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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some of those other States are like MI where just a handful of Counties vote in such huge Liberal numbers as to over-ride the will of the rest of their State and force/impose Federal  (and often Governor) Liberalism... Michigan has been that way for the last decade or so.... I briefly go over that in &lt;a href="http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2009/03/31/exportingexpanding-blue-ism-shaping-elections-to-come/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Exporting/Expanding BLUE-ism&lt;/a&gt;.... Unfortunately the whole State, and now by extension of their pathetic inability to learn the rest of the country, has to suffer because of them. I guess Democrats/Liberals want the entire country to turn into the Deterioration Capital of the World: Detroit (new moniker, the NoMoTown).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of those other States are like MI where just a handful of Counties vote in such huge Liberal numbers as to over-ride the will of the rest of their State and force/impose Federal  (and often Governor) Liberalism&#8230; Michigan has been that way for the last decade or so&#8230;. I briefly go over that in <a href="http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2009/03/31/exportingexpanding-blue-ism-shaping-elections-to-come/" rel="nofollow">Exporting/Expanding BLUE-ism</a>&#8230;. Unfortunately the whole State, and now by extension of their pathetic inability to learn the rest of the country, has to suffer because of them. I guess Democrats/Liberals want the entire country to turn into the Deterioration Capital of the World: Detroit (new moniker, the NoMoTown).</p>
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		<title>By: garbear</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who did Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Minnesota--those "great" states of the Midwest--vote to send to the White House?  Are the majority of their senators liberal or conservative?  Are the majority of their Congressmen liberal or conservative? If folks in the Midwest get hammered with cap and trade so what?  THEY VOTED FOR IT!  Serves 'em right.  I say let them find out that votes have consequences</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who did Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Minnesota&#8211;those &#8220;great&#8221; states of the Midwest&#8211;vote to send to the White House?  Are the majority of their senators liberal or conservative?  Are the majority of their Congressmen liberal or conservative? If folks in the Midwest get hammered with cap and trade so what?  THEY VOTED FOR IT!  Serves &#8216;em right.  I say let them find out that votes have consequences</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO SOMETHING! I am sick of seeing these platitudes.  People like us sit around here daily and we hear zero from the Republicans, and wall to wall Zer0bama.  It seems like it is the people here at Redstate and Fox news are the only people getting the message out.  

The Democrats seem to have no problem being heard during the Bush years, SPEAK LOUDLY and CARRY A BIG STICK from now on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DO SOMETHING! I am sick of seeing these platitudes.  People like us sit around here daily and we hear zero from the Republicans, and wall to wall Zer0bama.  It seems like it is the people here at Redstate and Fox news are the only people getting the message out.  </p>
<p>The Democrats seem to have no problem being heard during the Bush years, SPEAK LOUDLY and CARRY A BIG STICK from now on!</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is THE ISSUE that will KILL the bluedogs....DO IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is THE ISSUE that will KILL the bluedogs&#8230;.DO IT!</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh</description>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are all kinds of socail/educational type stuff they do, same idea!!! They make up problems and stuff, you so hit the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are all kinds of socail/educational type stuff they do, same idea!!! They make up problems and stuff, you so hit the nail on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like the Dems did the whole last 4 of Bush's years BUT NO they don't have the guts to FORCE the media to give them equal time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like the Dems did the whole last 4 of Bush&#8217;s years BUT NO they don&#8217;t have the guts to FORCE the media to give them equal time!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hibbert</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hibbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure what other tools you have at your disposal, but please use ALL of them to stop this.

The hearings, if publicized enough should help get the public behind you, but I fear that isn't enough to stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what other tools you have at your disposal, but please use ALL of them to stop this.</p>
<p>The hearings, if publicized enough should help get the public behind you, but I fear that isn&#8217;t enough to stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaNo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>ObamaNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of the American people being treated as crash test dummies and animals used for drug testing by the democrats.  

Has anyone else noticed that the democrats seem to come up with all these pie-in-the-sky ideas to solve problems that aren't really problems at all?  Then, when they try to implement them, they cause even MORE problems which the same idiots try to correct but are totally incapable of doing.  Yet, they don't suffer - the American people do.  The things this administration is trying to do in such a short period of time will lead to permanent financial damage to people - just for some great experiment.

Cap and trade, global warming, housing bailouts, bank bailouts, non-tax paying cabinet members, and a president who appears to be a whole lot better at spending other people's money than his own is a disgrace.  

My husband and I have worked hard and lived responsibly to take care of ourselves and save for our futures.  All of that is at risk because of politicians, and yes, mostly democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of the American people being treated as crash test dummies and animals used for drug testing by the democrats.  </p>
<p>Has anyone else noticed that the democrats seem to come up with all these pie-in-the-sky ideas to solve problems that aren&#8217;t really problems at all?  Then, when they try to implement them, they cause even MORE problems which the same idiots try to correct but are totally incapable of doing.  Yet, they don&#8217;t suffer - the American people do.  The things this administration is trying to do in such a short period of time will lead to permanent financial damage to people - just for some great experiment.</p>
<p>Cap and trade, global warming, housing bailouts, bank bailouts, non-tax paying cabinet members, and a president who appears to be a whole lot better at spending other people&#8217;s money than his own is a disgrace.  </p>
<p>My husband and I have worked hard and lived responsibly to take care of ourselves and save for our futures.  All of that is at risk because of politicians, and yes, mostly democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, isn't that the idea? All us poor and middle class folks are ready to spend our tax cuts. Am I missing something? (heh heh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, isn&#8217;t that the idea? All us poor and middle class folks are ready to spend our tax cuts. Am I missing something? (heh heh)</p>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to remove the controls on drilling, open up ANWR, open up the OCS, short circuit environmental nuisance lawsuits, open up Yucca Mountain, restart the nuclear construction process, open up the oil shale fields in the Dakotas and Montana, develop low pollution coal technologies, and debunk the anthropogenic global warming lies. &lt;u&gt;What hearings are necessary, other than hearings that definitively hang each and every one of these obstacles to Real Energy Independence around the necks of the Democrat Party like the ball and chain it should be?&lt;/u&gt;

You're being too nice to them. They have declared war on Republicans. It's time for Republicans to fight back, not to hold hearings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to remove the controls on drilling, open up ANWR, open up the OCS, short circuit environmental nuisance lawsuits, open up Yucca Mountain, restart the nuclear construction process, open up the oil shale fields in the Dakotas and Montana, develop low pollution coal technologies, and debunk the anthropogenic global warming lies. <u>What hearings are necessary, other than hearings that definitively hang each and every one of these obstacles to Real Energy Independence around the necks of the Democrat Party like the ball and chain it should be?</u></p>
<p>You&#8217;re being too nice to them. They have declared war on Republicans. It&#8217;s time for Republicans to fight back, not to hold hearings.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With that said...Hearings??  Really??  That is what you are going to do.

Let me ask you this...if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it...does it make a sound?

The liberals will not be swayed by logic Sir...that is very clear.  The only thing that will change these peoples minds is the belief that it will cost them their seat.  The way to make that happen is to attack and expose these idiots on their own turf...in the MSM...we here at RedState get it...we have been talking about the Cap and Trade bull for over 2 years.

What we need is some Lee Atwaters to tear these idiots a new...well you get the picture I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With that said&#8230;Hearings??  Really??  That is what you are going to do.</p>
<p>Let me ask you this&#8230;if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it&#8230;does it make a sound?</p>
<p>The liberals will not be swayed by logic Sir&#8230;that is very clear.  The only thing that will change these peoples minds is the belief that it will cost them their seat.  The way to make that happen is to attack and expose these idiots on their own turf&#8230;in the MSM&#8230;we here at RedState get it&#8230;we have been talking about the Cap and Trade bull for over 2 years.</p>
<p>What we need is some Lee Atwaters to tear these idiots a new&#8230;well you get the picture I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our side must run TV spots to get the message out....

Even try to run them on CNN and NBC - who knows they might need the money. 

It won't just effect Americans - this will have a ripple impact in the rest of the world. $3000 to a family is alot of money. Money that won't be used to buy foreign goods. Money that won't be spent on a family vacation overseas. 

Crap &#38; Trade does NOT work:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=14411

EUROPE'S "CAP AND TRADE" PROBLEMS

As U.S. lawmakers work on the details of "cap and trade" carbon dioxide legislation, they need to know what Europeans already know: When trying to slow down global warming, beware of unintended consequences, says Steven Mufson in the Washington Post.

Consider Kollo Holding's (a silicon carbide maker) factory in the Netherlands:

Managers at the factory say their plant as an ecological standout: They use waste gases to generate energy and have installed the latest pollution-control equipment.

But Europe's emissions program has driven electricity prices so high that the facility routinely shuts down for part of the day to save money on power, which, contrary to environmental goals, reduces energy efficiency.

Although demand for its products is strong, the plant has laid off 40 of its 130 employees and trimmed production.

Two customers have turned to cheaper imports from China, which is not covered by Europe's costly regulations.
They aren't the only ones suffering, says Mufson.  French cement workers fear they're going to lose jobs to Morocco, which doesn't have to meet the European guidelines; and German homeowners pay 25 percent more for electricity than they did before the caps.

Making matters worse, the rationing hasn't proved successful, says Mufson:

Because of lobbying by well-connected companies, the EU's limits on emissions ended up being higher than the actual emissions.
As a result, fewer companies than expected had to buy emissions this year, and the price of carbon allowances, which had topped $30 per ton of carbon about a year ago, crashed to about $1 a ton.

Germany boasts that it has cut emissions to 18.4 percent below 1990 levels, but nearly half the reduction was because of sagging industrial output in the former East Germany after reunification.
For the 2008-2012 period, European Union officials sliced 5 percent off Germany's emissions proposal.

Source: Steven Mufson, "Europe's Problems Color U.S. Plans to Curb Carbon Gases," Washington Post, April 9, 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our side must run TV spots to get the message out&#8230;.</p>
<p>Even try to run them on CNN and NBC - who knows they might need the money. </p>
<p>It won&#8217;t just effect Americans - this will have a ripple impact in the rest of the world. $3000 to a family is alot of money. Money that won&#8217;t be used to buy foreign goods. Money that won&#8217;t be spent on a family vacation overseas. </p>
<p>Crap &amp; Trade does NOT work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=14411">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=14411</a></p>
<p>EUROPE&#8217;S &#8220;CAP AND TRADE&#8221; PROBLEMS</p>
<p>As U.S. lawmakers work on the details of &#8220;cap and trade&#8221; carbon dioxide legislation, they need to know what Europeans already know: When trying to slow down global warming, beware of unintended consequences, says Steven Mufson in the Washington Post.</p>
<p>Consider Kollo Holding&#8217;s (a silicon carbide maker) factory in the Netherlands:</p>
<p>Managers at the factory say their plant as an ecological standout: They use waste gases to generate energy and have installed the latest pollution-control equipment.</p>
<p>But Europe&#8217;s emissions program has driven electricity prices so high that the facility routinely shuts down for part of the day to save money on power, which, contrary to environmental goals, reduces energy efficiency.</p>
<p>Although demand for its products is strong, the plant has laid off 40 of its 130 employees and trimmed production.</p>
<p>Two customers have turned to cheaper imports from China, which is not covered by Europe&#8217;s costly regulations.<br />
They aren&#8217;t the only ones suffering, says Mufson.  French cement workers fear they&#8217;re going to lose jobs to Morocco, which doesn&#8217;t have to meet the European guidelines; and German homeowners pay 25 percent more for electricity than they did before the caps.</p>
<p>Making matters worse, the rationing hasn&#8217;t proved successful, says Mufson:</p>
<p>Because of lobbying by well-connected companies, the EU&#8217;s limits on emissions ended up being higher than the actual emissions.<br />
As a result, fewer companies than expected had to buy emissions this year, and the price of carbon allowances, which had topped $30 per ton of carbon about a year ago, crashed to about $1 a ton.</p>
<p>Germany boasts that it has cut emissions to 18.4 percent below 1990 levels, but nearly half the reduction was because of sagging industrial output in the former East Germany after reunification.<br />
For the 2008-2012 period, European Union officials sliced 5 percent off Germany&#8217;s emissions proposal.</p>
<p>Source: Steven Mufson, &#8220;Europe&#8217;s Problems Color U.S. Plans to Curb Carbon Gases,&#8221; Washington Post, April 9, 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: bobojake</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obama you are so full of elcrapo with your incompetence. ask a farmer or any body in history that had to depend on windmills for their water(many towns did) and you want us to depends on windmills and solar on 100 degrees day. 
are you obama going in the casket business???????

We need to build nuclear palnts
because obamas-peloski-reid craps and shove foney fraud carbon tax will
double the cost of food,
double the cost of electricity,
double the cost of gasoline,
double the cost of home heating fuels,
double the cost of consumers goods,
the democrats don't seem to understand just because you don't call it a tax, if the hard working middle class taxpayers have to use their disposble income to pay for increased living costs it a gd tax.
dump the democrats today .
We CAN NOT AFFORD OBAMAS CRAPS AND SHOVE FONEY FRAUD CARBON TAX. PERIOD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obama you are so full of elcrapo with your incompetence. ask a farmer or any body in history that had to depend on windmills for their water(many towns did) and you want us to depends on windmills and solar on 100 degrees day.<br />
are you obama going in the casket business???????</p>
<p>We need to build nuclear palnts<br />
because obamas-peloski-reid craps and shove foney fraud carbon tax will<br />
double the cost of food,<br />
double the cost of electricity,<br />
double the cost of gasoline,<br />
double the cost of home heating fuels,<br />
double the cost of consumers goods,<br />
the democrats don&#8217;t seem to understand just because you don&#8217;t call it a tax, if the hard working middle class taxpayers have to use their disposble income to pay for increased living costs it a gd tax.<br />
dump the democrats today .<br />
We CAN NOT AFFORD OBAMAS CRAPS AND SHOVE FONEY FRAUD CARBON TAX. PERIOD</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/congressman_mike_pence/2009/04/23/a-declaration-of-war/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democratic majority will go ahead and legislate cap and trade, anyway.

Sorry, sir, but it's time to take the gloves off. Stop playing the game by their rules since you nor we had any input in the writing of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratic majority will go ahead and legislate cap and trade, anyway.</p>
<p>Sorry, sir, but it&#8217;s time to take the gloves off. Stop playing the game by their rules since you nor we had any input in the writing of them.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's bad for America but how do you get the message out to kill the cap and trade bill?  BTW thanks for being a great Republican...they are far and few between!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s bad for America but how do you get the message out to kill the cap and trade bill?  BTW thanks for being a great Republican&#8230;they are far and few between!</p>
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