy riders and domestic spending. That will permit House Democrats to vote for or against each section while still getting the measure through that chamber.
Read on.
This Politico article - "War funding would break Dem promises" (also H/T Hot Air) - is kind of fun in its implications:
This week’s maneuvering over a $200 billion war spending bill has revealed Pelosi self-confidently playing what she believes — with increasing evidence — is a strong hand.
Strong enough that she is expected to break one promise — her 2006 pledge for a more open and inclusive committee process — by circumventing the powerful House Appropriations Committee on the Iraq bill.
And when the final Iraq bill reaches the president’s desk, any troop withdrawal conditions are likely to be gone from the legislation. That is another 2006 pledge that has fallen by the wayside.
Pelosi’s calculation, say political analysts, seems clear. Democrats are using the Iraq bill as leverage for billions of dollars in domestic spending priorities. As for anti-war activists, they seem to accept the speaker’s logic: More than 40 previous Iraq votes have left Democrats maxed out in terms of legislative efforts to dictate an end to the war over a veto-wielding President Bush.
Let me translate that for you: Speaker Pelosi's contempt for her base couldn't be any more obvious if you painted it with red and white stripes. She knows that the netroots stopped caring about open government once it stopped being a campaign promise and started being an actual policy; and she knows - because they've proved it to her, time and time again - that progressives generate considerably more light than heat when it comes to ending the GWOT in Iraq. Hence the split: the Members of Congress who are pretending to be most outraged over the issue will be able to pretend to vote their consciences, it'll get tossed, and all that will be left is the lovely, lovely pork - which will hopefully get vetoed by the President, letting the Democrats go through the motions of trying to make political hay from it.
Speaking as a neoconservative, I am going to freely admit that I don't really care overmuch about whatever Kabuki theater needs to take place in order to fund both the troops and their presence in Iraq. But for the life of me, I can't understand why this doesn't grate on progressive souls. This mechanism is how they are going to continue funding the war, they are not being particularly quiet about how they are going to continue funding the war, and there's no indication that they are going to even be slowed down in continuing to fund the war. Which leads to two questions:
1). When will the antiwar movement actually start wielding the power that they supposedly hold?
and
2). If I hit them hard in the nose hard enough with a rolled-up newspaper, will they whimper and show me their belly, too?
Moe
PS: Forgot one other question.
3). Isn't it just completely unfair that I can still ask questions like this, a year-plus into a Democratic Congress?
[Addendum by Erick:] Just to be clear netrooties, when your favorite member of Congress votes on the rule to approve Nancy's plan, they *are voting for* this way to save face with you while betraying you. They figure you are too dumb to notice. Of course, so do we, which is why we wanted to point it out and rub your noses in it.
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And Bush immediately countered that he would veto any attempt to withdraw troops, and how dare Democrats play politics with soldiers' lives. If they don't get the material they need to wage the war the Dems will be solely responsible.
Now I would say that most of the Dem leadership is trying to figure out how to fund the war without it hurting them too much because they see it as a useful political issue. I hear their latest appropriations bill is going to fund the war well past November so they won't have to deal with it until after the elections.
Code Pink knows what's up. They are having an ongoing protest outside Pelosi's house here in San Francisco. There is a little band of women there everyday, with the usual puppets, bad masks, and all the rest of the "progressive" protest props. Code Pink "demands" that Miss Nancy not pass another war bill. They're not going to get their wish, I imagine. Oh well, there's always Cindy Sheehan.
is that the netroots are not so different from Pelosi; they are secretly thankful that however much they kick and scream and act out, there are still grownups in the White House to actually take responsibility for this stuff.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
As a member of the netroots (at least to the extent that I read Kos, and a bunch of other such websites), I can say that I am frustrated at this too. But the anti-war people are hardly the only group that has ever elected someone to office, only to see them not be as gung-ho for whatever cause as they'd hoped. I mean, here there are on occasion debates that start when someone complains that the people y'all put in office don't do enough for socially conservative causes...like what happened to the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage? And while people may disagree on that, I think everyone here agrees when it comes to spending. I am sure someone here could point to a few other examples, too.
And I know this is not entirely in their control, but still...I am totally perplexed about what happened with Planned Parenthood v Casey. I mean, shouldn't Roe have been overturned? Were not eight of the justices at that point appointed by Republicans?
As a side note, another group of people who did not get what they wanted was Connecticut Democrats/Independents who voted for Joe Lieberman. Daily Kos commissioned a poll conducted by Research 2000 asking people in CT, 1)who did you vote for in 2006? and 2)who would you vote for if the vote was held today?, and Ned Lamont won the rematch by a healthy margin.
Basically, the Democrats see no point in defunding the war since it's money in the bank for them. Besides, they don't have the votes to override a veto so they can't actually do anything proactive, and Bush has threatened to keep soldiers in Iraq regardless of whether he has authorization or money, so simply failing to fund the war doesn't accomplish too much either.
I think that Republicans didn't tackle abortion for the same reason - it's far easier to use it as a carrot to keep the base in line. They had a perfect opportunity from 2000-2002 to get some legislation passed to ban some of the most extreme practices (partial birth abortion) but instead there was nothing. Now when Democrats take control again they can point to abortion and say "Elect us, we'll stop abortion!"
Maybe I'm too cynical.
I love how you try to play it off as no big deal, but then feel the need to lash out in your final two paragraphs.
It stings. Point to Moe.
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The intention was not to lash out. I just bring up Casey because I just had a final in a class where we went over it at some point, so twas fresh on my mind - and is a good example of this going the other way.
I do think it is a big deal though. It is just not the first time anything like this has ever happened.
What should the Democrats have done? Stopped paying for materials for our soldiers? Sent bill after bill to be vetoed? Wasted everyone's time? All this laughing at a group that's continuing to play electoral hardball and has reds running scared won't win Republicans any seats come November.
I agree that they are currently playing politics, but when they get the votes necessary they will pass legislation. It just so happens that right now there are enough Democrats that aren't anti-war that this is not an option.
It's a shame we couldn't have done this war right, but I guess it's too late for that. It's starting to look like it's going to be our generation's Vietnam, unless things improve drastically between now and November. And this improvement is one of the few things that can save Republicans at the ballot box (an economic upturn would be nice too, but even that might not be enough).
Any talk of the war is really great for the progressives. Its been a little quiet on the MSM lately because of the recession and all, but the war is not exactly paying for itself or producing a stable region. And people aren't stupid, they understand that every antiwar bill will likely be vetoed or filibustered, but the progressives want them to push these bills anyways since progress might eventually be made if people can reach a compromise. If anything it keeps the issue around and makes people put a vote or action on the record that they will have to explain in the GE. People are not fooled by statements blaming congress for troop underfunding; rather, they understand the veto power and understand that the current balance of power will not last past January.
the General stupid and the winning...but yes lets talk about this war during the general because unlike the lunatic left the majority of Americans want to walk away a winner not leave as the losers the left is.
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As much as I'd like to think Americans will do whatever it takes to win (for any reasonable definition of win) I seriously doubt that's the case.
A majority oppose the war, a large majority oppose Bush's handling of the war, and a majority believe we should begin withdrawal.
Frankly, I'm not even sure what our options are at this point. It seems like our best bet would be to split the nation and deal with the fallout from Turkey for creating a Kurdish state. That sucks, though. We let things get too hot; what we should have done is go in with 400,000 troops (yes, that would have meant a draft) and stop things from ever getting to this point.
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