Getting just a little testy about West Virginia and Kentucky, are we?

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Those two particular states? Just not down with the narrative. You know, I'm reminded of a poem... one which it would seem that the progressive movement has finally decided to take to heart:

The Solution

After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

- Bertolt Brecht

Ironic, really: Appalachia has always been where the hard work's been. Coal, iron, steel... you can talk about the railroads, you can talk about the truckers and stevedores, you can talk about the textile mill workers and the garment makers; but this is where the labor movement - the real one, the true one, the one that existed before the 1960s mucked it up like everything else - built its spine. And if there really are two Americas, Appalachia's in the one that the progressives so often insist that they're worried about.

But I guess that we know how seriously to treat that pious assertion of theirs now, huh?

Moe Lane

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Hillary wins WV and KY by Charging Piper

Big wins there should put her vote total above Obama's. It could very well stay there until the Dem primary season wraps up on June 3. That gives her a solid argument (snicker) to be the nominee. I just hope she keeps referring to her ability to win "hard working Americans" -- translation: lower middle class whites... an insult not lost on African Americans and Hispanics.

Rock on, Hillary!

well I won't demean you gun owning, bible thumping white men.....read her yourself...you nuckle draggers :-)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/05/11/cokie-roberts-libe...

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Obama and Pat Robertson? by The Gadfly

A combination made in...

Obama's cool urban hipster schtick does not go over well with working people, especially women, nor does his effort to slick over the 20 year membership in the Hate Church.

They do have fonder memories of rougue Bill, who at least felt their pain, sort of anyway, and respect for Hillary's tenacity.

Will the MSM cover this angle? Puuhhhllleeeease!

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great point - nt by gamecock

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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

and I didn't know it until this weekend how big it is. I visited my parents (really my mom, of course this weekend) and the subject of the Democrat primary race came up. Here in Oregon we have mail-in voting and we have our ballots now for the May 20th primary. My mother is a DINO and hasn't voted D in a general election in 30 years, but yes, she is and has been a registered Democrat for a long time (though she's the one who got me listening to Rush 16 years ago). She's voting for Hillary in the primary. She doesn't like Barack Obama one bit.

She put it this way (paraphrasing of course). "Barack Obama reminds me of when I was working in the late 60s and early 70s. He's the new hire that was brought in, I'd train him and he'd get promoted. Him with his non-existent experience would get the raises and promotions while women who had put in their time, had paid their dues and were deserving got nothing." There was a personal righteous anger in her voice, something I haven't heard in many years.

I quite imagine that there are many women out there who back then had hit against the glass ceiling watching younger, less experienced men just jump right in ahead of them - I think Hillary's older women's voting demographic shows this, and this will not be something easily smoothed over in time for the general election. I don't want to paint a rosy picture as many of them still might come home to the Democrats, but there is something for McCain to exploit against Obama.

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As the yuppified degreed classes entrench themselves, they close off opportunities for those who may have a lot of savvy, smarts and energy, but never had the resources to stay in school for the BS, the law degree, the MBA, etc.

And they resent being talked down to in the Obamesque way.

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him for the greif he endures from Michelle. That is one mean witch. I feel for Bill too!

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Bill can feel for himself by Dan McLaughlin

He's the expert. He made his bed...aw, it's just too easy to go there.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill


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Marrying Michelle was a business decision for him. I wouldn't evaluate it any other manner.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

From the same article:

People have notions of what a wife’s role should be in this process, and it’s been a traditional one of blind adoration. My model is a little different think most real marriages are.”Emphasis mine

Vile is likely too light a characterization of this woman; one where even Theresa Heinz-Kerry even is a more likable woman.

But I loved comment 27 from the page:
"With a spouse like her, who needs to get married?"

Men on the political A train of Chicago politics, thats who.

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Not just women; by Achance

trained a few AA hires myself. That pretty much undid all that liberalism college tried to instill in me.

In Vino Veritas

Novelty by sinz52

I quite imagine that there are many women out there who back then had hit against the glass ceiling watching younger, less experienced men just jump right in ahead of them....there is something for McCain to exploit against Obama.

The problem is that the GOP has never appealed much to this cohort (career women, many of them single) before. In fact, the social conservatives in the GOP have been more sympathetic to stay-at-home-moms than to career women.

One of the reasons is that career women tend to be feminists. Their ability to pursue long-term careers has been aided by the availability of modern birth control and abortion services, which have reduced unwanted pregnancies. And by the feminist movement, which campaigned to open up new careers for women in fields that were formerly dominated by men.

The Democrats, covering all bets, just introduced a bill in Congress calling for pay equity between the genders, another long-standing feminist goal. It was political, of course, just so they could get McCain (along with the rest of the GOP) to vote against it, which he did. Now he would have to campaign for the votes of career women after having just shot down pay equity for them with the Democrats supportive of it. Good luck with that.

Logic vs Emotion by Joliphant

Obama while likeable to some is incredibly hateable to those that have been around the block.

For many he will be the avatar of someone they have known and hate greatly.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

5 by blooch

I don't know if you speak from personal experience or you're just a keen observer of the human animal, but you're dead on here.

In the movie "Nine to Five", Lily Tomlin's character loses a promotion to a less qualified man that she trained, because her boss (played by Dabney Coleman) is a sexist. Anyway, I think that a lot of older women are going to see Obama (a smooth talking unqualified man) taking a job away from a more qualified hard-working woman (Clinton).

Also in the GE, look for what I call the "Tina Fey effect". Last year on an episode of the TV show "Thirty Rock", Tina Fey's character (named Liz Lemon) says that, "I tell my friends that will vote for Barack Obama, but I'll probably vote for John McCain". In other words, she wants people to think that she's "cool" and "hip", so she tells them that she'll vote for Obama, but she really worries about things like national security and experience, so in the privacy of the voting booth, she pulls the lever for McCain.

Anyway, if Obama polls well against McCain but ends up losing the election, the media will blame it on the "Bradley Effect", but I think it will really be more of a combination of the "Nine to Five Effect" and the "Tina Fey Effect".

Hillary will win both KY and WV but Obama will win Oregon and thus Hillary gets no mojo

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson...

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

And we all know (h/t Jeff) that white folks that don;t vote Obama are racist.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1f86-11dd-9216-000077b07658,s01=1.htm...

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Another thing by Zombie Flanders

If slate's delegate calculator is to be believed, Obama will clinch the pledged delegate lead on May 20 with Kentucky and Oregon. Thus all of the superdelegates who said that they would support the pledged delegate leader (as I think there have been a significant number who have said that), they will basically be locked in and might all come out for Obama at that point - for example Nancy Pelosi.

I would expect the pledged delegate lead clinching thing to be the big story on Kentucky-Oregon night.

blow out in both states could cause some s-d's to go neutral, and in any event, no s-d is locked in until the roll call at the convention.

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Either deal with the point of the [post], or skip it entirely.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

That the popular vote is actually important while the Obama camp shouts the Rules are the Rules.*

*Yeah as if the Democrats worry about rules. I swear their model concerning political agreements must have been Adolf Hitler.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Isn't there a percentage of the vote (60%?) where the proportion of the delegates recieved by the winner increases? If Hillary wins West Virginia by 30 or 40 points would that make it a bigger win for her than some of the previous close contests?

It gets a little gritty when they have to divvy up delegates without using fractions, but by and large, if a candidate gets at least 15% then he's walking away with some delegates.

This is one of the roughly seventy million things that the Democrats will need to change about their primary system. :)

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

and they're not going to take it anymore....Riiight.

They're just going to screw it up even worse and blame it on us in four years.

Yes. by Mose

The rules vary by state. Usually, a state is divided up into districts (often, congressional districts) and there are a certain number of delegates up for grabs in each district (let's say it's five). Basically, the winner will get 3 delegates out of that district, whether the winner's percentage was 51% all the way up to 60%. But at 60%+ (i.e., greater than 3/5), the winner gets that fouth delegate, which is where you really start to change the score (3-2 = +1, but 4-1 = +3). That % you have to hit to get an extra delegate will vary depending on how many delegates are available in each district.

WV by Zombie Flanders

I think that'll happen, but it is also par for the course for the media when it comes to small states where everyone knows who will win ahead of time. For example, Wyoming, Mississippi, Maine, Vermont (a little different because also was overshadowed by TX/OH), etc. It will be the front page of CNN for a few hours, that's about it.

Bertolt Brecht? by swamp_yankee

That reminded you of an obscure poem by Bertolt Brecht?

"After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union..."

Wha-What?

I must be a simple country boy, your diary reminded me of "Country Roads" by John Denver.

Almost heaven, west virginia
Blue ridge mountains, shenandoah river
Life is old there, older than the trees
Younger than the mountains, blowing like a breeze

Country roads, take me home
To the place, I be-long
West virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads


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